Woody 2026 part 3
May 29, 2026 14:15
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Speaker 3 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Hi Woody, it's Richard here.
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How you doing?
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Hey,
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
alright.
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How are you, mate?
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Not bad,
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Speaker 3 (Woody 2026 part 3)
mate. Good to speak to you again,
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Woody. Last time I saw you was,
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I think it was January,
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at Tom's Place when they launched the thing about Bowie's childhood home.
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Were you down at that?
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Oh yeah.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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That was a great night,
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wasn't it?
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It was a good night,
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yeah, it was.
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Yeah.
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Yes,
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I suppose what we'll do is we'll start around,
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Woody, as obviously Holly Holly are back,
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and from what I've read,
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this is going to be the last tour.
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Are you definitely...
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kind of going to put a final point on it now or are you going to leave it
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open because,
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you know,
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I know you and Tony,
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there'd been the kind of COVID thing and now you're back together again.
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Just tell us about how it came back together again and what you're planning to do,
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first of all.
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It was really,
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the COVID thing was
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a big disagreement.
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Yeah.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Absolutely.
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Many people probably went through it with friends and family.
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Yeah.
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And we couldn't resolve it,
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basically.
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We couldn't resolve it at the time without going into minor details
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and major details.
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So they actually did a tour without me.
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And then I kind
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of took a look at it.
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I kind of went,
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OK, that's it,
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basically.
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You know what I mean?
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And then I just thought,
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hang on, you know,
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I'm a grown -up.
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Yeah.
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Most of the time.
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Not always,
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but most of the time.
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It's stupid.
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Let me go through all the upsets on it and the
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disagreements.
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Because I never really got a chance to...
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It was heated at the time,
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shall we say.
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Yeah.
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So I thought,
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well, I at least owe the whole thing that.
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So I went around them all individually.
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And we really just ironed out the...
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And it wasn't things
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that were obvious on the surface that pissed us off,
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or pissed me off,
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shall I say.
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It was just little side things that were not
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necessary and not professional.
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And the COVID thing kind of caused all that.
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Yeah.
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Whereas we'd never had any problems like that before,
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you know.
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So we ironed those out.
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And I said, OK, we'll just,
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if we have another pandemic,
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then let's not do that.
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Let's agree that we are going to do that.
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That's not OK.
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That's not the way to handle it.
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And let's sit down properly.
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Have a heated debate.
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And
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everybody basically agreed,
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because they all really liked it.
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Yeah, of course.
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They liked the line -up,
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and it worked.
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And we had fun,
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and audiences everywhere we played were fantastic.
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So that kind of got it back on
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the road. And then as I was looking at...
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kind of expanding our frontiers,
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as it were,
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starting with the set list that included more
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tracks that Tony had been involved with and ones
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that we thought we could do a really good job on.
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It's changed the whole set list,
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which is good.
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And then...
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What was my point?
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I'm trying to think what my point was.
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So, yeah, just the new set list,
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Woody, like, because I noticed you had a picture of Lowe promoting the tour.
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Yeah,
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like, one of the things that I realised,
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because I was trying to get hold of promoters
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and stuff like that,
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just doing my bit on it to kick it all off again.
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I realised that we'd done,
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like, I think since...
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Since 2014,
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which is when we started,
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we'd done it all without an agent.
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Yeah.
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Which, when I looked at it,
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I went, that's fucking...
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Because I found it hard to get hold of promoters.
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Yeah.
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I got hold of a couple,
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but they didn't really want to talk to an
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artist.
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And I thought,
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that's really weird because I never had problems getting a hold of anybody in the business.
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Yeah,
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yeah.
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Why is that?
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And then it was like,
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well, yeah, promoters don't want to fucking deal with an artist.
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I was like,
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no, that's nice.
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And then I went,
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hell, we've done all this without an agent,
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which is a bit unheard of.
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Yeah.
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It's all been word of mouth and then promoters coming in on the word of mouth and
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going, we want to do this,
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we want to put you on here.
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And then it expanded that way
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and I went, shit.
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So that's why it's been tough.
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It's been a little tough sometimes putting a solid tour together
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that was worth doing.
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So basically we found an agent and
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he was really into it and then promoters started to come on board
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a lot more.
