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do a lot of uh dealing in togo actually i do do a lot of stuff for the government okay okay so uh you probably met our friend uh madame yodid yeah yeah i met her yes he's the one who referred me to you because in ashmafa she shared your some of your uh uh proposal actually when it comes to ai

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and some of the proposal you've made with our review, which is good because we're doing something similar. But I want to hear from you. What is the plan? What's the intent? And we can see how we can get you developing. She told me also that you're doing other things. That's not my concern. And this one is basically something that you put in a mix.

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and i would like to uh understand better i have an idea i'd like to understand better and basically to see uh to some extent but maybe not in this car but you never know ballpark for you cost wise and how we can integrate into a larger uh uh thing that we're doing for them so hello hello

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Maybe I have it in my phone now. And I just want to hear from that and say how to get it going, basically. Okay, okay, okay. Yes, Mr. Omar, Ambassador, hi. I've got my colleague Suresh also on the line. What is his name? His name is Suresh. Suresh. Suresh? Yeah, S-U-R-E-S-H. S-U-R-E-S-H.

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E-S-H. Okay. Suresh, yeah. Suresh, yeah. Okay. And he's in Chennai and I'm in Dakar now. Okay. So we, you know, I was introduced to you with Madam, and yeah, we've been, we know each other for quite some time now, and yeah. And so I had initially given her proposals, and I said initially,

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Two years back, two and a half years back, I was giving the proposals on why don't we do segmentive or how to inculcate the message of mass psychology in a pro-government centric manner through news articles and also through...

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a calling bot feedback where you know you can have the bots call up all the people and talk to them about various schemes and then you can also take the intent on how many people like the schemes how many people have availed it how many people are not availed it and then so over a period of time what will happen is the information that goes to the public will become your information what you plant particularly as information that people should receive will go to them

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And also feedback also on the population as to how many people have availed, how many are supporting, how many are not supporting. And if they are not supporting, why? If there's a way to tweak, tweak. So this was a concept with which I was actually, I approached her. We have experience on the both side for calling and for building conversations using...

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Both GenX bot AI based thing as well as 3 GenX. Before we only had the LLMs based bot. So even conversational bots based on low LLMs. So we had experience on that and I said, I told to Madam that why don't we start doing this in Togo. And this was one of the areas where I had talked to her. Okay.

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for some reasons we had the elections coming and we had the reorientation of the parliament assembly and a lot of other things happening so it got delayed and now now madam uh told me about this particular thing that we are looking at for ensuring that the information and the news media whatever messages that they're giving is a pro article or an against article and accordingly rate them and then we can do a either

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you can even do you can you can you can do uh within 24 hours you can see what all information has happened in that particular region and accordingly you can dissect and then categorize as to which all events are pro which are events are against and which are events are neutral for the government and accordingly take action on

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people who are spreading the wrong news and wrong information. So this was a concept, this was part of the concept that we initially proposed also, that news articles have to be pro-government-centric and then it has to have feedback from psychology professors in Togo, in France, in US, from India, take their inputs on what kind of information will do good for the people and accordingly those information have to be put on to the people's side.

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I mean, I told her and then she told me that she's working with an American company who are providing them the solution and other things. So then I told her, I proposed to her that, okay, we cannot match what the American company is doing now. But what we can do is, we can do it for you right now. We can put a wraparound.

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the systems that we are taking we are talking about the three systems in the external systems that we're talking from the america we can take from the inputs from them we can build our app around top of it and over a period of three months to six months hello mr omar are you there hello hello hello hello yeah are you able to hear me yes i think uh my vpn just went in and out

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okay so what I was saying is I was talking about the three six that you couldn't do the three system that's why I lost you

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yeah so three systems cannot be done as it is because we don't know what the three systems are providing let me be very frank we have to let us we will build a wrapper on top of it we will be involved in the project of implementation of starting the project and other things and over a period of time maybe say three months down the line or six months down the line after everything goes neutral state and steady state at that particular point of time we will start replacing components of what the three companies are doing

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And then so that over a period of say one and a half years, two years, no need to depend on these third party systems. Most of the components could become from our own this thing. So that is a better cost advantage. And then there is also a, you know, the data does not come to America. The data stays in Togo and everything stays in Togo. Everything can happen from the region. No need for France and America to know what we are thinking or what we are planning.

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Okay. I see. Okay. Let me recap what my understanding is and then we can align our movement. Okay. I suggest you how I see this thing. She showed me the information management system. That's what you proposed. Yes. Okay. This is very good. And let me give you a little bit background so you know where.

