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given three meals a day or whatever,
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that's not where we are on an
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evolutionary scale.
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Our bodies and our minds are still there.
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So maybe why people are,
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you know,
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there are violent films,
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there are a lot of drinking,
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it's just people.
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How do you rewild yourself?
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That's a really interesting idea.
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Rewilding the mind,
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rewilding the person.
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That doesn't mean running out and hounding at the moon,
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but it probably means some form of engagement
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with the material.
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Living in the middle of a savannah with no noise,
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no microplastics,
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no pollution.
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We're not meant to encounter more than 100 people in our life.
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So the bombardment of overstimulation that the average
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human receives in an hour is what you would have had your whole life.
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The to -do list.
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I know.
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It should be pretty simple and probably quite difficult to achieve.
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But it's there and it's something that...
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And it never goes.
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Yeah, and probably quite dangerous as well.
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But, you know,
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one that's just carefully managed and it requires you not
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to need dopamine hits and rushes of this because you've probably got it in your
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life anyway.
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Because,
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I don't know, you had to...
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It's not the easiest thing walking over slippery
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rocks to get to fish in the pot or whatever.
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Something that...
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meant that when you went to sleep at night,
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your system still...
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Do you think it's possible to live as we're meant to live?
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If you think of the human as an animal,
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and then if it was...
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How would you create today the lifestyle?
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Because I often think about running off,
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or not running off,
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choosing to go and live on a farm in Spain with not
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much around, which is what my grandparents do.
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And the internet's quite patchy.
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There's no one around for five
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miles,
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probably.
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You eat straight off the trees.
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That's my five -year plan.
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Yeah.
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South of France.
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I've seen properties.
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I've got a list.
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Oh, my God.
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South of France.
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My aunt did exactly that.
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And she bought this.
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It's like a 10 -bedroom chateau for 250 grand,
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I think.
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I've got a list on my French property site.
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Well, she's done it up and sold it for millions to this Brazilian billionaire.
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And he said,
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oh, I love it, but I can't move in for two more years.
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Can you oversee a pool being built and stay there
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looking after the house?
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I'll pay you another X,
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Y, Z.
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And she was like,
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yeah, a pool can go in,
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no problem.
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He said it's really appealing.
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The Lott Valley is really warm.
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The Cat Wars region,
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the Tard Gorges,
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and I've seen some nice properties around there.
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And there,
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yeah,
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I've seen somewhere in that sort of eight bedroom.
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There's a beautiful cupboard.
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But that's a lot of work.
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Some of them have done up.
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I've looked and they're already refurbished.
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And there's a barn to build a print room.
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There's a mini little forest
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to put some wild boar in there and some pheasants and things.
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And you're looking at like 450 ,000 euros.
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Yeah.
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I think I've got this flat,
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which is a pretty decent flat.
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It's got four bedrooms in East London.
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And I'm like, I could get two for the price of my flat.
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There's a good social life down there too.
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I bet, I've got friends going down there.
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I've got a little gallery.
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And the French are friendly.
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They love the English because they know they're coming in to do up the area
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with renovations and things.
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I'm not too impressed with the school system.
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I've got a seven -year -old boy and I just think I could educate him better.
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And I think personally,
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my dad took me.
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to Saudi Arabia when I was young spent loads of time sort of living out there in
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and out of school really just in the back of his pickup truck just chasing my brother's
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moving to Kenya with his two boys oh really
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oh really they probably know my family I've got loads out there
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they would oh yeah my mother -in -law she knows everyone
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in Kenya what's her name?
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Anna Mason
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She trains racehorses.
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Oh, definitely.
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She's based out of Nairobi.
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She's probably a childhood friend of all my aunts.
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Yeah, you say that now.
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You should
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get into all these places and stuff.
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She knows a lot.
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Granny Fox grew up there.
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And she is outrageous.
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The stories she has.
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And she was not quite the Happy Valley,
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just like a little bit beneath that.
