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Well, happy Tuesday,

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everybody.

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We are back with another Community Conversations,

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and we are doing a special Tuesday edition

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because it's Canada Day tomorrow,

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and I know that there's lots of stuff happening in the city from Port Credit to Streetsville

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to Celebration Square,

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and I want you out there instead of sitting inside.

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So I am going to go through

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a few things.

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We're going to talk about our town hall,

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a little bit of a recap.

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I'm going to talk about this article in the paper.

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About bike lanes and what that means for Ward 9 and I have some updates on some

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of the work that we're working on there So let's make sure that this is working Trisha,

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how are you?

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I see you popped up in the chat there

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Guys, as we're getting started here,

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I want to let you know,

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the other day I was doing a town hall.

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I think it was a debrief after the town hall.

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And I thought I was just talking into outer space because I saw no

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comments and no thumbs up,

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nothing happening.

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And I thought because it was like 11 o 'clock at night that it was late and that's why no one was

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chatting.

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And then I realized afterwards that somehow the

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comment section wasn't.

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populating and i closed the live and there was like 68 messages

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people had been interacting the whole time so i just want to make sure that that's

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working if someone can just write a quick um type down

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ward9 .ca in the chat i want to see if it pops up in the chat so you can

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just as i start to talk there um you guys can hear me and

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i could see and interact with you i just want to make sure that that's working before i get going

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here

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So it says,

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okay,

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looking forward to knowing what's happening.

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Okay, cool.

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Perfect.

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Okay,

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so we're here.

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Lovely.

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First thing,

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I see Liscard Residence Association,

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Tricia.

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Anyone,

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I don't know who,

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who is it from the Liscard Residence Association,

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from the LRA that is moderating?

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I'd love to hear from you if you were

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at the town hall in person or if you were following online.

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That works.

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Okay, awesome.

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Yeah, so who's the moderator?

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I don't know who the moderator is for LRA.

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Or the administrator,

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I guess it would be.

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Suzanne,

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good to see you.

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Suzanne is lovely.

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We've just chatted at Sue McFadden's launch

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party of the day.

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And it's been a great connection.

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Thank you so much for amplifying what we've been doing.

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Sue McFadden has been an amazing

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support as we navigate the whole data center piece.

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yeah and then the lra has come in as a great amplifier of

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that message to the war 10 people so i really do appreciate the way that you've

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been um getting the message out there there's quite a few people quite a

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few people too like the saga alliance has been great the stop the data the data center

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petition people have been fantastic as well um everybody has

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done their part to mobilize and have like

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I believe it was 250 people in the room of 200

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that we had for that town hall.

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So Suzanne,

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if you could just say,

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well,

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you were watching online.

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I'm going to talk about that online too.

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Moving forward with the online,

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we will definitely,

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one, have volunteers managing that.

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Two,

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there's an organization,

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a business called StreamYard.

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That does a kind of broadcast.

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So I might definitely will invest in doing better technology on

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that end.

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As you know,

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it was.

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chaos.

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It was a lot happening that day and we had lots of volunteers that

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were there helping to make it smooth in person.

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So thank you to Michelle from my office who we had volunteers.

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There were many.

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Steven Vieira is always an MVP for me and

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others. So they were handling the in -person and even when they overflow,

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when we hit capacity,

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we just asked people to just politely stand against the wall and it

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worked out because we didn't want to turn people away.

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We wanted every voice to be heard.

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We wanted people to have a first -hand site,

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and we also wanted to have the online available.

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But that building,

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the signal is bad,

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so it took me about a half an hour to get the live even started,

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even though I did a test run before.

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The test run worked,

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turned it off,

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ran around,

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got it started, and then it wouldn't cycle up.

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After that,

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then we did it, and then I dropped the feed altogether,

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and we had to start it again.

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So a lot of hiccups on the online side,

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but as you know,

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we landed at the right decision.

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We said stop.

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We said wait,

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we said learn.

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And the more I've talked with people about this after the fact,

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the better people are feeling about the fact that

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waiting and learning from other municipalities and

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creating the right guardrails so that Mississauga does not see a data center

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is the right way to go.

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Now...

