Recording_152

0:15

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

Malera, since your journey is only about two months. He's actually in French. He said Jyothem.

0:28

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

What is it? I used to say that.

0:39

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

Manana, since your journey is about to three months, so I believe that you are not part of the Tizer, still you have some confusion about the Tizer, right? Confusion, right? Only two months, no? Because he doesn't know still. Because she's not still too modeling with the Tizer, if I understand.

1:03

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

So I want to take the opportunity at the Bangladesh Shipping Corruption. My opinion is that she will be inclined to Bangladesh Shipping Corruption. Yeah! Because if she will be more than one year, maybe you will be like a tiger, you know, Mr. Chris. Because you are only thinking about the tiger. You are not thinking about the Bangladesh Shipping Corruption.

1:32

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

No, I've been working with Dysers for quite some time on the other half. So that's actually how we planned it with 370. So we had a couple of things. When the MD comes in, I'll get my other swimsuits, so I'll follow you. He'll want to hear it as well. It's a good story. Yeah, many stories.

2:05

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

How are you, my friend? It's a sense of satisfaction when I see you. You infuse confidence. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you so much. And thank you for your work. And thank you for your work. Our previous colleagues. So it's a team. All employees. Can't even half. Half BSc, half person. Yeah. Thank you.

2:32

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I feel that this is an integrated team. Indeed, as one. And I had the privilege to see your office physically back to back for four times. For the fifth time, because now there is new energy in the office. Thank you, thank you. I'm sure you'll have additional value and momentum. We had a momentous mediation, didn't we? Yes. Well, it went on. Nine o'clock in the morning, we finished at 11 o'clock.

3:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Were the lawyers involved? Yes, lawyers were involved, but we took the lawyers out at the end, didn't we? The lawyers did a lot of the groundwork, and then at the end, we set the lawyers right. Okay. Off you go. Thank you, thank you. Asan was there. Asan is always involved, you know? Who else was with us then? Asan, Asan. He's not here today. No. I knew we had a really good settlement at the end. We had to basically say, I wanted radiation.

3:30

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We are leaving at 6 p.m. Finish. Don't leave your best offer until 5.30. It's too late. Start at 10 or 11. Everyone's very cautious. Don't offer too much too soon.

3:45

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

hang in there, wear them down, tie them out. This was during Ramadan. They hadn't eaten at all, so they were... And then it was terminated at midnight, you know. And then Ramadan was taking place, and all of we are fasting. And we did a soup-only biscuit, and that they made for the peace. But peace was very, you know, considerate that here, when we are getting the result, for a sign of celebration, he alleged.

4:14

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

fish and chips. The traditional fish and chips are British and almost close to India. We have enjoyed it thoroughly because when you have satisfaction, the taste of food is very high. It becomes very delicious.

4:34

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So always with an informal out-of-balance there is a formal beginning or engagement. So I could then proceed with that one. Thank you. Thank you very much. Ms. Miller Rahman Rahim, the chairman of Tigers London, Mr. Chris and then Ms. Marlina, director of Tigers London.

5:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

When I talk about Bangladesh Shipping Corporation in front of BSC, in front of Chris, it may not be very, very pertinent, you know, because we are here for a couple of years perhaps, but Chris is with us probably for more than 40 years, and so is the years. Perhaps he knows the history, the legacy of BSC, any one of other than us. So that is, he has become a living legend for us.

5:28

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And that's why we always pray for his good health and long leave so that he can always contribute and act as in his traditional memory for us.

5:43

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I am sure your induction to this organisation will add a great value and it will bring more dynamism and you will strengthen the hand of peace so that you can support us in a much greater way.

6:07

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Digest has become one-stop solution for us. So it's something like that. We pee and sleep. But our sleep should be very sound. Sometimes we make some noise during sleeping also. That creates problem, but we sollicite your business. Though the corporation has got 54 years of history, but the progress, the development you are observing now, it was not from long, basically.

6:35

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Last couple of years we are making a very steady progress. There are some signs also that we purchased two new bulk area with our 100% own money. That has become an unprecedented example in front of the nation. Because it's not for this corporation only. No organisation in Bangladesh has gone for such a big size or mammoth acquisition with their 100% own capital. So BSC has truly...

7:04

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

exhibited or signified or manifested their own capabilities of understanding, but we should not have that complacency also. We should have a strong urge to grow further and reach to a point of consolation so that we can exhibit in a better way and we should not be regressive. So as of now, we are still in a progressive state, so always we sollicite regressing and last time we were doing the phase out.

7:30

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

A lot of hiccups are there, but Chris has given us a very nice sugar pudding, I must say. He has given us a lot of ideas on how we can gain maximum benefit out of it. And truly, believe me, the amount of support we have got from Thijers is absolutely unforgettable. The entire BSC should be extremely grateful to Thijers.

7:55

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And it was a true bonanza for us. We could get tremendous benefit out of it through some tactics. We have followed some tactics and we have developed our own idea and the end result was extraordinary. So that is how we are going. Just a few points from our side.

8:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So, one second, welcome Marina, and as you know that, we know that you are looking for me, primarily phala and machinery, and I'm sure from that aspect, you will get support from you. Recently, we are facing a problem, you will have a ship, Bangalore, it was in Ivory Coast, Kuddinwal, we said.

8:34

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

The propeller drape is little faded. So now we are evaluating certain is taking place by technical drape and others. They can deal in a better way. I don't know whether we have to go for docking or we go docking by making the shift in right forward we can repair that one. But bottom line is that we have to rectify it. So for that aspect, we need your support but you will get more details from asana and other consulants.

9:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

One case, one old case. I'm a little bit in my apprehensive. The problem is that we had some problem with this Mr. Agabdin case, the ex-electrical officer problem with ICE. The problem is that BSC was not also keen to address his issue and himself was not very concerned. And at moment of time there was a conflict between the BSC or the representative of BSC and this boy.

9:28

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So it did not get the true headway and the way it was supposed to be addressed. But problem is that now after new government has come, the boy is visiting many offices of the government, my minister personally called me.

9:40

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Now it has become some sort of, you know, the term is called strategic corporal. When an individual plays a role at strategic level and creating some damage, that man has become, men or women become strategic corporal. That's the term of inability. You know, during Iraq war, Linda was the one lady.

10:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

They did a lot of problems with the troops of Iraqi troops, the captive troops, and that basically ruined the image of the USA. And if you know the Vietnamese story, the My Life village, what the USA did, they killed everybody in a village. That one incident, when the picture was published, it was so negative, and that was trying to pull back from Vietnam.

10:26

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So it has become something like a steady performance. Now he is going to our U.S. Parliament, going to various ministries. Now I know that he is planning to pay visit to the Honorable Prime Minister. And my minister personally called me, I told sir, there is a problem with it. A lot of time he has been elapsed to people to get the thing and the amount of game he is asking is still quite difficult to address.

10:46

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Only he told that you are MD. I know your capability. But I don't say that you do everything. But one thing you do, close this issue. Because this man put him on uniform, put him on...

11:04

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

The problem is that we have a lot of accidents, but this one incident can defame us like anything. The people may portray like this, because a lot of people may support it, that we are not keen to support our people when they are in disaster. So sometimes, always do not go by the books. Like last time, The Way of Supporting Yodhishwara.

11:27

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Sugar cutting on this issue, I know your capability, you are a prolific person. So, I am sure at least exit us from this problem. Asan will tell you in details. Asan, please support him because they will be needing lot of documents. Yeah, you need to also, because as a GMSP, you need to support him. You have to have that positive outcome. In the end of the day, he is our brother. The amount of claim he is making, he may not get that one, but he should get something like that. So that he remains cool and I can tell to the government, yes.

11:54

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We have taken some amount of effort and we have concluded the issue. So, through Chris, through Kaisers, please close this issue. That's my biggest guidance.

12:05

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Okay. We shall get, sir, his valuable remarks. Because this is some question is very... I tell you, I tell you. If you want to get some benefit out of this, give the ball to him to play. He will tell you what to do. But he already signed one message, no? For official thing, I tell you, I know his art of doing this. Now I know that 42 court, how I am court. Officially, he will tell you many things. But I can't understand.

