Grabación (3)

0:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Well, if you think, let's continue where we left before the rest. We had talked about the objective 5 and then the objective 1 and 4, as one of the ones that could be priority.

0:20

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

So, if you think... I mean, I'm saying objective 1 and objective 4, because they are the ones that have been said in the area. So, if you think, do we start by prioritizing some of the two objectives? No, but I'm not saying that we change the plan. I mean, the plan is 2025-2027 and they are the objective 1 and the 5.

0:40

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I mean, that is what we have to maintain because it is what we live. I said that the objective 4 is to have it in account in the areas to facilitate the completion of the objective 5. That is to accompany both the responsible and the militants, doing training, working with them the materials. But as such, the plan...

1:09

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

It's from 2025 to 2027, and the objectives 1 and 5 were decided. I don't think we have to touch that, just to see how to answer the objective 1. I don't understand it. The objectives for 2025 and 2027 are...

1:32

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

which we prioritize each year. I don't want to say that it's the opposite. I mean, that's the plan of economy that we have. For the 25th or the 27th? You're right. So, it's true that we wouldn't have to lose any attention, but in which we're going to put more strength?

1:57

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

this year. Thank you for correcting me, because I have lost it. That's right. What they had said in the area was that, the objective 1, which they had said 3 zones, and the objective 4, which they had also said 3 zones, in order to prioritize some of those two objectives. So, if you think first...

2:16

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

we can decide if we prioritize the two objectives, or if we prioritize only one, and then once we decide which objective, we can see which means within that objective.

2:41

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

The objective 5 is to send in December a summary that has more photos than text from the state.

2:50

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

that is ampliable for each zone, so that each zone can expand with things that he wants to mention about his zone in particular, and each zone is the one that is the one that is responsible for sending to those collaborators this card. It is to say, that it is not from the Estatal, but from the Estatal Committee, it is the one that will send this card to those collaborators and collaborators of their zone in December.

3:13

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Okay, so you do a first plan with the things of the total, with the most, for example, this year it will be the Thomas Youth, and we put photos of our camp and things like that. Okay, okay, and we send them to them. And there was also another thing about the rest of the meetings. Yes, and that is also part of the area, so that each area also sees in what extent it can be...

3:41

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

the meeting of anti-bomb militants that we have said, so that it is either once a year, or once every two years, or what each area can assume and want to assume. Knowing that it is one of the means that has been proposed for that. But that is dynamic from the area.

4:06

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Aragón, yes, who also named the 2.3, just to recall. He named now to review the goal of the 4th and the 1th, but there is also the 2th, just to have in mind. Perfect. Good contribution. So, with this, there are in the air areas that are not present here. Asturias, Extremadura and others. Those people, if you want to see the SG with them.

4:41

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Yes, because those areas do not have militant representation now, I would send them. The final summary that I would prepare for you to increase each area.

5:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and to that area we charge and we send from the SG and if we pass, only the total resumption, because in its area there is no prepared for the American Ocean. Thank you for the clarification, so that's perfect. As we said, at the beginning we had the objective 1 and the objective 4, which were there.

5:28

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

In doubt, I mean that they had the same priorities for the area. So that's it, decide in which of the two, or if we want to assume the two as priority objectives within this course. Which one we'll talk about first? It's a little different.

5:54

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

between the one and the four objectives that are the of the oration and the formation no the objective one is to share and share the dimension etica and evangélica of the economy and the objective four is the acompañamiento the economy of the movement so I don't know if you prefer to focus on the three if we focus on the two

6:27

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

of the two, I don't know, the way to proceed is that it is comunitarian. Let's start with the first one, if you think. First we talk about the objectives, then the media we've already conquered, because we decided only to focus on one objective, and not on the two, and it doesn't have so much sense in the media. So, objective one, fomentar and compartir the ethical and evangelical dimension of the movement, which, by the way, says evangelical.

7:11

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and if you want, read the objective 4 and see which of the two we give more priority, although maybe we give more priority. What do you think? Read the medium. Object 1, medium 1, elaborating a program for zonas in the semester focused on the economy, so that it is shared and worked in the life teams.

7:32

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Medio 1.2. Asegurando un espacio de calidad que se centre en la realidad de la economía de la zona y estatal, por ejemplo, asambleas, formaciones, retiros, convivencias, campamentos, etc. Medio 1.3. Apoyándonos en materiales existentes como TRD, tiempo, recursos, dinero y en futuros materiales, manual de buenas prácticas y otros materiales que nos puedan surgir que decidamos hacer.

8:14

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

more continuity, in plan, eh, recordatory to say, oye, play Andalusia, eh, the new life. Well, I also want to remember that the last calendar that was put, is to directly say that we have to deliver, well, to give it throughout the year, so that we have to be balanced, not to say, venga, it's that in November we're going to deliver the four of the tirade. More or less it was a order, because it was orientative. But...

8:45

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I don't think we can do it because a lot of times this task is forgotten, or in the area there is a lot of work, but they don't have to share it. I don't know if someone is there, or it's a little bit of a record, but I don't know. At the end I think it's just for forgotten, not for that. In terms of the medium 1.2, which is the state level.

9:17

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Well, on the Estatal Plan of Economy, I don't know if that is more oriented, directed to the areas that then do it individually, or that in the Estatal, we reserve a quality space, like this coordinator. I don't know if it's redundant, but in the moment that we put it, it looks like a panacea, but now it seems to me that it doesn't make sense. I think, from what I understand of this medium,

9:46

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I think it's more focused on that in each zone, or maybe not in each zone, but in one that is prioritized, the economic reality of the zone.

10:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Y la realidad económica de la estatal, pero en las asambleas de zonas. Porque aquí, en esta coordinadora, entiendo que ya se comparte, porque para eso está esta coordinadora. Creo que sería redundante que tengamos otro espacio más a nivel estatal. Creo que va por ahí el medio, pero no tengo ni idea. Sí, sí, puede ser. Lo que pasa es que estaba ahí un poco rayado en mi debate. Gracias. Porque además, no me ha generado asamblea. O sea, asamblea a nivel estatal no hay. Es coordinadora. Ya, ya.

10:34

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

So I understand that these are moments of zone that are shared both in the economic reality of the zone and in the economic reality of the state.

10:48

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

In Aragón, in October, did it. Yes, but in Aragón, in every assembly, one of the committee shows the situation of its responsibility. In our case, the task force always does it in the assembly at the beginning of the course.

11:10

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

In the beginning of the course I told you about how we were in the situation at the level of accounts, where the money had been a little bit, at the level of the estatal... I don't know if that's what we do in general or is something we do in Aragon. I think that's what this media is referring to. In Andalusia, we share a little bit of the result of the meeting in an estimated meeting. And then with the coordinators of the Zona, we also have a bit of actualization of how are the accounts at the level of the estatal.

11:59

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

4 4 4 4 4

12:19

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I think that the transfer of information from the state to the state and the state, and above all, to the militants. That seems fundamental to me. I don't know if it came out before, I read it in the material, but the fact that you have a coordinator for the whole weekend, but what you said was...

12:47

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

from a month to a month to be able to have a online meeting, I think it could help. In what you were talking about, the state zone, and then to see how the militants are. Read the 4th. Objective 4. Cuidar and acompañar the economy of the movement.

