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Max Naaman is still practicing law.

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He's in his 70s,

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though he looks some 20 years younger.

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And he recalls as being a lawyer for the

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unemployed councils at the time.

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Weren't the people in those days being evicted?

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Oh,

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yes, they sure were.

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Until

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some later years,

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when the Relief Administration began to pay the rents.

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welfare victims there

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was quite a bit of evictions taking

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place where the bailiff or the sheriff whichever whatever

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the case may have been went into people's homes and

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to put their furniture out on the streets and

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there they would be homeless

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in great anxiety,

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in despair,

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and as good fortune would have it,

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they developed an organization called

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the Unemployed Council.

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And this Unemployed Council,

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dramatically speaking,

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were made up of people who were a bunch of Robin Hoods.

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And what they would do in an organized fashion is wait until

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the bailiff completed his job of putting out the furniture in the street.

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And the members of this organization

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then would take the furniture and put it right back in

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where it came from.

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And if there was a little padlock in the way or a good lock in the way,

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well, that was removed,

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you see.

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And then the people were placed back in naturally to the despair

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of the landlord.

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And sometimes this Robin Hood group was

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so militant and so forthright

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and brazen about it that they'd even put up a label,

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stick it up on the door or on the wall someplace,

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and say that this furniture was moved back by local,

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let's say,

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23 of the unemployed council.

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And now...

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And at the same time,

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the unemployed council,

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the members of them,

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did not only limit themselves to putting furniture back,

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but where people had their gas shut off and

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their electricity shut off because their bills weren't paid,

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they would come to the aid and assistance of the

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victim family.

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They would find

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among their members experts in the various fields of plumbing and

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electricity.

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And they apparently,

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now all of this I've learned from the prosecution.

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I myself didn't gather it myself,

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but I learned it in the evidence that came out in various trials.

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They would go to work and manipulate

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the meter of the gas and apply what

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they would call a jumper.

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And they would also manipulate the electrical wires

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in such a way that the electricity would

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still go on,

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you see.

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And this way,

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at least the family got some temporary relief.

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Now on some occasions,

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either by the action of the landlord or the action of the gas company

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through their attorneys,

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or the electrical company as the case may be,

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prosecutions were instituted.

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And they used to get arrested at relief stations.

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And they would

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get arrested on the streets.

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All kinds of,

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if you don't mind the expression,

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phony laws were used to prosecute people for distributing

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leaflets,

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bringing to the attention their grievances to

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public officials or,

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let's say, to the people of the community who support they were seeking for their grievances.

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I want to point out to you one case that I

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had handled that I thought was most

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dramatic.

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This was a case where

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the bailiff and his deputies came to move out

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a Negro family.

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I believe it was in about the 40 -hundred block on Wabash Avenue.

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And it seems that the landlord

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had...

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gotten to the point where he got what is known as a writ of restitution,

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which in lay language means a

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command of the court that the premises should be restored to the landlord.

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And of course,

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if that wasn't honored...

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In a certain space of time,

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then there would be a writ of execution to

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put these people out.

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It seems that on a certain day,

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a bailiff with his deputies rapped on the

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door and the family was a little bit on the alert because they were

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expecting to have some legal action taken against

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them, not having obeyed the court's order to get out in a certain number

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of days.

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And it seems that the head bailiff,

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when the

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people began to lock the door on him after they had opened it,

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shoved his foot in the door and yanked

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out his pistol to command attention and to also compel

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the people to open up the door so that he could carry through his process.

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A struggle developed between the bailiff and the lady of the house,

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and in the course of the struggle,

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because the lady was successful partially to

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manipulate the chain of her door catch,

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the plank that constitutes the outer edge of the door

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came off in the struggle.

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So the woman picks up the plank

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and,

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in the language of the street,

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socked him across the nose and across the wrist and forced him to drop his gun.

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And in the course of events,

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with the leader of the deputy staff being

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thus disabled,

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they abandoned their attempts to remove the people.

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But the bailiff carried this matter over to the state's attorney,

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and naturally,

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the warrants were issued for the rest of this lady and a male

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companion, or might have been her husband.

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I don't recall that.

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Well,

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to make a long story short,

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the...

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trial took place,

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and my client,

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the lady, and her male companion sat with

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me at council table,

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and it was my practice in those days,

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trusting very few of the judges for justice,

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to always demand a jury trial.

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And I always felt that the greatest justice

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would be received before a jury.

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It was a long process,

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as against bench trials,

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where you stand up and give you a little ditty,

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and it's over in a matter of minutes.