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There is a lot of technology,

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a lot of talk that's happening in the background.

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I don't know who this NDA was with.

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I don't know what conversations are being had

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on the side.

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But I will tell you this.

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I have put a motion forward.

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I took all the information that I heard from you all

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and added different elements to it.

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We bolstered the motion that I had for it already.

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And then we added the piece about the land use designation.

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future applications will fall under a data center building

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code.

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I don't know what the right terminology is within Planning Speak,

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but right now it's zoned as a warehouse.

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We want a specific zoning for our data center.

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And sorry,

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just a quick side note,

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everybody.

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As you can see,

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I'm in my house,

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so there will be noise in the background.

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This is a real,

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this is like a closed.

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you know, perfect studio.

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This is me doing life and life is happening behind me.

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My wife's cooking dinner and all kinds of stuff is always happening.

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So there may be some background noise,

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but I have the mic on and please let me know if the audio is not working for

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you. So that

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being said, give me a thumbs up if you guys can hear me and everything's good.

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And I'll talk a little bit more about my motion here.

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Okay, great.

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So here's a question,

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and for those who don't see it in the feed,

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it's from the List Guards Residence Association,

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the LRA, saying,

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please explain the process from rejecting the proposal to making it permanent.

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I don't understand the process.

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Okay, so this is the process.

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We are going to,

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firstly,

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yes,

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make it permanent at your end.

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Okay, so this is the process.

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So I'm putting forth a motion and in the motion it is going to cite

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that there is not enough clarity in terms of the resources

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that are being used,

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energy,

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water, noise,

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etc.

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It's going to cite the fact that the employment numbers

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aren't very high and there's no community impact,

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no community improvements,

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no community benefits.

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It's going to cite the fact that it's labeled as a warehouse and therefore we need to

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change the zoning bylaws.

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And this is an interim control bylaw to change that to

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designate it as a data center.

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So all those pieces are in place.

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Now,

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within the year,

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we have,

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I'm actually working,

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thinking about even if we want to make it longer than a year.

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The thing that was already in the works was

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the city was working on a comprehensive data center

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review.

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So some of the work that's in this motion is already in play,

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and it's going to be fortified by this motion,

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giving direction to do it.

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So the next step will be after this year

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or in this year,

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when they come back,

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if they come back,

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well, sorry,

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no, the city staff has to come back with their report on the comprehensive review.

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At that point,

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we can put something on the floor to say we do not want this in Mississauga.

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So the first step is the one -year moratorium.

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The second step is when the review comes back from the city on the comprehensive

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data center review and the changing of the zoning and all those pieces have

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been put in place,

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then we can put forward on the floor a proposal to

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make data centers permanently not permitted as a land use

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in Mississauga.

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So I think those are the steps.

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I say I think because I'm still understanding the steps of it,

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but this is my intention.

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to ensure that there is that safety for our community,

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that there's a benefit for the Ward 9 area,

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and that we're setting up a template and a blueprint for the whole city.

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I

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think everyone needs to understand that I'm taking the charge

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on this because it's coming to Ward 9.

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Suba Fadan has locked arms with me because it

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abuts the Ward 10 area.

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We always joke that Ward 9,

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10, and 11 are a package deal because residents don't

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know or care about the boundaries.

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One,

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we all use all these different services.

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And I kind of like Sue.

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I kind of like Brad.

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I think that they're doing a good job and we want to continue to work together to

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do what's right for our community.

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Now,

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the motion was something I had planned.

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to do before the town hall because I personally

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believe that whatever happens at Ward 9 should

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work concentrically out to the rest of the city.

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And I've used that philosophy with working with our young people,

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for example.

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The dam has worked with young people for many years.

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I worked there in 1999 through 2006.

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And the things that are happening at the dam are leading the city,

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leading the province,

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leading the country.

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And that started in Ward 9.

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There's a Cooksville location.

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There are some other things that have happened since that are massive.

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And maybe I'll share that later in the day,

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some of the full circle moments there.

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Same thing with many of the other things that we're working on.

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The planet used some youth strategies.

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A lot of the work with our cycling infrastructure are multi -use trails.

