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40 years, maybe it's 41 at this stage.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I'd seen on the website there was different gigs,
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you know, there was like an anniversary tour,
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and I saw in Dublin you're doing a night celebrating the Mother album
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as well, so I thought,
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it seems like there's a few irons in the fire,
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S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Liam,
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this year, which looks interesting.
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S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah,
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yeah, well,
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you know, I mean...
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Everyone has a...
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We have a bunch of different stories attached to the
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ultimate story.
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Or,
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you know, different chapters or different headings.
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And I think most of those kind
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of chapters or title headings are,
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you know,
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just...
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a promoter's way of of just giving a title
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to the to the show like we're for us it's a gig yeah
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and you know and i it nudges like we
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did we were concentrating on home and people a little bit more um
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on the last tour and uh that
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nudged us to to learn a few you know to to
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look
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to look at a few songs that we hadn't done much at all.
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And that's nice.
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But, I mean, in general,
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it's not like we sit down and go,
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OK, 40 years,
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let's do this,
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let's do this.
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That usually comes just from a promoter saying,
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hey, why don't we call it this and why do we do this and that?
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S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Yeah, of course.
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I mean,
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looking back,
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I remember I was...
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It's school and I was chatting with a friend of mine who moved over to Wexford,
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actually, in the school days.
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But it was such a rich time for music,
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you know, because I remember a big record for us was Rattle
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and Hum.
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It wasn't a big one for the critics,
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but we certainly liked it.
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And, you know,
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there was obviously Yourselves were happening.
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The Pokes had been around a few years.
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Now, it seems today younger people are getting into...
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traditional music in their own way.
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But for maybe my generation,
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we experienced certainly in bands like yourselves
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and you too,
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because we wouldn't have been getting a lot of traditional
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music elsewhere at that point,
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if that makes sense,
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Liam. But what was it like for you as a band at that time?
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Were you kind of always brought up in those influences?
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S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Well,
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so my first taste of performing
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was
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actually was traditional music my dad taught me to sing and
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he'd get us down to sing when there'd be people back in the house um
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and then then i got into competing and that
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was really exciting and you know you learned craft you learned
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or you just learned what it meant to present yourself in
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front of a bunch of people and
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then of course here in ireland yeah
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the presence of traditional music has always been consistent always
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and sometimes it gets popular
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and flavorsome and you know you'll see it on the media and
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you'll see and there's a lot of new bands and there's generations of
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amazing musicians and some of them some of them go for the bright
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lights and some of them
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just just continue playing and that's
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the amazing thing about it it's a potter's wheel of
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of culture and then of course in the 80s as
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well like yeah as you say Rattle and Home was a very special I
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felt it was a very cultural album that they really did reach out
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to to the roots music and
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they did it very gracefully and very I thought
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it was brilliant some amazing song it was and
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somehow somehow the media didn't take to it
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and
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And it,
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unfortunately,
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I don't know,
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I think, did they believe that or something?
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But it was great,
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yeah. Rattle Home was really special.
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The album especially.
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And we were touring and we'd be listening
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a lot to that.
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And occasionally,
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you know, like they launched,
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the movie was launched in New
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York when we were there.
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So we got to get a taste of...
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of their life there.
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And they did some,
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it probably would be a regret and I don't really know why it didn't happen,
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but they were going to Harlem to film a video
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and they did
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it in the Apollo Theatre,
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the famous Apollo Theatre.
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S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Ah, yeah,
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yes.
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I'm sorry.
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invite us to go along and I think we had to travel somewhere so
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we couldn't sort of fit it in but I would have loved to have been
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at that they've always been great extending
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the hand of friendship you know yeah it's always been
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great but anyway yeah so just you
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know but the other thing I wanted to say was that real world came
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And Paul Simon came with Graceland.
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Ah, yes,
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that's right.
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And that opened up the colonial
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Eurocentric world to the
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music everywhere else.
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You know, first of all,
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Africa, and then everywhere else as well.
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Suddenly there was Turkish.
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And then,
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of course, the presence of all of
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those cultures in...