13:24

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Medio 4.1. Creando una relación de acompañamiento bilateral entre los responsables SG, tesoreros de equipo, personas atentas a subvenciones, etc. Medio 4.2. Analizando y acompañando la situación de las militantes, la coherencia de su cotización y la vivencia de su economía. Medio 4.3. Transmitiendo las decisiones del movimiento en las coordinadoras de economía y comunidad, comisión de estructura y finanzas, etc. Medio 4.4. Fomentando momentos informales con las militantes de la diócesis y zona.

13:57

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I think that the Medio 4.1 is adjusted to what we are talking about, the possibility of making a monthly meeting, sharing things, those that we have to have present to be forgotten, subvenciones, to know about new things, I think that corresponds to the 4.1 and I would enfatize it.

14:26

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

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15:08

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I understand that by what we have talked about, and if not I understand correctly, we are going to give priority to the objective 1, to the middle 1.1 and to the middle 1.2, which are...

15:27

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Object 1. Fomentar y compartir la dimensión ética y evangélica de la economía. Medio 1.1. Elabrando una oración por zonas al trimestre enfocada a la economía para que sea compartida y trabajada en el equipo de vida. Y medio 1.2. Asegurando un espacio de calidad que se centra en la realidad de economía de la zona y estatal. Por ejemplo, asamblea formaciones, retiros, convivencias y demás. No sé. O sea, me refiero. No se ha hecho hasta ahora. ¿Lo vemos necesario?

16:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

That's the question. Do you need this? Yes or no? Let's start with that.

16:29

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

of what reform we can do so that we can do it. Because if we leave it like this, it's not the object to modify the plan, but to put a tool to ensure that this is going to be done.

16:46

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

It's a record of the meeting that we've said before. I also see what he said before, that this part of sharing the value of what is the economy and the tesoreries is complementing with the 4. So, maybe the medium 1.1 of here, with the medium 4, we have that part more complementary. That was with the 4.1.1, I think, right? Yes. From my perspective now.

17:23

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

The middle 1.1 with the middle 4.1. Well, if you think... That of all ways, that the 1 is priority, does not mean that there is no need to do it. Of course. So, in first place, which of the two objectives we want to prioritize, to put our strength in that 1 or 4?

17:56

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and then, after that, see how we can answer this 1-1-1, which we are not doing, but that maybe it happens to me, I don't know. If one part of what we're talking about is the 4, which is that acompañamiento bilateral, the acompañamiento of the responsible and so on, maybe it's more necessary to see that.

18:24

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and in those meetings, see how we accompany this medium 1. I don't know. Maybe I'm going to put my foot or whatever. So what we're going to say is that the objective 4 is more priority than this, although this one we also have in that trimestral meeting. I don't know. I mean, that's the main contribution. What I want you to express is what needs...

19:04

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

What do you think about the reality of your zone and the movement? Do you think there is an emphasis on foment and compartir the ethically and evangelical dimension of the economy or in the other? In the acompañement.

19:38

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

we put what the most sense has, although the rest of the things we have to keep working together of another way. That's what I'm referring to, which sometimes I express very badly.

20:05

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

The committee is doing a lot of things in the area. I think that the support is fundamental. I have asked for their support, because the people are looking for it.

20:19

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So, the one that makes reference, well, I think that we have done a work during the last year and the last year, of what we all are aware of. I think that all of us are aware of the situation of emergency, and it is something that is resonating constantly. So, I don't see it as prioritizing a elaboration to see the living equipment.

20:48

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and remember that this dimension is over there, and yes, the accompaniment, more even given the circumstances in which we are. And even so, I think that Manu has to think about how to do the 1.1, that we also dedicate our quality here, so that it doesn't happen to be the same as the last time. ¿Alguien más aporta? ¿Qué es más prioritario o que necesita aflogramar en la zona actualmente?

21:29

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Canarias, well, I have the 4.1, and I think that if we do the 4.1, which is creating the Acompañamiento Bilateral relationship, with the meetings that I proposed, if they come to the end, I think that everything will be done. Like Aurora said, with the reminders that you can do, the 1.1 will come out. And that's all, with that Acompañamiento, the things will come out. Like, maybe you can share new auto-financiation, because that was in the 5th.

21:57

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I think we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure that we can make sure

22:32

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Before we approve a trimestral meeting, we should also talk about calendars. Here we are all very beautiful, a trimestral meeting and so on. Then we eat the rhythm of life, the life of Bajona is already quite complicated. So, maybe instead of... It was proposed to be a trimestral meeting, but we also have to talk about... Maybe it doesn't have to be a trimestral, but...

22:56

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

this coordinator of economics, which also share this kind of stuff, and another meeting, and having a semester or a quarter-mestral meeting, but to adapt a little bit to the life of the area, and above all, to your life a little more, because I'm dedicated to this, so I'm going to have more time and time of time than you, who at the end are with me.

23:24

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

with all your life, your work, your life in the areas that are also quite high, so maybe we have to establish that periodicity, I don't know how to say exactly, has this reunion, and if it can be to calendarize, at least for this course, I think it would be good that the Coordinator of Economy of February calendaricemos the of all that year

23:55

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

and then in the next coordinator of the economy, we will go back and in the next coordinator of the economy, if we decide to keep this environment.

24:18

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It's a good time to read the points of the zone. Yes, it's the point 6, with the budget. I... 7. I mean, in the emergency situation, in the 7th. Ah, yes, it's true, in the 7th. And then in the 7th, evidently, if I don't know... Al budget only we can't afford Canarias and Madrid. Ah, that's right. That's right, that's right.

24:46

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Well, if you like, we share the reality of the point 7, only what competes with what we are talking about the meeting trimestral, not the rest of the media that we will talk about.

25:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Hablemos del punto 7. Creo que la única aportación en concreto a esa pregunta la tiene Madrid, en el guión. Nosotros también. Sí. Último párrafo.

25:29

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Andalucía.

25:40

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

7 si pero sólo la última pregunta el de si veis bien la propuesta de vernos una vez al trimestre para hacer este seguimiento

26:03

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Andalucía.

26:17

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

not so much once a month, but one in June and the other in October. But yes, three times between three times. But yes, I see it well. So it would be a coordinator and two more during the course. Yes, but one. That's precisely what we're talking about here. I think two can be invented.

26:46

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Would you invite them to the tesoro gringo? Could be one of the things to think about, or not. It depends on what we decide. Some open and others don't. It depends on what we decide. It's a way to take place the objective 4. It's the accompaniment. Otherwise, if we meet them, we meet them and then we meet them with them. It's informal. That's perfect. It's open.

27:17

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I mean, what we think is going well. And since we are also close to several traslados, the of Jose is this year or the coming? The of Jose is this year, and the of me is in February of the year. So it can help, at least to me, it can help me a lot, because it is also something that I was running around in my house, it can help that some militant can be animated. Perfect. Well, I think that this question had been said Andalucía and Aragón.

27:47

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Canarias, yes. Trimestralmente lo veíamos bien, cuatrimestralmente lo que pueda. Comunitat valenciana. Nosotros no lo veíamos. No veíamos sentido juntarnos tres veces al año solamente para una cosa tan concreta como esa. Lo veía un poco... El caso es que ahora que estamos hablando de que vamos a trabajar más cosas, de que vamos a ver y poner más puntos en común...

28:18

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

We see that it has something more of a sense. The first one is... I think, as in times as the coordinator general has been expanded, I think there is a way to...

28:44

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

The objective 4 is to be able to participate team members in these coordinators, to be expanded for the initiative, to be expanded for the economy, because I think it is positive and also helps to have a different life of the economy, that it is not only seen as numbers. We are expressing here that there are many difficulties for the economy.