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She Skypes my boyfriend in her 90,
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late at night.
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And we're like,
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Granny!
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She's outrageous.
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One
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thing I would say about the south of France is I love to go hiking.
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and things and they have wild dogs everywhere and also every farm has their
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own dogs and they have no fences and the dogs just chase
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you I've had a few run -ins where and you
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can and the sheep have always been killed because dogs will attack them
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so that's one thing the French do differently
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But Anna was very good friends with the Delamers,
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didn't she?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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I've been to their place in the middle of nowhere.
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That's where my granny was.
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She knew someone,
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and one of the Delamers were in London,
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and he lived with granny,
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or something like that.
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I'll find out.
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He died recently,
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but he was in conversation with him.
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Every time the cat came out,
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he's going, I need a ball bearing.
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And he's like, here's my cat.
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I was trying to get into this cat.
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And he's complained about how he's not allowed to kill any of the zebras
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or something.
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He can't kill them
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because of the lines.
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He was just complaining.
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But he knew a lot about art and print.
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He knew a lot about everything.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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And he had a Bruegel paint on
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their wall.
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And they didn't know.
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what it was and when I walked to the place above the dining table it
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was
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a copy but apparently the original sat there must
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have been about 10 years before and someone
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had come over to the Delamaze place and noticed it and they'd sold
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it for them they said I want to just take a photograph and they had the original sales
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from the
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artist's studio and their family had obviously bought the studio and made
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its way to Kenya in the middle of it
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Yeah.
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I think they got rid of it because they needed the money.
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They got,
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I think it sold it for about five million.
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If you look it up,
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look it up, it'd be in the new,
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just Google Bruegel or Delamare's Kenya artwork,
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someone does those three,
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they'll come up.
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It's a very, very interesting story.
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But yeah,
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he was telling me about that.
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And they had this amazing print,
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like it looks sort of like an original,
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it's in the same frame,
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but they obviously took it away.
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God,
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how fascinating.
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Yeah, yeah,
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really interesting.
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But yeah, Anna Mason,
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yeah, that's your...
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Friends about anime,
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so no one...
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How funny.
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It is a small world.
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There's a lot of...
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And
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there are only about four...
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I mean,
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they call them white families,
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which you can't really say over here,
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but there is no other way to describe it.
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So I lived out there for about two years,
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looking after safari camps that they basically run.
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They went out as tea and coffee farmers in the 1920s.
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And then...
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Like that all plummeted because I think the price went
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from like $25 a kilo to less than one.
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And so they turned all the farms into safari camps or
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like rewilded stuff.
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And it's so
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beautiful.
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But I came back from there because I thought,
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A,
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it's really, the culture is so...
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It's lawless.
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And there were so many incidents that happened with people being killed.
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Like,
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I had to carry a gun all the time.
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There were people who were caught to death by elephants,
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eaten by lions.
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And it's just...
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Your cortisol is like...
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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Hannah does safari tours for...
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Because she's Danish,
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she does a lot of safari tours for a Danish travel agency.
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So she'll know these places because she does tours around Africa.
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Well, my aunt is Pulse Africa.
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So she probably does the tours,
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like sends all her contacts.
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They're probably best friends or something.
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What's her name?
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Sandy Ingalls.
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Or Wood is her married name.
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I'll ask because Anna's here now.
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Pulse Africa is the company.
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Pulse?
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Pulse Africa.
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I'll talk to her.
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She's based in Johannesburg.
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She grew up in Kenya herself.
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And that is your...
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My aunt.
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And she's married to an environmental lawyer called
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Mark Wood.
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And he defends all these tribes against big oil companies
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and things.
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And he flies around in a little plane by himself.
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Like lands in the middle of nowhere.
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And like he was always fighting water companies.
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So putting pipelines in on tribal land and things.
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And I don't think he slept since 1960.
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He's like.