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I've said completely no to lanes.

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It has to be multi -use trails.

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And I'll talk about that in a second as well.

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But I want Ward 9 to lead

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the city when it comes to certain things.

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So here's a question from Michael,

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or maybe it's a question or comment.

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But this is bigger than Ward 9 -10 -11.

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The mayor should be driving the bus on this.

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Is that fair expectation?

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Well,

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you know,

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that's a good point.

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So the mayor should be,

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sorry,

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you're saying the mayor should be driving the bus on this?

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Is that a fair expectation?

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You know,

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I do respect Mayor Parrish in this,

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in many ways,

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but in this regard,

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because I have a good working relationship with Parrish.

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She respects us as counselors.

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She respects us as the authority on our space.

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She would not say to me,

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and she's done this to me in the past,

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there's a building proposal or development and it doesn't look like it's right.

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She'll ask me,

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what do you think about this?

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What do you want from this?

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And follow my lead.

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There's a respect between us as counselors where they could say,

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what do you want?

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I'll follow your lead.

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Now,

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because this started in Ward 9 and we're talking specifically about Prologis,

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I take the lead on it.

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When it bleeds into emotion for the whole city,

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this is where we have a conversation and this is where the

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mayor will take the lead for the city,

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but she will respect the months of work that I've put into

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this file.

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And we'll work together and we'll land

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at a resolve.

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And I know there's enough support from council to do this pause and to take the

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steps as we just talked about.

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Next question here.

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So I'm so glad the feed is working.

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So next question here says,

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is it true that even if the council does not vote for rezoning,

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Prologis can appeal to the OLT and

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overturn this decision?

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I have to find out about that.

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I don't know because what we're putting in is called the interim bylaw

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control.

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One second here.

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That the staff prepare an interim control bylaw pursuant to Section

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38 of the Planning Act for council's consideration that temporarily prohibits the

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establishment of major digital infrastructure facilities

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throughout Mississauga.

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So the interim control bylaw is what is guiding this

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principle right now.

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So that's what we have to work with.

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And I will find out if they have the opportunity to overturn a tribunal.

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Don't think so,

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but let me find out more about that.

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I'm actually going to screenshot so I can ask that question specifically.

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There you go.

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Okay. Thanks,

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Giovanna.

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That's a great question.

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And stop

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the data center at Liskar.

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Yes.

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I'm going to read your comment here.

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Regarding the Prologis Data Center,

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I understand your position is to reject the proposal.

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I saw the video you reposted to your story.

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Excited that the project will no longer be approved.

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Is it true,

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or will the application go through by voter counsel?

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Okay,

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no, thank you.

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Let's take some time with that,

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because I really believe that we need that reassurance that this is something

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that counsel has support of.

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You heard Sumi Fadden say,

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that she's against it.

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You've seen Council Tedrell's comments,

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Demurla's comments.

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I've had phone calls.

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After Thursday night,

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I sent a message to everyone on council.

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I thanked them for their support,

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gave them a rundown of what happened at the town hall,

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gave them a review of what I said that we're going to stop,

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wait, and learn.

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And I got support from everyone.

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You know, good job.

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You handled that well,

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that sort of thing.

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So we have the votes of council.

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for this and there will be a conversation around the motion and

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please watch it so that's what i was going to mention tonight as well

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so july 29th will be the council session where we bring this

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forward where this motion comes onto the floor we recess for the month of july

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and then we have one meeting at the end of july just to tidy

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up any bylaws anything that may have come up

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that may need council approval.

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So at this one meeting,

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we will address this.

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And also,

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credit to Mayor Parrish,

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she was looking into whether we need to do a

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special council for this.

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And I think that it's best that we do it on the 29th because everyone will be

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in person.

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I mean, some people may be away and that sort of thing.

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But if we were to do a special council,

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then that's normally something that's just done online.

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It doesn't have the same effect.

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We want to make sure that there is the impact that we want with this.

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And so July 29th,

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please put in your calendar.

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S… Speaker 1 (MR7)

Actually,

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just on a side note,

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if you go into mississauga .ca,

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go into councils,

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you can set up an alert.

