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Same things.

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Air pollution,

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sound pollution.

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We're talking about water,

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how it may affect water,

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how it may affect wildlife,

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how it may affect the overall community.

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So when I brought this up to many people who have,

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you know.

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A lot of stocks in AI tech companies,

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mind you,

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working at an AI tech company,

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we are given RSUs,

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equity, we're given stocks,

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we're given so many options throughout the year,

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which, you know,

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as someone who has a couple myself,

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I would love for them to go up,

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but not at the cost of my own neighbors or my own city.

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So that would be the reason for why a lot of VPs,

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even if they could benefit,

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would not want in their own neighborhood.

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Everybody wants to dig for gold.

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They don't want to dig for it in their own backyard.

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Salman, thank you.

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One of our counselors just said everybody wants to go to heaven and no

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one wants to die.

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I thought that was profound.

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Got to laugh anyway.

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Okay,

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thank you very much for your interest and thanks for being here today.

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We're going to Bushra Ashgar.

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Also?

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Hi

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there.

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Welcome.

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Go

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ahead, Bushra.

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Can you hear me?

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We can.

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Please proceed.

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Perfect.

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Sorry.

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Okay.

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Good afternoon,

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Mayor Parrish and members of council.

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My name is Bashar Esker.

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I'm a Ward 10 resident.

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Like many folks who spoke today,

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I grew up in Mississauga and Erin Mills.

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have lived a big chunk of my life in Streetsville.

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I was raised in the city and it's like a place where my family

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still calls home.

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I'm here to support Council Reid's

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motion today for a year -long pause on digital infrastructure

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so that our city can take the moment.

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to build the frameworks and guardrails we currently don't have,

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as echoed by a lot of folks that spoke today,

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not just our city,

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but our provincial government or federal government.

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This is an exciting moment.

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We're kind of at a precipice of a moment of transformation

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that will be looked upon for probably

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generations.

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And I think after hearing many people speak,

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what we're weighing right now is whether a pause is worth the legal risk

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or the reputational cost that the council will have to burden.

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And I argue that this moment requires

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a dramatic tool to be used.

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It requires...

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public agencies to be given time because

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I think if you're not hearing from them,

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it's because they actually haven't had a moment to put things together.

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And I think people en masse need time to

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figure out the impacts of this.

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This is kind of personal for me.

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My parents are old,

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they're seniors,

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they're on fixed income.

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My mom is disabled.

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Every year their taxes go up and my siblings

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and I are supporting them.

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We're watching basically the impact

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of...

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infrastructure like this being built elsewhere and how it's impacting

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everyday residents,

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whether it's utility bills.

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I know that for my family,

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this isn't an abstract debate.

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I'm here.

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I've spent the last five hours here away from work to be able to say that this could

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be the difference between my family staying in their home where my parents have lived.

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for years or losing it because they just can't keep up with the

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rising cost.

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We've seen groceries in the last five years go up by 30%.

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The economic returns are not trickling down to everyday

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people.

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Youth unemployment remains skyrocketing in

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this province.

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That's what I work on in my day job.

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This infrastructure is not going to be solving it,

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especially when the person representing the company just said

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that it would create only 63%.

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63 jobs.

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We've also seen that similar facilities have

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kind of had a pattern where this industry is

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saying that it would create an X amount of jobs at the

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moment of applications,

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but oftentimes they revise the job estimates

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downwards after the approval has been made.

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There is a widely known case

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where I think it was

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facility where they actually decreased the jobs that were created

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by 80 % once the deal was secured.

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So I would encourage folks to ask hard

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questions about what happens to that number afterwards,

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especially if the company publicly is only saying that they would create 63

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jobs today.

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Another piece that I would want to focus on is just sort of,

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you know,

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I studied political science for seven years.

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I ran in the last federal election.

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I talked to thousands of people.

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The cost of living.

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And jobs are a huge issue right now.

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I don't think that creating

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or supporting this one -year pause in the form

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of this ICBL is going to create the reputational risk

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that council thinks that it would.

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Mississauga will always remain an attractive place

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for investment because of our proximity to Toronto,

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because we're one of the biggest...