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and how I think they make this may work out. Myself, I have a background in

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IT, everything actually. MBA in cybersecurity and stuff like that. Our background is we provide gaming technology. That's how we started gaming travel payments. That's how we started. Okay. So basically what we were doing for Togo, the American company we were doing for Togo, is that

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We are doing a communication push. Communication, what we do communication is based on research. And what we have, we are doing the research with, is a sentiment survey, AI based tool.

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which is a proprietary to a company in the US and it will go throughout we put some topic in there and we'll scan the social media all this stuff and bring the information and compile it and pull out the report and so it can show it based on the topics some of the sentiment that the people are half we forgot to

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the country is it like a governance tool right so that's what we have and we did that phase one where we put it out there so we can see exactly where the people are and based on that what we define we define a communication communication campaign

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And based on that, and that's why we're launching now the communication campaign for three months. And we went up in Togo to create some content and stuff like that. And we're going to work out with that content to create some infrastructure, which is a digital infrastructure, like a website, social medias, and then buy ads and push those, right? That's the phase two we are now. And we do that.

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for three months but we want to phase three and for the phase three we have proposed something that's where you're coming to play because when you do communication and you do all the sentiment you see what people are saying and you produce a communication package like visual uh programmatic stuff like that to push it's not the end of it because communication has to be supported by content

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various content. Some of the content are scientific content, academic content, white paper. Think that major corporations or international organizations will go and use to find that's basically what we need to do. And just thinking about that, and that's when she's like, oh, you know, when we made that proposition, we're like, okay, we're going to

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How do you call that? Commission studies, white papers, fact-based analysis with international tech tank on behalf of Togo. So they can see, they can really produce documents that reflect the correct state of the country when it comes to scientific proposals and stuff like that.

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And that's one part of what we're proposing. And the second part is that we keep up the AI sentiment monitoring going on so we can, when we push continuously, we have a better sense of what's going on in the country. So that's some of the stuff that she...

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uh uh would propose to her which is the first thing then she came back she said listen i think there is a company that have proposed this stuff so she shared a proposal with me and i think part one and part two of what you proposing is a part of our one two and three proposal right one one third party that one third thing that you're not offering

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is something that we have put in there because we're like, okay, you create those.

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communication content, one thing, which is visual. You create now the scientific content, that's two things, right? You have the AI function that you're pushing all those, so that third thing. But in addition to that, human engagement is important to change competitive view. So we have proposed in our paper a third where we...

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Press and business travel to various country where they will meet local Chamber of Commerce local team so people can talk about this other so that's a good woman stuff so in your proposal we you have the AI sentiment stuff and you have us to some extent the academic sentiment stuff and only thing that is missing was that a party that we handling so now the way I see it

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that for us to work together is that because our AI sentiment tool is a proprietary tool that we are really working with an American company to survive. But what your proposition is interesting to me is that you are proposing to build it.

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if I understand, for the country and be owned by the country and managed by the country, based on that, and then the data and stuff like that, a house in the country. Is that correct? Correct. You're right. Because that is interesting to me, basically, that, okay, now it's not a sentiment tool that is created. And so that's what you call a, how do you call that? Information management system, right?

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Yes. In the information management system, you've got three parts to it. Part one, part two is now whichever company that you have identified in America, we go ahead with them. Okay. We sign up with them. We go ahead with them, implement the project. We will be a project manager on top of the project. And we will understand what these companies are doing. And we will start building the tools for

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locally hosting them and then managing them and then you know building the tools so this is what was proposed that is in part three

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We need to understand what they are doing because we have our own understanding of what the sentiment analysis is and what the social medias are saying. For that, if you say these are all the content from where, these are all the input content, our A model can run and tell you whether it is a positive article, negative article or a neutral article. That capability we've already got.

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Okay. What we have and what this American company is doing is the same or not, I don't know. Because ours may be in perspective of general news for the government, but here the American company may be given specific schemes which we may not know. Okay. So I have an access to a dashboard for the American company. What we are doing is a dashboard where

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the software or the system scan all the charts

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You know, internet, many WhatsApp, not WhatsApp at this point, it could do the WhatsApp and TikTok. But basically, all the posting, Facebook, LinkedIn, all the social media, scan it based on the topic that we have and some of the, anything that's coming to Togo. It scan it, and we have put together some, what they call topics, what it follows. So it compile those stuff.

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and the AIs analyze it and to create a report, right? And the report is conclude and say, okay, this is going on, this thing, they're talking about this today, they're talking about this tomorrow, and then basically it's pull out the report, and with the report, it makes recommendations.

