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Exciting parties,
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you get to start almost,
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you can use that sort of analogy,
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people start kind of like a village,
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somewhat smaller,
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and it's really important to interrelate,
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get to know everybody,
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and to get to know you as well,
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and you work in that collaborative,
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sort of, smaller context,
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and then as it grows,
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you know, to aim to become the city that will finally be,
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you know, it's full size,
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and you can remember back at the fact that we set the roots,
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you know, we started there,
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and
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that would build the culture upwards.
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The tree, I guess,
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analogy. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, I 100 % believe it.
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It starts in that core,
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you know, the old city,
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I guess, if you will,
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in the town,
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where you're like, that's the heritage.
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That's the tradition,
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you know, and everything sort of radiates from that.
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I'm excited to be part of that.
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And how do you embed well -being into those routes to ensure that it's sustainable?
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You've already heard part of my secret sauce,
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I guess, in that regard was I think it's fundamental that when I'm working with the teams,
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the pastoral team,
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I guess, more specifically,
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that generally looks after well -being in the direct way,
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but obviously the teachers as well,
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it's very important and fundamental that you talk to the staff and
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work on investment.
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knowing your kids very well obviously the simplest way when a parent
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walks in and having even a ptc or a counter outside you know when they're wondering
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about you see them and you know that child in terms of like what their strengths and
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weaknesses are it's a it's a change in them yeah we need
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to be talking to each other so the staff needs to be you know we need to be
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We have models where you sit together as a pastoral team,
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and you need to build those systems and those models where the teams meet to talk about
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the kids, to talk about everything that they acquire about them.
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So even if it's just a random conversation with another kid who's their friend,
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and they say,
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well, look, you know, I met with Jimmy,
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and he told me that,
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you know, Billy was struggling with X and Y,
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or he was, something's happening.
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You use all that,
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and then you decide as a team,
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like, what's the best way?
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So sometimes it's behind the scenes,
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the kid will never know.
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that you've gone and done something to make sure,
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so just keeping an eye on them sometimes,
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just making sure that you're like,
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look, I know there's some troubles going on at the moment,
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can we make sure that we've got that assessment coming up,
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can we just, you know,
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massaging it,
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so there's all of that that goes on,
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but that's systemic,
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you have to build that system and get people familiar with.
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Having those meetings,
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what's the purpose of them,
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being very clear about the agenda there.
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And it's largely about the kids.
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How do you do that?
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And this is one of the ways that you do that.
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What's well -being mean to you?
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Oh,
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so I want the kids to be,
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you know, the simple things that I work with the parents in terms of the...
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feedback that you get year after year and there's two things that come up all the time the top two all
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the parents will say it it's a bit vague the first one but it says I want my child to be happy and
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then the second one is I want to do well excellent success it's measured in different ways it could be
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trophies on the mantelpiece grades you know I want them to
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go to this uni or I want them to get this much money because I want to be rich whatever it is they have their
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metrics of success our part is to ensure the second part is the excellence
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and the success is to ensure that the kids are obviously successful in terms of the academic journey because
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We are stepping so next in terms of the next phase of their life.
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So that's an aspect of well -being that is,
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for me, non -compromising and non -negotiable,
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really. And then the other half is the happy part.
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They're different,
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right? Well -being and happiness.
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They overlap.
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They can overlap.
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Some kids find a lot of joy in getting that trophy.
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Success can become part of your happiness.
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But it can be ephemeral,
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too. Real happiness comes from being very well -centered
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in yourself.
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and being able to express yourself and not feeling vulnerable or wounded
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in the process of doing that.
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And that comes from creating a culture of care.
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Culture of care,
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investment.
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Again, I come back to the same things.
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I don't think it's local science.
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I come back to investment in the child,
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knowing about them,
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spending time with them,
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seeing them for who they are and recognising that and building those relationships
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with the kids.
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And it's very fundamental with the teachers.
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Over the years, you've asked me for 20 plus years that I've been in education.
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I think the,
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when you get the,
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I call them the year 14s.
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They are edgy.
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I've only been,
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since four I've been teaching.
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Clearly.