12:33

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We need to... But if you allow me for one minute, then I can... I'll give you a floor on this. We have a discussion. I'm just allowing you to talk about this prelude, then I'll leave. You will have many clients, many, many students to discuss on this issue. Now, as you know, there's our Bangalore Joy Jatta. Usually, Middle East is, you know, that is the hub of our business. Usually, two thieves are flying over there. But fortunately, only one ship was there. That is Bangalore Joy Jatta. Yes. And the charter is above.

13:01

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

who has been working with us. We carried cargo from India and we are just disembarking at Jebel Ali of UAE.

13:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Meanwhile, December cargo, off and on, visiting OPL, then again coming to Saudi Arabia to take the cargo on board. Because we need to signify that we have tried to go out, otherwise charterers do not believe us and there is a possibility to offer. So as of now, good thing is that we are on hand. The problem is that we need your support because regarding this insurance, in premium is more than 1%.

13:45

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

and they will show their tremendous language to pay back. So that will create a dispute. So that we do not collect, we do not want. So I draw your attention that Asana also will reiterate, this will be less than 1%. I don't think you will be. Okay, whatever. But I am sure you will address this one very judiciously. My bottom line is that since it is the charter's baby, but the thing is that

14:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I should not be involved with this because if there is a dispute, they can have a problem. Then, as you know, there is a problem with the bankari, especially of the two, that's a Bangarabha Grubhuti and Bangarabha Grudu.

14:27

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

In the school they want to initiate loss prevention survey and my proposition is that we welcome them. We welcome them. They have also some reservations about our fuel management. GMSRD is there. Though GMSRD always proudly says that my people are working very hard day and night. But you know, you should know also that there are reservations from the school. But if you have, because as we are also learning, if you have any limitation, there is a provision of conducting training.

14:56

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I personally am not aware that my technique also supports me.

15:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

which our people should undergo with that training and enhance their capability. As you know, there is no compensation in respect of institutional training. However, they have run over through their experience and on job training, but when they will have some institutional training, that will intensify their ability and I am sure in upcoming days their fuel management.

15:22

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

will be much better than what they are doing now. Already before one week, I have sent a request to arrange a training, a standard training for on-board people and they have replied that they are in process that they need the training. No, it's not quite that way. Okay, just, I'll hand over this. I want you to hear my opinion. Okay, certainly, we'll have a lot of cross-discussion. So, to really summarize, chargers is a sign of confidence for BSC.

15:53

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

working with us more than 20 years. So they have that trailing effect also. Not only that in time of crisis, on record or on record. The way they have supported us. As a head of the institution, I only can say that sometimes something like that we pay and sleep. But remember, your sleep should be also very similar. So we need to also equip ourselves.

16:15

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We have many issues that we have to accept. But the thing is that we have also big room to improve our. Since we are progressing at the same time our people have to be more professional. They have to be more skilled at the same time they have to be motivated. So we need to have skilled and motivated people. And people should not have self-complacency that they have learned many things.

16:38

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

in respect of maritime aspects, the induction of clean shipping, a lot of pieces of equipment are going to be included. We need to also equip us to keep pace with the modern technical process. And at the same time, regarding claim and contract, we have people also more professional, so that traders also should feel confident that these people also know the art that how to make a claim and how to make a reclaim. And also, you should also fight back.

17:07

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

very judiciously with your counterpart so that they should also feel that this is a very professional group of people so there would not be an easy break and that is how we should execute so with that objective we should work very closely and and and we need to be more professional and committed

17:24

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And welcome once again for being with us. That's my summarization of my introductory introduction. However, we'll have many, many, many cross discussion and at the evening we'll also have a time to interact ourselves. With that, please once again welcome Ms. Marni and welcome Chris and Manulabha and others. Thank you very much for being with us. Let's give a big round of applause to the president. With this, I take the privilege to hand over the floor to Chris, chairman. Over to you, sir.

18:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Good morning everyone, just checking what time it is. Pleasure for us to come back. Pleasure for Moynal to be here as well because I know that Moynal is a huge part of our relationship with me. Our relationship began before Moynal has taken it to another level with his union. As I said earlier, we have Moynal in half and we have ties as a BSC.

18:29

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And Moil obviously is our country manager now. He's devoted to many, many things, but always keeps a very close, eternal eye on what happens at the AC. And that will continue for as long as Moil has... This is his alma mater. Exactly. And a real pleasure for me to introduce Marlena. We were delighted to be able to recruit her. I want to cover some of these aspects, but first I'm going to invite Marlena just to introduce herself to you and give you a little idea of the skills.

18:58

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

experience that she has.

19:09

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

First of all, thank you so much for a very, very warm welcome and for allocating so much time to having us today. For me, it's very special because it's my first time in Vandabes. I came here without any kind of expectations or picture. Chris, he just told me that I'm going to meet very, very kind people, very skilled people. But what I'm seeing so far just exceeds my expectations. So thank you.

19:34

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

Shortly about me, originally I'm from Poland and I am a lawyer, that's right. But I have relocated to Norway 13 years ago and I started working for an insurer. It was one of the biggest insurers called Norwegian Harrel Club. And how we were organized was that I was part of... I started working there as an...

20:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

But we were, we had flames team, adjusting team, technical team and loss prevention team. So as an adjuster I was always seated with technical team because they understood the technicalities, I understood policy provisions and legal aspects. So we were able to find common grounds and after 12 years I think that I start to understand the vessels.

20:27

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

but after working seven years just if you're adjusting and adjusting all the risks related to hull which means not only hull and machinery but also collisions loss of hire war risks kidnap and ransoms I have realized that I love what I'm doing but I stopped developing now I want to sit closer to the ship owners and help them out when actually a casualty happens so

20:55

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I think that it was 2020 maybe when I moved to claims team and then I was handling the bigger casualties at our organisation, still supporting the trusting team, working on policy wardings, giving legal advices to the client but first and foremost I was helping the clients in the casualty and what it means is that

21:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Some of the ship owners, they have faced maybe one casualty. Some of them, they have not faced any casualty. Some of them, they have really enormous records of casualties. And what I have learned is that I always want to be prepared for the worst. So really understand the blackest of the black scenarios, but hope for the best.

21:43

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

working with with yourselves when they will be asking a lot of questions it's not because you know i think that these things are going to happen but i just want to preserve our rights in the best possible way and that's also what happened with our case with the propeller right right you have seen a lot of questions from my side including general art aspect when the cargo was loaded where the vessel was going so all these questions they have a certain purpose

22:11

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And while working at Norwegian War Club, I had the pleasure of sharing some of the accounts with Thaisers, where we had some interesting cases, I would say. We had the other, remember I had two war claims, some really very close fire, wasn't it? That was a Norwegian Hull Club. Both the biggest shit.

22:39

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I've been dealing with many different types of vessels over many, many years. I don't know all the answers, but I have a fantastic network. So I would also love to understand how actually your company is working to understand the trades, to understand the fleet, really, to understand how your organizations...

23:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

is how you're organized. I mean how for example the technical team is working with the insurance team and how these things fall together. Anyway, working for over 11 years at Norwegian Harrop, I wanted to sit even closer to the ship owners because I felt that's where I can really bring the volume.

23:24

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

and working for ensure you will not always be in direct contact with the owners and I said I want to have it I want the change and that's why looking through and working through many brokers along London because I was responsible for our London office on claims side I completely

23:43

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I fell in love with Tysers. So going back to your thing that for me it's two months but in reality it has been a couple of years already working with the team so when I was thinking about broker in London I thought Tysers would be a good choice and that's the reality. I just relocated with my family from Norway to London and that's how we are building our new lives.

24:14

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

She had an amazing first couple of months. Two CTLs in the first couple of months. A couple of major casualties, and it's been fantastic for me to have someone really capable to rely on as well. It's quite hard to do all this stuff pretty much single-handed, so we're now working very well. Have you been in London before for staying for a long time? Because we also at Norwegian Health Company had our London office, and I was responsible for...

24:44

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

majority of the clients underwritten by London some of the clients around the globe the first deal they just wanted to work with me so I used to alternate for the last five years

25:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I got to know London market. I felt completely in love with London. And I just feel that London is also the place of amazing knowledge database. And what I perhaps haven't mentioned is that my primary background was teaching. And I just wanted to link these two words like marine insurance or casualties and teaching.