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cities in in the country and because of the hard -working residents like

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all those president president and counsel today I

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would like to focus on this like democratic erosion that

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I think everyone you know is Sort of clocking

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to some degree globally in our own communities where people don't believe anything

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That's one of the reasons why I would press for some kind of

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a binding

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rule like the ICBL to be taken on rather than just like a trust me bro vibes

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thing that like you know for example Bill 40 was spoken

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about okay I'm out of my time but yeah

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thank you so much for hearing me out okay thank

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you I don't see any questions but I want to ask staff a question we

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seem to be wandering into jurisdictions that have nothing to do with the city

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Could the commissioner tell me,

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for drafting an ICBL,

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does it have to do with what our jurisdiction is or does it get into youth unemployment

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or any other subject,

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which all are very serious?

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Through the mayor,

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thank you for that question.

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And I do agree.

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This issue is so layered from

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a federal,

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provincial,

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and municipal level,

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and so the conversation has been really great,

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and I think some of that should actually feed into the Bill 40

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environmental,

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whatever it's called,

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engagement piece,

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because there's a lot of good information here.

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Unfortunately,

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like an ICBL,

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it really just hones in on the land use issues.

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It's the zoning.

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So what would be helpful today,

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I think,

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is really focusing on land use issues.

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That's things like setbacks from residential,

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the water,

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those kind of very technical pieces.

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That's really what the municipality can do.

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can deal with and when you do an icbl it's really what you're

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saying is there's something wrong with the zoning and

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we need to explore the zoning to understand how

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we can make it better that's really what icbl is doing it's not

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looking at a broader policy piece that's really what the

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the federal government and the um

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a provincial government would do.

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I will say councils adopted our economic development

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strategy,

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which from a policy perspective,

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the economic development strategy that's been approved actually supports

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this because it's recognized as an important infrastructure

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for businesses.

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So that's the policy side,

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but it's not binding.

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direction from council so if the conversation

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continues i think we really need to focus on the

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things the municipality control and those are the land use pieces okay if

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i could just clarify that for the next couple of presenters so what you want to hear

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is issues like it's too close to

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housing it's not zoned correctly

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what we can do to fix that,

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how much water usage.

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And I think when we had the meeting in March,

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you actually had a concern about water,

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storm water on the property.

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I don't think our audience is aware of all those intricacies.

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But if we're

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going to do...

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a policy or a draft,

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an ICBL,

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is going to have to strictly stick to that,

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or can it include any of these other concerns?

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To you, Madam Mayor,

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the actual crafting of the zoning bylaw wouldn't get into the list of issues.

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It would need to define what a large data

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infrastructure facility is,

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and it would need to specify what zones we're doing

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the pause on.

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So we would list the zones very specifically.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And then the study would follow.

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The scope of the study is for us to determine.

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The scope could go into all these other issues,

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but the ICBL can't?

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Correct.

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Okay,

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and just for me,

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I'm not well -versed in all this stuff.

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What's the difference?

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People keep talking about IA data centers.

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My understanding is this is a cloud data center.

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What's the difference?

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It's really what it's being used for.

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We would not get into those specific definitions,

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I don't think,

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and certainly for the ICBL,

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it would be more about data storage and processing.

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And then we would likely,

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though, have to have a size component because the

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motion before us uses the word large.

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So we want to capture a certain size that could be large,

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whether it's 10 megawatts or another definition.

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We will refine that definition over the next few months.

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Okay,

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thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Jumarillo?

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I just wanted to say that in defense of

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the residents,

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I mean, the Mississauga Board of Trade brought up economic issues,

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which are also not to do with the...

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interim control bylaws.

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So I think that if residents have some concerns around that

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are not strictly interim control bylaws,

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but they want councillors to know their concerns around data centres,

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this is their chance.

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So I don't think we should unnecessarily restrict what

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they speak.

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No,

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I'm not doing that,

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Councillor Di Marilla.

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I am merely getting to the point that we have to know what we're going to be voting on

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and what an ICBL has to concentrate on.

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We can't

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I absolutely agree with anybody saying whatever they want to

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do with it, but we have to focus on what we're capable of

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doing here.

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We can't go beyond what we're capable of doing here,

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and I just wanted to pull us back to that.

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But anybody can say whatever they want here,

12:26

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as long as it's not using any bad words.

12:28

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Okay,

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the next one is Heather Wan.

12:31

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Oh,

12:32

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sorry, Madam Mayor.

12:33

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I just was on the board.

12:34

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Who's on the board?

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Me.

12:37

S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Oh, Martin,

12:38

S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

sorry, I didn't see you.

12:38

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Hi, sorry about that.

12:39

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

No, and just as our next delegates are coming

12:43

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through, we're using PAWS and ICBL interchangeably,

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and I think that what we're understanding as we do this more is almost like the PAWS

12:51

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is a yellow light and the ICBL is a red light.