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And the alert will let you know when the council session is going to happen.

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And it'll send you the agenda and all those different things.

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It's actually automated.

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And a lot of people don't know that that's a tool that we have in our toolbox.

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So you can stay engaged at a council level.

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Okay, good.

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So Michael's comment,

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I think maybe in response to what I said earlier,

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said, fair.

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What we want to avoid is this goes from

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Ward 910 to another zone.

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when we reject this data center bill.

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Yes, exactly.

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No, I agree.

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So I'm doing the work of two things here.

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I'm one,

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protecting Ward 9,

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first and foremost,

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as the elected official there.

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Two,

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I've locked arms with Sue to protect Ward 10.

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And three,

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we've drafted a motion where I'm motioning it and she is seconding it to

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protect the city.

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So

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Liscar Resident Association asks,

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what can residents do in support of your motion to stop the project?

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I think the best thing you can do is to talk

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to people who live within the city to send

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an email to their city councilor to reinforce your

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position on it.

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Our teams are ready.

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S… Speaker 2 (MR7)

Our office staff is awesome.

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And if you were to send them a simple letter to Councillor Fonseca and say,

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you know, I saw what Councillor Reid is doing.

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I trust that you're going to support his motion.

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I don't want to make it sound like I'm lobbying you to do this.

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That is your own will to do that.

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But that's the mechanics of it.

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The petitions are good,

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but I'll say this about petitions.

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And the data center,

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where are you here?

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S… Speaker 2 (MR7)

Stop the data center at LISCAR,

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go.

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This is something I learned from Pat Sato.

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I'm not throwing her in the bus when I say this.

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She was saying that you have to take petitions with

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a grain of salt.

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And this is,

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I think it might be a bit of an old school perspective.

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When petitions used to come out,

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It would be a person who would walk around with a petition and

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they get you to sign it on paper and then they submit that paper to counsel.

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And the reason why people were generally

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skeptical of petitions in the past is because you couldn't control what

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was said to make the person sign.

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So I'll give you an example.

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If I wanted to do a petition against people having their dogs off leash.

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I can walk up to someone and say,

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five dogs were attacked in this neighborhood.

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I want you to sign this to make sure that people don't have

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their dogs off leash.

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And you're like, oh,

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I don't want another dog to bite somebody,

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so let me sign off.

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And then they submit it,

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and then it says,

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we don't want dogs off leash in our park,

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but you can't control what was said to each individual.

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So the petition didn't hold as much weight because you could have manipulated the person to sign

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a petition.

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In our digital age,

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I think they were in a good spot.

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So our stop the data center at Liskar petition is a perfect example of a way that

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has some weight because everyone is seeing the same text and then

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they're doing the petition digitally.

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So that control is in place.

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So I think the petitions hold some weight nowadays,

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but I understand why traditionally they didn't hold the

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same weight because you didn't know what was being said to get a signature.

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Now, that being said,

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here's the other nuance to this as a politician,

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and I will say this without throwing shade at my council colleagues who

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are doing petitions right now.

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When you do a petition,

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I get information.

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I have your name,

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phone number,

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your posticle,

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whatever it is.

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A list is powerful.

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S… Speaker 1 (MR7)

In business,

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a list is powerful.

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S… Speaker 1 (MR7)

In politics,

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a list is powerful.

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So on one level,

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I'm getting people to sign a petition.

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On the other level,

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I'm getting the power of a list.

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This data center petition,

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you have the power of a list.

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You now have people that you can email to mobilize.

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You can tell everyone who signed digitally to show up in person.

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So I think those petitions are good from that perspective.

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But I understand how there was some skepticism about it back then.

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So please sign the petitions.

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S… Speaker 2 (MR7)

There's multiple petitions out there.

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Sign all those petitions,

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but know that those people now control your information.

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S… Speaker 2 (MR7)

You can do it.

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S… Speaker 2 (MR7)

If there's options to do it in a private way,

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you can do that.

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Protecting yourself is the most important thing,

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but those petitions do have some strength nowadays because there's more

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of a consistent way of doing it.

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S… Speaker 1 (MR7)

Sorry,

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let me get back to someone's comments here.

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