Mississauga_Part_2

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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Same things.
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Air pollution,
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sound pollution.
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We're talking about water,
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how it may affect water,
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how it may affect wildlife,
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how it may affect the overall community.
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So when I brought this up to many people who have,
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you know.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
A lot of stocks in AI tech companies,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
mind you,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
working at an AI tech company,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
we are given RSUs,
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equity, we're given stocks,
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we're given so many options throughout the year,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
which, you know,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
as someone who has a couple myself,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I would love for them to go up,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but not at the cost of my own neighbors or my own city.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So that would be the reason for why a lot of VPs,
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even if they could benefit,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
would not want in their own neighborhood.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Everybody wants to dig for gold.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
They don't want to dig for it in their own backyard.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Salman, thank you.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
One of our counselors just said everybody wants to go to heaven and no
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
one wants to die.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I thought that was profound.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Got to laugh anyway.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay,
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
thank you very much for your interest and thanks for being here today.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We're going to Bushra Ashgar.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Also?
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Hi
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there.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Welcome.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Go
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
ahead, Bushra.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Can you hear me?
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We can.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Please proceed.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Perfect.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Sorry.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Good afternoon,
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Mayor Parrish and members of council.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
My name is Bashar Esker.
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I'm a Ward 10 resident.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Like many folks who spoke today,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I grew up in Mississauga and Erin Mills.
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have lived a big chunk of my life in Streetsville.
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I was raised in the city and it's like a place where my family
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still calls home.
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I'm here to support Council Reid's
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motion today for a year -long pause on digital infrastructure
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so that our city can take the moment.
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to build the frameworks and guardrails we currently don't have,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
as echoed by a lot of folks that spoke today,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
not just our city,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but our provincial government or federal government.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
This is an exciting moment.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We're kind of at a precipice of a moment of transformation
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that will be looked upon for probably
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generations.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I think after hearing many people speak,
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what we're weighing right now is whether a pause is worth the legal risk
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or the reputational cost that the council will have to burden.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I argue that this moment requires
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a dramatic tool to be used.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
It requires...
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public agencies to be given time because
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I think if you're not hearing from them,
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it's because they actually haven't had a moment to put things together.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I think people en masse need time to
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figure out the impacts of this.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
This is kind of personal for me.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
My parents are old,
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they're seniors,
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they're on fixed income.
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My mom is disabled.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Every year their taxes go up and my siblings
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and I are supporting them.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We're watching basically the impact
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of...
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infrastructure like this being built elsewhere and how it's impacting
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
everyday residents,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
whether it's utility bills.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I know that for my family,
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this isn't an abstract debate.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I'm here.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I've spent the last five hours here away from work to be able to say that this could
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be the difference between my family staying in their home where my parents have lived.
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for years or losing it because they just can't keep up with the
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rising cost.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We've seen groceries in the last five years go up by 30%.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The economic returns are not trickling down to everyday
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people.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Youth unemployment remains skyrocketing in
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
this province.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
That's what I work on in my day job.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
This infrastructure is not going to be solving it,
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especially when the person representing the company just said
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that it would create only 63%.
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63 jobs.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We've also seen that similar facilities have
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kind of had a pattern where this industry is
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saying that it would create an X amount of jobs at the
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moment of applications,
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but oftentimes they revise the job estimates
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downwards after the approval has been made.
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There is a widely known case
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where I think it was
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facility where they actually decreased the jobs that were created
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by 80 % once the deal was secured.
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So I would encourage folks to ask hard
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questions about what happens to that number afterwards,
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especially if the company publicly is only saying that they would create 63
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jobs today.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Another piece that I would want to focus on is just sort of,
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S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
you know,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I studied political science for seven years.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I ran in the last federal election.
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I talked to thousands of people.
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The cost of living.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And jobs are a huge issue right now.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I don't think that creating
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or supporting this one -year pause in the form
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
of this ICBL is going to create the reputational risk
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
that council thinks that it would.
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Mississauga will always remain an attractive place
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for investment because of our proximity to Toronto,
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because we're one of the biggest...
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cities in in the country and because of the hard -working residents like
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
all those president president and counsel today I
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would like to focus on this like democratic erosion that
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I think everyone you know is Sort of clocking
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to some degree globally in our own communities where people don't believe anything
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That's one of the reasons why I would press for some kind of
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a binding
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
rule like the ICBL to be taken on rather than just like a trust me bro vibes
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
thing that like you know for example Bill 40 was spoken
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
about okay I'm out of my time but yeah
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
thank you so much for hearing me out okay thank
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
you I don't see any questions but I want to ask staff a question we
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
seem to be wandering into jurisdictions that have nothing to do with the city
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Could the commissioner tell me,
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
for drafting an ICBL,
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
does it have to do with what our jurisdiction is or does it get into youth unemployment
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
or any other subject,
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which all are very serious?
