AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
and then they would subcontract some of that work to us
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
we can do that
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we can
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what we did with Zico
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what we did with Helmy
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I mean, that is something that we can definitely look into
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
thank you
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah, so that's the main way that we work
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I mean, there's also the inverse relationship
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where we are maybe the main party in this
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and that we need some kind of local support
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
but I mean, in this case
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
we don't have other work in Malaysia
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so at this time, you know
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
we are the ones who provide you the research
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to go to the people that you need to go to
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to make the case for some kind of policy that you want to make
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
will you also be able to consider
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
you mentioned that it could be subcontractions
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
but can you also consider building the proposal together?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah, yeah
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
as we take the lead to
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
to certain tenders or certain proposals
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah, so that's the same thing that we do as well
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so if there is another organisation
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they spot the opportunity
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and then we decide actually there's a mutually beneficial partnership
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like coming together is stronger than coming alone
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
then yeah, we'll do that
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so we'll work with you to write the proposal
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
what kind of research that we would do
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
and then we'll decide, okay, this is how much we require from this
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
okay, so if there are things
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and it doesn't have to just be formal tenders
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I think as long as there's some kind of commercial opportunity
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even if it's informal
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
we can support, you know, writing that proposal
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and seeing how we can pitch it in a way that is evidence-based
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so one of the things that we've got in the pipeline is
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
and we also get them to spark the aeroline
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not just the aeroline
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
not just the aeroline, but also the other stuff
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
actually, we can work with them for this
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rather than waiting for a government
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
and we do be working with them to see how
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so one of the things that we've got in the pipeline
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is to initiate a nationwide review on the idea
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of creating an overarching umbrella called on-demand services
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
on-demand, okay
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so because right now you have various forms of on-demand
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you have P-Heading, you have P-Heading
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and then you have the services sector
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as part DRT, DRT
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
and then, you know, your confinement ID is also on-demand
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
okay
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so we wanted to sort of initiate a nationwide coalition
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and do a round of people
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to sort of like gear towards, okay, look
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rather than have a fragmented policies
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
like P-Heading is under one ministry
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E-Heading is under one ministry
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services sector is under one ministry
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
like, shouldn't everybody
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E-Heading is under one ministry
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
E-Heading is under one ministry
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
should the government come up with best practices
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like, if your ministry oversees a certain industry
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that has on-demand elements in it
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
these are the guidelines or these are the policies
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to a certain extent
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right
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so that's something that we're looking at
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
okay
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I mean, it could be interesting
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I suppose we have to think about what
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how best
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to support
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah, I'm trying to think about
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what would be our best
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the best way that we can support you
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah, yeah
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we'll be more likely
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so that's very much
3:58
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
please, please eat before it
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yeah, please
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it cools down
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so you say P-Heading
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what is P-Heading?
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what is P-Heading?
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cars
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or bikes
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that transport people
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okay
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right
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yeah
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and then you have services
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah
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like, confinement lady
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babysitters
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tuition teachers
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right
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because
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the idea behind everything is
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it's on-demand
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all these services
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are on-demand businesses
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it's not like a stand-alone services
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or like
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it's not like a stand-alone centre
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where you go
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so
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
see when
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when the P-Heading policy
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is given to the picture
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and in 20
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we design it
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in
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2014
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2015
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it's
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it's
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about
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addressing
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
That moment of the emergence of the new technology is happening, but post e-healing policy, we have seen so many innovations happening overnight.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Innovation, by principle, can happen at any time.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And it is very important for the government's policy to address those innovations.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So what we propose in the government, which at the moment you'll be talking nicely to the government,
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
you don't want to disrupt that relationship.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We were talking to the government, look, we want to help, we want to help you to design a more robust, agile policy
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
that can accommodate any future innovations if it's happened.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Especially when the AI is coming to the picture and addressing a lot of transport policy caps.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So we need to be very ready about it.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But of course the government is very slow in, not entertaining as I would say, responding to our recommendations.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I see.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We have submitted the paper, we even offer them the entire framework.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We don't want the credit, you think the credit, it doesn't matter.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So we just want to facilitate it in short.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But I think it has been put at the back burner because of more important and crucial issues that everybody needs to face.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So what we think that we want to do now is to push it from the think tank perspective again.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
This time around, not to include the government as the co-partner of the policy, but more on positioning them as the recipients of the policies.
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So we drive the agenda from the think tank perspective, addressing both industries and governments as the end user and eventually address the entire market needs to have more agile than the bus policy.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And to do that, we definitely need to support us in that positioning, in the research, in the policy discussion.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And then we'll see how the government said that, look, yes, you have initiated a movement.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Normally what we do, we initiated a down table.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And then we publish it.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Finally we publish it on our LinkedIn profile and also to the media.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So normally to the media, it's purely on the high level.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And the ATO funding is purely on the right side.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And then we'll see what will the government, how's the government react.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
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And then we'll see whether we're going to be punished or we're going to be rewarded.