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I just think that
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life is you feel alive like you're living I
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remember coming back to England and it's such a culture shock coming back like being
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on the tube and you're like what the hell is this this is terrifying like
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we're wrapped in cotton wool but completely powerless over
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all of what happens in our life like there's just noise
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that
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you can't control or there's laws which,
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you know,
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over there everyone just,
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you pay a bribe and get on with it.
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And there's no law,
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I suppose.
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You kind of,
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it's whoever's got the money to pay for stuff.
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You know, we used to have people turn up in the safari camp from the
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government and say,
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the president wants you to pay $500 or whatever to
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have this white woman here because she's taking a job from a Tanzanian,
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even though I wasn't being paid.
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And I was teaching them English and cooking and things like that.
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Was she born out there?
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No.
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My dad was in the army,
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so we just moved around,
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mostly Germany.
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Because my wife,
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she was born out there.
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half Danish,
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her dad was English and met my
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wife's mother in Kenya and he was originally
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part of some military group out there but they were
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hunting some of these kind of groups
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of government
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they were not tribes people but they were sort of militants
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counterculture militants,
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so he'd actually killed quite a few of these people.
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He had a real history.
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And then he became a white hunter,
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you know, the old school.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Taking people around,
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he was killing stuff.
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Back in the 70s.
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They still exist.
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But he turned that around.
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This was when it was okay to do it.
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We realised that,
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you know, he was doing this really sort of calmly and ethically
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and that they were only hunting,
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like, the older animals and stuff.
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And then he started to...
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He stopped doing that obviously when laws changed and things came into effect and actually used to
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sort of protect them and stuff like that.
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Yeah.
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And he,
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yeah,
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he always used to walk around with a snap magnum.
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Yeah.
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And pretty much kill anything.
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And Machete.
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He's died,
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yeah, he died about seven or eight years ago.
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But yeah,
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they sort of met up there.
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Well, I reckon they would have all known each other.
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Oh, yeah.
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And then they'd just drive with no lights in their car and really drunk
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from one bed or party to the next,
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from what I can gather.
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It's interesting,
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I mean, that this whole idea of,
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you know, people,
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society,
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the idea of people being...
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rewilding I find that fascinating I find that really fascinating well I feel like that
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lifestyle is a kind of rewilding because even though it has the human
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perks of things like cars and alcohol and things
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like that it's very
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you feel very much part of the food chain out there literally
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and metaphorically whereas here as humans I
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just feel like we're completely rudderless or
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There's too many forces from different angles stopping you
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from living how you might want to live or
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your body might want to live.
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Everything's so unnatural now over here.
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I mean,
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it's just everything's become,
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you know,
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we're kind of living under a very sort
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of socialist -like government,
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but we're obviously doing that within a really
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sort of hyper...
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That's worse in France,
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apparently.
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Yeah,
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probably.
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And the food is very expensive there too.
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It's probably been better as well.
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But the quality is ten times better.
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But you can also probably grow your own.
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Yeah, with the amount of land you could get,
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you could probably harvest some animals.
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And have chickens.
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And have chickens.
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Whenever my aunt,
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I think like once a month,
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this meat pile arrives on her doorstep from the local hunt.
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So if you let the hunt of the wild boar go over your land,
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you are part of the package of whatever that comes off that.
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But occasionally you can't go outside because you can hear these little tinkling bells.
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And there is like 50 hounds circling your house.
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And they like rip things apart to the death.
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But it's that kind of savagery that,
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I don't know,
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maybe we do,
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I see a lot of phone thefts
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and things,
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and I wonder if that's kind of the same savagery that humans actually
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would have on the Bible.
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Jaguars.
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My phone just swept out of my hand about in February.
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And at first I was like,
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no, I thought, well,
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you know,
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the...
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I mean, the economics right now
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in the world is just,
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it's insane.
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The currency has to be debased just
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literally by the hour.
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And you can't blame,
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and obviously London has a real history of pickpockets dating back hundreds of years.
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I mean, it's not like that's anything.
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It's just a different form of pickpockets,
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isn't it?
