helga (1)

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Well,

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thank you Helga for accepting this interview.

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Maybe just we'll begin to kind

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of this kind of general question.

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And you said it in your talks

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and conference,

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but I have to record it now.

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So I just want to know how

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do you arrive?

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to this work of its Super 8 films.

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How do you begin working?

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How do you find it?

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And what do you find there?

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It's a very special story

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because I had no connection.

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I was not at all familiar with experimental filmmaking.

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I was not even very much interested in it.

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Storytelling movies,

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you know, I saw them,

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but I wasn't a cinefilm.

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But I was very fond of literature

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and poetry.

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And it happened that at some point,

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a long time ago now,

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in the middle of the 80s,

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and I was not young any longer then already,

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that a friend,

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an artist,

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young artist,

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Swiss artist,

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who had studied at the Art School of Frankfurt.

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in the film class of Peter Kubelka,

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the avant -garde filmmaker.

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I know, I know him.

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You know. So anyway,

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and when he had finished the school,

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in order to make a little money,

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he offered a workshop,

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a small workshop in a little artist

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-run structure,

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and he called the workshop Super 8 as

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an artistic medium.

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And he was very close to my former boyfriend and

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he asked me,

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would you like to participate?

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And I had no idea.

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I couldn't understand why he asked me.

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I had nothing to do with film.

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I never had a camera.

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I had no interest in making films.

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I was in writing,

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you know, more.

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So after thinking about and discussing with my

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friend, boyfriend,

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he said,

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well, maybe it's interesting.

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But finally I decided to participate,

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to do a favor to the friend.

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So that he had somebody more to give him a little money,

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you know.

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So it was not for the...

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No, not at all.

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It was nothing.

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And it was a small group and all the others were already,

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you know,

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they were ambitious to work in the experimental cinema

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and even to some of them hoping that they could get into

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the art school.

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So anyway,

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I was the only one naive.

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And yeah,

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it didn't last a lot of time,

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but I bought my first Super 8 camera,

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I bought my first projector,

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I bought my first little editing thing,

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you know.

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And we met,

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we went out together and shot

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with Super 8.

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and we got the result immediately because

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there was a lab in Frankfurt and when we met the next time we

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screened all the films that we had made and we

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were analyzing talking about so this was my first film

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school let's say a little

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A little beginning.

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A little beginning.

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So,

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sorry, what were you doing until that?

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You were, like, writing?

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I was,

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no, at the time I was not writing.

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I was teaching German

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and French and Italian literature and language,

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because in my first life I studied literatures

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and languages,

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you know.

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And I would have liked to be a good poet in

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writing, but I was never satisfied.

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I think that's the thing.

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I'm interested in that because I think there's a kind of thing there also,

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you know, poetry,

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also literature and experience maybe that...

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Yeah, but what is so strange that with the Super 8 later,

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it was not from the beginning,

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I found out that this poetic thing

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in me.

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Yeah.

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It is the visual.

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It is not so much through the words.

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Not at all through the words.

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But at the beginning I didn't know.

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I was naive.

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I was the only one naive.

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And then the workshop was over.

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And I had

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already found out that it was wonderful to go out

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with my camera as I do always,

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you know, when I'm free.

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And to see...

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the world with wide open eyes and with a feeling you know to what

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is what I observe what I see and what touches

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me and I continue to make films but not

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not thinking I will become a filmmaker but then

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after a while when I

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got back my very first film where I sensed

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that I have,

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I can use the camera as my medium.

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This was really,

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my heart was bumping,

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you know.

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And my boyfriend,

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who was a visual artist,

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he said it's a good film.

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And everybody who saw the film,

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they all said it is really a good film,

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you know.

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And good in a way,

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you know, it was very simple,

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but it was a strong,

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small,

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work,

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my first work.

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You know?

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And this was amazing.

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And after a while,

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because I got in touch with the people of the workshop,

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some of them,

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and I showed them my film sometimes.

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And they suggested that I should approach

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Kuvelka,

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go to the film class.

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But I hesitated because I was afraid of Kubica.

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He was very authoritarian in his aesthetics

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and as a person.

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And since it was such,

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I just had discovered a little plant,

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you know, I was afraid that he would destroy it.

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So I hesitated.

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Then after quite a while,

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I don't remember now the time,

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so then I went,

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he was very,

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I have to say,

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very generous.

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I could ask him whether I could just attend his classes

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as a guest,

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you know, as an informal guest.

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And he agreed it.

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And so at the end,

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I...

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I stayed with him for five years.