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in say the UK,
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in England,
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Scotland, Wales,
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the presence of the Indian communities,
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the Pakistani communities,
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the West Indian communities,
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all adding to this incredible mixing part,
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as they've always been doing,
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really, you know,
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especially the Caribbean influence on
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music since...
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the wind rush and the return or the arrival
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of the Jamaican and Caribbean communities
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to England and the rest of that
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island.
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Yes.
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But yeah,
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Real World then kind of pointed the light at
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all of these other places.
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Meanwhile, you too was...
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was having their conspiracy conspiracy of hope
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tour they were involved in that that's right so
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there was great energy towards waking people up
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yeah and that had a big influence on on all of us i think at
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that time yeah yeah
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We toured in Australia for the first time back then
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in 1990,
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I think it was,
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or 89 actually it might be.
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But we met,
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we then were exposed to the living
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culture of the Aboriginal world,
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which is like,
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goes from God knows how long,
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I don't know, it was 20,
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40 ,000 years.
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to contemporary,
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amazing contemporary music like Yotto Yindi and Bart
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Willoughby.
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mixed relations,
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coloured stone,
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a lot of great artists down there.
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And that formed a huge part of my framework.
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Yeah.
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What music means and what it can
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mean. Do you know,
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I wanted to ask you,
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a few years later,
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you know, Songs from the Rain,
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I think it's kind of took me a while to figure it out,
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but I think that was almost a...
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We're probably too young to realise it,
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but what we liked about Rattle and Hum,
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I've only recently realised,
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you know, that Songs from the Rain's a bit of a continuation.
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It was really my wife that turned me on to it.
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She's a church minister here,
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and she was outside cutting the grass,
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and she said,
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put on Songs for the Rain,
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and I was listening to it in a new way,
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and I thought,
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gosh, what a fantastic record.
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But I was surprised to read the record didn't do great for
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you. But when I listen to it now,
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you know,
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I think there's so much on it,
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you know, on emotional time.
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Good for you.
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I mean,
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fantastic record,
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Liam, and it seems like you are carrying that forward.
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Whatever it was that I liked about Rattlin' Hum,
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I was too young to articulate it,
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I think. You've brought it forward a few years later on a
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bit of a natural journey,
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I think, but maybe again a bit like Rattlin' Hum,
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which has never been reissued,
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which surprises me.
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Maybe people didn't catch on to it in the same way.
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Yeah,
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well...
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I meet more people who name that record than
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any other.
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You
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know, I think it's
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hard
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not to, especially if you've been used to getting it.
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But I think,
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to be honest,
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I think if you're into what you do,
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just get on with what you do.
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And I would definitely say,
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yeah,
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that probably is...
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an album where I found an
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authentic voice in how I delivered
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a song.
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And I felt like there was a few questions
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and a few answers that came in the songs that I was very,
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very happy with.
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And there were other songs that didn't make that album that I'm
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also very happy with.
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I mean, you may know now that we...
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that we,
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there's a box set that we re -released,
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or that we released,
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and it's a re -release of all the albums that
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got London back,
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but also I think it's got like three
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CDs of other tracks,
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and some of them I honestly thought they were hits,
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and I, you know,
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to this day I'd kind of go,
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why the fuck didn't that?
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get on the record but you're dealing with the democracy or you're
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dealing with with five people and you're
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dealing with with producer and a enorm person
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and record companies and board
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meetings and stuff who all have opinions we were lucky in
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a way that i suppose we managed to make records
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that we were happy with.
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You know, we are genuinely,
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really proud of what we've done.
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And we still gig now.
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We're in an independent band.
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And we still gig,
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we still play all those songs.
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We don't write a set list.
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So,
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you know,
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it allows for,
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if somebody suddenly thinks,
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well,
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you know, it'll be just really perfect now.
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And we launch into a song that we know,
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but that we never have rehearsed.
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So therefore, it gets a life of
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its own,
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actually.
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Yeah.
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There's no predictability to it.
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I was going to ask you that because I thought,
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a bit like Van Morrison,
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you seem to exist outside the industry.
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Van seems now to write and record quite regularly
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but put them out on his own label and he tours and he seems very happy
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with that.
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I think he does one interview a year now.
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I've been fortunate enough to speak to him over the years and
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I kind of like that when a band has the opportunity to get free
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of the system and really find out who they are.