25:24

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

For the last couple of years, I've been teaching at various international organizations. Different aspects really of marine insurance, whether it's the policies, whether it's, for example, casualties, like general average works or workshops, or what salvage is really all about. I mean, what to do when collision happens, what advice to give to the master that is on board. So this is something that I want to do.

26:35

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Because we bought two ships, and our lawyer, HLW, Holman, Frederick, and Lira. And the claim we took, we did not know even, when I went for a second time, the claim meeting took place, that is in the office of HLW.

26:50

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Then I told Chris, oh, this is the same office I visited before. Who did you work from HFW? HFW. Do you remember the name of the... Yeah, yeah. Kazmi. Mr. Zane Kazmi. Mr. Zane Kazmi and then... The man in Sweden. Goodman. Goodman. Goodman. Goodman. And Mr. Zane Kazmi. These two were directly involved with us.

27:19

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

and we did a number of video conference also yeah the mediation they were on the other side and for that mediation uh the name of the lawyer was our lawyer is so uh if asked me we are

27:50

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

to acclimatize or orientate ourselves with that environment. So we always feel that whenever opportunity comes, we pay a visit and strengthen our relationship. And since you are there, I am sure we will act as a strong bridge to develop our intensified relations between digers and another ship. We are very small in respect of our total capacity, total wealth, the amount of profit we made.

28:20

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

From that perspective, we may be very small, but the good thing is that we have got huge potentials to grow. That's the beauty we have. So we want to inculcate and explore to the fullest so that we act as an ambassador of the country and establish good bridge between Bangladesh and other friendly and allied countries. What for me is very exciting is that I've been visiting BSC forever. I've had so many conversations with many of your predecessors.

28:50

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

We're buying new vessels. We're buying new vessels. And of course, your reinsurance panel in London is seeing the fleet getting older and older and slower and slower. And I was told for 20 years that they're going to try off to the shore. These are going. These are going. And of course, they're still there. And we have two total loss claims for that. But thanks to the Commodore, in a more recent time, we have seen new vessels coming and new vessels in the pipeline. So the story is truly credible.

29:17

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

on top of that the amazing achievement to self-finance these assets which is extraordinary happened anywhere else it hasn't happened anywhere else it really is an amazing story now we've asked that story we want to be part of that story going forward so do you like to talk about fuel management in a while but when would you like to say a few words to uh yes of course thank you thank you so much for giving me time just i would like to thank

29:48

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

a managing director of another shipping corporation because I follow him very closely. I also follow him as the VSC since my living.

30:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Yes, the head officer.

30:01

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So recently I was really amazed by his clarification, so clear, crystal clear and opaque and also so conclusive to an interviewer, I think he's a pressman, I think. And also I would like to thank him for his serious support with all team members.

30:30

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Because I never ever thought about the Bangladesh Shipping Corporation once will make such a huge profit. It's an integrated team. I live with my team. Unfortunately, about five years back, I had some shares from Bangladesh Shipping Corporation. Because of taxation issue, I did some investment.

30:59

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Yeah, I sold it before under the Shipping Corporation share price. But I think what I would like to congratulate them, because when I joined, and also my colleague joined, we were so depressed after joining VSC, because all of us were experts of VCS, because that time it was the key issue for students coming out from the university.

31:26

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So all of us have been trying to pursue BCS to join government service actually.

31:36

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So, at that time, all our colleagues in the Bangalore City Corporation, we had a serious gap between our recruitment and their last recruitment. So, they were very negative actually. We joined Hatha-Ur and others joined. Every day they used to demotivate us. Why are you wasting your time? There is no future. How do you use that?

32:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So once upon a time, World Bank project, we applied for that we want to go out, we want handshake, golden handshake. Twice golden handshake given, first time we all applied, after I think I remember.

32:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

All of us, 15 of us got a letter from management that you are not the people who we are considering to get recognition. You are our future. How can you allow me? This is a nice letter I still have in my home. So that did not allow us. We have been retained. And second time we did not. But many of us were frustrated because every year.

32:39

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Bangladesh Shipping Corporation used to make huge loss, huge loss. And so much of loss and no inclusion, new inclusion, nothing. No managing director or board director had ever any courage to go to the government or take an initiative to buy new ships. So it was so disappointing. So I had, that's why after I leave, I became first time, became amazed when I got, I have been asked to,

33:08

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

accept my, I think, bonus, profit bonus. Because I worked about the full year and I left then, in the 31st of July, actually. That's why I reserved, actually. And I never ever thought that after leaving VSC, somebody will call me and say that you have something to get from VSC. So I was amazed because they did and managing their way so enlightened person.

33:38

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So I came and one day I said okay I will come. So one day I was amazed that I have been given full bonus actually. That time my seller item was 7000 Taka nearly like this and I got a full check of one month and bonus. So then I started very closely that yes BSC is now doing something great actually. Now I think depression time gone. So just a pause. Can you compare it?

34:04

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Give a comparison, a picture, clear picture, that time BSC and this time BSC. That time BSC never, never we had, we never, different, different, because we never, ever had, being an officer in BSC, I can tell you, that time we never, ever had got any kind of decision, actually. No decision, actually. No one would have made any kind of decision. This is quality. I don't know, there's a bureaucratic, I think that time was. Now is.

34:34

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Decision. Anything. Concluding decision. So this is what making me great. You are going to compromise only the decision. What about the resource? Everything is great now. Everything. Every vibrant people now. Transformation. Entire scenario has changed. Profit analyst do not come so easily.

35:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

The man behind the mechanism, policy, then system, all these procedures in place. That made the BSC great. So really proud of it. I would like to thank the BSC for this. And I am proud to be one of the member of BSC family. And still I always try to come any kind of assistance to BSC, whatever is possible in any form.

35:29

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So thank you. Thank you, sir. And congratulations. You made GSC a great organization. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Please, thanks for my help. So, Kamala, with your blessing, can we just touch on a few other things? Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's just a time to discuss a little bit in details. Okay. If we start with the fuel management, which I think is a really important subject. I had a long conversation last week, two or three conversations with school.

35:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Initially, we asked them whether they would hold a seminar or some training. What they've said is not yet. They want to do the surveys first. They want to survey all the people and they've chased them up again this week. That will happen quite quickly. I do also appreciate it. Yeah, what's going on? This is very important. We have to establish a good bridge between the TD.

36:19

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

GM SRT and then increase in this trading survey. Because before trading, they want to do the survey first and then trading. So show your performance. Yes, trading is essentially required, no doubt. But at the same time, during survey, your performance should have a certain level of standard. What they want to take out of the surveys is lessons learned. They're very, very concerned about your knowledge. Pax is on board for the surveyor work.

36:50

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

of the worst they've seen. They said it's astonishing they didn't have any oil and the heat on the surfaces. Very, very lucky we didn't have any major casualties. So with that in mind, what they said is they want to do the surveys, they want to disseminate the information gained in the surveys, and they also want to see that BSC has taken lessons from what had happened there and from the survey experiences.

37:16

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

and that BSE has a plan as to how to deal with a certain environment. Yes, we can look at training down the line, but it isn't going to be a survey and then a workshop. There's got to be a willingness on your side to invest in proper processes of fuel management, proper processes within the engine room area. Now, whether or not that will come under technical, and whether or not you can do that yourself, or whether you want to engage with one of the...

37:45

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We need to go to schools before some of the training with a better plan of action instead of procedures here. Because they won't just come in and do that because they're expecting you to have the desire and the knowledge within BSC to run the engine room properly and the fuel management system. We have to take the lessons from the surveys.

38:11

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

we have to make sure most of all we don't see that witness on other vessels and that we have actually learned our lessons.

38:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Then they want to come down here, it'll be Rama, it'll possibly be there, head technical guy as well, possibly the underrider as well. Sorry, sorry to interrupt. We have requested to undergo the training, but they have told that training will get later, but initially due to the survey, then training. So please make a strong try with...

38:42

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

along with Asan and also technical director and upkeep your standard prior to service so that during service they should have a fair idea that what is the level of their respect of fuel management and other aspects of maintaining machinery here you can be also involved because you are talking to me the technical advisor to technical review.

39:04

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

As a whole, you know, you need to exhibit. In this many times, if you cannot prove your oath, you don't deserve to operate your ships. That's the bottom line. Listen, this seems to be a little bit harsh, but we have to mean that this is a part of our life.

