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Thank you very much.
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Yeah,
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the topic is indeed quite similar,
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but what I want to focus on is a more global view on the losses and
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the challenges that arise from these inverter -induced losses in our global
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phantasypeer server applications.
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So I will start with a quick introduction,
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motivation and then give you a shot overview of the mechanisms of
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these inverter and boost losses and show you the measurement methods
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we use for this paper and the results.
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So
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what we can see in the industry is
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increased demand for synchronous motors which comes on the one hand from
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the high efficiency as we heard a lot yesterday and today
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and also the power density and what we also
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see is an increased degree of automation so for example here on
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the right you see some types of robots which
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get more and more involved into automatic productions
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And the funny thing is we also see that customers use
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our servo motors for constant speed applications just because of their high
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efficiency and their really high power density.
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So the operation usually of servo motors
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requires high dynamics.
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We have rapid and frequent changes of speed and torque.
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And we also have high overload and also frequent operation
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depending on the application of course.
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So the requirements are quite high.
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So we need a compact and lightweight motor with a high efficiency,
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with low inertia and high output power.
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And all these are mainly restricted about
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thermal behavior.
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So let's elaborate a
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bit more on that.
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At first we have our environmental conditions that can already differ
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in many of these applications.
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So we have different ambient temperatures from,
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well...
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where the motor is installed.
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So the application can have even higher ambient temperatures than
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the usual ambient temperature in that region.
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We have some kind of airflow or we don't have that kind of airflow.
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And then the motor of course generates heat through
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its losses.
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So we usually speak about copper losses,
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iron losses,
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magnet losses and also refrigerant windage losses.
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So this already reduced our performance due to our thermal consequence.
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So we have thermal limits of winding insulation,
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and we also have decreased magnet performance,
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so the flux density of the magnet decreases with temperature,
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and we also have a risk of the magnetization.
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Now we have the inverter operation,
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as we've seen before,
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we have a non sinusoidal input voltage,
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and we have also high frequency harmonic components.
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added to the motor.
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So this now gives us an additional loss component that
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we cannot avoid.
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So this gives us additional,
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we call them virtual -induced losses.
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What are the principles behind them?
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Usually,
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in the industrial applications,
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we have our grid voltage,
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which is our input voltage for the inverter,
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which then uses some kind of modulation,
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falsewood modulation usually,
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which then is applied to the motor.
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If we look at this voltage in the frequency
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domain, we can see we,
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of course,
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don't have only the fundamental component,
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but also a lot of harmonic components.
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And these cause now additional high -frequency losses.
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So we have the copper losses due to the current ripple which remains.
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We have increased ion losses,
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so visperieses and eddy current losses.
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We have increased eddy current loss in our magnets.
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And we have additional losses in all other conducting parts
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of the world.
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So these harmonics are now,
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in first place,
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influenced by the advertent grid parameters.
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So before we look even at our motor,
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we see that the switching frequency,
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the modulation strategy,
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and the grid voltage itself determines these
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harmonics due to the C++ voltage.
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So if we want to apply this motor somewhere
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in the world,
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We see,
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for example, China and Brazil,
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we have 380 volts,
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we have 400 volts in Europe and Australia,
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for example.
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But if we then go to USA and Canada,
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we have 480 volts,
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but in Canada,
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usually also 575 volts.
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So this is also quite a big challenge for us.
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So what are the overall challenges?
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We have the dependence on many different parameters,
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so the inverter parameters we talked about,
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but then also the motor parameters.
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So we have the topology which decides that...
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how much losses will occur,
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we have frame size,
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we have the writing configuration,
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we have different materials,
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so all that comes into play when speaking about
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those authentic losses.
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The problem is,
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and that's why I talk about the industrial application,
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we usually don't know the application during
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development.
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If we see those many papers for electric vehicles,
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we have optimization of one system designated for
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one specific application.
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If we talk about industry applications,
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we usually don't know.
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We have light reference applications,
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but that's all.
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So we have different environmental conditions.
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We have many,
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many different load cycles and operating modes.
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As we have seen,
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different grid voltages.
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This is why we want to study the impact of these losses
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in those modular cell motor systems in our global applications.
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So we want to see or I want to show you the challenge
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that lies behind all that.
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So how do we measure these losses?
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It's a typical measurement setup.
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So we have our test motor and our load motor coupled by torque sensor and we
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have our power analyzer.
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And for today we use these
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quantities of the electrical input power and it's
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fundamental of the entire 4D analysis.
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We have the mechanical output power from the torque sensor and we
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also can calculate the fundamental current from the analysis
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which is done in this power analyzer.
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We have the state of winding losses,
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we have the high -frequency losses,
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which is just the subtraction of the electrical liquid power
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and fundamental component.
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And the rest for today,
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we just say these are our speed -dependent losses,
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so iron losses,
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friction and windage losses.
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Of course,
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this is not 100 % accurate,
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but it's a good measure just to say how much of
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these high -frequency losses occur in these
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motors.
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So what we will see later is some kind of relative loss distribution between
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these three components.
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For the procedures we use,
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we can start with simple measurements like our S1 curve.
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So this usually determines our permissive
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continuous torque in our applications.
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So when you design a servo motor for a specific road cycle,
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you usually have an equivalent point,
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which has to lie under this curve.
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So we know the motor is firmly stable.
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So usually,
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of course, determined by winding temperature and magnetic temperature and so on.
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Then,
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if we want to study the whole operating range,
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my colleague has developed a procedure that allows
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us to
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measure the whole range.