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Is that pretty much how you operate now,
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Liam? And was being in the industry in comparison not good for
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the Hothouse Flowers,
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if that makes sense?
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It's a good question.
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I saw a documentary about
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two major
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producers coming together.
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They decided to create a record label who...
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He's the biggest hip -hop producer there is.
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There was the guy who worked
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with U2, wasn't there?
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And he worked in hip -hop.
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Yeah.
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Jimmy Iovine,
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is it?
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Is it him?
13:22
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I think it's Jimmy Iovine.
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And then he hooked up with,
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who was the guy out of Compton?
13:28
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Was it Dr.
13:28
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Dre, I think?
13:29
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Dr.
13:30
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Dre, yeah.
13:30
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Yeah, that's it.
13:31
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So I thought that was a fascinating documentary.
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because well at one point it
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was just the point that they made is that if you've got an artist you
13:47
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give them everything to make
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S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
that record and and to make that record as bad as
13:56
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well as as good as it has to be you know
14:00
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you won't know how what a record is like until
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it's out yeah
14:06
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And that,
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I think, is what is a little bit upsetting about
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how the industry has been to certain
14:16
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people where they try and make sure
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that the record is brilliant.
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That's impossible.
14:24
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
And what's not good about a record is what's
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good about it.
14:29
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
It's like the lines on somebody's face that make
14:33
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the face...
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give the face character it's like the shape of a rock that makes a or
14:39
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a mountain that you know or that you
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you you allow something because a good
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artist whether they're whether they're a composer a rock band punk
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S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
band reggae band choir uh
14:56
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sculpture
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they're not really making something they're allowing something come
15:04
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into life i think and and you just
15:08
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you know there's a kind of an inner compass that
15:12
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says okay i think we've got it i think i think we've got
15:16
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it now yeah and nobody really except the individual
15:20
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can can
15:24
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genuinely know when that moment is but
15:29
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Having said that,
15:30
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I also think that I'm all for a record to be
15:35
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made in a day,
15:35
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you know?
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S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Just get the sound right.
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And go.
15:42
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That's right.
15:43
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah.
15:43
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Well,
15:44
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
you know, I was speaking to David Bowie's drummer,
15:47
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Woody, and he said that that was Bowie's philosophy,
15:50
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
get it done and go.
15:51
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
But in the context of that,
15:54
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Liam, there was one question I wanted to ask you because he was talking about that
15:58
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
rise he had with...
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with Boy and the Spiders from Mars.
16:02
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And I was looking at your early history,
16:04
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
you know, and you were influenced by punk.
16:07
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
You had a female singer,
16:08
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Marie Doyle Kennedy at one point,
16:10
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
and then you were busking.
16:12
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Now, I was looking around from about 85 up to when,
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S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
you know, you signed to mother and that kind of thing.
16:17
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
But there must have been a tremendous energy around the band and different
16:21
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choices to make because there's so many types of music being absorbed.
16:26
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
There's an energy,
16:27
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
I think, on the streets of Dublin.
16:28
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
I get that impression.
16:29
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
And so many people are coming to see you in the
16:34
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
guise of the buskers now.
16:35
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Was it right that Dylan came and Van Morrison and all these sort
16:39
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
of people?
16:40
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Is that right?
16:40
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Took an interest in
16:44
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us, all right.
16:45
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
We met Dylan a few times,
16:46
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
but no,
16:47
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I don't think he came to see us.
16:49
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Not that I know of,
16:51
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
anyway. But Van was around.
16:53
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Van showed up a couple of times.
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It was really...
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It was very special.
16:58
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He really did take an interest and there was a little bit of talk of
17:03
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maybe even doing something together.
17:04
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But,
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you know, I'll always remember that he,
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that we actually,
17:12
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well, I think it was Songs from the Rain.
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And we booked
17:19
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a day in the studio in a rehearsal space.
17:24
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah.
17:25
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
But we just ended up sitting,
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I think,
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in a corridor listening to the
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demo of Songs from the Rain.
17:34
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Right.
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S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
And it's like,
17:37
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
you know,
17:39
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
you'd imagine somebody like Van
17:43
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
kind of going,
17:44
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
I'm not sitting here listening to a faking demo.