39:26

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

that they were astonished we hadn't had any injury in a while. They were very, very concerned. So they basically said to us, we've got to get it sorted if we're going to renew the fleet next year. It's as serious as that for them. They won't renew with current conditions and current behavior. So we have to take the surveys. We have to learn what's happened. We have to either engage within technical here, possibly with some of the technical companies within Bangladesh. Possibly we will look in Singapore to try and put you in touch with companies. I think there's a DMC that kind of thing.

39:58

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

because we need to go to school.

40:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

and say, right, these are the surveys, this is what we've done since then, this is our new set of procedures, and then we'll get them in for some training and some workshops and to understand. And if they just come straight in having had the surveys, which probably won't be great to read, I hope they're going to be better than the onboard surveys in January, of course, because we were all excited about that procedure. The heating surfaces were so hot, there was water, there was oil spewing everywhere, so you know how dangerous it can be.

40:29

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So we've got to take this very, very seriously. The engagement's really got to come from within BSC, with our support, encouragement, we can put them in touch. And I think that what they will also try to see are the manuals that you have on board and the regulation here at the office, if there is any kind of regulation. Also, how the crew has been trained until now.

40:55

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

how does it all fall within insurances because of course cruel negligence is always covered but cruel negligence is covered if a groom makes a mistake once twice but if we see that there is a mistake like that this is

41:13

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

that this happens over a prolonged period of time. Series of mistakes. Series of mistakes. Then we don't call it cruel negligence any longer. That is basically the inefficiency of the competition. Yes. And then it's called inadequate maintenance. And then if you look into inadequate maintenance, there will be exclusions under your policy, but also under your PNI policy. And then we are facing non-advised casualties.

41:43

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And then, this is one part of the story. The other part of the story that we are looking for, I mean, if it will ever end up in general average situation or salvage situation where the vessel will be in laden condition, there is a requirement for vessel being sea worthy. What is sea worthiness? This means that vessel is ready to meet the ferals of the seas. But this means that not only she is technically capable to do that, but that also the crew...

42:12

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

is properly trained to do this. So from the transfer perspective, yes, and then you have to show it. There are so many implications. So I think that we need to make sure that there is proper, that there is a proper guidelines on how... The word she likes is structure. This is her word. Structure, but this structure has to be realized. So I have seen the vessel manuals that has been like this.

42:44

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And then I would imagine it's very difficult for the crew really to read through the same. So I would say sweet and short, but straight to the point. This would be my only advice. Yeah, I think technical briefing as well. When the superintendents visit the vessels, it's important that they go on board. If your chief engineer is leaving and your new engineer is joining, you should get a proper hand at them. Sometimes it's, oh, how are you doing? I said, yeah, fine, I've got to get my glass on, I think now that the hand is waiting.

43:14

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

There should be a proper hand over there. There should be notices to it. And he's concerned with it here. And I think there was a recent test case where a cargo insurance challenged the vessel being on sea with it. And the owner said, look, they just made a mistake. And the courts looked into the capability of the crew. And they said, they're not trained properly enough. They may have the right certificates, but they don't know what they're doing. And that's obvious from what happened with the casualty.

43:43

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Then it becomes a question of actually pull back to the P&I to recover the unrecoverable general average by virtue of the breach of the contract of a freighter by the MC workers. And we'll then get into issues with schools. If we have another issue in six months' time, they will say, we highlighted this in January. We had our surveys, and yet nothing has changed. And then we will have a problem. The last thing we want is a problem with the relationship with your P&I club or your volunteers.

44:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I didn't share the P&I survey reports with your volunteers. If we had done that, they probably would have given notice. So we don't want to do that. We were protecting you by keeping quiet on that issue.

44:30

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

engineering room teams of fuel management or engineers capability and team management. But you are not ignoring the quality of fuel. Your insurance is working for owners or I don't know. No, no, no. You know I work. It is very hard. You are one of my TDs, you know. You are not. It is happening always, sometimes, often. But now, if you say that vessel is running smoothly, we are not planning for fuel.

45:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

at the same time, same field, same Bangalore. So you cannot say that the engineers are not, management is not good. Maybe there is some ready, not that. I have tried personally to operate in Bangalore. One day we have 24 hours, we have to proceed from Captain to Captain. I tried, I tried, but the vessel could not proceed.

45:27

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Yes. So you are ignoring the quality of the PR and bunkering. I'm not ignoring it. You should emphasize on this issue also. I'm not ignoring it because to be fair, you sent a reminder to the school yesterday saying, how are we going to progress these days? We know we want to pursue them against the Charterers. What I'm just flagging up is there's two parts of this. One is the recourse against the Charterer. And of course, good support by the Master Chief Chair. But you can't ignore the reports from the attending surveyors.

45:56

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And the guy went on board... That means he is trying to avoid and take the responsibility. When we have done the extended test... The supply surveyor has no reason to want to find a problem. He wants to find it perfect on board and the entire problem being with the fuel.

46:11

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

When we have done the extended test of this fuel, FPI test and GCMS test, we have found that... Both vessel, not even one vessel. You can say one vessel, I agree with you, but both vessel face is same problem. Exactly. We have found that this vessel... Would you please share the fuel report? Only your report is devastating report. Yes. It is out of that spec and they have clearly...

46:40

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

The purpose has told that these oil is violating marine fuel standard ISO 8217 because there was channel in the fuel and also other parameters in the fuel these are totally 100% that not making the standard of ISO 8217. So the problem is fuel itself it is not complying with the ISO 8217 but we have sent the PNI for our help to

47:29

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I think no one is doubting the fuels and absolutely we can see the charge. What they are just observing is they haven't been on board.

47:40

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

and having seen the practices in place, they have to flag them up to the underwriting team because there was a fire waiting to happen there. You may not like to hear that, and I'm telling this to you as a friend. Of course, what we say to you here, she was an underwriter. She would have been in meetings where brokers want to have their own conversations. You're our class. We work for you. You know that. We fully support you, and we have done, and we always love it.

48:04

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We have to highlight to you if we hear from the insurers that their attending surveyors are raising big red flags about what's happening on board. That's what's happened. That's one issue. That's one issue that you want to improve because we have the message saying help us with the training, etc. A separate issue is what recourse we have as well. And that's being addressed through the school.

48:30

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

on the sense of the there was a fire and the line why it has came there is some issue because this you know for our fuel management we very strict on the hazardous issue if fuel is a hazardous this is a non-compliant fuel you believe or not this is a non-compliant fuel once non-compliant fuel on board

48:52

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

There will be issue with the hazards. Safety. What are the safety? Because this fuel, chief engineer was enabled to fire to attain this engine. Because it is continuous opening the fuel pump. It is a fire hazard. Continuous opening the ceiling. It is not ceiling. Continuous draining the settling tank as per office instruction, as per fuel management. Because this fuel has been slashed. Frequently, it tends to choke.

49:18

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

One server on board, he found that the fuel line was choked. It's true. This is due to fuel. Sir is telling like that. And he is checking the engine room environment. Because this continuous fuel is draining, continuous fuel is leaking. Fuel is, of course, fire hazards. You understand and know. Once he has started the engine, there is some fuel. Because all fuel from damage and there tends to leak. You know, he cannot stop the leakage by one day. By one day management or one day maintenance.

49:46

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

of course he is telling that maintenance was not good crew standard was not after standard as per his requirement of course he always emphasized on the crew failure on the maintenance failure he never focused

50:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

On the fuel quality, why this situation occur? I truly honor you, as per your point of view, because there was some mismatch. Why this mess must happen? Due to the fuel quality, because this is the whole pinpoint. This pinpoint leads to all the issues. I think you understand. No, I understand what you're saying. There was an issue with fuel, 100%. We know that. And what we can do about that is we can get the proper redress if we can. It's very complicated with fuel.

50:29

S… Speaker 5 (Recording_152)

of recovery it's not a simple process of course i just want to focus on making sure that the crew have learned and the officers learned and that we've all learned that things need to change a little bit because what they saw on board was a very dangerous situation and that was dangerous for your crew that you're thinking of this was dangerous for the vessel and dangerous for the reputation of the scene the last thing we need is a huge engine room fire and the loss of other vessels so we just need to be mindful of that

50:57

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Schools want to help. They're going to look at all the vessels. They're going to look at the processes on board. You can be part of that. You need to be part of that exercise. Both the community are still on board. You see, no problem. No question of... When they set the schedule to do their work.