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I think when I get the alumni come back,
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I call them the year 14,
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year 15, the returners.
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And they always come back.
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I always look at who they gravitate to.
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So they'll come and say hello to me.
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I've been there a long time usually.
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But then I see who you've seen.
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And you know the teachers that they'll gravitate to are the ones that do this.
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The ones that have invested in them,
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that see them,
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that care for them in that way.
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And the kids just come back because they want that almost metaphoric embrace again.
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They just want to feel like when I was back in school three years ago,
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I just want that little hug again.
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It's so true.
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And do you think...
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It's the same with parenting,
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by the way.
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It's not much different.
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Yeah,
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it's true.
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Yeah, I know.
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If you're absent and if you're not engaged with your child and you know
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them or you...
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Sometimes some of the most damaging aspects of the child's upbringing can be
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where the child feels like they have to meet an ideal
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that a parent has set in their head instead of seeing the actual child in front of you.
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And there's that mismatch and there's that pressure then to conform to a
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standard that a parent has.
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You find that the child struggles.
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So sometimes you have to work with the parents too about can we see
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the child in front of us rather than the speculative child you would like to have and that can be a difficult conversation.
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It's so important and there's no lessons for that.
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Is there in school of how parenting should look like?
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It's only now I'm a new mum so looking at the right and I question
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everything and being present.
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And it's okay to make mistakes on both parts and the apologies and all those
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kind of things.
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I feel you can as a school.
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There is a part we can play.
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We don't have full control over the familial and currently sitting.
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But when you have the coffee mornings and the evenings,
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you can be quite upfront about this and make them at least...
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Yeah.
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And the fact that they know you know that you have put
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this flag in the sand and said,
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well, we kind of stand here on this and you show them what it leads to,
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maybe then it helps them see.
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Yeah. Interesting.
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Hi.
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And to have you,
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where can I see well -being in the design of the school?
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Do you have breakout spaces outside?
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No, you missed the first part.
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I mean, I'll show you very quickly.
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Yeah, please.
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Step back.
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One second,
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we're coming back.
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Hello.
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So this is primary,
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but pretty much everywhere is the same.
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We were talking about this before.
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The corridors are huge and wide.
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The size of it, yeah.
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And,
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you know, one of the questions you might have is just like a waste of space because it's just for the passageway.
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But actually,
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this is what the furniture people are here for.
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We have populated it with sort
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of asymmetrical furniture.
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So it is a play and socialisation in a communal area for the kids.
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So when it's too hot,
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you know, if they can't go out that way,
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they can go out this way.
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And so we can also enter it,
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we're walking through and stuff.
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And I find,
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in my current context,
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I find this is the most powerful part,
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where I'm walking through,
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and it'll be the same upstairs,
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secondary, campus,
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similar.
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So you'll walk through and you'll be like,
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hi, what are you doing?
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How are you doing?
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And you have little chats,
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a little bit of banter,
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having a sandwich,
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I'm having a sandwich.
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You talk about stuff,
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they tell you the fads,
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and you build a relationship.
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And the space is designed specifically for this reason too.
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allow the kids to sort of interrelate with each other,
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but also us,
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without having to always be outside.
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I mean, we wanted to be outside.
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Oh, he did in the classroom,
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and rigid,
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it's that flow of extended learning or socialisation that's really
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important.
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So at the moment,
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we're working on building those systems.
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My colleagues and I,
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we're a new team.
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push towards the talent community and making sure that we're strategic into more different systems and approaches
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that we want to put into place.
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So I can't give you any tips right now,
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but you can see from our ethos and the systems that we all come from.
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And we're going to try and lean and bring some of these into the schools.
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There will definitely be things that,
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the top things that you hear from every other place,
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like the extracurricular engagement,
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the co -curricular engagement,
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the wider sort of opportunities that the kids have to sort of flex and express themselves.
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All of those will be part of the school too.
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But in terms of other small systems,
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I'm right now,
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again,
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maybe don't quote me on it,
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but right now my big focus is resilience.
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So I'm very big on looking at things that erode.
