The Ezra Klein Show
George Saunders on Anger, Ambition and Sin
Feb 10, 2026
· 1h 27m
<p>George Saunders is tired of being the “kindness guy.”</p><p>Saunders is one of my favorite fiction writers, and a friend of the pod; I talked to him back in 2021 and 2022. He also has a reputation as a kind of guru of kindness, thanks to a viral commencement speech he gave back in 2013. We talked about kindness on the show before.</p><p>But with the publication of his new novel, “Vigil,” I noticed that something about Saunders seemed to have shifted. …
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