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You know, AI make a recommendation, we review that. That's what we have, right? What am I understanding, and maybe that's where you need to explain to me, it seems like your system, first you're proposing to build a system like that, right? I don't know, I mean, that's what I thought. And then you are able, basically you're supposed, I mean, you propose to build the same system that could do the same thing.

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and but that the difference is that it was not going to be a third party that we using that is doing that is that correct correct when we build the system and the system is delivered it will be delivered for togo and hosted in togo okay so yeah here the thing is i need yeah you complete and then i will tell you sorry

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no no no it's okay i just want to understand what you you know my my this thing was you said first you have this uh sentiment analysis to be done you have working with the company we're already doing it yeah you're already doing it it's already started yes okay so for that you don't need us you only need us for part two and part three what is part two and part three in your thing okay part two is for

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Reading social media inputs, taking social media inputs and analyzing whether it's a positive article, negative article, negative article and recommendations from the AI as to how you have to tweak or do whatever to achieve whatever is our end goal. That is number one. As you said, whatever has been impacted with the American company that you have identified, what work they are doing, that we will understand what they are doing and then we will build it better and then we will host locally and will not allow the realtor to leave Togo.

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But that cannot be done on day one. It can happen in day 140 or day 150, something like that. But we'll start building along with you. Now we'll keep engaging as a project manager in the project. We'll understand what the American company is doing and slowly start building our own tools technology. And then over a period of time, we can even replace the American company after some time, after our tool is working properly.

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You can have communication from the call center or through the bots to the people. Where people can call, talk to them or you can also have some messengers and people going and talking on specific topics. For this you can also use probably some help from psychology professors on how the talk should be.

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so that people have a positive sentiment on anything that's happening. And the people whom they're meeting also have a positive feeling and vibe on whatever is happening and what we intend to achieve. Okay. We... Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm just trying to see how we can work this one out. So you don't... You don't have... Okay. Let me just be a little bit more transparent.

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What I wanted to do initially when I'm talking to you is like the sentiment tool that we're using now, I wanted to replace that with what I perceive.

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to be something that is already existing in your proposal right I was thinking okay we are right now doing the sentiment right we wanted to move forward but what I read when I read your proposal it seemed like you could produce the same thing with that

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addition that your tool will be able in turn when we compile everything and do the our basically create our campaign you can push the campaign back out there is it correct

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If you ask me whether the tool is ready, the tool is not ready. Okay. Build the tool. Okay. There are components of the tool which are there. Yeah, there are components of the tool which are there. But we have to put it together and then it has to be made ready. So which is why my proposal was initially since if it is...

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time bound for togo okay so then what we do is we go with the american company okay place order with the american company for all the three but we will be a project manager on top of the project where we will see what each company is delivering and accordingly we will come back to you with feedback within three months or four months of going live as to which all components can be replaced with our internal systems

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Once our internal system comes into play, no need to send the data to America and to the US. It can be done seamlessly with our system. But if you have the time, I would like to have a look at how the software is working from the American company. The dashboard, the software, the sentiment analysis, what it is throwing, and at the same time, phase two of the project that you are talking about, I also want to see how the dashboard works, what reports it throws, so that we are able to tweak and modify our existing software through

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be equal to the internet to match what the American company is doing. Okay. So right now, I think

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I can, let me see. This is a confidential, a proprietary confidential. We did not sign any NDA, but let you and I sign an NDA just so I can show you because this is an American company and I'm trying to keep these things separate, right? And make sure that so you can see exactly what I'm working with, right? I will do that in another call so you have a better sense. But at the same time,

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i don't think the american company will allow you to be a project manager because what are we trying to what i'm i wanted to do because i see that i'm working with the american company no problem fine fine but madam think that your proposal can bring something which is a proprietary thing for togo so we're not going to be able to tell the american company that listen

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We want to substitute you, but right now we want to look at what you're doing and manage that and then take it. It's not going to happen, right? There we keep providing stuff, but I can show you briefly when we sign the NMDA, what's up? That's one thing. And we're trying to do that because of cost effectiveness, right? Because right now we are doing, I mean, we're getting the report and I will work on the report and to create a phase three, right? Now.