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um but then what happened like tony's
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producing glenn is doing heaven 17 and tv music
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yeah uh paul is doing boomtown rats and
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um the keyboard player jeannette uh
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has got her own jazz thing that started to take off doing ronnie
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scott's and whatever and uh and it just got
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like impossible to to
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You know, when you're trying to put the two together,
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especially after the whole COVID thing,
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what happened was,
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what happened,
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I think,
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is a lot of the major artists that don't really have
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trouble selling out at all started,
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their agents booked up all the venues,
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whether they were going to do that venue or not.
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They just booked it up and pencilled it in.
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So when our guys went along,
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it was like, no,
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we can't get that one,
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we can't get that one.
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And we ended up with like scattered dates that financially
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were not going to work.
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It just didn't,
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the numbers didn't add up and it was like fucking.
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And it took a real effort to,
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because you don't want like a gig and then five days off.
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and then two gigs and then four days off.
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You know what I mean?
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Absolutely,
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yeah.
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You don't build any momentum as a band.
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No.
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And you're spending all the money you've just earned in hotels and
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expenses.
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So it just got fucking
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hell. This is getting really hard because they're all busy and we
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had to fit it in with venue availability.
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promoters that were interested in those dates and
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whether whether the band members were all free yeah and
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then he got into well we found a replacement for him if that's hard on that day
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and then he's got a flower from fucking czechoslovakia
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back to do liverpool you know what i mean it got really fucking stupid
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yeah and he was like well maybe maybe maybe this is not workable
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yeah you know so that that came up and then i think what happened
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is um
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That idea kind of spread that it was getting so difficult,
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maybe this is the last one we can get together.
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And then somebody in one of the promoters
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camp...
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put something out of,
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like, the last tour.
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Do you know what I mean?
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And it was like,
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oh, for fuck's sake.
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And then that spread like fucking wildfire.
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And I was like,
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oh, I can't be bothered to fucking go through all that and explain it all.
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Ah, yeah,
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yeah, of course,
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yeah. So,
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you know,
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if it is,
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which it was for getting this tour together...
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almost impossible to put one together that works,
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that we can string dates together that make sense,
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then it is the last tour.
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If that changes or if band members
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are more available for different reasons and all that,
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if that all clicks a bit better,
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then it won't be the last tour.
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Yeah, I mean,
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it's interesting that,
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Woody, because obviously I remember we spoke and when you were playing
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at the beginning,
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you know,
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David's birthday was there and there was a direct link with David.
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And I suppose,
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holy holy, that there is a direct link and you've kind of kept the flame going for
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a decade now.
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It's 10 years since David died.
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I mean,
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does it feel like there's a bit of a...
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responsibility in that because you must have met so many fans
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that, I mean,
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being at the gig in Glasgow many times,
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the only tour I didn't go on was the one you weren't on because I said,
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it's not the same without Woody.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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I told all my mates to do the same.
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But no,
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seriously, I didn't go to that.
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But when I have gone,
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Woody, and you've been there,
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there's a tremendous sense of catharsis.
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And I was there before David died as well at the very first tour and I loved it.
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So I knew the difference between the two things.
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So I suppose I've always wanted to ask you,
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you know, it's 10 years now and you're the last spider.
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Do you feel that sort of sense of responsibility?
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Because that period of David's music where you joined him,
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1970 going up to 73,
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I mean, it's really the essential foundation of his work,
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if you like,
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isn't it?
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yeah it was really i mean you know whether you can call
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it or look on all parts yeah
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we we we knew what we were doing as a as
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a backing band if you like uh what to do with rock
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and we'd never come up through the folk um
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genre, I fucking hated folk music.
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Really,
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because it was a bit eh noni no,
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you know what I mean?
10:45
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That was my version of it,
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you know what I mean?
10:49
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Yeah, yeah.
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Jingling a bell or whatever and going,
10:53
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
everybody's saying eh noni no no,
10:55
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eh noni.
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you know, around the fucking stones we go,
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
whatever.
10:59
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And they'd never had good drums on it.
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
that's a good point.
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So it was like,
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I never looked at that.
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I liked odd things like Simon and Garfunkel,
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but they were different.
