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Hey there, everybody.
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Ira Glass here.
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It's This American Life from WBEZ Chicago.
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I'm just here for a minute to say we have a special show for you today.
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One of our producers,
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Hannah Jaffe -Walt,
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has been reporting a lot on education and schools.
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And three years ago,
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she did this story that's about a part of education that everybody knows about,
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but I think we do not talk about much at all,
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not in a way that feels like anything.
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And this is one of my favorite shows we've ever done and full of surprise turns and twists.
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And I don't want to waste any more time here setting this up.
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So I'm just going to hand over the show to Hannah so we can get to it.
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Here she is.
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Lisa and Angela are both teachers,
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both in the Bronx and New York City,
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both relentlessly energetic women who make generous use of their arms
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while talking.
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They met years ago.
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They liked each other.
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In 2005,
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Lisa and Angela were part of a program that brought their two schools together,
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sort of a classroom exchange.
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Kids from Lisa's school would see Angela's school and vice versa.
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They thought their students would get a lot out of meeting each other and learning about one
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another's schools because their students spend their school days in two very
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different places.
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Lisa Greenbaum School,
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University Heights High School,
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is a public school.
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It's 97 % black and Hispanic.
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It's located in the poorest congressional district in the country,
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the South Bronx.
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Angela Vassus' school,
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Fieldston,
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is also in the Bronx,
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but it's one of New York City's elite private schools.
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It's 70 % white.
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It's known as a progressive school.
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One in five kids gets financial aid,
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which is helpful because last year tuition was $43 ,000.
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These two schools were three miles from
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each other, but the students basically needed a foreign exchange program to
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meet each other.
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The
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teachers started by having their students write letters to each other.
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They were pen pals for a while,
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which was going well.
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And then Lisa and Angela planned a time to get
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them together.
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Lisa, the public school teacher,
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says the moment her kids got off the bus at Fieldston,
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the private school,
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they had a dramatic reaction to what they saw.
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They couldn't believe the campus.
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They felt like everyone was looking at them.
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And one of the students started screaming and crying,
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like, this is unfair.
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This is, this is,
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this is, I don't want to be here.
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I'm leaving.
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I'm leaving right now.
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I'm going home.
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We were like,
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Melanie, it's OK.
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You should stay with the group.
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Let's talk,
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you know.
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Some context.
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University Heights,
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the public school these kids were coming from,
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it's small and friendly.
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There are no metal detectors.
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But it's a public school in a poor neighborhood.
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The kids share a building and a gym with another school.
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The private school,
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Fieldston,
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has an 18 -acre campus on a hill.
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Stone buildings are connected by landscaped paths.
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Every few windows is the size of a garage door.
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There's a dance studio,
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an art gallery,
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a pool.
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So on that first day,
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the public school kids,
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almost all of them Puerto Rican and Dominican kids from the South Bronx,
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walk onto the campus,
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look around at the quad,
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the trees,
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see the school's mission etched into the stone arches.
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Angela,
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the private school teacher from Fieldston,
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came to greet them and immediately noticed that one of the girls seemed upset.
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And I went over to talk to her,
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as did Lisa.
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that's she jumped up and she said we've got to get out of here we've got to get out of here we've got to get
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out of here and I thought it was a joke at the beginning I didn't realize you know
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and
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It really was,
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I mean, she went white,
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like completely white,
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you know, blood drained from her face.
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And her friend was holding her and saying,
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calm down,
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Melanie, calm down,
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Melanie.
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So it was just an awful situation.
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None of us had anticipated such a strong reaction.
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There are hundreds of programs
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right now that are trying to do some version of this exchange program to
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help people connect across a growing divide.
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For a lot of students,
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American public schools are more segregated than they were a generation ago,
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not less.
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The gap between rich and poor is wider than it's been since the Great Depression.
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Basically,
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whatever gap you hear about,
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income gap,
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achievement gap,
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racial divide,
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these two groups of kids from University Heights and Fieldston exist
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on opposite sides.