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and compromise a child's ability to face adversity whether that's like i didn't do well
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in the test or whatever i got rejected from you know whatever it is i find that as
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reviews go on they become less and less able to tolerate anything that's
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alone yes and
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i can point to things that i think are to blame and which we need to work on which
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is what we were talking about yesterday actually um like everybody points at social media and
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things but i think
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screen time and that living in that digital world is not always helpful.
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It is a tool and a useful tool,
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sure.
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But I also feel that if you can get the kids back into a physical environment where
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there is, I call it resistance.
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So it takes more effort to be out in a
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social setting than to be at home on a device and just sending
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messages out into the ether.
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And then you get like light.
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That's not actually like,
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if I disagree with you,
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I'll see it on your face.
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Or you'll see it on my face.
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And then you have to negotiate and navigate that.
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So sometimes you end up in those situations that are challenging.
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It's good for your development.
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So just thinking,
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I'm right all the time.
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So it's little things like this.
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And I think that will come from,
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obviously, the way we try and build the school in terms of what we do with springtime.
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I was going to ask,
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that's my next question.
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What we do in terms of how the students see their world.
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So creating opportunities for the kids to be more physically active.
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So one of the chats we had the other day was...
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more active book work where there is resistance and again research after
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research is constantly showing kids that do the working out or actually write their flashcards
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have better learning opportunities than the ones who just inherit AI generated
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or pre -made or whatever it is in that sense because you're active
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in the process of learning the friction part your brain is wrestling
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with it and navigating
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Are you a scientist? Sorry? Are you a scientist?
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By training, I guess by training I'm a humanist.
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English was my first and then I moved into history as well.
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But my current,
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I guess, big area of expertise is core,
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IB core.
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Diploma core,
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so theory of knowledge,
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extended essay.
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You might know I wrote some of the books for,
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maybe you don't know.
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Oh, do not tell me,
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tell me.
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I published the OUP University Press and I worked on
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the extended essay course companions,
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the IB, and before that I worked on the TOK.
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So I've done the two E1s,
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the previous spec and the current spec.
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It's just come out.
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And before that it was TOK.
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So I'm very big on core.
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And a lot of my reading involves critical thinking.
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And I'm very big on getting the kids to critically evaluate,
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not ask them,
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not just learn stuff like I know what.
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you know the atomic weight of hydrogen is and whatever it needs
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to learn that as well but also evaluating how you know that critical aspects
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and how knowledge is held i think is a very important thing so when they're you're
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talking before about the manners when you see something coming from
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you know, like a simple thing.
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Look at the background of the person speaking to you on YouTube and look what they're wearing
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and the way they're speaking.
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Does it come across in a professional or a learner?
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So you can almost use it to think,
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this might make me raise some questions,
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but I want to talk about that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're a really interesting person to talk to.
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I can talk a lot,
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by the way.
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I'm very passionate about education.
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I can tell,
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I can tell.
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But it's the skills of education.
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you can teach maths you can teach science you teach more than
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that yeah yeah which is important it's asking the questions why i've
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been really good with this because it kind of compels stuff to do the the top part
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of the theory the critical thinking stuff like we know this but how
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do we know it why do we hold those positions do we hold them with certainty what makes us
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certain and again it fits with the idea this way you can have difference of opinion and still be
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right it's just understanding another big word right now like i might
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not
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agree with you but I understand where you're coming from yeah
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And understanding comes from at least spending the time listening and learning about
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other positions.
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I do that with my four -year -old.
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I don't agree with you that you don't want to put your pyjamas on,
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but I understand you're upset,
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but it's bedtime.
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But if I'm really honest,
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maybe I was taught critical thinking in school.
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It was,
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even in my degree,
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I don't think it was a huge focus,
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and it should have been.
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It wasn't until my master's when I was like,
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ah, right,
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okay, this is a key part of my studies,
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but also it's a life skill.
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The fact that you're talking about it so early on in education.
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I'll give you something you want to talk about.
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So, MYP,
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DAP, obviously,
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but I don't know if we're allowed to still talk about it.
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I don't know if we're openly about our IB schools because there's rules.