7:49
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Because from our act, it doesn't matter because we're just a think tank, right?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Our job is not to be with the industry and the government, right?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So we just need to be in the middle of the game doing these stakeholders together.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But of course with the BIT's reps, your assistant's in the entire exercise will definitely build credibility with us.
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So if I may, in order for us to go to the next step, I would suggest for us to...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Have we signed in the...
8:23
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We haven't signed in the first.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Not yet.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Why do we sign an NDA between you and us?
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And then we work towards building like a...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Is it commercial partnership or...?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I think it's more of a strategic partnership...
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Strategic partnership and...
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...memorations to...
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Exploring...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So MOU or the strategic partnership to explore potential business together.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And perhaps we can announce it to the media here in Malaysia to see that,
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Look, now we have another partner that's working with us.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The first one, it will definitely increase our credibility.
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The second one, it will allow us to have increased chances to get projects to come in.
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And we can do it with you guys.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So I think that will be the most sensible two steps that we need to do.
9:18
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
You mentioned that you had some forums and roundtables already.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We had our roundtable last...
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March.
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March.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We are planning to do another one this month.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Hopefully this month or next month.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Next month.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
9:33
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And then we will drive it towards the forum.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And what is this...
9:36
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
What have the roundtables covered so far?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Last one was about the...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Fair Enix.
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Fair Enix.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Fair Enix.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Oh, for the Greenwood.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
9:47
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The upcoming one perhaps is about...
9:49
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The terminal, city terminal, and also the on-demand policy.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So each one is quite different from...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
9:58
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But within the...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
overview of what we do yeah yeah yeah it's just that yeah okay and the attendees are similar from
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
but i think in terms of the type of attendees are similar so we will have government agencies
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we'll have civil society related members we'll have the past few days
10:21
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
then we'll have the cadavicians okay so most of the talks that we do does not
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
it's not open to public to a certain extent primarily because the nature of the things
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yeah we discuss yeah also so the government will attend the round table we do enjoy some
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form of relationship for them to attend the only differentiating factor is when are they
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going to actively participate or they're just gonna sit there listen and take notes yeah yeah okay
10:54
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so that's that's your challenge but at least they have that they have one foot in the door
10:59
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
they are there yeah at least they're there they want to listen they want to sort of like learn new things
11:03
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
yeah and one of the things that we learned from the participant when we did our fair earnings
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quite a number of them like actually we never thought of this problem from this angle
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so i'm like in the back of my hand i'm like yes that's why you should listen to people like us
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and you should attend yeah all these kind of things because it gives you what they will give you
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a different picture of every king yeah because i think we are trying to position ourselves to be more
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friendlier to the government because for the first year we've been seen as two
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two stars yeah we were two now this year we are more like we are stick to yb hannah or very good
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program but i think we can do better like last time is a balance last time is more like what the hell
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are you doing this is more praise first and then propose new better uh policy but i think we are we
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are getting there that's why we we got the support from the government agencies um but again like i
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said if bit come into picture i believe that will be more the credibility of the data will be more
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strong because you guys are coming from the research site right yeah and then that research that
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science before we can do this yeah and i think it has to be local as well i mean i'm not sure
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what in the countries that malaysia typically refers to in its policies but yeah sometimes when
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we share you know research that's done around the world people say yes yes i believe you know i agree
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that all of these things work but will it work in malaysia so yeah i think the important thing is
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that there needs to be research in malaysia with malaysia so that they can say you know this is what
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how the malaysia responded is not or this is what it's like in us and it won't work here i think i
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think the the the missing part is when you didn't understand not not you yeah them didn't understand the
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importance of having a benchmark uh and normally when we do a benchmark studies it will you will go
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through the entire research in that particular spectrum around around the globe and then you
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start to you know comparing apple to apple right so i i don't think they appreciate that part of
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process uh but of course i agree with you that we do make it local yeah we can also do it with
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the cilt because we also uh corporate affiliate partners to charter digital emergency and transport
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okay so they also most of them are coming from universities they have their own research house
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like my trans my trans they also have like latra latra utm latra utm my trans uitm
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uh and other other research group from universities because in in this country there not much research
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house i think i don't think there are many research houses focusing focusing on transport and you might
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have transport consultant but research house i don't think we have so most of the time research house
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will be from the university research groups right yeah so we can we can have another partnership with
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another research group yep i can i think we can we can go with latra because latra we had an early
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discussion last time but we never made a latra or what is a uitm you can do that
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mou and then we can i think for now perhaps we should start with with just a
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mou and strategize by the shin
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We were sort of exploring and as we move forward, we look into all the other partnerships and I think one of the lowest hanging fruit that we could work together on is primarily the DSP one and then the second one is the BKL is some of the local council is due for their prior planning review.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Right, I think end of the year.