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Well,
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I almost quite admire them because they actually...
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You know, they should be Olympic gymnasts.
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If the government had funded their sports education
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and given them a proper focus on...
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I was on his bike and I was just entering a shop and come back from the gym.
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It was really in the morning.
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a wife and say, oh,
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could you get some eggs on the way back or something?
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So I just thought, I'll just check and see,
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you know, just about the door was open to the shop.
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Oh, no. And this bike came past and his hand kind of grabbed the phone.
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And then I looked and I was sort of balancing like super much
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on his bike, his leg back and his phone like this.
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And he had this sort of black kind of superhero mascot looking back and then he managed to get
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back on the things to keep peddling and his things kind of go into his finger.
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And I was just like...
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It's pretty impressive.
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Yeah, and it's like 40 miles an hour.
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When you see that bike whizzing,
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it makes a normal bike look like a sort of dead fly.
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They're absolutely lethal.
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At the end of the day,
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you just go on to another device,
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you can't see that thing.
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They don't try to get into your bank balances
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or anything like that.
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And they're never violent.
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No,
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I mean, they would be violent if you caught one of them and literally really...
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up a decent fight they would probably pull out well they threw my phone back at me because
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it's broken he he he took it and it was so annoying because i never
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i'm so careful and i took it and literally it was banging in my pocket
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and i took it out put it in the other pocket in that time he just completely
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silently like a ballerina chances are though he'd seen you yeah about five
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minutes before yeah yeah because i'd come out of the gym and i'd um
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I just checked my phone.
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I put it in the pocket,
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and that same kid had come cycling past,
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and then he was sort of doing this on his bike a little bit,
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and he kind of sort of looked at me.
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And then I sort of looked back,
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and he'd kind of gone off into one of these estates,
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and I'd walked down the main sort of hackney road.
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I was walking, I was walking,
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walking. And then it was at the shop that I just pulled it out,
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but there was a road here.
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It'd gone through all these estates.
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I'd walked down this road,
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so parallel to this,
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probably about 200 metres.
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like a big block of buildings.
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And he knew that I was going to come out there where those things are.
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So he went that way.
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And then as he saw me walk past,
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he must have been down the street,
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he saw me come past and then went around the corner.
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It'd been really slow.
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And then he sped up just as I was pulling it out.
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So they clock you way before.
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As if you see,
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they're always...
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They're very scheduled in where they do it too.
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Because there's always four exit points.
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And often there's more than one of them.
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And the other three are like...
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blocking or herding the pavement people a little bit and
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I've seen it so many times and people go into a kind of shock afterwards
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they can't believe what's happened and they're like yeah yeah
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at the end of the day I didn't
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realise it was insured anyway you know I don't need the Apple insurance I've got my
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bank has insurance on it I think it's travel insurance
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and it'll give you a new phone and stuff like that I'm surprised they insure anyone's
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phone now
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With all of this.
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So I just called the HSBC and they were like,
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yeah, we'll send you a new pair the next day.
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Jesus.
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And then the iCloud just put in my Apple ID and sucked
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all the stuff into it.
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That's kind of,
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it's almost like scarily easy.
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Yeah.
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I met someone who,
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I remember how he knew this,
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but he said that the Metropolitan Police have an order whenever there's a...
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Land Rover stolen or some of these big massive cars they'll only chase
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so far like the M25 and after that they're like oh we've lost the
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paperwork whatever because it suits them for that car
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to leave our British economy the owner is very likely to replace
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the car with another vehicle of that caliber which
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is more tax more revenue and so it's a bit like the phones
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like no policeman is ever going to chase
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the phone or like and you think you know they
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almost want theft to be high for the
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tax revenue that provides the government well there was an economic
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paper written just before world war ii by i think it was it
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was by a guy his name was second name
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i mean it sounds like butcher or somebody was um vaulted
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Anyway, he wrote a paper about the
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economy being so bad before the Second
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World War, the Great Depression and stuff.
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We had this,

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