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Through the mayor,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
thank you for that question.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I do agree.
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This issue is so layered from
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a federal,
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provincial,
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and municipal level,
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and so the conversation has been really great,
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and I think some of that should actually feed into the Bill 40
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environmental,
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whatever it's called,
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engagement piece,
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because there's a lot of good information here.
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Unfortunately,
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like an ICBL,
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it really just hones in on the land use issues.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
It's the zoning.
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So what would be helpful today,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I think,
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is really focusing on land use issues.
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That's things like setbacks from residential,
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the water,
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those kind of very technical pieces.
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That's really what the municipality can do.
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can deal with and when you do an icbl it's really what you're
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saying is there's something wrong with the zoning and
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we need to explore the zoning to understand how
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we can make it better that's really what icbl is doing it's not
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looking at a broader policy piece that's really what the
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the federal government and the um
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a provincial government would do.
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I will say councils adopted our economic development
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strategy,
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which from a policy perspective,
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the economic development strategy that's been approved actually supports
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this because it's recognized as an important infrastructure
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for businesses.
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So that's the policy side,
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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but it's not binding.
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direction from council so if the conversation
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continues i think we really need to focus on the
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things the municipality control and those are the land use pieces okay if
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
i could just clarify that for the next couple of presenters so what you want to hear
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is issues like it's too close to
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housing it's not zoned correctly
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what we can do to fix that,
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how much water usage.
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And I think when we had the meeting in March,
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you actually had a concern about water,
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storm water on the property.
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I don't think our audience is aware of all those intricacies.
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But if we're
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going to do...
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a policy or a draft,
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an ICBL,
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is going to have to strictly stick to that,
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
or can it include any of these other concerns?
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
To you, Madam Mayor,
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the actual crafting of the zoning bylaw wouldn't get into the list of issues.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
It would need to define what a large data
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infrastructure facility is,
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and it would need to specify what zones we're doing
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the pause on.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So we would list the zones very specifically.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And then the study would follow.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The scope of the study is for us to determine.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The scope could go into all these other issues,
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but the ICBL can't?
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Correct.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and just for me,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I'm not well -versed in all this stuff.
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What's the difference?
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People keep talking about IA data centers.
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My understanding is this is a cloud data center.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
What's the difference?
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
It's really what it's being used for.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We would not get into those specific definitions,
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I don't think,
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and certainly for the ICBL,
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
it would be more about data storage and processing.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And then we would likely,
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
though, have to have a size component because the
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motion before us uses the word large.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So we want to capture a certain size that could be large,
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
whether it's 10 megawatts or another definition.
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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We will refine that definition over the next few months.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay,
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thank you.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Thank you.
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Councillor Jumarillo?
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I just wanted to say that in defense of
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the residents,
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I mean, the Mississauga Board of Trade brought up economic issues,
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
which are also not to do with the...
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
interim control bylaws.
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So I think that if residents have some concerns around that
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
are not strictly interim control bylaws,
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but they want councillors to know their concerns around data centres,
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
this is their chance.
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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So I don't think we should unnecessarily restrict what
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
they speak.
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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
No,
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I'm not doing that,
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Councillor Di Marilla.
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I am merely getting to the point that we have to know what we're going to be voting on
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and what an ICBL has to concentrate on.
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We can't
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I absolutely agree with anybody saying whatever they want to
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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
do with it, but we have to focus on what we're capable of
12:18
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
doing here.
12:19
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We can't go beyond what we're capable of doing here,
12:22
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and I just wanted to pull us back to that.
12:23
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
But anybody can say whatever they want here,
12:26
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
as long as it's not using any bad words.
12:28
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay,
12:29
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
the next one is Heather Wan.
12:31
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Oh,
12:32
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
sorry, Madam Mayor.
12:33
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I just was on the board.
12:34
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Who's on the board?
12:36
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Me.
12:37
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Oh, Martin,
12:38
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
sorry, I didn't see you.
12:38
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Hi, sorry about that.
12:39
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
No, and just as our next delegates are coming
12:43
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
through, we're using PAWS and ICBL interchangeably,
12:47
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and I think that what we're understanding as we do this more is almost like the PAWS
12:51
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is a yellow light and the ICBL is a red light.
12:53
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We're both looking for education on them,
12:56
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but the ICBL is enforceable,
12:59
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
whereas the PAWS is not enforceable.
13:02
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Is that accurate,
13:02
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Andrew?
13:10
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
i'd like to speak to that if this council votes to
13:14
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
pause we carry the day
13:17
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
It's up to us what our staff can and can't do.
13:20
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The only people we can't control are the people in the front row over there
13:24
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
that can go and appeal it and have it overturned.