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And just seeing across that divide,
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something so many of us never do,
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can be incredibly powerful.
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In this case,
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from the very first few minutes,
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It was definitely dramatic.
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This incident when the kids visited Fieldston happened 10
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years ago.
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And I heard this story from so many different people.
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The teachers,
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kids from both schools.
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Allison Rowland was a junior at the private school,
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Fieldston at the time.
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She remembers the girl who freaked out.
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People were like,
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what happened?
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That was like weird.
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But nobody really,
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it was very behind the scenes.
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Even more,
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she remembers the feeling she had seeing the girl freak out,
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feeling helpless.
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It's uncomfortable when you can't help someone not be uncomfortable.
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No one wants to feel like they're on the hill school,
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on the top of the hill.
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It's uncomfortable.
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But at the same time,
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I totally understood where she was coming from in terms of it is messed up.
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It's crazy.
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Our educations have been so drastically different,
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and that's completely unfair.
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But like, what do you do in the moment when you're still a high school student and you don't have the power?
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You know, like, I don't have a degree.
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I couldn't become a politician in that moment and change.
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I don't know,
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you know, making change to take a long time.
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A lot of Fielsen students do go on to
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be politicians and run Walt Disney and The New York Times and
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host evening news programs and design major American cities.
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And part of the point of programs like these that try to bridge the divide
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is seeing as the private school kids will likely go on to be important,
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influential people,
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maybe write education policy or finance new businesses.
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It's good for them to know not everybody's life looks like theirs.
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But of course,
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then there's the question,
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what do the public school kids get out of it?
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Right now,
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there's a popular idea in education.
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It pops up all over the place about exposure.
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That exposure is particularly important for poor kids.
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Not just important,
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that it can change destinies.
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You know,
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you take a group of kids to tour a college campus,
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they'll be more likely to go to college.
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Or if you just know someone who went to college,
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that'll help.
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The idea is if you want a kid to move from one social class to
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another, that kid has to see what it looks like over there on the other side.
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Exposure is a tool for social change and economic
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mobility.
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Or it just sucks.
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You see how much you did not get and it's shocking or painful
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and you freak out like that one girl,
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Melanie.
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The people who run programs like these hope that even if it's upsetting in
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the moment, ultimately this kind of experience helps more than it hurts.
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But nobody really knows because this is the kind of thing that plays
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out over time.
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It occurred to me that the group of kids who were part of
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that first -year exchange between Fieldston and University Heights could
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answer this question,
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does it hurt or help the public school kids?
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It's been 10 years.
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They're in their mid -20s now,
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so they've gone to college,
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gotten apartments and jobs.
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And it turns out this one experience really has shaped some
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of the public school kids in profound ways,
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ways I did not see coming.
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Today's show,
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what happens when you see the other side,
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and it looks a lot better.
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Let's
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begin with Melanie,
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the girl who freaked out.
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I wondered about Melanie because she had such a strong,
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immediate reaction that everyone remembered,
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but also because listen to what happened after that.
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So apparently,
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Melanie started crying the moment she got to Fieldston,
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wanted to leave,
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but the teachers managed to calm her down,
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and for a while,
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it seemed like the moment had passed,
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and they were fine.
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They partnered all the students up so the University Heights kids could go
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with the Fieldston kids to some of their classes.
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Marlena Edelstein,
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a Fieldston student,
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told me the girl who shadowed her,
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she doesn't remember her name,
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but other people told me it was Melanie.
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Marlena has never forgotten her.
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I remember we were studying the Enlightenment.
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I were looking at it through paintings,
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and I remember her making connections between the painting
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and Enlightenment -era philosophers and quoting
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John Locke and just schooling all of us,
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you know,
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making connections that I would have been completely incapable of
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making and just clearly the smartest person in the room.
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Then,
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after wowing everyone in this class with her intellect,
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Melanie left,
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ran away.
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She found the experience of being at Fieldston so upsetting,
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she ultimately could not stand to be there.
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And Lisa Greenbaum,
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her teacher,
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told me Melanie did not just run away from Fieldston that day.