29:12

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Well, I think that not only are numbers, but there are many more things. I don't know, we're talking about care of the people who have a collaborator. We're talking about care of the responsible team, the responsible team. I don't know, there are many more things that are difficult to plan on in the zone, so if they participate here, I think it would be positive.

29:37

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Now, that's the first stone. If we go together two or three times, I would say two, and the situation is so urgent, why not...

30:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

we come to two coordinators a year. I don't know. I mean, we're talking about a deficit of 40.000 euros and we'll see each other once a year. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's something that I could talk about. I mean, I don't know. If someone wants to talk about it, I see it well. But that...

30:33

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

As well as the General Coordinator, it means that we can meet three times a year. Maybe it also means that we can meet, or not, I don't know. Vaya dos piedras, eh? I see it completely true. The fact that if the General Coordinator is doing three, I think that the economy has. When I knew that there was one in the year, I thought, well, that little.

31:12

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

But at the same time, I also feel that at a personal level in the life of each other, it costs me a lot to have a weekend to come. So maybe that same follow-up can be carried out by two reunions, even if they can organize. But well, simply that. I, thinking about the conciliation with the life beyond the HOC,

31:42

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Siento que a mí personalmente me serviría más para tenerlo más presente el reunirnos dos veces y recordar cosas, aunque sea online, hacer una mini coordinadora en la que recordar las cosas, a lo mejor incluso, bueno, no sé si en el guión había un punto de calendario.

32:03

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

the year, but even calendarize the things that are going to talk about, what are we going to have to share? Well, the plan, how we go with the plan, and this is something that I would like to work in these two month meetings, for example. So, it would be ideal to join us, like a general coordinator, but I, for the practical effects of my life, I think it's easier to do

32:35

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Two meetings. Online, I understand. Yes. And a little bit about inviting other volunteers, which maybe it's easier to say, if you're a volunteer team, maybe you'll say, go to the end of the week to Madrid. It takes a lot of effort when my job is to be a volunteer team, you know? I think it's true.

33:24

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Lora, Lora, da ese punto de roce, ¿no? De verte, a pesar del cansancio, tenerlo un rato de charlar, de jugar, de... Bueno, ¿me entendéis, no? Sin embargo, veo lo que está planteando Alba y, además, el coste económico que supone.

33:46

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

So I think it's more like a process. Let's start having that online meeting that can be a little easier, inviting the team members to be involved a little bit more. If we see that it has worked, we can do another step. But well, I don't say that, that's what I'm talking about. No, no, I'll take the stones to talk about it and see what was the general feeling. I think it's important to talk about it.

34:18

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

Yes, I mean, with the illusion of seeing each other, I would say that yes, not a problem, I would come two or three times a year. But it's true, I think he's completely wrong. I don't know if I'm proposing this, for example, to Aron, who is the tercero of the other team, he can get out a weekend for coming to Madrid, having in mind that he's working for the weekend. And, for example, from our asamblea, that Ale lo vio, he had to go. So, it's true that I'm...

34:44

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

Maybe we'll start by the online meetings, even though it's best for the presencial, but we'll start by the online meetings, two or three, and then we'll look at it.

35:00

S… Speaker 5 (Grabación (3))

Eh, bueno.

35:02

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I'm going to read the aportation because it has to do with this. And I also respond to the questions, to the stones that has left Manu. It's super cool to see us more, although with the calendaring, we have to be realists, which is what Alba said, that we all know how we should be caught. And that's it, maybe put them in the coordinator so that we can do it with time. And with what Manu said...

35:31

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I think that the team members come to these coordinators in February has a whole sense. And as Joseca said, it's double work that we'll do later. Because the week that comes, I'm going to reunir with the team members, and I'm going to put on the day of what we've talked about here. And the last week I'm going to have to reunite with them to see what we're going to talk about here. So I don't see why not. I think it's a very good idea that the team members are going to be...

36:01

S… Speaker 6 (Grabación (3))

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36:25

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

But maybe, like Alba said, to increase the number of 2 in the course and not the quality of the coordinator of June is a good alternative. But with the amplifiers, I don't see why not go there. Incluso people who are going to reflect on that. Yes. I think, at least, looking at the advantages and disadvantages, for example, the coordinator of June.

36:57

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

if you are in the community but you don't provide any kind of information. If you are in the community but you are in the community, you are in the community but we are in the community and we are in the community.

37:11

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

That's why I don't go as a coordinator general. Imagine that this is June, and you're here with us. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you. I'm here with you.

37:45

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I would also be part of the Secretary and I would not be aware of what is talking about in the General Coordinator, of what is the general feeling of the militants, even if I can read the act, even if there are such things and other things. If we decide it like that...

38:01

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Well, we try to go ahead and do that. But I mean, that it is just in the general coordinator. For me, it is a double red. If you don't want to have double red red with reunions for the area, you can send me this with this proposal. I don't know why that's because I don't know exactly what the explanation has to be, but then I'll show you that. Yes, exactly. I think that's why I said that. And this is why, for example...

38:28

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

Maybe we can reunite on Sunday, which is the coordinator of June, and we are meeting tomorrow, afternoon, or afternoon. But on Sunday, for example, they share the conclusion of how we're going to do tomorrow, and so you can't... I mean, this is a good idea, so you don't have to reserve like two weekends.

38:50

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

It works for us and we're paying for it. That's what you want to organize. It's a matter of what decides the movement, I'm for the movement. I also think it's a good idea for that, for if it's complicated. Maybe we'll see it on Saturday, and we'll see if we do it all the day, but maybe you could put the day of the general coordinator on Sunday, like tomorrow or tomorrow.

39:22

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

It's true that it can be done, but it's strange that the General Coordinator does a synthesis of the General Coordinator only because I am I. No, because they already have that coordinator. In this case, in October, we do that synthesis because what is said in this coordinator...

39:44

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

It has to be a proposal that we launched from the General Coordinators of Economy, so that the General Coordinators, which is the medium for which we decide things between Council and Council, approve what we do here.

40:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

So, if we already talk about the general coordinator, it doesn't have to be able to do a synthesis of the general coordinator.

40:08

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

with all this I share with you. I could read the conclusions, because all the secretariat would have access, but it's true that it's not the same reading the conclusions that the coordinator is living, seeing everything that arises, seeing why she has reached that conclusion, and collecting a more general feeling of what the movement is planning, beyond what I can read in a conclusion that can be relatively cold. So, in particular...

40:37

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Maybe I'm wrong completely, but in particular, I better see that we see another weekend and that I can participate in the coordinator general, because I already lost one, which is this one. No, I don't have to lose it. I mean, I don't have to lose it in the general sense of the coordinator general, even if later I have a transmission of what I have already agreed, a transmission of all these things.

41:03

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

a second coordinator general that I would like to do, I think it would be more dangerous for the movement than to have to do two weekends, because in addition, the meeting that we are talking about...

41:16

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I think it doesn't have an envergadura of a coordinator, maybe it doesn't have an envergadura of three hours a Saturday, or four hours, or, in fact, I don't think it's as long as a coordinator to be a whole day. I think I prefer to invert four hours of my liberation to be in another coordinator general of economy, in another meeting general of economy, before I lose the general feeling of the coordinator.

41:46

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

What we can do is also mark those dates, more or less, from the coordinators. That's what I would say. If you don't agree with what you're going to say, then we'll do it. Two reunions, for what I understand, and not three. The majority agree with two. Regarding two or three, one thing that is important. I ask for the Massive Act. How do we do this from the coordinator?