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So if we just have this S1 curve,
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we don't get a lot of information because,
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as I said,
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the applications for the load cycles are very dynamic.
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We have operating points everywhere around this operating range.
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And so we need to measure the whole range.
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So what we do is we have controlled thermal state
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by...
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keeping the temperature at rated load point and we
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do that by not only driving
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the motor in these load point map but also
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with some compensation points which compensates the losses and
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then keeps the temperature almost constant over the whole measurement.
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So what we can do then is,
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for example, draw this harmonic loss map for the solar
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operating range.
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And we can also draw this versus
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the modulation index to see just how these losses
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play. So this is what we are going to see as well in the result.
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So which motors are we going to measure?
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These are three of our servo motors from one of our servo
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motor series.
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We use them because the effect will be the worst in these motors.
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Of course,
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we have surface mounted magnets,
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so they see all the harmonics in the air gap field.
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And they are usually not really designed
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to have the least possible harmonic losses,
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but they are designed for highest continuous torque and maximum
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as one curve with some limitations.
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and of course not that non -ventilated because that's also the
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worst case here.
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So at first we are going to look at these three
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different motors in three sizes and we see the S1 curves with the relative
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torque versus speed and what we can see here is that the
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smallest motor has
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already a slight decrease because of course the losses increase versus
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the speed.
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So speed dependent losses,
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iron losses increase and as the motor is not ventilated
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the continuous torque decreases.
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But what we can see as well that it gets even worse
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for the large motors.
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And if we look now at the loss components,
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we can see here the three different components that we talked about.
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We see that,
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of course,
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if we decrease the torque,
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we also decrease the proper losses.
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But what we can see as well,
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the speed -dependent loss and losses rise.
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really significant high frequency losses.
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So these are even those small and medium motors but we can see in
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the medium motor we almost have half of the losses which come
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from just the inverter operation.
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Or we assume that because as I said the measurement is just a
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qualitative measure for this.
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So what is our key message here?
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Well, they account for a significant portion of the total losses,
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so it's an important factor.
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We have to take that into account during development,
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which is quite obvious.
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The same goes for different lengths of the motor.
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So we usually have different shaft tails and different lengths just
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to have a wide range which we can use for different applications and
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different needs.
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And here we see the same results basically.
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So for the smallest motor they are about one quarter and
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for the longest motor they are already
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again about half the losses.
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Next thing is what we have seen before as well,
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the importance of switching frequency.
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Of course,
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if we have lower frequencies,
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we see higher losses overall.
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And if we increase the switching frequency
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to 8 GHz,
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we have lower losses in all our operation points.
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But this has been...
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talking about yesterday as well,
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we have to look at our system.
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So what we see at first is our motor efficiency,
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which is then higher than 8 kHz.
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But if we now add the inverter losses to this equation,
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we see that the total system losses here are higher than
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8 kHz.
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So the system efficiency is lower.
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This is then our message where we have
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a switching frequency which might be specified by standards if we
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are measuring according to them because there's not really an applicable
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standard for server motors yet but it's work in progress and
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in practice this means we have to optimize the system
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which is sometimes difficult but because sometimes we
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sell the whole system
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So we have the motor and inverter of our company which is sold.
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Sometimes only the motor,
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sometimes only the inverter.
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So sometimes we don't really have the opportunity
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to just look at the whole system.
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And of course there are also,
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apart from the losses,
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there are also other parameters that are important.
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For example, acoustics which usually are improved at high
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frequencies and some different motor and inverter choices as
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I said.
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And now,
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what I think is the most interesting
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and difficult one is the
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grid voltage.
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So,
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in our measurement center we have three different
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voltage levels that we could measure.
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360 volts,
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400 volts and 500 volts of input voltage.
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And so,
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not really the voltage levels that I showed before,
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but they go in the same direction.
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And what we see here is if we measure at 500 volts our whole
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efficiency map,
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the high frequency losses here in the main
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field operation make up almost half of the losses,
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sometimes even more.
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And the overall operation,
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which is not quite common or not as
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long as the operation in these areas,
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then they decrease.
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So if we look at this for different voltages,
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we see that the highest voltage already has the highest high frequency process.
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But what does that mean?
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If we look at one and the same operating point for these
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three different voltages,
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and we look at the efficiencies,
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we see that just depending on the input voltage,
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even though it's inverter operated,
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our efficiency decreases because our inverter abuse losses
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increase with voltage.
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For us,
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this means the same motor,
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which we developed for,
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in the best case,
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global application,
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has different efficiencies,
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and also then further behavior in different countries.
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So if we sell the motor in China,
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everything might be good,
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and the efficiency is good.
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If we sell the motor in USA with the same winding,
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we have low efficiency,
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and we have a high temperature rise.
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So, despite inverter operation,
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we always have to think about,
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well, do we need to adapt our winding to counteract
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this problem or do we want to keep the variation of
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the motor in production as low as possible just to keep our cost
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as low as possible.
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So,
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what did we see?
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We saw that the inversion is supposed to depend on the size on
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one end and become significant for large motors.
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So the larger the cell motors get,
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the more important these losses are.
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It can be significantly influenced by
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the inverter power parameters.
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So we only look at the pushing frequency,
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but of course the other inverter parameters are important as well.
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The global usage leads to different efficiencies or system
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efficiencies despite the inverter operation and still
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the key message is the system optimization is important.
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development and an application so we try our best even though we
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don't know all the applications which are going to be going to be used
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but we try our best to say well we want to reduce these losses and
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try to account for all the effects that we have seen so
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thank you very much and i'm open
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