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your face to print you talk about what I mean doing what I talk a producing a scientific documentation how I'm doing that explain to me what you trying to do I tell you what I am doing which I have done for many years

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i'm sorry can you come again i lost yeah explain to me what your system is doing i mean what no no your system what is your plan on i mean we know the ai now i have the ai i understand what you're trying to provide the system is not ready but you could build it so it can be proprietary to bin uh to togo that's i know

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Now, you have a data collection framework foundation, nationwide, Germany, international, that's part of it. Now, you have a sentiment analysis, public opinion monitoring, correct? Phase two, social media management. Yeah. But you still, you say that the social media management and campaign execution is not ready because this is a very good tool.

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Basically, phase three now, advanced AI, data, intelligence, back and brain. Can you explain to me that? So how phase three works is, now you'll have, once you have the social media campaign and other things, you know, social media inputs and other things coming out, you will know what kind of information to be sent to the people and for people to perceive about the government or about the previous schemes.

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And as you told also, there will also be ambassadors of Togo who will be going to various forums to go and speak about Togo and they will come back. So we can do recommendations from the AI. So what are the topics and how the topics should be framed. So it has a positive impact and we are able to get maximum research out of that.

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So that kind of articles can be suggested and proposed to us. Articles that has to come on news and also all the ambassadors in various countries have to talk about this to their counterparts or you and wherever. So that everyone has a positive or a better feeling about Turbo. So such suggestions can also come using AI in the future. Mainly on the news.

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and also on what to talk on important international forums. What we can also do is we can also have call center agents or bots also talk to people and prepare and give them seed them with information that we want them to be seeded with.

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So the bots will talk to people vocally or even call center people can also talk. Both can be done. Can call and talk. Yes. The script will be designed by the professors from psychology department of Togo and India together. Public sentiment should be possible.

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So for getting public sentiment positive, what is the kind of information? What is the social psychology skills that we have to enhance in the article? Okay. Okay, skill. Okay, skill. So I'm taking note because I have to report back to her for advice about that. Okay, I see. Okay. Okay, now let me look at again your proposal so I have another question for you.

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Okay, part 3, research and academic output credibility layer. Okay, to cover and start in trusting knowledge and authority, policy research, structural reports, experts. We write those research and reports in a phase 3, part 3, research and academic output credibility layer. We will have a team of people working in Togo.

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Okay. A mix of locals and a mix of expatriates will be working and then, yeah, intelligent people. I see. And they will take input from psychology professors on how to do this. Okay. Everything is on public sentiment. What public read, what they speak, everything. If it is seated properly, it is good. We can defeat the misinformation. Otherwise, misinformation and disinformation is heavy. Yes.

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Okay. Okay. I'm trying to see. Okay. So the team will be team in Togo. And that will be team of basically we have to include those scientific so they can write some stuff and talk about it. Okay. Okay. I see. Now, course-wise.

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I know it's not possible to say cost now I know it's not but what I'm what what I proposed to madam was when the cost of the third party software assuming the third party software cost so much I have put for me but I did not put our cost but yeah no what I'm asking okay why am I asking this again is because I'm pursuing my agenda see how I can use your system if it's come to full effect and build

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to replace what we do now because around what we're doing now is uh when i show you it's doing the work perfectly it's it's giving us the sentiment it's probably is a monthly subscription to that particular and they do it perfectly they give us all the analysis analysis you're talking about all the they give stuff and they make a recommendation i mean great i've been using that for almost

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six months now since our last November we've been using that and we produce a report to the principal and make I can show you some of the report output maybe I could show you some report that we have produced in a while and

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I will share that with you. That will be helpful, yes. Yes, but we do that. So it's perfect. But what I'm trying to do is like, instead of depending permanently for life, but not life, for duration, with the AI at this, that company.

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And when she showed me your proposition, I got excited. I said, if those people can build it and we can own it in Togo and operate it in Togo, then that would be great. That's one thing that was exciting about. The second thing that excited me about it is that we are proposing to build a campaign tooling to it. So we don't have to develop a new campaign all the time. We can just use that to put...

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push because right now with the public a communication campaign why we have to put the infrastructure together the website the social media thing the digital infrastructure and then create the visuals create the programmatic by the ad and push it on social media right and it seems to me maybe i do not understand your system can also integrate campaign push

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I mean, that's how I read it. I don't know if it's... That's why I wanted to talk to you. It can be done. It can be done. At the initial moment, we are afraid to use third-party software. Over after our time, we will replace that model also. It can be done.

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okay that's basically my okay and now question become how how much is all this because we don't have to answer that thing but what I want you to tell to do one coming up from this call for for example we'll probably have another call so I can do a report accurate report we don't have to write I want to see the sample that you've got for the sentiment analysis and the campaign management that you're doing now I want

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