42:16

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

for not to come to Lolo and the rest of the economy commission, that I don't know who they are. I mean, this is because I know what it is to come to a economy commission of a massive act between three people, and I think this is the coordinator of the economy is to be there. So, before thinking about how many we do, we have in mind that you are also in the way, and you will have to follow up.

42:42

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It would be a good option for this rebellion to be commented on what we are working on from the Commission of Economy of the Acto Masivo. Okay, well, I think that more or less has come out of the debate. Someone has something else to add? Yes, that here none of us are imprescindible in any place, but I understand what you express and if for you...

43:19

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It is beneficial to be in the General Coordinator, that we will put another weekend, but that none of us are impertentable to be there, or here, or that the movement will continue to work. I think the debate has been finished, so let's complete it as possible.

43:56

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

The first thing we would have to decide, I think, would be the periodicity of these meetings, and then, once you decide the periodicity, see what specific calendar you have during the year 2026. What date is the coordinator of June? I think 19-20, if not, I don't remember. I'm talking in memory, I think. No, 2021.

44:25

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

because it's the end of the week, you said the 19th and the 19th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the 20th and the

44:54

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

the week before the coordinator, precisely for one thing about the coordinator.

45:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I think we would have to reunir before, to be able to, from this meeting, plan to face the Asamblea, or to see... So, sorry, we will, apart from the coordinator, two meetings? Do I understand? Yes. Okay. Are you all agree with that there are two more meetings? Yes.

45:31

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

So, from here to February, two reunions. That would be February, the coordinator of February, and two more reunions in the year. Yes. That's what we have approved. Format online, I understand. Yes. The week before the coordinator. We are the 6th of June. So, our group is in June. February, two more reunions, I understand that online. Yes, yes.

46:03

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

That was another aspect that we were talking about. I understand that it's open to the team members too. After this, we have to calendar according to the Asamblea calendar and see if we decide to meet before or after. It's the same thing we decide.

46:48

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

are going to be something transcendental for the General Coordinator of June. I mean, if we are going to work on the topic of objectives and this, and the situation of emergency... Well, yes, it would make sense to do it before.

47:09

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I think it should always do it before, because there is always a point within the coordinator general that is the point of economy to see what we have advanced. I think it should always do it before, see what agreement we have come and communicate with the coordinator general.

47:30

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Asamblea de zona no, la reunión de tesoreras. Evidentemente la asamblea de zona también, porque en asamblea de zona se prepara la coordinadora general. O ciertos puntos de la coordinadora general. Vale, entonces hacer esta reunión nosotros con los tesoreros de equipo antes de las asambleas. Antes de las asambleas y antes de las coordinadoras. O sea, antes de las coordinadoras, pero como el fin de semana de antes por norma general es asamblea, sería...

47:53

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

By the general rule, the end of the week before or two weeks before. The end of the week is the 6th of June. So the end of the week is the 30th of May. And we can't. Ah, of course, as we are in a concert with Aitana... I don't remember when it was. We can also have the 16th of May if we want. The Asamblea of Madrid is one day, the 6th of June. Ah, well, it may be the 7th of June.

48:35

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

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49:03

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

because he is going to work as a guest, at the 2 or at the 1 or at the 1 or at the 8 in Canarias. No, at the 9 in Canarias, at the 10. 8 can be very soon, 8 can be too soon. 9 there, 10 here. We have three hours more or less. More or less, according to what we want. And if we reproduce with delay? No, no. Fortunately, there's a good internet. That's what we have.

49:36

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes

50:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Okay, perfect. The 7th of June, that there is a point for the next meeting. I think, my mind is that after the Massive Act, we can talk about the accounts of Massive Act and close a bit. Why not? Or before. It has more sense. To prepare the Massive Act...

50:25

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I would like to look for it in September. Yes, in September. We'll see you in a rest of the time. We have a point where we have a point where we have an economic training. It's a joke, we have to have the training too. I have a question about it. Why not? Why not? We have to come in the asamblea of the course, the coordinator of the course.

50:53

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

no no hay extraordinaria no no hay este los años de coordinadora extraordinaria ampliada economía es de consacrón aunque con el acto masivo nuestro sí que hubo ampliada también a no pero porque fue el mismo año consejo y vale pues lo pongo que antes del acto masivo y luego ya el 7 de junio cerramos

51:24

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Concretamos esta reunión, que en principio podría ser a principios de septiembre. ¿Después de la escuela de responsables? Entre escuela de responsables y acto masivo. ¿Cuándo es la escuela de responsables? Último de agosto. Supongo que 28, 29, 30, ¿no? Sí, creo que sí. Bueno, sí, 27, 28, 29, 30. Por la semana siguiente. 406.

52:05

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

well

52:23

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

end of the week 5 or 6, and then in June 7th, we end of the week. Perfect. end of the week 5 or 6

52:34

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Yes, not all the end of the week, but that's the end of the week, we try to keep the end of the week, or we try to keep the end of the week. Or the end of the week, or the end of the week, or the end of the week, or the end of the week, or the end of the week, or the end of the week. Yes, the end of the week, the end of the week, the end of the week. Yes, the end of the week, the end of the week, the end of the week. Yes, the end of the week, the end of the week, the end of the week.

53:04

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Okay, well, we have closed a little bit on that, that I think it gave a response, because we have been going to move on a little bit more this, I think it gave a response to Objetivo 4.5.4.1. Well, one question, which is something that has been mentioned, but has not been clarified at the end of the discussion, is about February coordinators. That we have to say about it, because this is something that we have to do with AIA.

53:35

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

If we agree with that, or if not, you have to approve it tomorrow.

53:46

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Antes de pasar a S, cerramos este. O sea, me refiero, este daba respuesta al objetivo 4.4.1. Sí, ¿no? Perfecto. Ahora sí. Seguimos. Era simplemente por aclararme, porque ese era mi pensamiento, pero quería que constase en acto. Perdón por interrumpir. Entonces hemos cerrado los objetivos y medios que vamos a priorizar.

54:08

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

No, we are still talking about it. We have closed that we want to give priority to Objetivo 4, and in particular, in Objetivo 4, to Medio 4.1, which is just what I just asked. And now, after knowing that that is what we are going to prioritize, I have a question about Alberto, which has left a debate behind, which is the issue of amplifying the Coordinator of Economy and Iniciation to the staff of the Equipo and Iniciators of the region.

54:37

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Well, yes, of course, not to the zone, but to the initiators that are in the zone. More than anything, because yes, this occurs for our response, but I think that it is something... Extrapolable, right? Yes, I think that there is no need to look at our ombligo and that's it. The coordinator of the initiative also...

55:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I think it's important that the responsible team knows the task from within. In practice, there is no such a lot of people. It's expanded and... It's expanded and it's only for us. And because of the Madrid. But that the possibility doesn't close. I think it's interesting. It's for inviting us. Okay.

55:25

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So, do we propose to the General Coordinator that we can expand the Economy and the Iniciation Coordinator? Yes. Perfect. Now, let's continue. We have already established the 5th objective. We have established the 4th objective. Now, the 1th objective.

55:57

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Did you see if we gave us priority or if we didn't give us priority? Or if it wasn't a priority but we could see how to do the 1.1. So, do you think it is necessary to be one of the priority objectives?