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Okay, yeah I think that would be interesting so I mean even in the 12th and 13th Malaysia plans they mentioned behavioural insights as a way to try and change behaviour so I think the good thing is that you already have the mandate right from the top to say that so it means that
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
behavioural yeah so you're using the same thing that just means it's hard for someone else to argue and say this is not the right approach if the national government is going through that approach.
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But the challenge is this year is going to be election.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, yeah you have it coming soon.
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Coming soon, election.
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So it's about end of this year, early next year.
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Maybe early next year.
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Maybe.
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But Johor is calling for early election.
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Johor is calling it next month.
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July.
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June.
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I don't know about July because October is Melaka.
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Melaka confirm October.
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Melaka confirm October.
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Melaka confirm October.
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So yeah, we are busy, busier.
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What is life in that sense?
16:46
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
16:47
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So how do you think the election will change?
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What do you think?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay, the thing about Malaysia is every election changes everything.
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That's why I hate election.
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There's this thing for, you know, unlike Singapore, Malaysia's government is very politically driven in that sense, in the sense of once a new minister comes in, the first order of business is always going to be let's dismantle whatever it is that the premium, the foreign government is going to be let's dismantle.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
huh?
17:25
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Ya.
17:27
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So there's a saying in, in, in, in bahasa.
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It says, uh, the, uh, uh, one, one, one, one, one, two, one, two, one, one, one, two, one, two, one, two, one, two, one, one, one, two, one, two, one, two.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, what actually means is in Malaysia, the moment you have a new minister, the whole, the whole, the whole lead changes up.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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They will try to change the policy, all the, the, all the,
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The policy, the way they work all the, all the plants all the,
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Everybody wants to put their name up.
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And they actually let their refusing from the business and stuff.
17:54
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
At the end of the day, it becomes an ego-boost thing, right?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It becomes a competition of who's corp is longer.
18:07
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So then how do you work with...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
We work with civil servants, right?
18:10
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, because who are more stable in the position.
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Not politicians, right?
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Politicians, we do engage and work with politicians.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It's not our primary contact, right?
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But civil servants also have the explanation but sometimes they don't have the drive
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because the new minister coming, he will just ask us to change everything.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So I guess it's quite hard to go in now to change things as well.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Let's just do our work.
18:40
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, but I suppose for the next year it's quite hard to go in and implement.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Or the minister may be more daring to just say it's my last year anyway.
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Or, you know, for it to be...
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I will try something new.
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I'll just do something radical.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But I guess I don't know the politicians who are well enough to know.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Who really...
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Who wants to do that?
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After election, like I again mentioned, after election, the first one or two years is very critical.
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So you need to get in there at the right time to set things early.
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So whatever you do, you need to get the politician to do it for the first or second year.
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Otherwise it's too late.
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The outcome must be felt in the third or fourth year.
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Then you can justify that this is why I did this.
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Malaysian behaving that way.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Because if you do the right thing towards the end of the election cycle...
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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Somebody else would benefit from it.
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Somebody else.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Meaning the opposition or the opponents of the particular politician will be contributing
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out of it.
19:47
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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Because some things that you need to implement first.
19:53
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You need to suffer for one or two years and then you can only see the impact.
19:58
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It's a kitchen sink on the side.
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If you're in the kitchen sink, wait on the first and second year.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
That's it.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
See, suddenly, Rahmai becoming the mayor of M.K.L.
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Minister of Federal Diretory.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So I will tell him to do the congestion charge now.
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Week 1, that's it.
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Do congestion charge now and then build the BRT line
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from Rawang to K.L. and also from Pelaman Klang to K.L.
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That's it.
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Then you start, people will be angry.
20:32
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Oh, Kajang to K.L.
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Kajang to K.L.
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I mean, you just need to do it.
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Because in this country, like I said,
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every policy that I share, it's purely political.
20:45
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But we can agree with that.
20:47
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The problem is, it cannot be all the time.
20:50
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
There must be a timeline, right?
20:53
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
First years, it's not about politics.
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Second, part of it, the third and the fourth year, go ahead.
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Do whatever you want to do.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
You want to give free money, give free money.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, it has to be some kind of balance.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
But it must have a hard decision.
21:06
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
You pretty much understand that, yes, the policy must address your political needs.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The people's needs, right?
21:18
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And you must also understand that, not all policy can make everyone happy.
21:23
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
21:24
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
There will be a lot of unhappiness.
21:30
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Perhaps if you are able to share with us, because I know he has a 12.30.
21:40
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Oh, okay.
21:41
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:41
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, perhaps, when you have the time, will you be able to send us some other case studies
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
from other, like sort of like, what kind of partnerships that have happened in the past?