13:27
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
But if this council votes that we want a five -month pause or
13:31
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
whatever it is, come back in December,
13:32
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
which is what staff is asking for,
13:34
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
that's what they have to do.
13:36
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
When have we ever experienced the staff going against what we've asked them to
13:40
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
do? No,
13:40
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
sorry, Madam Mayor, I was just speaking from a planning perspective,
13:42
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
what the scope of ICBL is.
13:45
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
versus we just saying a pause,
13:46
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
just like the planning part of it.
13:48
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I thought you said,
13:49
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
does one carry more weight than the other?
13:51
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I'm telling you,
13:53
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
the weight of this council telling our staff to do something carries all
13:57
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
the weight that you need,
13:58
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
always has.
14:00
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
They're not disagreeing with me.
14:04
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Andrew,
14:05
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
if we told you,
14:06
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
if we voted for a specific action on your part,
14:10
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
would you ever dream of going against it?
14:14
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Well, maybe you'd dream of it.
14:15
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Yeah, I might dream of it.
14:16
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
No,
14:17
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I would not go against it.
14:19
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
But at the same time,
14:20
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
we would have to uphold any
14:24
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
kind of legislative responsibility.
14:26
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So if there was an application,
14:27
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
we would still process it.
14:30
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
But with this direction from council,
14:33
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
we would be managing that with the applicant.
14:36
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So we would always take your direction.
14:39
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay, thank you.
14:40
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Martin, is that a satisfactory answer?
14:43
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay.
14:43
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Next,
14:44
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Councillor Walsh.
14:49
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So just to clarify,
14:51
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I've been using the term pause as well,
14:53
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and I think what I'm referring to,
14:55
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
just for clarity,
14:56
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is a pause on the ICBL in terms of letting the...
15:00
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
the planning process play out so an icbl is certainly a definitive um
15:04
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
stop as you said a red light what we're referring to a pause is
15:08
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
a pause on the icbl which would not affect the um you know
15:12
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
any other council's ability at a later date to again keep the tool in the belt and
15:16
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
pass an icbl or take an opinion on any other development application that
15:20
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is before it including this one which hasn't come to planning and development committee yet so that all
15:25
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
that still plays out we're just pausing the icbl that's that's the language just to
15:29
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
clarify
15:29
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And we have to keep in mind,
15:31
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
if we're using coloured traffic lights,
15:33
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
gold or orange is a pause to
15:37
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
give staff time.
15:38
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Red is stop it dead in its tracks.
15:40
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And green is telling the gentleman in the front row to go and appeal it.
15:44
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So that's what I'm weighing.
15:46
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Thanks.
15:48
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Councillor DeMurla.
15:49
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
To
15:54
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
the solicitor.
15:55
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I don't think council has a jurisdiction to just say
15:59
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
pause.
16:01
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
You can't give direction telling staff to just pause
16:05
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
processing applications.
16:07
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
There's no framework.
16:08
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
There's no act.
16:10
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
There's no jurisdiction.
16:11
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
That would just be sort of superpower to be able to do that.
16:17
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
legal way to do that,
16:19
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
enforceable way to do that,
16:21
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is to vote on an interim control bylaw.
16:23
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I really want that to be clear because I feel like it's all being muddied and
16:27
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
people are saying things like,
16:29
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
oh, we can just pause it because staff is doing a report.
16:32
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
No, none of that is possible.
16:34
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
No more than I can tell council that we can pass a motion that
16:38
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
says the sun should rise in the west tomorrow,
16:40
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but it's not going to.
16:42
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We don't have that power.
16:43
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I want clarity on that.
16:46
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
This is the first I'm hearing that council can tell staff,
16:49
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
pause.
16:50
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Pause what?
16:51
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And how?
16:53
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Through your metamaran council,
16:54
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
we don't need to use the term pause.
16:57
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We can use any term.
16:57
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
There's no legal definition of pause.
17:00
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I'm not suggesting there's a statutory power we're exercising here.
17:05
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
All I'm simply suggesting is that.
17:07
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The ICBL need not be passed today,
17:10
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
if that's Council's will,
17:11
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and the planning process can continue to play out.
17:14
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I think what I'm hearing from Commissioner Whittemore and his team is that they can
17:18
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
continue to work with the developer to address these situations.
17:21
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I'm simply suggesting that tool,
17:23
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
the ICBL,
17:23
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
remains in our belt,
17:24
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and it can be brought forward at a later date if required.
17:27
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
So we can call it a...
17:29
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
you know a refusal today whatever we want to use i think perhaps let's stop using pause if it
17:33
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
is so divisive but i don't think there's any legal implication to that i'm simply saying at
17:37
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
a later date council still has that tool on his belt and my interpretation
17:42
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
would be you vote against part of the motion that says we're
17:46
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
going to draft an icpl and you instruct
17:50
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
staff to continue
17:51
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
until their report is done and you set a date so that they don't take four
17:55
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
years, which I don't think they would.