56:12

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

or just to talk about how to do the medium 1.1? Yes. I have to remember that in the previous coordinators we talked about to give priority to two objectives and the rest to work, but to centrarnos in two. And the rest to stay there and then we can work. Perfect. So, objective 1, no priority.

56:40

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

but we wanted to participate in a more concrete medium for the medium 1.1, which is elaborating a prayer for areas of the trimester, focused on the economy, so that it is shared and worked with the teams. And the medium 1.2, ensuring a quality space that is centered on the economy of the area and the state, for example, asamblea, formations, etc.

57:08

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I thought that in the 1.2 meeting, in reality, these meetings, as in general, are going to be done before the area assembly, can you talk about the accounts at the state level and that the area is also one of the points to deal with in this quarter meeting? Yes. Okay, perfect. And in the 1.1 meeting, we have to think about how we give...

57:39

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

that new life, or that new thing, or how to organize it so that it can be done. This is the proposal we made from Madrid.

57:56

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

It was that, as the materials of the TRD as well as the contributions and collaboration, that when they work in this format of revision of life, because they are also in the format of revision of life in the teams, that each team will have at least a testimonial about economy and community, and that they can make a number of short and short.

58:17

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

with that set of texts and testimonials. First trimester in Valencia, second trimester in Madrid, third trimester in Aragón, if we all send testimonials, we can do a good number or a couple of numbers in Cortallora, that we can work for all of them, and all of the areas we are working, but we are contributing. What do you think of Amazon?

58:49

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It can only be a summary and if it doesn't occur in other mediums, at the end of what we're talking about is that we put this medium in operation. That's what we're planning on, that's what we're planning on. That's what we're planning on now, right? I'm not putting anything in the calendar that I tell you about all the months, it's a good idea. As long as you're talking about, I don't want to talk about it.

59:36

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

What I see is that it is interesting to recopilar aportations, but what I was saying is that as we don't have it in the calendar, this first trimester to Aragón, the reality is that we forget.

1:00:12

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

I would say a double date, that in the calendars appear.

1:00:32

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

in your personal calendars, as tesorer of the zone, will appear in this quarter, and another date that is truly when you have to send that message.

1:00:48

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

If the month is in January, February, March, then in January we have a record that says, as tesoreras, I have to ask this, I don't know how much, who I am going to ask, who I am going to ask, and we have a series of questions, and we try to take this testimony, apart from the testimony that can be released from the TRD and the Coticization and Colabora review.

1:01:16

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I mean, the more numbers of the short and the more orations we have, at the end, that doesn't allow us to be a bank of resources that, although it is from 2025, can be placed perfectly for that prayer for 2026, because the economic reality and the actual reality are not as changing as for that something that is done, an experience that is done in 2025, is not extrapolable to 2026. If the gospel continues to be extrapolable 2000 years later, I think it's a life experience.

1:01:46

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I think it's going to be extrapolable for only one year. I don't know, but before we worked with dates and we didn't do it. I don't know if you remember it. Yes, we worked with a semester. And we didn't do it. And we changed it like that.

1:02:08

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

the last year, in February, to say, okay, we are aware that we have a year to send it. If someone has it before, it will send it. If someone has it before, it will send it. If someone has it before, it will send it. But we are aware that we have to send it. And it is not done. So, I don't know if it's a matter of time.

1:02:36

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

If it's a thing of jadez, if it's in the sense that it's the object, but we forget that it's the object. When we come to the coordinator of february, to work on the annex are the object, and when we end the coordinator of february, we don't forget that it's the object. It can be, because I think it happens. So, what can we do to remember that it's the object?

1:03:06

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

A lo mejor un calendario está bien, pero hay que recordar. Tiene que haber alguien que se encargue de ir recordándolo. O deben de salir materiales que faciliten la realización de esto también. Una revisión de vida, no lo sé. Un estudio del Evangelium. Pero concreto, que vaya para que salga esto.

1:03:36

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

that we hope that we do a review of life that we do, that we do not know. No, no, no, that we are centred and that we are going to do great. We are going to do a review of life, and the intention is that from what comes out of this review of life, we will write a book of life. No, I don't know.

1:03:58

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

But I say it because we have already worked in both ways, and none of them has worked in both ways. So there is something of internal organization within this goal that doesn't allow us to develop it. I don't know if I can simplify it a lot, or maybe add responsibility to another person. But what I do is calendarize it like it was before.

1:04:28

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Some of them didn't work or didn't give the time and they would leave it later. I would calendar it trimestral, because there are four areas per year. And in these meetings, I don't know if I have to be responsible for other people, but I would like to take care of it and take care of it.

1:04:53

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

So that we need to be responsible for the state of the Tesoroastatal and to be able to do that.

1:05:00

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I don't know if I can simplify it a lot and think that it will be solved and that it will be done, or if I can do it a lot to Alex. In fact, I didn't think about it, but I wanted you to be the one who produced it.

1:05:17

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I think it can be a good medium. I think it can be a good medium that one of the points of this trimest meeting is simply remember that Canarias, in this trimester it will be to you. Planteate, Ana, who you are going to propose or what you are going to propose. Yes, but what I'm referring to is that things are not unique. It's very good to remember, but yes.

1:05:44

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

that you have a life document or a testimonial without a previous job is complicated. For example, if we have in Valencia, we have planned the economy review of the teams. The responsible person who dynamizes that can ask a couple of people. That there is something that motivates the realization of that. But if it's like this, it's like this.

1:06:17

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

No hay que demostrarlo al mortal, sino responsabilidad de los tesoros de la zona, hacer una revisión e incluso, bueno, mismamente ahora ibas a proponer, bueno, hay que aprobar un material de revisión de economía, ¿no? Sí. Entonces, pues a lo mejor eso mismo nos puede servir.

1:06:34

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Yes, in fact, that's the proposal of Madrid, that in particular the TRD in the areas that we need to work, and the life revision, with what comes out, that the life revision should be written by written. Maybe a possibility could also be that we have a team, that we have to plan directly.

1:07:05

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

As a team member, we ask the team members to say, hey, maybe it would be good to do a prayer according to this, and in that team member, the fact that we, in our team, we also have that vision of saying, okay, I'm going to ask this particular prayer.

1:07:32

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say,

1:08:27

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I'm not very crazy. I think the Estatal Plan of Economy and Community... Well, this point, more than the Estatal Plan, because the Estatal Plan was already finished, but the review of the Estatal Plan of Economy and Community can be done by finalized.

1:08:51

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

For a short summary, can you tell the numbers that are going to be prioritized? I know that are 5 and 4, but to concretize it well. Yes. 5 and 4, within the 5, the 5.1 and the 5.3. 5.1 and 5.3. Within the 4, as priority, the 4.1. And then, although it is not priority...

1:09:16

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

The objective one is to put more attention to the shared orations, which is the media 1.1, which is everything we have talked about. Materials of the TRD Revisión de Vida de Cotizaciones Más Colabora. Recordatory of the reunion trimestral, or that I remember that reunion trimestral, well, cuatrimestral that we will have during the course. And that in that moment, the Tesoreria Zona has a proposal to the team.

1:09:45

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So I understand that the first trimester would be in that order. That's what we would have to close now. Thank you for giving it to me, because it had passed me completely.

1:10:03

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

We will keep this order, that is there, to respect it. We will start Aragón, Andalusia... I was going to say, for example, that now with the unification of the team, we will plan, before we finish the course, and I think the next month is very early, a review of economics, and we will work with the TRD. If it's a lunar or so, I'll share it, even if it's not there.