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She also seemed to run away from high school.
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She doesn't remember seeing her much after that.
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I would love to know.
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I would love to know how she feels about who she is,
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you know, and if that moment in her life.
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Lisa told me she had no idea where Melanie was.
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But she said, you know who you should call?
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Ashley Wallace.
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That was Melanie's best friend.
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She'll know what happened.
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Oh,
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me and Melanie were pissed off.
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What happened?
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We were definitely pissed off.
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I mean,
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have you ever seen Edward Scissorhands?
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Seen what?
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Edward Scissorhands.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And you know how like his house is at the top of the hill and it's all dark
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and gloomy.
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And then you have the rest of the town where all the houses are colorful and it's
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sunny all day and bright or whatever the case is.
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It was just like that.
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Like we were leaving.
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the Bronx and going into some complete,
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totally different utopian existence.
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You know,
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Lisa kept telling us while we were pen -piling these kids that,
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oh, they go to a private school,
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but they're just like us.
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And just like us is you live in a bad neighborhood like
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we do.
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You go to a bullshit,
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shitty -ass school like we do,
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where we have no cafeteria because it's been converted
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into a classroom.
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We have a daycare for mothers.
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I asked Ashley,
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so where is Melanie now?
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For
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a while,
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it seemed like maybe they just lost touch.
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That happens after high school.
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Ashley's mom moved to Atlanta.
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Eventually,
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Ashley did too and had a baby.
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But after a while,
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it stopped feeling to Ashley like the two of them had just drifted apart and
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started to feel more like Melanie did not want to be found.
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Her phone number changed.
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She's nowhere online.
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Ashley has checked Facebook so many times.
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My mom always asks about her and stuff,
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but I could not find her.
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Do you know she went to college?
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No,
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I really don't.
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But Ashley says she must have.
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How else does someone disappear like that unless they make it out of the Bronx
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and never look back?
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There
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is a New York City number listed under Melanie's name,
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but of course...
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We cannot accept calls at this time.
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We're sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
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There's a woman with the same name who manages a real estate
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firm in Corpus Christi.
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There's a dental lab technician in Harrisburg,
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an executive office professional in Las Vegas,
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a woman on Twitter who I think lives in Mexico and
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has devoted her account to retweeting Justin Bieber's Twitter account.
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They all seem to be about the right age,
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all not her.
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A background check on Melanie's name lists a current and former
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address.
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I went to the current one.
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She does not live there.
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Sent letters to both.
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No luck.
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Ashley, her friend from high school,
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gave me a couple names of people she thought might have kept up with Melanie.
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And top of the list was Pablo Muriel,
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their high school history teacher.
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He's Puerto Rican,
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like Melanie,
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from the neighborhood.
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Ashley says we all loved Pablo,
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but especially Melanie.
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Yes,
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hello?
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Hi, it's Hannah Jaffe -Walt,
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the reporter.
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Pablo said
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Melanie is one of those kids you remember because she was very,
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very, very smart,
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three verys,
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and full of potential.
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She stood out to him for other reasons,
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too.
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And interesting enough,
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I think she passed by the school to visit maybe like four years ago.
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And I remember her coming back when you had to say hello to me.
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And I was with another teacher sitting down.
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I won't forget this day because it was just so odd.
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She came and spoke to me.
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And I told her,
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hold on, I'll talk to you in a minute.
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I think she took it as me brushing her off.
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And she just like kind of stormed out.
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And I never saw her again.
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You were just,
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like, busy and,
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like, happy to see you,
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just hang on a second?
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Yeah,
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yeah, because she called me between classes.
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Hi, Pop,
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I'm like, oh, hey,
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Melanie, hold on,
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I'll talk to you in a minute.
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And then she just said,
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okay, whatever,
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and she just left.
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And I never saw her again.
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I began contacting former classmates,
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and I became sort of obsessed.
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Because it was weird how invisible she was.
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Everyone else was super easy to find.
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These are 25 -year -olds,
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and we have the Internet.