12:53

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

We're both looking for education on them,

12:56

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but the ICBL is enforceable,

12:59

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whereas the PAWS is not enforceable.

13:02

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Is that accurate,

13:02

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Andrew?

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i'd like to speak to that if this council votes to

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pause we carry the day

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It's up to us what our staff can and can't do.

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The only people we can't control are the people in the front row over there

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that can go and appeal it and have it overturned.

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But if this council votes that we want a five -month pause or

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whatever it is, come back in December,

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which is what staff is asking for,

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that's what they have to do.

13:36

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When have we ever experienced the staff going against what we've asked them to

13:40

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do? No,

13:40

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sorry, Madam Mayor, I was just speaking from a planning perspective,

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what the scope of ICBL is.

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versus we just saying a pause,

13:46

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

just like the planning part of it.

13:48

S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I thought you said,

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does one carry more weight than the other?

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And I'm telling you,

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the weight of this council telling our staff to do something carries all

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the weight that you need,

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always has.

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They're not disagreeing with me.

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Andrew,

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if we told you,

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if we voted for a specific action on your part,

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would you ever dream of going against it?

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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Well, maybe you'd dream of it.

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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Yeah, I might dream of it.

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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

No,

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I would not go against it.

14:19

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But at the same time,

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we would have to uphold any

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kind of legislative responsibility.

14:26

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So if there was an application,

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we would still process it.

14:30

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But with this direction from council,

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we would be managing that with the applicant.

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So we would always take your direction.

14:39

S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Okay, thank you.

14:40

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Martin, is that a satisfactory answer?

14:43

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Okay.

14:43

S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Next,

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S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Councillor Walsh.

14:49

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

So just to clarify,

14:51

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I've been using the term pause as well,

14:53

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and I think what I'm referring to,

14:55

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

just for clarity,

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is a pause on the ICBL in terms of letting the...

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

the planning process play out so an icbl is certainly a definitive um

15:04

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

stop as you said a red light what we're referring to a pause is

15:08

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a pause on the icbl which would not affect the um you know

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any other council's ability at a later date to again keep the tool in the belt and

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pass an icbl or take an opinion on any other development application that

15:20

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

is before it including this one which hasn't come to planning and development committee yet so that all

15:25

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

that still plays out we're just pausing the icbl that's that's the language just to

15:29

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clarify

15:29

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And we have to keep in mind,

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if we're using coloured traffic lights,

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gold or orange is a pause to

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give staff time.

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Red is stop it dead in its tracks.

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And green is telling the gentleman in the front row to go and appeal it.

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So that's what I'm weighing.

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Thanks.

15:48

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Councillor DeMurla.

15:49

S… Speaker 2 (Mississauga_Part_2)

To

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S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

the solicitor.

15:55

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I don't think council has a jurisdiction to just say

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pause.

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S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

You can't give direction telling staff to just pause

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processing applications.

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There's no framework.

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There's no act.

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There's no jurisdiction.

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That would just be sort of superpower to be able to do that.

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legal way to do that,

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enforceable way to do that,

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S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

is to vote on an interim control bylaw.

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S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And I really want that to be clear because I feel like it's all being muddied and

16:27

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

people are saying things like,

16:29

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

oh, we can just pause it because staff is doing a report.

16:32

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

No, none of that is possible.

16:34

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

No more than I can tell council that we can pass a motion that

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says the sun should rise in the west tomorrow,

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but it's not going to.

16:42

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

We don't have that power.

16:43

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And I want clarity on that.

16:46

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

This is the first I'm hearing that council can tell staff,

16:49

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

pause.

16:50

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Pause what?

16:51

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And how?

16:53

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Through your metamaran council,

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

we don't need to use the term pause.

16:57

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

We can use any term.

16:57

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

There's no legal definition of pause.

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I'm not suggesting there's a statutory power we're exercising here.

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

All I'm simply suggesting is that.

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The ICBL need not be passed today,

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if that's Council's will,

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and the planning process can continue to play out.

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And I think what I'm hearing from Commissioner Whittemore and his team is that they can

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continue to work with the developer to address these situations.

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And I'm simply suggesting that tool,

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the ICBL,

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remains in our belt,

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

and it can be brought forward at a later date if required.

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

So we can call it a...