1:10:32

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Of course, everything that comes out is always sent, because there is material that can be saved for that.

1:10:40

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

We follow the calendar in the Estatal Plan of Economia and Comunidad... Bajalos, a ver. ...teniendo in mind that we would start in 2026, or maybe we would start by 2025 and follow that order and forget 2027. I don't know, what we think and what we agree. I would continue in 2026, and if, for example, Canarias, who was in 2025, does it now and does it now?

1:11:06

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

or Euskadi, which would be the last year of 2025, maybe even... As they are not present, we will not be able to... Okay, so following this calendar, we start by 2026, therefore, in this semester, the oration would be to the Valencian community.

1:11:38

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So, then you will see the material, but if you want to propose a specific prayer and that there is a specific testimony for this prayer, perfect. Well, now that's it. I think, right? Yes. If there is any more support, I think now that's it. We can again applaud you because we've already done it.

1:12:06

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

maravilloso perfecto

1:12:28

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

We are all in the same sintonia. The criteria of the money we receive for our work.

1:12:55

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

In this case, well, I'll explain where it comes, I already explained it by the General Coordinator, but it's not enough because we're not all in the General Coordinator. It's supposed to be that, by the statute, we have to pay the minimum salary for the service of the movement.

1:13:18

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So, in particular, I have been hired as a full-time monitor, which means that, for convenience, I can't pay less, I mean, I can't pay less, I can't pay less, I can't pay less, I can't pay less, I can't pay less, I can't pay less, I can't pay less, I can't pay less than 60€.

1:13:44

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

or something like that, in October, Aurora, if I don't remember, right? I don't have any idea. We're going to public the convening, but it's in October. In October or November, I can remember what it was. I was wondering why it happened because it passed me a piro, and I was like, what's the same thing in Alemán?

1:14:01

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

The case is that it goes up there, but there is also an increase in the minimum salary. The number is the most important thing is that the criteria is about what happens with that money or what we do with that money. And then, for criteria of parity within the Secretariat General.

1:14:23

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

we have to pay all the same, because if not, it would not be fair to pay 60 euros more, and the rest of the secretariat pay less money. That's another of the movement criteria. So, as my salary is above that, the salary of all of them is above.

1:14:51

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I don't remember exactly which one. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7.

1:15:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I will put it here. Can I say it again? 7. Perfect, thank you. 7. It's like the bingo. 7. Thank you, thank you for saying it again. That, well, the criteria were a bit these. Well, evidently, those 60€ more also apply to the two extra payers we received.

1:15:29

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

So, you receive more extra paga? No, more extra paga than your friends. No, no. You receive the same amount. Because the extra paga is calculated according to the salary. So, as we all pay the same, we also pay the same. You're saying that you don't pay the same.

1:15:53

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

No, I'm saying that because I, for convenio, have to pay more, then all, for parity criteria, have to go up to where I pay, for convenio. So, because you're paying 60 euros more, the rest are also paying 60 euros more. 180 euros monthly. Because, if not, there would be a disparity between that I pay 60 euros more than the rest of the secretariat, and it doesn't make sense.

1:16:23

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

and those 60€ that put the criteria for the sobrant money here, are your extra pay? No, of all the pay, but also the extra pay. That's to say, 14 pay per year.

1:16:52

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

that at the end, it's not 60€ what they pay for, but it's 60€ what they pay for, maybe they pay for 300€ every month, and they pay for 40€ in pension. The truth is that I, in particular... No, I mean 60€ is what you get. No, directo no, in bruto, 60€ more in bruto. Well, that's it, but that's it, those 60€...

1:17:20

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

It's possible that in your nomination, which is not the first time that you pay in the secretariat, and the other two people, even if you pay the same amount, you would pay those 60€. If we don't have this deficit. Instead of 3 people pay 60€, you only pay one. Because at the end... No, we pay 60€. If we do that, then the secretariat is cumpling the criteria.

1:17:51

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It's the same thing. The problem of all of this is that, as you can't get away from a person because contracts are already indefinite...

1:18:08

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and if we renunciate, we don't have the right to leave, once we leave the liberation, which is a wonderful situation, if we renunciate, we can't contract with the same contractual model as before.

1:18:28

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So, for that kind of criteria, for that kind of thing, now you can't contract exactly the same. And also, the money, because that contractual model is different, will change according to the secretariat. And according to the form of the secretariat. Because, for example, I'm contracted as monitor because I have the title of monitor. Nacho, you're contracted as an administrative assistant or something like that? No, no, no, no.

1:18:57

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

No, that was one of the things that we saw, but at the end it was auxiliary administrative of puerta. But I don't know. The case is that, for example, Nacho, for convenience, also cobra a little bit more of the minimum salary, but by criteria of parity, it has to be equal with me, because it cobra a little bit less than me. And Melanie, who is the one who is contratting as administrative, is the one who cobra the minimum salary for convenience. What happens is that, by criteria of parity, you have to cobrate the same as me. So, plan for calculation, for knowing, to evaluate it well.

1:19:28

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1:19:56

S… Speaker 5 (Grabación (3))

I don't know if you've seen the shape of the roof or the bathroom.

1:20:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

We started in Techo del Baño, we sent the other day, we are already in communication with the person who doesn't do it, who has to pass the budget, which is something that we have to approve here if we want to do that reform. We are talking and we sent a video and we said, I have to go to the person, it's worse than I thought. That was literally his comment.

1:20:30

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

A ver, yo pens... No, no, no, que mi aportación ya está... A ver, yo pensando... ¿Vas a aportar o es simplemente... Aportar, aportar. Vale, si os parece hacemos las aportaciones por orden, que da igual, pero... Ah, vale, vale. Pues entonces, Andalucía. Perdón, un momento, ¿cuánto cobráis ahora mismo? 1.260. Es bruto, es que no lo sé, no me lo sé de memoria cuánto cobramos.

1:21:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Because it's not the same thing as Neto, so we could see what we pay for Neto, but it depends on how much we pay for us personally. If you give me 2-3 minutes, I'll take it. Ah, well, I'll take it. I have access directly to... Yes, but to me it was Pinu. Yes, that's what I've left. Yes, that's what I've left. That's what I've left. And that's what I've left. Yes, that's what I've left.

1:21:31

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Those are literally names. That's it. That's it. That's it. I think I'll leave it there.

1:22:15

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Andalusia thought that this is something that doesn't have any debate because that money would really be a donation from that part of the debt that has the interest of the Secretary of State.

1:22:26

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

In case of that can't be devolved by bank, we think that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind that we can keep in mind

1:23:04

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

We thought it was like 60€. I thought it was less money. But... I think we all have understood it a little bit. Even though, in the beginning, our opinion was that we would have seen that the money would fall into the needs of the Secretary General.

1:23:36

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

and that if it is not impossible, it will be returned to the HOC in a way or another. Maybe this needs a more concrete criteria, like this month, we have 180€ each month.

1:24:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

180€. If there is a need that we have on the floor or whatever, then from there, imagine that there is nothing. In the case of that month, it can be a mutual collaboration or an apportation. How to concretize that? Not always for the SG, without control of if it really is necessary.

1:24:28

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

but that I completely agree with the criteria that I know that that money would be spent on the SG if it really is necessary. It is simply to see every month and value that money, whether it is because the SG needs it for something or if not, it is a direct contribution.

1:25:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Yes, everything is fine, but that's because I didn't understand it. If they want to put it like the criteria, I don't think it would be bad. But the first thing that came to my mind is that it's true that maybe by falling into saying that this is fine, maybe it doesn't change, but it's true that the reforms have its own.