11:12
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They were folky,
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but kind of,
11:16
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I don't know,
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what I thought were good songs.
11:20
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah, absolutely,
11:21
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yeah.
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Anyway.
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So when we had to kind of get together with David and he was,
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as he writes on 12th string,
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they came across very folky.
11:35
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah.
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Especially in the early days.
11:38
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And so it was our
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game,
11:43
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
if you like,
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
to turn it,
11:45
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
he wanted it to be a rock and roll band.
11:48
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah.
11:49
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So it was like,
11:51
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
how do we do this?
11:53
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And Mick was really good at going,
11:55
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
well,
11:56
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I'm not playing that pansy chord.
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Fuck that,
12:02
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I've never played that.
12:03
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I won't come across in rock.
12:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
This was at the time anyway.
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I'll play that and I'll play it straight.
12:12
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It needs to be more straight ahead of the beat.
12:15
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So luckily we
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played together and we knew how each of the played.
12:34
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah. Yeah.
12:43
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You know, otherwise he didn't work.
12:45
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He couldn't go out in 1968 and go,
12:47
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
we're an original band.
12:48
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Not when he was semi -pro anyway.
12:51
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
If you wanted to work,
12:52
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you had to do some of what some of the audience were listening
12:57
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
to.
12:57
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
We never went near top.
12:59
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We didn't go near top ten,
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
really.
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
That kind of stuff.
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Unless there was a good track in the top ten.
13:06
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
But what you learned was what a song should feel like as an arrangement
13:11
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and dynamics.
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You kind of learned that instinctively,
13:17
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so we could put that into his songs.
13:21
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yes.
13:22
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And then you knew when the arrangement was right,
13:25
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
it felt natural,
13:26
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
it built right in the right places.
13:28
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And it worked.
13:31
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And we kind of got on as individuals.
13:35
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But the sense of humour was the same.
13:37
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah.
13:38
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Basically the same.
13:39
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
We'd come up through Monty Python and The Goons and
13:44
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Not The Nine O 'Clock News and all that left field type stuff.
13:48
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Absolutely,
13:49
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
yeah.
13:50
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So we could just break into that in the middle of the tour if you're in
13:54
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
a car.
13:55
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Somebody would just go...
13:57
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You know,
13:57
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I'd be in shopping,
13:58
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you know.
13:59
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
It would come out,
14:01
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you know.
14:02
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
It was fucking funny.
14:03
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You know,
14:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
it was hilarious.
14:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You could do that in the middle of a session,
14:09
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you know.
14:10
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah, I mean,
14:11
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that's quite important because,
14:12
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you know,
14:13
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
although David was from kind of the London area and what have you,
14:17
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you did share that sense of humour,
14:19
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
didn't you?
14:19
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Because you were part of the same generation.
14:21
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You grew up on the same things,
14:22
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
in a sense.
14:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah, yeah.
14:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And I think his father was from Yorkshire.
14:27
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So that was kind of,
14:29
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it was kind of in the blood.
14:31
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You know what I mean?
14:32
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He got it.
14:33
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And even Tony Visconti,
14:35
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I mean, we'd never really met,
14:36
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we'd never really worked with
14:40
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an American before.
14:41
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I don't think I'd ever,
14:42
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I'd had an American.
14:45
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
school friend when i was at secondary school but nobody else understood
14:49
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
and didn't get on with him and i did but tody was kind
14:54
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
of unique yeah it was uh you know new
14:58
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
york
15:01
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
some good productions and we didn't know if we'd get on
15:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
with him but he got that whole humour thing straight away you know
15:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
so it was like okay this works and I think that's it is
15:13
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important that you do have that sense of humour that you can
15:17
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
jump on whenever you need it or if it gets too dark
15:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
in a session
15:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
do you know what i mean
15:32
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
It's so fucking weird that you can't have a fight,
15:35
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
really, you know?
15:36
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah, yeah,
15:36
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
yeah. I mean,
15:37
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
that's...