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I became later an art student of

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the school, but it approached...

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slowly yes so and this was very good because I

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really thought I have it was a revolution in my life

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and even though I did not agree with everything of

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Kubelka but he had a vision of what film is

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you know his teaching is so he it was precious

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Although it was not easy to be an old student,

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you know, I was in the age of the professors and

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the others were young,

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but I did it and it was very good and since

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then I went on.

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to create my way of filmmaking as

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you saw yesterday.

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Yes.

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It's interesting that Welco was the kind

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of bridge also because he has a very intellectual thing

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of point of view,

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of structure of the film and the composition.

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It's a kind of very intellectual thing,

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I think.

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Yeah,

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he's not really an intellectual,

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in my opinion.

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But he's kind of defining what film is,

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you know,

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image by image,

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then the montage thing,

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so it must be precise.

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But what was interesting me was really

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this...

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conscious working with the medium.

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So I was not attracted by his structural discourses.

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But fortunately he saw

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that my approach with Super 8 was good.

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You know because it was it was different from what he taught

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but on the other hand he taught an artistic Responsibility

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for what you are doing and this I found out

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myself.

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This was very important for me.

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And through him also,

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you know, I learned to know experimental filmmakers

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before me,

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you know.

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So I had no,

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you know, I was not touched at all by film before.

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So slowly...

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thanks to attending his class and going here

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at some point he invited always his students to

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the film museum in Vienna whose collection of experimental film

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he created so I knew the whole history his

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history what he likes you know but still it was very important

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and but what was good on the other hand

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that I had already

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I found my approach,

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you know?

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So this was a big chance.

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Absolutely,

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yes, yes,

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yes. I was thinking if these

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plants that you,

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you know,

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it was related with the...

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proximity you know a kind of possibility an artisan

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also a mode of production I think that is near you know it's a

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kind of work in cinema and art also that begins with a

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big thing a little thing you know it's also all the things

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you said yesterday about that you know it's about also the

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deep spaces you know working on concentrate

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you know

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It begins a kind of work with this logic of production.

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Thank you,

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I had breakfast.

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I will eat later.

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No, no, it's good.

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S… Speaker 1 (helga (1))

It's good?

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S… Speaker 1 (helga (1))

Really?

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I just wonder what it is.

11:07

S… Speaker 1 (helga (1))

It's sarepa.

11:08

S… Speaker 1 (helga (1))

It's called sarepa.

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S… Speaker 2 (helga (1))

Sarepa?

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S… Speaker 1 (helga (1))

It's sarepa and it's not with bread.

11:13

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It's a kind of with corn.

11:16

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Oh, it's corn.

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Corn.

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Yes, corn.

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If you want to prove it.

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S… Speaker 2 (helga (1))

No, thank you.

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And I don't eat meat.

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S… Speaker 1 (helga (1))

You don't eat meat?

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Okay, okay.

11:25

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Is it,

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you can have it with cheese also?

11:28

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Yeah,

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yeah, cheese and maybe champignons,

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champignons,

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cheese.

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So anyway,

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I had just breakfast.

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Is it your breakfast?

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Yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah,

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you see it,

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what I,

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that was,

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you know, going,

11:45

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learning to go out into the world with the camera,

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it changed my...

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the focusing on what speaks

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to me.

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And then to find out,

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to transport that into a cinematic thing.

12:03

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This was,

12:04

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I had to learn that,

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you know, but learning by doing and enjoying it,

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you know.

12:10

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So it's a state of mind,

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you know, to concentrate,

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to really to get in touch.

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almost physically,

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you know, with what I'm discovering,

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what is speaking to me.

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But it's the real world,

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you know, what I find in the real world.

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Yes, yes.

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What's there,

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if you discover it,

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you know, and if you respond to it.

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So it was a process.

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Yes.

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Also,

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it's a kind of...

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Let's put it that way,

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a kind of positive limitations of the resource.

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Is this a kind of attraction also in this grade?

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You know what I mean?

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It's a poor medium.

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It's a poor in the sense,

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it's not meant to be the big painting.

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It's a drawing.

13:02

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It's a little sketch.

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It's more when you relate to visual art.

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I think it's not the sort of...

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elaborated perfection but it has the liveliness

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of the context absolutely in doing also with you know the gesture

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of filming is very important yeah and it's related to

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me to my body to everything yeah to my vision to

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my feeling to mine let's

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say aesthetic concern the what i developed yes yes while

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i'm doing it and this

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This combination is a state of production which

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I still enjoy.

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I got so close to what

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is there and not only done by men.