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But, you know, we're a candidate school,
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so that's good.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Part of the ethos will be this idea of vertically aligning curriculums.
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It's important to see that what they have to do at the end.
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So, you were talking about Masters.
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So, let's imagine your diploma is kind of like...
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where you suddenly have to write your extended essay or create an internal assessment coursework
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where you have to research.
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You have to come up with a question.
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So you think,
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great opportunities to critically evaluate and think for yourself,
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right?
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But how do you get the kids to do that?
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How do they get to the point where they're trained and skilled enough
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to do that?
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And so the key is to do it vertically aligned.
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So that in Year 7,
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let's say, I might...
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Grade 6,
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I might say to the students,
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right,
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here are a series of questions about whatever you call it,
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Battle of Hastings,
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whatever it is, whatever the content is,
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or the periodic table.
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And you say to them,
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which question do you think is better than the other one?
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So you get them to start thinking about what makes good questions.
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And then in grade seven or year eight,
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you start to go,
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okay, I'm going to give you a couple of questions,
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but then I want you to come up with,
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using those as examples,
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and I want you to come up with one of your own as well.
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And then you assess that,
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you give them feedback on their question.
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And so you build up their ability to...
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compose, write,
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and evaluate your research type of person.
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Because guess what?
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They're going to need it at a diploma.
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They're going to need it at uni.
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Yeah.
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But also as a teacher,
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the biggest change in my pedagogy was when I did higher order
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thinking, higher level questioning,
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assessment for learning,
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and then all of a sudden these kids' vocabulary and understanding completely changed
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again.
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So it's important.
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My last question for you is,
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what do you think some of the challenges are going to be for the next generation of learners?
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Navigating AI and their relationship with AI in terms of how
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integral it is to their learning.
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In other words, I don't want it to ever be a substitute for friction,
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for learning and grafting and doing the work yourself.
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It shouldn't just be I've learned how to compose a
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prompt and it spits out an answer and I just passively
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accept the answer.
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I think there's no friction there and therefore there's limited learning.
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So I think one of the greatest dangers is navigating back into their learning.
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I think also the ability to resilience
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and navigating social media and what it means to be,
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well,
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what it means to your own identity,
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like finding your voice and not being afraid or having to conform or feeling like
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you need to do.
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There is an element of,
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
you know, society always tries to get you to conform to certain models that we want to follow the rules,
15:34
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
of course.
15:34
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Yeah, you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
drive on the right side.
15:36
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
But there is an element where we also need that creativity and that individuality to come
15:40
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
out.
15:40
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
I don't think that should be suppressed.
15:41
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
And navigating some of those things,
15:43
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
because I do see very heavy influential trends out
15:47
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
there that the kids don't have the resistance to pushing back on.
15:51
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
So I think those,
15:53
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
for me, right now...
15:54
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
What happened?
15:56
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Oh,
15:57
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
no, it's done full hard.
15:59
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
I've seen this before.
16:00
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
It would drop off and it took ages to get it out.
16:02
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Is it James?
16:04
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Oh,
16:05
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
no.
16:09
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Shall I take a picture of you?
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S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Blooper.
16:12
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Really interesting to speak to.
16:16
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
This
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
is me now cringing.
16:21
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
James has run over a painting
16:25
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
and his car is stuck on it.
16:28
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
What
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
are you working on?
16:32
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
I'm interested to hear that.
16:35
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
their own little ecosystems and it will tend to be that he'll probably have a lot of male
16:39
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
friends for example it is important for them to have good role modeling in terms of sometimes
16:43
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
what is socially expected okay what is social you know
16:47
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
there are expectations of them and I don't want you never want them
16:51
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
to think like you know I need to be you know the theory that I need to
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
always be strong and perfect
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
And unbroken.
16:59
S… Speaker 2 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
And this is what a man is like.
17:00
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
It's more important for a male,
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
sometimes a male,
17:02
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
to tell the kids it's not about being unbroken,
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
it's about not staying broken.
17:06
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
Yes.
17:06
S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
And picking yourself back up.
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
And those things sometimes help boys,
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S… Speaker 1 (Audio_06_04_2026_10_42_45)
yes.

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