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And the classmates' memories of Melanie were all similarly mythic.
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She spoke her mind.
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She was brilliant.
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She was fierce.
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She was going to make it.
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And no one had heard from her.
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Weirdly,
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the one person I contacted who had a real idea of what happened to Melanie was
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the teacher from Fieldston,
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the private school,
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Angela Vasos.
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Someone told me Angela had taken a special interest in Melanie
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after she got so upset at Fieldston.
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And a decade later,
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when I met Angela and first asked about Melanie,
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she started crying.
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No problem.
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Angela got a box of
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tissues, then sat down.
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I had a real soft spot for that kid.
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I still have a soft spot for that kid.
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She was smart,
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you know,
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really smart.
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I don't know if she realized.
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She knew she was powerful,
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but I don't know if she knew she was smart.
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After that first encounter at Fieldston,
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Angela tried hard to gain Melanie's trust.
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I think she felt partially responsible,
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and she really wanted to help Melanie,
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even though she wasn't Melanie's teacher.
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The program kept going throughout the year.
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Angela would bring her private school students over to the public school,
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and sometimes she'd visit on her own.
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And every time,
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she'd make a special point to check in on Melanie.
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The last time Angela ever saw Melanie was
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in the public school.
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Angela was over there visiting,
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and Lillian,
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the college advisor,
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comes in.
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She walked in and Melanie was really on a tear about white
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bitches and they don't know anything about the world.
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Lillian walks in and she
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waves a piece of paper.
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And she says,
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Melanie, come here.
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Melanie goes up.
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There are like 50 people in the room.
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She says,
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Middlebury accepted you full scholarship.
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And Melanie started crying.
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I started crying.
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We all did.
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We were so excited.
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And Lillian,
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she said, we made it,
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we made it, we made it.
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Incredible news.
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In Middlebury,
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we're talking about a serious,
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serious school.
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Full scholarship.
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And Melanie buried her face,
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you know, on Lillian's shoulder here.
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And they hugged for such a long time.
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Not, you know,
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on these hugs.
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Like, it must have been like a two -minute hug.
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And Lillian was swinging her around,
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and Melanie had her arms around her.
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And I thought, that's so great.
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And you knew at that moment it was moving because you
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knew at that moment Melanie felt safe.
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And that's when Melanie disappeared because
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she did not finish the last.
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month of the year.
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She disappeared to this day.
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They don't know where she is.
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She probably just got scared.
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You know?
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Wait,
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she got into Middlebury,
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but she didn't go.
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She didn't finish the last month of school either.
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She left.
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Yeah.
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Literally disappeared.
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No one could find her.
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I
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called Middlebury to see if maybe Melanie did attend.
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They said no.
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Did she get in?
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They said,
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we have no record showing that she received an offer of admission.
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I didn't know if that meant she wasn't admitted or they just had no record
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either way,
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but that's all they would say.
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And this was strange because Angela had such a vivid memory
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of Melanie getting in.
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And Angela herself went to Middlebury,
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so she probably didn't mix up the name of the college.
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Plus,
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the college advisor at Melanie's school seemed to remember it.
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So at this point,
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I went back to Melanie's high school friend,
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Ashley, and just asked if it sounded like Melanie to psych herself
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out like that.
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And she said,
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no way.
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I only made it to my GED,
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but Melanie was singularly focused on college.
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She'd curse me out when I cut class.
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When it came to down to me and her,
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I was,
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you know, what she was trying to avoid.

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In this episode of This American Life, Hannah Jaffe, a producer, introduces a special show about a unique educational experience. Three years ago, she reported on a program that brought two schools together, Lisa Greenbaum School and University Heights High School, to exchange students and learn about each other's schools. The show features two teachers, Lisa and Angela, who met years ago and now work in different schools. They had a pen pal relationship for a while but then planned a time to meet in person. The students at the two schools had a dramatic reaction when they arrived at the private school, feeling like they were being looked at as outsiders. The show explores the challenges of integrating students from different backgrounds and schools.
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