17:47
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah.
17:49
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
but he did he sat and listened to song after song after
17:54
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
song and that's he literally sat down with us for an hour and
17:58
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
listened and just kind of there was no major conversation
18:02
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
no major no major um observations
18:08
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
or anything but there was an affirmative kind of nod and
18:13
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
uh and then we just saw he was sort of he was thinking about
18:18
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
having an angle to see if there was an angle because he'd
18:21
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
He'd had that huge success with the Chieftains.
18:23
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah,
18:24
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
great record,
18:25
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
yeah. And that really,
18:27
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you know, and he said,
18:28
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challenge, I need a challenge,
18:30
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you know, challenge,
18:31
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challenge.
18:32
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So we talked about maybe doing like a bilingual
18:36
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type of project,
18:38
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
you know, see how he'd handled the Irish language.
18:41
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah.
18:42
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
But then,
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you know, the roads brought us in different directions.
18:50
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And that was it.
18:51
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But yeah, so Songs From The Rain,
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you see,
18:56
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I think also we had unfortunately stepped
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into a time where,
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and we'd stepped into a label that
19:07
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they kind of maybe saw a
19:11
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band as a disposable kind of an entity rather than something
19:16
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that you look after.
19:16
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And they did look after us and,
19:20
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you know, there was friendships there.
19:24
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But London Records kind of took a band and they
19:28
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
were fixing it before it needed fixing.
19:31
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There were,
19:32
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you know,
19:33
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
it would be assumption that a band needed to be fixed
19:37
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or needed to be enhanced.
19:39
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And so there
19:44
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
was a little bit,
19:45
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
but as I said,
19:46
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we did manage to make good records,
19:48
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but I think the third record...
19:52
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
As you said,
19:52
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it was a very good record,
19:54
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but I think they were starting to look elsewhere to...
20:00
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i think with the i think ah you know i think
20:04
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
it's it's also like the cover of that record i i
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i wanted i had
20:13
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a certain desire as to what the cover should have been like and and
20:18
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and i then i changed my mind and and then there was like they had booked
20:22
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
somebody who'd actually done the rem cover to come
20:26
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over and work with me on the cover and um
20:32
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I think that little bit of bumpy,
20:36
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bumpiness,
20:37
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and then my dad passed away and I decided I
20:41
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needed to take a break from the band.
20:45
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I needed to take a break from the business,
20:48
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take a break from just
20:52
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all of these different forces having
20:57
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a say in my life.
21:01
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You know, when you've lost somebody and you need to reflect,
21:04
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I felt I needed to get away.
21:06
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
This train needed us to pull in.
21:10
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The boat needed fixing.
21:11
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And then we came back.
21:14
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We made one more album.
21:16
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And it's another good album.
21:19
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
It's quite different from the first three because...
21:22
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We don't have Jerry and Leo with us anymore.
21:25
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Yes.
21:25
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
And we got quite into the loop world.
21:30
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And up until then,
21:33
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we didn't touch a synthesizer.
21:35
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Everything we used was more vintage,
21:39
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like Hammond organ,
21:41
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Bender Rhodes,
21:42
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electric piano.
21:43
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
There was no synths because that was the one thing I noticed.
21:48
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
that you get a band with pretty good songs.
21:52
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Yeah.
21:53
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
But around that time,
21:55
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
a lot of bands were just sounding the same.
21:57
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Their brass sound was the same.
21:59
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And it was like they were using the same synths and the
22:03
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same sequencers and the same...
22:05
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So the pitch that I put to when
22:10
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we were making our first record was that the one thing about us is that we don't want
22:14
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to use synthesizers at all.
22:18
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Yeah.
22:19
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
And that did.
22:20
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
We stood out then.
22:22
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
Yeah,
22:23
S… Speaker 2 (260525_0480)
yeah.
22:23
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
You know, when our album came out,
22:26
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it didn't sound like anything else because we weren't using
22:30
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anything else.
22:32
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
Yeah, yeah.
22:33
S… Speaker 1 (260525_0480)
And that was good.
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You know, I was kind of pleased.

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