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So both of my clients were

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deeply depressed over what they expected to be the logical

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outcome because it's common

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knowledge that when a police officer or somebody in such capacity

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is a victim of physical harm,

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then of course a job has to be done on them.

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Now to make a long story short,

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we tried the case.

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And my tactics was to exclude all the witnesses

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of the other side from sitting in on the trial.

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And there being a sufficient amount of testimony

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there to create confusion

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and the lying that went on,

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see, as to what took place.

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Apparently,

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the prosecution's witnesses were thoroughly discredited,

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and the jury came out and found my clients not guilty.

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A footnote to the event just described and the nature of happy coincidence in

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the capturing of voices of the Great Depression.

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There's drama involved suddenly,

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unintentionally on my part.

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The lady described by the attorney was none other than the woman whose voice

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you heard at the beginning of this program,

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Mrs. Willie Jeffries.

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Well,

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this is one of the products,

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cases such as these that ran into the hundreds.

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And this staff of lawyers...

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just handled hundreds of such cases.

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Now,

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of course, we had cases that arose out

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of other violations.

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I recall that I defended a widow once who

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had about a nine -year -old son.

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The unemployed counsel went

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to work and came

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into her home after her gas

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was shut off.

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and of course restored it.

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The gas company,

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through their lawyers,

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got the state's attorney to issue a warrant

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against this woman and charged her with a

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statutory offense of making a connection.

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with intent to defraud.

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Now,

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this matter came up before Judge Dunn,

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who was then a newly elevated

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judge in municipal courts.

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And the strangest thing about this case is that

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my teacher at law school was

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the attorney who represented the gas company.

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Now,

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we were selecting the jury

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when suddenly...

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when suddenly Dick Austin,

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who is now on the federal bench,

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and who was at that time the assistant prosecutor

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at 11th and State,

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rose and made an objection to a question

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that I asked the jury.

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I

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pointed out to the jury that it would

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be necessary for the state in order to prevail

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on their charge.

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that they would have to make proof that my client was the one who made the connection.

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The connection actually having been

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made by the unemployed counsel while she went out to the grocery store.

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So presumably she knew nothing about it.

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So as a result,

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a legal argument ensued.

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The judge called us back in chambers,

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Judge Dunn did,

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and listened to our respective arguments.

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And when the arguments were over,

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He announced that he will overrule

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the objection to question

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the jury on this point.

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He says,

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that is the law.

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In other words,

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the stand that I took,

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that they would have to make that kind of proof.

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And,

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well,

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as a result of that,

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they,

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in my absence,

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called a woman up to the bar while I was in another court and

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persuaded her.

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to take a little bit of a fine that she wouldn't have to pay.

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And this was obviously to protect

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the gas company from a possible lawsuit for false imprisonment

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and false arrest.

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And so she took it because she

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was very,

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very worried about the outcome of the trial.

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She was a highly religious woman.

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Except for what was done,

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she probably was

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one with tremendously high morals.

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But she was apparently glad

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to be the recipient of the work of the unemployed counsel and

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was, of course,

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ill at ease when she had to face a prosecution.

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So...

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This is another example where a

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gas company is involved.

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A third

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type of arrest that used to take place was where

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relief clients would sit at the relief stations

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and have to sit and wait all day in distress.

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So the stress could be babies that were left at home.

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It could be meeting other obligations that they have

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to be present.

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Or it could simply be the long delay in the red tape that was

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involved in getting somebody processed.

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I had a woman who came down to the relief station to ask

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for an increase in the supply of milk for her children.

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She had a large number of children.

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And on this occasion,

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she became very impatient,

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apparently,

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and began to...

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remonstrate,

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you know, with the relief station

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attendants and personnel.

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As a result of it,

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she was arrested.

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But this time there

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seemed to be a new development in relief administration

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legal tactics.

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At this time she was brought over to the psychopathic hospital.

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Up to this time,

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it was just straight out and out prosecution,

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subjecting you to fine or imprisonment for whatever you did.

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Well,

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this is a new technique,

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and this is a technique when the late Raymond Hilliard became

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the head of the investigation department.

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He was not then the director of relief,

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as he later became.

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And on that occasion...

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The practice over at the psychiatric branch of the court is

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a little different,

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you understand.

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There the judge and jury consists of a judge

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and two psychiatrists.

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That's the way it is today.

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That's the way it is today.

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Isn't it called the psychiatric court?

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Yes,

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psychiatric court.

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Now,

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on that occasion,

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Hilliard,

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who by that time...

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was well known to me and I to him because

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we had many cases before when he

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was legal counsel for the administration.

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So on this occasion,

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having had a

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sort of a little struggle with him in a previous case,

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he apparently took a very hostile attitude

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towards me.

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