15:38
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I wanted to ask you about the difference between,
15:40
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you know,
15:41
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
working with Trevor Boulder and Tony,
15:43
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because, you know,
15:44
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
obviously at the start,
15:45
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you know, it's Tony on bass,
15:47
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
and I spoke to him a few years ago,
15:49
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and he was talking about the jazz influence on some of the tracks,
15:53
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and there is a lot of swing on it,
15:55
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
but I was thinking about Ziggy Stardust,
15:58
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and, you know,
15:58
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
there is a bit of swing on the likes of Hang On To Yourself,
16:01
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Mean Age,
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I mean,
16:20
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Trevor was really fantastic.
16:26
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
he could carry a tune just on bass and if mic
16:30
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
stopped or did it it's it was still there you
16:34
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
know what i mean yeah the audience knew where they were because of what he was playing
16:38
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
um and it was loud so
16:43
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you didn't get a drop you didn't get a hole um and he'd
16:47
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
come through he'd come up through jack bruce and um which
16:51
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
was a bit jazzy on the uh
16:54
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Jack Bruce solo stuff,
16:56
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
there was a lot of jazz influence on that.
16:58
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I mean,
17:02
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
a lot of times Trevor would,
17:03
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you know,
17:04
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
get the bass part and he would work a part out
17:08
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
and Nick would go,
17:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
what are you playing?
17:10
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And he'd go,
17:12
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
well, this, and he'd go,
17:13
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
fucking hell, I'm going to nick that.
17:15
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I'm having that because I can double on that,
17:19
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I can play against that.
17:20
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So a lot of it came from Trevor's...
17:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
melodic bass playing.
17:26
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He didn't do the obvious,
17:28
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you know what I mean?
17:29
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And that just gave
17:33
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
it, I don't know,
17:35
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
everything kind of gave it a little bit of special or
17:39
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
a special approach.
17:41
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So you got like four or five influences that
17:45
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
were...
17:46
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
That worked,
17:47
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
but probably shouldn't have done.
17:50
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah,
17:50
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
absolutely.
17:52
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
By the way you're talking,
17:54
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
it sounds like Mick Ronson,
17:55
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
his role was kind of like a bandleader,
17:57
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
would he?
17:58
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Like the way he would arrange things with you and the way he would,
18:00
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you know, home in on something Trevor was doing and he'd say,
18:03
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
let's keep that.
18:04
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
It sounds like he was a natural bandleader in the Spiders.
18:08
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah, he was.
18:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I mean, you know,
18:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
at the time when I met him,
18:11
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I played with him maybe three years before we joined Bowie.
18:15
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And he never mentioned that he played fucking cello
18:20
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and piano.
18:22
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He never mentioned it.
18:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And you think,
18:25
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
fucking rad.
18:25
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And I guess it wasn't cool.
18:28
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
You know what I mean?
18:29
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
It was like you were a fucking rock guitarist.
18:34
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
don't fucking tell me i play recorder as well you know what i mean yeah
18:38
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
yeah so it was probably an image thing that he didn't even
18:42
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
tell us yeah yeah and it was weird because it turned out
18:46
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
when when he i mean he helped tony do
18:50
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
arrange write the arrangements out on man who sold the world because
18:54
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
tony had a lot of parts to write so if there was like i don't know six violin parts
18:59
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
that were all the same um
19:03
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Nick would write some of them out for him,
19:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
so he got used to doing this.
19:06
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And one day he just said,
19:07
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I could fucking do this.
19:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And I went, really?
19:10
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Are you not just copying?
19:11
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He said, no, no,
19:11
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I read music.
19:12
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I was like,
19:13
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
what?
19:14
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He never fucking told me that.
19:16
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He said,
19:16
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
yeah, I did piano.
19:18
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I went, what,
19:19
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
you play piano as well?
19:20
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
He said, yeah.
19:20
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And it turned out that he'd done all his piano
19:25
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
grids with Trevor's grandmother.
19:28
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
before Trevor and Mick even knew each other.
19:31
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Speaker 2 (Woody 2026 part 3)
That's amazing,
19:32
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
isn't it?
19:33
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah,
19:34
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
like really fucking weird.
19:35
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
Yeah.
19:36
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
So then he said,
19:40
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I'm going to go for this.
19:41
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I'm going to learn.
19:43
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
I didn't learn on arranging and that and piano.
19:46
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Speaker 1 (Woody 2026 part 3)
And he went in between one of the tours.
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Wow,
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