21:56
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, I can send you some stuff.
21:58
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
21:58
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, yeah, I think we, so in the last year, we shared some case studies that will work,
22:01
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
but I think, yeah, this is a bit different, like case studies of, yeah, how we partner.
22:05
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, how we partner.
22:06
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And, you know, what were, you know, what were some of the things that we learned, and the best
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way of going forward.
22:13
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
22:14
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Because I'm sure, and then, of course, what were the angles going in?
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Is it purely just research, or it's also, there's also a commercial element in it, in the
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sense of, you know, building together a proposal, or perhaps, more examples of the models you
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
said, like how you secure clients.
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Because one thing for sure in Malaysia, the MNCs here, they don't naturally make unilateral
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decisions on employing for certain products.
22:49
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
22:50
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Right.
22:50
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, they usually go to HQ, which is in London, or in other parts of the world.
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And then, those ideas get skated down, and those directions get skated down.
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Or, you know, I do have people in MNCs sectors who, look, we don't control,
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we don't control the specifics of certain projects.
23:17
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Right?
23:18
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The decision comes from regional office in Singapore.
23:21
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Right.
23:21
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, to speak, right?
23:22
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, perhaps, you could also enlighten us.
23:25
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
23:25
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
You know, what were some of those models that we learned before?
23:28
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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I think that's that.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
For the first step.
23:33
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I'll be more than happy to sort of draft up.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Draft something.
23:38
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
23:39
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
On this, which is a partnership fund.
23:41
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It's not binding.
23:44
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It gives us some people standing to enter into, not just an organization.
23:51
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
23:51
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Of course.
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When we identify opportunities.
23:57
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
23:59
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
24:00
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, I can put this together.
24:01
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
24:01
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
For you.
24:02
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And then, also to share some of the case studies again.
24:05
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And that way, we can figure out our way forward.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
And you also can, I mean, share us the NDA, because we're happy to sign up.
24:11
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
24:12
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It just makes you much more comfortable.
24:14
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
24:14
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
For all parties.
24:16
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I mean, in the shorter term, if you feel that there are any forums or presentations that
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you think that would be helpful.
24:36
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
24:36
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Even if it's just a small thing, then I think that's okay.
24:40
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
24:41
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I think that's something we'll immediately look at.
24:44
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
24:44
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I mean, just from there, also learning about what it's like.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
The sector, what are the kinds of challenges that you're facing and then we can also figure
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
out then our place.
24:57
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
24:57
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Supporting you with this.
24:58
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Also as you build that.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Perhaps you could also include some of the other partners and industries that you've looked into in Malaysia, outside of Transport and Logistics in Malaysia.
25:13
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
You don't have to be specific about it, it can just be a top-line look, you've also looked into healthcare or other parts.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, I mean mainly I can tell you Man, our main one so far, I think just by coincidence have been financial decision making.
25:34
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Like Bank Negara, PIDM, because they have a research team so they've asked us to do a few research pieces for them over the years.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Then we can talk to PRI, PNPRI, I think PNPRI is something that we can explore.
25:55
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Because a lot of the, before we wrap up, one of the other interesting segments about Malaysia market that you'd like to know is
26:04
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
a lot of data driven decisions and researchers are being done on the socio-economic side.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So you're looking at saving habits, spending habits, education choices, healthcare choices, elder care, child care,
26:22
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
so this kind of stuff, social mobility.
26:24
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So a lot of it is being done in that sector.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So perhaps that's also another sector that we could immediately look into,
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
because I know quite a fair number of research houses that belongs to government institutions.
26:36
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Right, okay.
26:38
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Like your Kazana research, your PNP, your PNP research, EPF research.
26:44
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay, yeah.
26:45
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
They all have their own research unit.
26:47
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, okay.
26:48
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So let me move into that.
26:49
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay, yeah.
26:50
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
I'm also speaking to EPF on Thursday.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So I think we have spoken, actually my colleagues have spoken to them a few years ago.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So, yeah, just going to speak to them.
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
27:01
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Bank Nagara also is, you know, later this week, we're going to speak to them just to see
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
kind of what they're interested in, but it's quite broad.
27:08
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah.
27:08
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
So if there are things, and I think they will also cross over between transport and, you
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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
know, all those decisions, whether it's health or finance.
27:18
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
All right.
27:19
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Okay.
27:19
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, I can send you those things.
27:21
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Thank you.
27:22
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Thank you very much.
27:23
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Thank you for taking the time.
27:24
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
No, thank you very much.
27:25
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
You want to feed your food?
27:26
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:30
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Where do you live in Singapore?
27:33
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
It's Yunos.
27:35
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Oh, Yunos.
27:35
S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2026-04-14-13-44-31)
Oh, Yunos.

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