51:17

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

My view is that I want to include my technical director or my research, so that they can also have company and at the same time they can pull up the standard of the crew also, you said. I don't want to, that way GD has told, it's okay, but I don't always different because end of the day, I want to leave some room to improve up. So the thing is that we should not be only blameful, there may be some observation, but the thing is that if there's a problem with any issues...

52:04

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

You see, there is phenol in both fuels and phenol cannot be removed by fuel management.

52:13

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

and this panel has damaged my all fuel pumps so we should focus on them with onboard fuel management you cannot remove panel and panel should not be in the fuel it is not complying with the iso-8217 so the problem is with the fuel the pni should help us to support this

52:33

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

Redan, the PLI, is helping the chatarang. He is helping the chatarang and I am telling you the problem with the school manager. But it is impossible to remove panel from that.

52:46

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

I'm very happy that I'm completely neutralizers right now because I was not involved in this case so I do not know the whole background but I can just tell you how was my correspondence with charters in respect of inadequate fuel bunkering and what I have observed because I have had so many vessels where the whole main engine went completely yes now this is happening now we didn't have fire however what was happening was that the vessels they bunkered the wrong fuel

53:15

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

And then very soon after they departed from the port, they started to experience problems. So there was a lot of, you know, main engine choking, everything was being blocked, etc. Now, when we were coming back with this claim back to the charters, the charters said, hey, you have been aware of the first problem. When the first fuel pump got clogged, you should have stopped the vessel. So their argument is...

53:41

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

Why didn't, this is my personal experience because I fully stand by what you are saying, that it's very difficult to defend these claims. The charters will often say that, and I'm talking very generally based on this incident, I don't think that I would rise, because I just, I want to manage the expectations, I wouldn't rise expectations very very high.

54:05

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

They would want to know when the engines started using this fuel and for how long they have continued using this fuel. This is the first thing. The second thing that once the first problems became known to the company, how did the company react? So whether the vessels continued sailing or if the vessels have been stopped.

54:29

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And what was the discussion afterwards? We already notified the chatarang, because this, who are having some problem, once we got the report from the engineers, then chatarang didn't acknowledge, then we put the LOA, you know. So they are not addressing the LOA even. They are telling your engine problem, your machinery problem, your crew problem. Like, okay, then once you fight, when you stop the engine.

54:54

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We arrange so many spears from our side, we arrange makers.

55:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

He hasn't done that. Okay, we'll do the common joint survey. The B&A club correspondents were there, and they are bringing the issue, the finalists there, this issue with the crew negligency, lab fuel management, so many gaps with the owners. Not, you know, no labs, no problem with the fuel. But how we put problem, you see, man, because if, how this situation happened, how this situation happened, people cannot bring the situation.

55:27

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

by himself or themselves. Because if there is no fuel issue, they will start the engine, the engine will operate very smoothly, the vessel will run smoothly. No issue. They cannot generate the fire by themselves. They cannot stop the... That's why school disagree with you. They're saying, yes, there was a problem with the fuel. Yes, it's very difficult for the engineers and everything that we have pumps to clean and remove and replace them. But they're also saying the practice is on board for dealing with the fuel.

55:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We're not up to stand. And we're an accident waiting to happen. And that's what we're sharing with you. You may not like that. Yes, there may be some lagging from the engineering side, but fuel is the problem, main problem. Exactly. That's not in doubt. They have operated with fuel in the high sea. They cannot come back also. And they have a problem. They have to push it to the nearest port after the captain.

56:20

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Because there is no other organist or other fuels. First, we will be surprised. We will change the fuel pump. We will change the bunker. Then I came with the new theory. Okay, let me try one day more. I started so many smartness of the shipping management, of the fuel management. Higher standard. Even we failed. Two fuel repair was running with the series. Okay, and the purification standard. Gaining standard.

56:50

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Looking standard, chaining standard, everything developed. But when we fail, then again start to rocket. I don't want us to argue. We're all on the same side here. What we need to do... Better you make an investigation. That's what the survey is doing. You will be absolutely interlocked. You will be on board. And you will be surprised also, our full majesty.

57:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Our fuel management system is so high. It's nothing like that. Our fuel management system, what we have rendered, what we have given to the vessel, is really locating one, a standard one. We manage, we believe that argument of a standard, Bangladesh Shipping Corporation stands with the argument of a standard of fuel management system. If you review by one expert or banker expert, they will understand what is our standard of fuel management. I may request you, you just review our fuel management system. That will come out in the surveys. That's what the surveys are for.

57:43

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

To discuss exactly that. And if I can say something, so as ex-insurer, I would like to say that I wouldn't even invest my time in carrying any surveys if I wouldn't like to work with the client.

57:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So for me, if I would invest my time running this investigation, it would be for the purpose of building a better environment. So if they have any concerns, if you just tell them no, their concerns will just... No, the vessel is in the deep sea. How can you say no? That time the vessel is in the middle of the Arabian Sea. No, no, she means now. The thing is that when they want to do this service, that indicates that they want to make a good relationship.

58:26

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So our understanding is that we should always welcome. Always welcome. Always welcome. So I know that this might feel... And I absolutely understand it because I've seen a lot of casualties. I've seen the bad fuel cases. And I understand it. But, you know, they have received reports that they have received.

58:47

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I think that, again, if they just really said, we absolutely disbelieve this client, they would say, we just do not want to work with you, but they are saying something completely different. And as Chris said, we need to, I'm completely new, so I'm very, like, neutral person here. I can just talk from my experience. If the club wants to carry out these investigations with you and see if there is a place for amendment.

59:12

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I would just approach it, encourage it, and just come with open minds. Because that's only the sign that they want to continue working with you, but they also want to feel safe. Because the reality is that there has been a loss, and they just want to really understand. I mean, this loss has been settled, I understand. There is just recovery aspect towards the charges, which is a completely separate matter.

59:38

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

But they just want to understand that we are all on the same page and that in the future we don't see the same cases. That's the only thing that we want to do. We still do a workshop and the team and the rituals and other things. We'll do the surveys. We'll learn the lessons. We'll engage in the surveys. If you feel you need some other help.

1:00:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

then you must come to us. School will send their technical team to help. We always believe in continuous improvement, continuous training and still there is a room for learning. They may come off, they may say it's amazing. You've tightened up procedures, you've learned your lessons from what was not so great seen by the spares in Cape Town. Thank you very much, we're very confident in what you're doing. They do, that's amazing.

1:00:29

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

it may be a little bit short of that that's what we just need to aim to see and the more you engage with them in that process and the more as Malena says that you approach it with open arms and we're here to help and want to work with you we need you know we're not afraid to improve no one's perfect at any of this you know your message point said we want to come up with an effective fuel management program that's what i was just reading your email there so we're just looking to up the service yeah you know and the last thing we want is an engine room fire because there's oil

1:00:59

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Spill over there. Spill over. Because they'll have two dead crew members or huge burns or whatever, a big machinery claim or an engineering breakdown or salvage. We don't want any of that.

1:01:10

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

You see, after debunking of this fuel, now no issue. You see, vessel has passed USCG with geodeficiency. You see how much standard is now in the engine room and in the gas. So this fuel was making the problem. Now you see the vessel is running smoothly, just pass the USCG.

1:01:33

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

This team, same team. Same team. Same process. Sometimes we learn from these closed shapes. You know, we're better because of it, aren't we?

1:02:02

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

That's the information when the school survey team arrived. That's what we share with them. These are important facts.

1:02:11

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

that they need to be as concerned as they are.

1:02:40

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I'm liaising with Robert on that.

1:02:52

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Yeah, it's closed now. It's closed. Well, last Friday, it was open for one day. We still didn't know that well. But it was a crappy one for one day. What could be the consequences if it continues? The problem is that when we offer this premium, the accumulated premium, we have two and a half, two, twenty, three thousand plus. It has to be paid in the next 14 days as per this day.