17:58
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
But that's the simplest way to describe it.
18:01
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Do you agree?
18:02
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Gentlemen in the front row.
18:07
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Through the Chair,
18:08
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
yes, I agree.
18:09
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And, of course,
18:11
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I did say that we would continue to process applications,
18:14
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but the way we do that is Miss Saga has a very good
18:18
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
reputation and very collaborative approach with developers,
18:22
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and that would be the way we would process.
18:24
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
If,
18:26
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
for instance,
18:26
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
there was a real concern with any of these applications,
18:30
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
we would certainly bring that to Council's attention.
18:33
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
At that point,
18:34
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
as Graham...
18:35
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The solicitor has said you could elect to put in ICE
18:39
S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)
bill immediately.
18:40
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay.
18:41
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Do you agree,
18:42
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
solicitor?
18:42
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Do you,
18:44
S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Madam Mayor? I do,
18:44
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
yes. Good.
18:45
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Thank you very much.
18:46
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Councillor DeMerla.
18:47
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Just to the clerk,
18:49
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I just got a text from someone saying that the live feed is interrupted.
18:53
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Do we know?
18:54
S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I haven't received any
18:58
S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)
notice of that,
18:59
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
but we'll check.
18:59
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Maybe we have electro problems here.
19:01
S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We don't have electricity for City Hall.
19:09
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Yes, I've noticed our screens have gone out just really like a flash
19:14
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
once or twice,
19:14
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
so there could be some power problems.
19:16
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Okay,
19:17
S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)
next is Heather Wan.
19:19
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Welcome.
19:21
S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Good
19:33
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
afternoon, Madam Mayor and Council.
19:35
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
My name is Heather Wan.
19:36
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I'm a 20 -year -old student living with my family in Ward 10 in the Liskar
19:40
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
-Medeville region,
19:41
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
only six kilometres away from where the Proligis AI Data Centre is
19:45
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
supposed to be developed in.
19:47
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Now I'm asking counsel to vote in favor of the motion to have an interim control bylaw
19:51
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
regarding the development of existing and future AI data centers.
19:54
S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Now I'd like to ask counsel to think on this question.
20:00
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
data center in your own backyard.
20:01
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
A data center that,
20:03
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
as many of you heard already,
20:04
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
demands over 100 megawatts of energy,
20:07
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
contaminates and worsens the quality of water into brown sludge from
20:11
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
your tap, increases the temperature of the neighboring area by an average of
20:15
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
2 degrees Celsius,
20:16
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and causes noise pollution 24 -7.
20:18
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
There are accounts of residents in northern Virginia placing plexiglass
20:23
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and mattresses on their window to block out the constant noise.
20:27
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I present this question because it can happen in your neighborhood,
20:31
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
as is proposed to happen in mine.
20:33
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Start to imagine the consequences that it will bring to your family,
20:37
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
children,
20:38
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
community,
20:38
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and future,
20:39
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
because it only won't just impact Liscar and
20:43
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Meadowvale, but soon all of Mississauga next to your homes and your neighborhoods.
20:48
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Now, this summer has only shown us the grave life -threatening dangers of climate change,
20:53
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
an orange sky,
20:54
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
smoke -filled air,
20:55
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
torrential rainfall,
20:56
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
or tornado warning.
20:58
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
All of that is to be exacerbated with an AI data center.
21:01
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
And I understand that you all recently unanimously voted in favor of
21:05
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
endorsing the Fossil Fuel Treaty,
21:06
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
committing to fighting against climate change locally and pushing for action provincially
21:11
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and federally,
21:12
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
which is actionary and future -oriented,
21:14
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
so thank you for that.
21:18
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
The same commitment is being asked of you here,
21:20
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
where the development and operation of AI data centers is one of the many industries
21:25
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
contributing to the growing climate crisis.
21:27
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
A moratorium towards these AI data centers to comprehensively evaluate
21:31
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
its impact on local environments,
21:33
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
communities,
21:34
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
and climate is necessary to uplift the quality of life that many families,
21:38
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
including my own,
21:39
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
need to have in Mississauga.
21:41
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
We need the appropriate,
21:43
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
thorough, and accommodated frameworks.
21:45
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
There are more accounts and testimonies,
21:47
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
both of personal and of expertise,
21:49
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
of AI data centers not fulfilling their claims of precautionary measures
21:53
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
than there are of AI data centers staying within these limits.
21:56
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
As young adults,
21:58
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
I ask the Council to be actionary against these harms before it is too late.
22:03
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
Have you consulted with,
22:04
S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)
like, Indigenous communities to use their land in this way?

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