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So in a rich world

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and we focus so much only on other things.

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Also interesting thing you said yesterday,

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well, you don't use editing,

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you know, you are camera editing,

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so also there are like fragments of this approach,

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you know?

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Yeah,

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the fragment,

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yes, but the fragment...

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content that you see it better because fragment

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and fragment and fragment and make visible my cinematic

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version of the world.

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It's not realistic,

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you know?

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It's a creation.

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A creation,

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absolutely.

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But with respect for what I film.

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Absolutely,

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yes.

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And also,

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what was interesting about yesterday,

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that i think is part also of all the situation is also the

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exhibition but it's not just a projection because it's a kind of remontage

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the exhibition is a montage and you make the selection of the of the

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yeah this is the only montage after

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Yes.

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But this came because,

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as I said,

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sometimes it's really fragments,

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very short pieces or maximum length three minutes and something.

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And when I never considered a

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single film as now,

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you know, my work,

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I had the feeling I'm in the process of

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creation.

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And a single film is not meant.

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to be combined with a next film or a film before.

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But when I had more films,

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you know, and I can tell you the first experience to

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combine work,

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that was when I was still an art student with Kubelka and

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the film class was in Frankfurt was invited by

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the

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communal cinema to present work and without

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one exception all the other students tried hard to

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work like Kubecker you know 60 millimeter precise montage

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and so on and so I asked him what I

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should do you know with my little pieces so he said why

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don't you choose make a small selection and combine

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them and that

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became my first experience with making this kind of

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montage.

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So I chose four films for the first time.

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It was my first public screening,

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you know.

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So,

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four films.

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And then I found out that with

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the four films I can do so many combinations.

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And I tried a series of them,

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I put apart and I connected them again.

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And that was my first experience of montage

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of my films.

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So that I can find out an

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order which at least I think is the best

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one. You see,

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but the way you see the single film

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changes in the combination.

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And that was my beginning that I had developed

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this until now.

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Okay.

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And also there's the...

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You want to say something else?

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No.

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No, no.

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And also,

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wait,

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well, two things.

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You go with your films.

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It's you and your films.

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It's not separate things.

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And also you talk like you get and you make

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a kind of personal context,

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you know, of not explanation but just to

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dialogue.

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Intervention is very important to like feel all

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the things, you know.

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But I have to say that is a very,

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at the beginning I didn't talk at all.

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You know, when I stood at the projector,

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public order.

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was clapping I didn't even go in front I did it was all

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it now you know I oh yeah I can I can

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give you an explanation this yesterday was the format master

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class yeah so even though I don't like to turn but it was meant to

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give an insight in my working process I don't

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do it always like that

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Just a little bit.

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This was a special occasion.

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They asked me to

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give a master class.

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So the next projections they will

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project and maybe I will,

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it depends if there's time,

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you know, I can talk a little bit again.

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But yesterday it was meant really to give an introduction.

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But for a long time

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I didn't talk at all.

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My thing was,

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I thought, all I have to say is in the films.

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It's right that,

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you know, it's okay.

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This thing,

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well,

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just about the works,

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you know,

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the films, well...

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There's different things,

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you know,

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very different movements and poetics and colors.

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The second part was very colorful,

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for example,

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very, very colorful.

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But I was thinking in a kind of persistent

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vision, you know,

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it's a kind of experience of persistence of the vision,

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you know, a concentrated vision.

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I think it's very important to focus

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on that thing in your film,

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but also...

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about cinema you know contemporary cinema you know what is to simply to watch

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you know there's a kind of need sometimes to

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really come you know that the absolutely basic thing of cinema you

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know yeah I'm much closer to the early cinema purely

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purely cinematic vision

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work.

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It's true.

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I found out,

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you know, it was not on my mind from the beginning because I had to learn to understand

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myself what I'm doing,

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you know.

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But I'm convinced now,

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knowing more about history and so on.

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But it was not a project,

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you know.

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It came through experience.

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It was not a strategy.

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The way I show and work

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with my work

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it came out of the necessity of the medium.

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You know,

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because, for example,

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I go back to this first experience showing the

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four films,

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you know,

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in this first screening.

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And this was in a cinema,

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of a Cinetechka in Frankfurt.

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And I had no experience.

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I saw my films projected always in a small

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space,

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either in my home or at the art

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school.

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And then,

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in this presentation of the works of the

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film class,

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my films were projected from the booth.

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It was a nightmare for me.

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I thought it's not my films any longer.

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I was not close any longer.

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It was not good.

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