1:03:27

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Charters will always say it's too much. That was the cheapest price. Probably that was. They will always say it's cheaper. On this occasion, I have absolutely no doubt that that was the cheapest price. We had other vessels looking to move through, other nationalities, with other Lloyds and London insurers, where the pricing was at least double.

1:03:48

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We heard one rate early on at 10% of value, others at 5%. I know when they originally wanted two, you came back and said, well, there's a ceasefire, it should be less. There was a ceasefire, but it was still closed. You got turned back twice by the arrangements now. And that's a condition precedent. I don't know whether you noticed it, but there's a slight variation in the terms here. Normally, it's all the warranties about group pairedness, engaging with UKMTO and everything. It's a condition precedent that if anyone says you mustn't go through, then you have to follow those orders.

1:04:18

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And if you don't do that, then your insurance is off risk. So it's so important. And you did, thankfully, twice do that. That is a really, really competitive price. A lot of people are doing that same rate with zero NCV. So if the charter is saying that's too much money, it's rubbish. And you have absolutely your own grounds to say that is a fair price. You can invite the charter if they want to get another price.

1:04:47

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

They're not going to get a cheaper price or a better price. They might come up with some other... And they're not allowed to ensure the BSC best linear, because your regulations require you to ensure. So that is absolutely the price. What we have to do is validate...

1:05:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

that in 48 hours and 24 hours. And we'll keep doing that. At the moment, we have the price remand from the other day. If a decision is taken to make another go, then we'll validate it at the last minute and we hope she can get out. It's so uncertain with the ceasefire. Did it finish today or has it been extended? Are the Iranians on side? I heard some comment somewhere that

1:05:27

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

One of the ministers here was slightly critical of the Iranian regime. Because I was interested that Pakistan vessels got through and other vessels. You know, I always thought Bangladesh and Iran close Muslim affiliation. But then someone said to us this week or last week that one of the new ministers was slightly outspoken at the start of the war and critical of the Iranians. I don't know whether that has any impact on why the vessel's being refused, but we will never know.

1:05:58

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

But I'm sure I think the best thing for you to be doing is for you to engage with your ministry here and get them to engage with the Iranian ministry. Because the diplomatic side will smooth the permission side. It won't be totally... Because the Iranian ministries and the IRGC are very separate. That's come out in the war. That's clearly obvious that they're competing interests there. When it's safe to go, we will validate the terms and we will get to you the...

1:06:28

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

cheapest possible price but there were vessels here in the last few days right now okay more insurance so what you're really paying your premium for it's not only hal but it also includes pni aspect at least until some insurance now and i've seen it again because i was i used to insure the vessels from more perspective

1:06:51

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I had a client based in Greece and my client came to me and said, listen Marlena, NHC is expensive and we are really expensive. And she said, the charters went and they seek the price and they got like, you know, less than that. And I said, okay Paulina, but from which insurer? So we actually checked the insurer and that's the whole beauty that the insurance from which the charters got the price.

1:07:20

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

they wouldn't be able at all to pay out the claim when the claim happens. So I think that's the danger that if the charters will go to seek the price, they will give you perhaps cheaper price if they will be able to find it. But you have to be sure that whomever will pay, you know, with whomever you're going to ensure that they are going to be able to cover you in case the loss happens.

1:07:48

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I have just been partially seeing the correspondence. Beasley is a reliable partner. We know that 2.5% is stable.

1:08:02

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I'm not saying this because I'm sitting next to Chris or because I'm from Taisers. I'm saying just how does the market work. The only thing that I want you to remember is that if you sign the policy, you'll get the flowers. But if you have a casualty, you want to have a trusted party who knows what they are doing and how they can support you. So we have had so far very good experiences with Disney on Warsaw.

1:08:35

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

The other thing which has been a problem for some owners is not so much the price of the war risk premium, but the fact that they had in their charter party a clause which said the charter will only pay up to $50,000, $100,000 for the additional war risk premium.

1:08:52

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Because when the charge party was signed, these rates were attentive to what they are now. And therefore that 40,000-50,000 limit in the charge party back in February last year was perfectly fine. Now the rates, of course, have gone like that because the conflict has arisen. And some of our owners have found themselves under-receiving.

1:09:16

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

payments back from the charters because the charters turned around and said yes we'll pay the premium but we're only paying up to £50,000 and that's what it says in the contract.

1:09:24

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

So, make sure you're charging. Make sure they don't agree on your contracts. Never restrict. If you don't have it, just go for the good chance. Go for the good chance. We always deal with this thing in the last 10 years. And before we have some other companies. But now it's a problem because the percentage is high.

1:09:48

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

If it is around 1% and it's the same, I think we will be able to pursue the chakras that is acceptable.

1:10:06

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I think we're waiting for a translation of the papers. And then I think we need to say to you, what do you want to handle next? Because the easy next step is to engage with Interport and or Captain Mac and get Mac to evaluate it. But we need to give Mac a sort of direction to head. Do we want Mac to be contesting it? I don't think so.

1:10:32

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So we need to be liaised with the schools on your direction and saying to school that this claim needs to be settled. BSE are coming under pressure. Can we involve Captain Mack to negotiate a satisfactory resolution? I know with the other case with the ITF, that was the George Act, wasn't it?

1:10:57

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

negotiate with the central and weigh in excess of their contractual limits and they were worried that it would set a precedent with other group members and the public here etc. This would set another precedent and it does run the risk of another person doing the same one going forward but that is unfortunately a result of the steps that we're going to take. We just need you to think collectively what do you think is a fair number that you'd like to be like us to be trying to get schooled and manned and sign off on.

1:11:29

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

i don't know whether you're thinking a hundred thousand dollars is fair or two hundred thousand we need to know from you what you want to do with it and then we will take it away to school we were doing that we are actually working with them we'll be collecting the documents that it has gathered translation if you can't do the translation easily we can just get back that's easy it doesn't matter but if you can give us the translation i want to take school away from the late notification

1:12:01

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

away from the factories on a prior year, and I want to take them towards how we are going to sort the claim. The crew contract, does it state anything of recoverable losses? No, at that time we didn't have any fixed contracts, like we have now, because the incident happened in 2020. And we had contracts after that, in 2020, because we have a standard contract nowadays.

1:12:30

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

we are using now. But we set some clause in this contract that we will be giving him standard compensation. As a P&R process. As a P&R process. Which lots of real contracts say, but it doesn't mean anything. And maybe that's something that you need to evaluate or have a discussion. They've now got a decent contract.

1:12:54

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Because it's very often actually P&I rules will refer to crew contracts. It might help us here actually if it does talk about P&I rules because if it was a fixed mandatory amount then it's quite hard to get the club away from that saying this is the contractual entitlement and the P&I indemnifies your liability if it just talks about.

1:13:20

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

P&I rules, there is no such figure in the rules. Then we will sort of go back to the local legal position. So that might help us to get a bigger, better set out of school. The failure of the contract really.

1:13:38

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So we'll wait to hear from you on that. And I suggest we kind of get all the liquidity because the momentum is there, Commodore is getting a lot of... Yeah, so please reply to my message or Claire's message. I recommend that we engage with Mac and we give Mac a framework to try and work too.

1:13:57

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We need to know if BSEF can have 100,000, 200,000 or maybe 20,000 or 500,000. Let me have to try and get to school.

1:14:17

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

No, at that point in time there was no contract. There was no fixed contract at that time. Now there is a fixed contract. He will have signed a contract with some sort to go on board, so less than a copy of that.

1:14:55

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I want to talk about the entry thing.

1:15:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Is it against the Bangladesh Shipping Corporation? Is it Irriganin you are talking about? All of them, because you know...

1:15:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Because this issue is a very big issue. We pressured for this man from the high official. So this is all question against the Bangladesh shipping corporation. If I answer that, he cannot get any claim. Because firstly they are asking whether there was any agreement or not. Bangladesh shipping corporation entered the agreement in 2023. Allow me to intervene. Please.

1:15:37

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

If you go critically, we will be in a very awkward mood because we do not have much hard standing to support this issue. But I have very nicely explained, this has become a national issue. Yes, so if you ask me some cross-question, only I have to raise my hand. Because the time has been allowed by seniors. When did the owner became owner of the issue? For four years now. Three years ago, this issue didn't happen. No, we can answer that cleverly.