1:25:25

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I would say that the first thing I would say is that this year, for now, it will be designed to reform the floor, or paint the house, or change the kitchen, and reform the house. And in February, the ESG will evaluate how the issue is, if it needs to be destined for that money, so if not, it will become a collaborator.

1:25:53

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It's the first thing that comes to mind, but if you want it, I don't think it's bad. I have a question. If there is a problem in the house, do you pay it out of your pocket or the HOP account? In general, it pays the HOP account, because the floor is the HOP. What happens is that this model happened because, in the beginning, I don't recommend ADEBAN and Aurora.

1:26:23

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

That's a little strange.

1:26:26

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

that you just raise 60€ the salary and you just return 60€ more in a collabora, because then you could see that there is a little weird and by general, they won't say absolutely nothing, with me there was no problem because I have to pay just what I have to pay, but of course, imagine in the case of Melanie, that you raise 60€ the salary and suddenly you give 60€ all the months in a collabora, that's why...

1:26:52

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

the intention of making these criteria was to send them to the HOP without having to pass obligatory to the accounts, and therefore there could not be a real investigation by the Hacienda, which could be really worrying. And why does it not send it all of a sudden?

1:27:25

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I'm going to read my report. It's a money that, of course, should not have received. And I think it's logical to return directly to the HOP. Why? Because the cost of the HOP is not only the issue of the parking lot and the meetings, it's a lot more. It's the issue of paying the sede, it's also paying a Leo.

1:27:51

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

the service of limpieza, many things that are put in the budget, not only the house and the encuentros. So, to start, that money, those 60 euros for 14, for 3, 2.500 and pico euros, although it doesn't see reflected in the accounts, are 2.500 euros that...

1:28:15

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

se vende menos como gastos no sé si me explico y que si no se devuelven íntegramente creo que luego a final de curso las cuentas no son reales porque si no vais a devolver todo el dinero de golpe a lo mejor de los 2520 os habéis gastado

1:28:43

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

1.800 euros in the room. Those 700 euros, where do they stay? In the house account. But at the time of the account, they are minus 700 euros in the room. I don't know if I'm explaining it. So, we are... Well, 700 euros would be minus 2.500 euros, because the room of the room would not enter the house in the room.

1:29:13

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It would be like that we would do that. It is to say, if the accounts would still reflect the deficit, the 2.500€ that we would do, what we would do is that we would not have to put the parking lot on the accounts because it goes from our pocket. The case is that we would not reflect the accounts in a way... how do you say it? Realistic.

1:29:45

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

So, if they are receiving 2.520, that return to those 2.520, because then we can see some real accounts. That's what I want to say. Not because I don't care about you, but because I don't have any...

1:30:00

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I don't think I would give you a responsibility to that money, but it would still be more deficit than we already have, and it would be more. If this year we had a deficit of 2.000€ compared to the previous year and the next year would be 4.200€.

1:30:26

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

no sé seguiríamos haciendo bola de todo esto entonces si habéis recibido 60 euros más desde que tú estás allí pues

1:30:38

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

That's not just since I'm here, because it just changed in October and November, which just this year will change exactly. October and October were not 60 euros, but a little less, and then from November were 60 euros more. So would be November, December, January, February, well, all the year would be 16. 16 x 3 x 60.

1:31:06

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

to return to the end of the year, so that each one will be 16-60 at the end of the year. That's what I see, that I don't have the absolute reason, but it's more than anything about the account.

1:31:40

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

When Alex asked me, he said, those 60€ that I have borrowed from the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest of the rest

1:32:05

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and I agree with what you said, because when renews the secretariat and not this situation, for the title, will have to make a budget, considering that the tax requires some errors. So, I think it is better to reflect well the real costs that the piso has in this moment.

1:32:36

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It's an old house that needs maintenance. And that's what's going on with the ingresos. The second thing I was going to say is that if nothing happens, I don't think it's more than that.

1:32:54

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

No, no, no, no. Era una duda que tenía, una pregunta. O sea, y me la respondiste, gracias. O sea, entonces, viendo que no pasa nada, pues, que no veo mal que lo hagan así, o sea, de verdad les animo a reformar el piso, porque es verdad que, o sea, yo soy consciente que idas a poco que está mal. Y por más obrero que seamos, no tenemos necesidad de vivir en esas condiciones. La verdad que a mí en concreto no me gusta que se me...

1:33:21

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

and also

1:33:41

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I don't know how the most legal way to do it, because it's also rare that three people are able to provide the same amount at the same time to the same account. So, we have to see what is the less suspect to do that transfer.

1:34:06

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Because if everyone does the same person, they have to pass the money to that person. And what I'm saying is that if everyone does the same amount transfer to the same account, that maybe you can do it once a month and that each one does it in a date. One does it in January, another does it in June and another does it in October.

1:34:38

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I don't know. And it's like a transference.

1:35:00

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

instead of making money apart and all these things, we have to reflect on the accounts and therefore, we have to do that as a donation to the movement. Perfect. Now, once we talk about that, we focus on what we do. No, I think that if there are things about the LSE, I don't know, like in the community, you can spend it with that money.

1:35:25

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

So about that, the second and third criteria, which, by the way, is not reflected in the third criteria in the document, which you mentioned.

1:35:38

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

1:36:06

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

and now we're going to do the compensations of travel, the compensations of the meetings, so that it doesn't go to cost zero. I said it because it's reflected in all the movements. If a meeting doesn't go to cost zero, it's not because you put it out of this money, but it goes out of the HOP account.

1:36:29

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

are responsible for the militants of that, as this meeting was supposed to have to be a cost of zero, and it didn't have to be paid, or the food of this meeting, how much money can be reflected. In other words, I don't know what point it could be reflected. I would have to do an analysis of concrete gastos and apuntarlos, and I don't know.

1:36:55

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

because it doesn't look like a loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan loan

1:37:25

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

I don't know, Aurora, because I think you have a little more idea about this. I think we can launch a concrete proposal, which is to make it without ingress once a month, that each one of us will make it once a month, that is, in the first month, in January, February, March, Melanie will make it in January, I will make it in February, and Nacho will make it in March, so that it doesn't seem like this, and that it is a money in a regular way.

1:37:54

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

that it is a puntual collaboration, because it doesn't always coincide with the same quantity, because it is a little strange. For example, I do in January 100€, and in April I do 700€, so that at the end of the year, it is just 60€ by 14€.

1:38:21

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. What happens when I cobro this and I do it directly, I think there's a lot to find out. I don't know if there's a lot to find out. I don't know if there's a lot to find out.

1:38:45

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

create a periódic transfer, you in March, June, September and December, you can't complicate it. I don't know until that point could be treated like something a little suspicious.

1:39:06

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Maybe then they don't look at anything, but they don't look at anything like that. They just get up a little bit and say, well, here we go and... They haven't done any work in 20 years or in 30 years. Well, it's right now, I'm sure. I'll never go. It happened once, eh? No, it's never happened.

1:39:36

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

and that came to Hacienda and gave them an inspection, which came out well. I mean, the risk of having an inspection of work and finding how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it, how to do it.

1:40:01

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Okay, so how do we decide to do it? How do you think it is the best way to do it and to think about it? Every month, one. I think it will be clear. Enero, one. February, another. Okay. And so three transferencias in the year. No, four. Four transferencias in the year. Four transferencias are the same, I understand. Yes, yes. I don't think so, but it could happen.