17:29

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

you know a refusal today whatever we want to use i think perhaps let's stop using pause if it

17:33

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

is so divisive but i don't think there's any legal implication to that i'm simply saying at

17:37

S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

a later date council still has that tool on his belt and my interpretation

17:42

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

would be you vote against part of the motion that says we're

17:46

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

going to draft an icpl and you instruct

17:50

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

staff to continue

17:51

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

until their report is done and you set a date so that they don't take four

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years, which I don't think they would.

17:58

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

But that's the simplest way to describe it.

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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Do you agree?

18:02

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Gentlemen in the front row.

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Through the Chair,

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yes, I agree.

18:09

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

And, of course,

18:11

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I did say that we would continue to process applications,

18:14

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but the way we do that is Miss Saga has a very good

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reputation and very collaborative approach with developers,

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and that would be the way we would process.

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If,

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for instance,

18:26

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

there was a real concern with any of these applications,

18:30

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

we would certainly bring that to Council's attention.

18:33

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

At that point,

18:34

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

as Graham...

18:35

S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

The solicitor has said you could elect to put in ICE

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S… Speaker 4 (Mississauga_Part_2)

bill immediately.

18:40

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Okay.

18:41

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Do you agree,

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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

solicitor?

18:42

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Do you,

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S… Speaker 5 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Madam Mayor? I do,

18:44

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

yes. Good.

18:45

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Thank you very much.

18:46

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Councillor DeMerla.

18:47

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Just to the clerk,

18:49

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I just got a text from someone saying that the live feed is interrupted.

18:53

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Do we know?

18:54

S… Speaker 7 (Mississauga_Part_2)

I haven't received any

18:58

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notice of that,

18:59

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

but we'll check.

18:59

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Maybe we have electro problems here.

19:01

S… Speaker 6 (Mississauga_Part_2)

We don't have electricity for City Hall.

19:09

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Yes, I've noticed our screens have gone out just really like a flash

19:14

S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

once or twice,

19:14

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so there could be some power problems.

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S… Speaker 3 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Okay,

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next is Heather Wan.

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Welcome.

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Good

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S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

afternoon, Madam Mayor and Council.

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My name is Heather Wan.

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I'm a 20 -year -old student living with my family in Ward 10 in the Liskar

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-Medeville region,

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only six kilometres away from where the Proligis AI Data Centre is

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supposed to be developed in.

19:47

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Now I'm asking counsel to vote in favor of the motion to have an interim control bylaw

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S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

regarding the development of existing and future AI data centers.

19:54

S… Speaker 8 (Mississauga_Part_2)

Now I'd like to ask counsel to think on this question.

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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

data center in your own backyard.

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A data center that,

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as many of you heard already,

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demands over 100 megawatts of energy,

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contaminates and worsens the quality of water into brown sludge from

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your tap, increases the temperature of the neighboring area by an average of

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2 degrees Celsius,

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and causes noise pollution 24 -7.

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There are accounts of residents in northern Virginia placing plexiglass

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and mattresses on their window to block out the constant noise.

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I present this question because it can happen in your neighborhood,

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as is proposed to happen in mine.

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Start to imagine the consequences that it will bring to your family,

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children,

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community,

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and future,

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because it only won't just impact Liscar and

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Meadowvale, but soon all of Mississauga next to your homes and your neighborhoods.

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Now, this summer has only shown us the grave life -threatening dangers of climate change,

20:53

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an orange sky,

20:54

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smoke -filled air,

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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

torrential rainfall,

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or tornado warning.

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All of that is to be exacerbated with an AI data center.

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And I understand that you all recently unanimously voted in favor of

21:05

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endorsing the Fossil Fuel Treaty,

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committing to fighting against climate change locally and pushing for action provincially

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and federally,

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which is actionary and future -oriented,

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so thank you for that.

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S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

The same commitment is being asked of you here,

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where the development and operation of AI data centers is one of the many industries

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contributing to the growing climate crisis.

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A moratorium towards these AI data centers to comprehensively evaluate

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its impact on local environments,

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communities,

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and climate is necessary to uplift the quality of life that many families,

21:38

S… Speaker 1 (Mississauga_Part_2)

including my own,

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need to have in Mississauga.

21:41

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We need the appropriate,

21:43

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thorough, and accommodated frameworks.

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There are more accounts and testimonies,

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both of personal and of expertise,

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of AI data centers not fulfilling their claims of precautionary measures

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than there are of AI data centers staying within these limits.

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As young adults,

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I ask the Council to be actionary against these harms before it is too late.

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Have you consulted with,

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like, Indigenous communities to use their land in this way?

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