1:16:05

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

It's only possible by getting your prolific support. I think the violation of the contact of emblems. Already they told this one. And here is a surprise that they didn't. We may potentially trigger policy exclusion.

1:16:21

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

For late notification. Strong piece of advice to you. How you have to articulate. What you have to do. You have to take the view of peace. You don't do anything by yourself. I can't give any reply this way. Because all the answers are against the partnership. Take answer with you.

1:16:37

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Chris is here, take his advice and work on it. We have to work on a clever reply. But my view is that sir, I just give you all the things because that time there was no CBA. If CBA is there also, if you move as per contract agreement, he will not get anything. Don't go for any justification. Only say sorry and get the benefit. Please. If you go for justification, you cannot exist. So what he has said, you have to give him a good example.

1:17:03

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I'm judicious so that you get something. You know, Tizer, sir, is a mark of respect and simple of honor. Why? Because Mr. Jamal, Mr. Jamal's conversation. How you handle this one?

1:17:20

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

He was not supposed to get anyone as per his agreement, right? As per his CV. About $15,000 or $20,000. But they given about $1,26,000. How is possible? It's really absurd for me. Because only for the human ground. No, not quite. It should not be known. No, it's because of the idea. But this case should be agreed. Chris and Gia, you can also take Gia along with you.

1:17:49

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

in a different session you can get some time and resolve this issue uh just publicly you can have results come along today before dinner please sit together in a different session

1:18:19

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We'll answer all the questions for you. Any other point you want to discuss? Another point is the popular issue of Bangarod John. That's the next one. Do you want something on the eye injury? Yes, I'll just say something on eye injury. First and foremost, can we agree a couple of housekeeping rules that will always be super honest with each other. That's something that we need to be able to help you the best.

1:18:44

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And I have just seen this claim about AI. So I think what club would like to understand at some point, and that's what we need to keep in mind, preparing our answer, is that time bars will start to run most probably from the moment when you were aware of it. So what I would like to understand for myself only for today, before the dinner, is when the casualty occurred,

1:19:14

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

who was aware of it on board and if there was any knowledge about the same within organization because we just need to be open about this so that we can

1:19:26

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

formulate our answer properly back to the club. Is there any physical sign of that one before doing the under-order inspection? Because, you know, when for a pro player? No, no, we're talking about the case. Crooked casualty. Crooked casualty, okay, sorry. No, no, he's good to proclaim that, you know, last one year, since last one year, there is no history of the crooked casualty. Neither incident, nor anything, except this incident. We knew it was going to show.

1:19:54

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

We knew he'd had some treatment, which he'd done himself. He came back. It was reported to the office. We had this conversation.

1:20:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Last year, do you remember, where you decided not to report it too early because of the renewal? You can say this as friends between us. This doesn't go to school. So it could have been reported to school six months ago. We were aware of that. We didn't have his application at that time. Exactly. Which one was just pushing? It was just making noise. No, no, no. He reported everything on board ship. There was two committee under the shipping corporation on 2023.

1:20:26

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And Ministry of Shipping, there was a committee. Disease Shipping, there was a committee. All men were involved. But unfortunately, it was non-notified to me. Everybody knows this thing. Everybody knows that thing, sir. We have inside the committee also, headed by our Joint Secretary. You know, 2024 there was a committee. But we don't have to share all that.

1:20:50

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Our predecessor did the mistake. Now you have to get it under the framework of humanitarian ground and you need direct support of Greece otherwise it's difficult. I am there because you know government is keenly observing the autonomy. I have been also there by minister. As you know that we have many glorious many achievements but this small issue can give him our achievement.

1:21:17

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So come along tonight, please bring a spare copy of the emails. We'll discuss it before we do it. Any other points? Any other points, sir? We want to get a week thanks to the managing director, because with his blessing, there is last one here. There is no clue injury. No incident. Don't say that. But there is a, you know, inside there is thing. If there is no incident.

1:21:41

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Why premium should not be less? You've just presented a claim for $700,000 four years later and you want a reduction in your premiums. Absolutely ridiculous.

1:22:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Please, one more thing I want to say, since we have come for the first time, BSC has procured, as you know, two sheep with one farm for the first time in honesty. And very recently, we are going to buy two ML tanker. And again, another one, Valkyrie, with our own money. I believe that the entire acquisition process is going to be completed in the next few to four months.

1:22:23

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Do you know what age are you looking for? Delivery maybe August 6 months. Delivery 6 months and acquisition process by 3 months. These 3 vessels should be very lesser because new vessels... More vessels are coming under here. This is also hope, more vessels are coming.

1:22:44

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So you get more coverage, more insurance, more activity, more premium.

1:22:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Open several windows, juncture, avenue for us with a golden pride. But the insurance sector, you did not do anything. Unless you reduce the premium, there will be three chairs for yourself. You have to do it, sir. How you do, I don't know. That I will do it after my retirement.

1:23:29

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_152)

you've got a very very big pni contamination claim you've got another seven hundred thousand dollars here none of your insurers are making money

1:23:36

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

So let's keep our premiums where they are. Let's thank them for their support. Be happy with the service of Tigefs. Truly, you are the first time you tell me, you ask me if you have any reservation. I am extremely delighted for being on board of Tigefs. We are under an umbrella. I want to enjoy that one. I don't want to achieve that one. I want to enjoy and I feel that I am well protected. Let's just talk.

1:24:06

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

It is a...

1:24:10

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

One month before it has gone to Russia and that was the cold time in Russia and the ice was around more than one week thick over the sea and the vessels, as usual it has gone to the St. Petersburg, then it has gone to the Ustiluga. Finally it was coming back from the Ustiluga, the chicken here, the vessel was several times stuck in the ice.

1:24:39

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

The last situation there was, it was waiting only for the ice breaker. The ice breaker came, broke the ice, then it has crossed the ice. Then, when the vessel is going to the skull, the chief in here noticed me, oh, my ship's speed cannot be increased and if I...

1:25:05

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Did they experience vibration? Not too much vibration. Vibration was slight. Vibration was not so high but the engine RPM they could not increase. When it is 65 to 70 the overload limit cut the engine.

1:25:29

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Then we discussed and decided as we have to go to the school, we ran from the local manoeuvry and we have gone to the school and we did that.

1:25:49

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Then we write the mail to the maker. Maker has asked several documents that the Indian performance, performance at 25% load, performance at 50% load, performance at 75% load. We have sent all the documents. Then maker told them,

1:26:11

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

There may be two issues. One issue is the hull. Yes, the vessel was stuck up for 21 days in the port.

1:26:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

And as for our charter party, if the vessel stays in same place more than 15 days, the charter owner has to ensure the hull cleaning. Then the maker has told, maybe your hull is fouling with the marine growth. So you do the hull inspection. And second option the maker is stealing, maybe your propeller is also fouled, either with the marine growth or there is some band in the propeller.

1:26:45

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Then immediately when the vessel came to the next boat, discharge boat in Konakri, Ivory Coast, we advance with informed chatterer. Yes, you have to arrange the hull inspection and hull cleaning.

1:27:02

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Then charter has arranged hall inspection and the hall inspector has given us the video and others document that your propeller blade is bent for 32 centimeter in one blade 32 centimeter with around 5 to 10 inch the bend. So in this situation the vessel can get the speed.

1:27:32

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

at 70 rpm it is getting the speed when it is supposed to be 95 rpm that means with low rpm it is getting the high speed as the band is at the forward direction so this is the band with this overload engine for this overload my engine was overload and number four unit the fuel pump roller guide the bearing has broken

1:27:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We have done the inspection in the port. We have found that number four unit bearing has separated. Then we have arranged the service engineer from the maker. Then they have cut off the number four unit safely taken the vessel from the bar to the anchorage. And we are sending immediately with the direction of my technical director sir from the maker within this short time.

1:28:22

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We have told the MECA within the day they have done the shipment with the DHS and now it has already reached to the code and waiting for the custom case maybe by two months. For the spare, the spare cost is for purpose $3,000 to $6,000 and for the air freight it is about $1500.

1:28:48

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So 7500 for the spare. Now question how the rectification will take place? Have they confirmed that? Now first thing that we will install the spare, it will be okay, but this propeller rectification for this propeller repair in this port, Ivory Coast, there is no such type of dry dock, such type of workshop. Really you know this is very poor.