1:40:37

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

I mean, when Aurora tells me this, I think it's a fear and I say... But you have to be aware that... I mean, I have my part of collaboration apart from these trimestrales. I was seeing the nominations and it doesn't appear as a complement. Is it going up to all? No, it's not going up to the base rate. It's not going up to the base rate. It's not going up to the base rate. It's not going up to the base rate. I mean, it's going up to the base rate, but it's going up to the base rate.

1:41:07

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

So you don't have to be able to do that. That's it. You see that there's a complement of 60€ and you give them 60€. There are several things that don't lead directly to uniting. Apart from that the work should not be put in the donations that you do in the HOPE. But well, as far as expected, the better the better. I would like to add a transfer.

1:41:36

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

one every month. You pay it between January, February and March, but everything. Then... Of course, Manuel, it's not a personal income. Maybe I can do that, because I know I can do it, and I don't have to do anything with my personal income, but it's true to make a transfer of what we have for a whole year.

1:42:10

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Actually, this year it would be 60 for 16, because we would have to return in November and December.

1:42:18

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

And really, September and October. Because maybe September and October, as I also subbed, Melanie and I also subbed, I don't know when it was... Haced a real calculation, the quantity is now irrelevant, but you have to do a calculation from the moment in which it's up, month by month. This month, how much? This month is an analysis of the numbers.

1:42:46

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

And... I don't know, Jose.

1:43:05

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

something in noviembre or two months in October. Yes, that will be done with Aurora or with someone from the Commission of Extractions. I think Aurora, in this case, manages a lot. Or with Pyro. And we talk about a real calculation of how the devolution would be. What important is that we leave here the criteria for how to do it and how to do it.

1:43:34

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Yeah, but then there would be money from the SG account. Well, I think it has been clear. So, once a month, no? No, once a month, no.

1:43:55

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

One al trimestre. Every month, but one al trimestre. And then we also do a real calculation of what we have done now, that we have done transfer, to increase in particular in this year and that's what happens. And that's what happens. So, we're smoking our criteria. But, well, it's the life.

1:44:28

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

For that we are. Yes, for that we are. For that we are. For that we are. For that we are. For that we are. For that we are. For that we have thought that this was the best decision. Or what we proposed was this. But the decisions are part of the movement. So it's about 2 and 10. If you think we are going to press the coordinator. What you want. If not, we can see it in the responsible school. There are only three points. If you want.

1:45:01

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and so we give them time to finish. I have 0 complications and 0 complications.

1:45:36

S… Speaker 3 (Grabación (3))

Andalucía

1:45:40

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

Andalucía, well, in concreto, puertones.córdoba, que, ehm, como ahora mismo está con el tema del territorio educado, en el sentido de que el equipo siente que es más fácil cuestionar aportaciones económicas, pero luego hay gastos, quizás, individualmente, como poner el coche, acercar a compañeros a sus barrios y ver lejos, poner cosas al servicio común, etc.

1:46:00

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

These are things that there are people who make it natural, but sometimes they cost a little bit more, or they get more perceived as something that we don't have to question. In the topic of time, it's the same, but we don't know how to do it. So, well, it's okay. So, you know, training in the TRD, right? No, but because of that part of the TRD, there are things that I question myself, but also how to share with the others.

1:46:30

S… Speaker 4 (Grabación (3))

It was something very general, but I don't know how to give exactly shape. I don't know how to give shape, because I don't know how to give shape. I don't know how to give shape.

1:46:47

S… Speaker 5 (Grabación (3))

Yes, the resources we have for that. Just the first report of Canales, I think it was very much for that, the care of a more community economy. When they proposed this week in the Asamblea, I was thinking about how all the goods, including the good of time and everything, how we put the goods in the service of the community.

1:47:14

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

The importance of putting the goods in the service of the community. At least that's what he said Canarias. I don't know if he said that. What do you mean the tesorería or the economy in the HOC without the money? If we take the whole issue of money, what do you mean the economy in the HOC? Yes, in the sense that it is not only money.

1:47:59

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

What is the economy without finance? Within the economy there are several things, and finance is just the money. Aragón. Aragón was quite in the background of everything we were talking about. So we proposed a little bit about this militant financing.

1:48:34

S… Speaker 5 (Grabación (3))

the contrast between self-sustaining and depending on subventions, also with responsibility, or how to talk about money without breaking the community. Well, there were various issues that were coming out. Canarias is the first one that I was going to name, and for whatever it is, the conciliario is going to name Economía and Imagen. For whatever it is, the conciliario. We also go through that line.

1:49:11

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

How to mix the economic dimension with the evangelical dimension. What does the Evangelion mean to the community? Compartir the money. And that also has related to what I was saying earlier. What does Jesus say about the money? What does Jesus say about putting the goods to service? What does the Evangelion mean? And I think...

1:49:38

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

This is what we were talking about the other day, which also had to do with the objective one that we had above, because we had difficulties for that we were talking about orations, and we said, maybe we have to see what the Evangelion says about the community economy, or about the money, I don't know.

1:50:00

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

It was something that could be interesting to facilitate the objective one. In Madrid we have no more or less than a proposal, but I want to say that in terms of this that you are talking about economy and evangelism, the Sunday of 2025, that was precisely the topic of the workshop that we made Germán.

1:50:29

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

to the militants. So, we don't have any questions, but if we propose a ponente... Well, that's fine. German already has a charter. Perfect. He doesn't propose a tema, but he also has a ponente. Yeah, of course. You have to take into account that.

1:50:51

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

and also the man who is responsible for the school. It was very clave, with a lot of text of the evangelism, working on the first Christian communities, the economy of the first Christian communities, the economy today in the HOV, so you can ask. Well, we'll see that.

1:51:21

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

What is the topic that seems to be proposed? What is Jesus' gospel about the money or the economy? No? Money or economy? Economia. Economia. Economia. Economia. And in principle we propose that it is German who does not give. Yes, I have to ask him. I have to ask him. I have another name that I think is...

1:51:55

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Enrique Lluc is a militant of the OAC

1:52:25

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

The last one, I don't know if it's... Well, the last one, the last one, The Economia Que Mata. This book talks about all of the Pope Francis and the economy, right? But it has other books, and I've heard it and I think it's easy to listen to. I'll tell you, because it's easy to listen to it. That's why you have to take it in mind, right? A third option, if it doesn't happen. If not, with these two, more or less.

1:53:07

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

Now, within these two priorities, Germán or Enrique. To ask first to ask that person, and if that person says no, then ask the other person. I'd say Germán that we don't have it. And if he says no... First of all, it's probably not. And Germán from Comodín. We have it. And if we take a Enrique, we can connect him in a way. I agree.

1:53:45

S… Speaker 2 (Grabación (3))

Perfect. I don't have any idea, because I don't know my proximity to his vacations, because we're in August, talking about August, but I think it's a person who can do it and can affect it a lot. And we have a way to contact with him? Yes. Through the VAC. Yes. German, I'm sure he knows. German, I'm sure he knows. And if not, I have Ramón, he has his contact. And in any way, knowing that he's a militant of the VAC...

1:54:14

S… Speaker 1 (Grabación (3))

We are in contact with the Permanent Commission of the UAD. Hey, can we pass the phone to Enrique Yu? We're going to make a small proposal. It's for a friend. It's for a friend. There's a German. He's going to be sad that we're going to ask him. We're going to finalize him. Amen.

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