1:29:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

facility in this port. So I have to think, yesterday with the PNI, with the Chattala PNI and my class and my class approved the harmless vector. Yesterday they have done the underwater inspection and also the propeller inspection and they have told that today they will submit the report, full report. Have they told you what the report says? Sorry? Have you had a verbal?

1:29:40

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

No, no, no, they are not. But verbally they have told just that the 32 centimeter one grade bent by 32 centimeter about 5 to 10 degree. This is their verbal. But actually maybe there is problem in the hall also.

1:30:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

The previous driver was from the charter. They may hide so many things because if they disclose all the problems, they may have to pay more. They may hide so many things. So now I have applied... Yes, yesterday the BB Surveyor along with BB approved driver from our cost, we have appointed so that...

1:30:26

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

There should not be any loophole, any gap. We get the exact report. We need an exact report. Yes, sir. So, I mean... No, no, it's still not. We are waiting for the... Yes.

1:30:55

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

so I understand that just technically I'm trying to understand because she has suffered the damage to the propolar blade somewhere at some stage at some stage in time it could have been some pretters work or it could have been a month before where she was also in ice

1:31:18

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Ever since she was sailing and then just after leaving from St. Petersburg, how many days was that after she experienced speed problems? About 20 days. 20 days. After leaving St. Petersburg. After leaving St. Petersburg. And then we are saying that this reportedly, the bent propeller blade, this allowed the vessel to reach...

1:31:45

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

the speed that she was supposed to reach, which created overload on the bearing that broke. Now, having this in mind, if we'll now just change the bearing without fixing the propeller blade, if this is really the propeller blade that is causing the damages and the vessel will continue sailing, we are going to have exactly the same situation, most probably leading to a bigger GA. That's not what we want to do.

1:32:11

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

I understand, because just before you joined, we had a short discussion that one way of doing the repairs is trimming the vessel and then straightening the blade. This is not, because before I didn't really understand the extent of the damages. So before that, I asked actually survey companies in the area if they can recommend any companies to, because I was thinking that maybe we'll have to prop the propeller. But they told me, we need to understand what the repairs will consist of. So I can go again.

1:32:40

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

and just ask if they have any companies to recommend in this area. But if she will have to move somewhere, how far we can go? Can we go somewhere to do these repairs elsewhere? Or would she need a towage?

1:32:59

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

No, no, no. This area, this area, this repair cannot be possible in this port area. Because in this area there is a dry dock with capacity to accumulate only up to 20,000 devoid ship. Not more than that. My one is 39,000 devoid ship.

1:33:20

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

and also also all the workshop also in the dry dog we told them you take the vessel in your repair bar and repair this one but no company is eligible to do is not capable it can be repaired my understanding is in two ways ideally two ways there are no other ways for us one is the ship has to be locked

1:33:48

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

If the problem can be addressed, then shift can be trimmed by forward by putting extra weight. So your resistance will go up and if it is possible, I am not sure that if possible then because problem with only one blade that can be replaced. But probably all three blades are together, how they are going to part. This is because this is not a CPP, this is fixed propeller. So for fixed propeller, all three blades are integrated together.

1:34:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

If you want to change the entire propeller, probably the ship has to be torn. That is our understanding. But if things favour us, there is a possibility with some capable repair shop or workshop that can be possible by making the ship clean by 4 hours. But chances are really less. Sir, we informed the charterer that ship will be ready by 23rd. And in the next available ports...

1:34:42

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

the repair will be done. This is when the availability of the dock and other repair facilities. Already, Charterer accordingly, sir, fixing their next improvements. Well, still we don't have the idea about how many days it will be required. But already, but already we very clearly mentioned Charterer. Charterer continues.

1:35:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

communicating and as there is a there is a options of fixing ah that's why they already fix the ships are to load from the brazil so good but meantime we inform so to discuss with the technical department she will be ready in 23rd and there will be no deviation of speed but there will be a problem of uh all our things i think speed and others chatter also asking is there any deviation of the speed but we inform that there is no deviation

1:35:28

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

We can reduce the speed. Chakra is already working on the cargo. From where she will load cargo? She will load cargo from Brazil. She will cross all the way to the Atlantic.

1:35:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Is there any scope for doing this repair in the Brazil area? I think maybe it would be way too far to go there. Because what we are facing right now is that I will just talk the insurance principles right now.

1:36:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I'm just, first of all, did class attend and have they issued any condition of class? Yes, of course they will issue the condition of class. What did they say? Until when you have to repair it? Yeah, they will get the report and then do it. So then they will issue condition of class saying until when you have to repair it. Now, if you will load anything or if you will send the vessel in bad condition to the sea and if anything will happen along the way.

1:36:47

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Your cover will be prejudiced. That's something that we need to keep in mind. So if there's the risk you want to undertake for commercial decisions, that is your risk, but then we cannot expect that an insurance will cover... If the vessel will be under the condition of... I mean, if the class will tell you, you have to repair it before you move for one more Atlantic voyage, then we have no other choice than to repair it. Which means that we have to start looking ASP.

1:37:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I think that after we leave from this meeting, we contact your... No, I think we need to wait for the report today.

1:37:25

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We have to wait for the report.

1:37:55

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

No, excuse me, my boss is telling actually, you know, because we have to consider the commercial side also. Rather than, if you always emphasize something... Because, you know, from Ivory Coast, it's in West Africa, and there's a direct route from West Africa to Brazil. You go to Brazil, on ballast, then do the effect repair, and then load the cargo and do.

1:38:16

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

If class allowed. Yes, yes. Subject to class recognition. Because Bessar is running with this condition last one month. And if you want to see it. Because if you're recording to PSC, PSC will have a lot of reservation. That with this if I have come.

1:38:31

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

And I think in the charter party we cannot commit to the conditions that we will not be able to meet. So I mean to certain kind of speed or so that she... You know, in the last time also, coming back from the USP, there was a problem, there was no speed deviations. Speed was the same as per CP. Even consumption is also the same.

1:38:57

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

You see, last 20 days, after the incident, last 20 days, this was in stream. But there was no division of conjunctions, no division of speech, but only argumentation.

1:39:18

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

But you know that when you want ice in the East Union, there is any suspicion, then this is the international practice to inspect the hull.

1:39:31

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

But we usually don't do it as there was no abnormalities in the machinery and there is no symptoms. But in this case we did it as there was a problem. That's why. I think you should send the report. And immediately we got the report, then we submitted the NOP. Please comment in your message that the pump has been replaced to rough cost 7,500 because that's all of interest to the insurance. You'll get the report. You'll see what class says in terms of it.

1:40:01

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

and you must come up with a plan as to what you would like to be doing. We need to engage with the Beazleys, Chris Dunford. We all know him well. He's very supportive. He will want to be running away to the survey companies and the repair yards. He likes it there. He won't want us to be doing that because that's why he will control.

1:40:32

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

Just some questions from my side, because there is a long way from the propolar blade until main engine. Do we expect that, because I mean if it created overload...

1:40:45

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

Then I would imagine that shaft was working also. Yes, the shaft also was overloaded, yes. Can we expect that there might be some damages?

1:41:19

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

So this is the first part and then we cover it part.

1:41:39

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

PNI Club will ask, and also all of your charters will ask, they will ask you...

1:41:45

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

I have a bit where Mother Chata will come near to you that, oh, this is a mistake by the captain, because the boy he did not see the, you know, eyes running. One of the things they will want to verify is that this captain's mistake or not? The ice clause requires service. No, no, these ones, these ones followed by icebreaker.

1:42:10

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

Yeah. The ice class clause in the policy, in the charge, requires certain steps to be taken. They'll just want to make sure those are all taken to provide you with the best chance of pursuing that claim. And that's quite reasonable.

1:42:22

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

if you have obligations in the charge to do this this when you're in ice then you need to show everything that could have been done

1:42:47

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

for the Underwater survey before to see when the propeller was checked the last time.

1:42:55

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

and in which condition the propeller was the last time. What they will also ask you would be lock engine records on any kind of operations. So that they could say, because they would say, it's not ice damage. It must have happened before. It must have touched the arm. So that's something from where we just need to protect our position if we want to do recovery with ice. So that's what will happen. So if you have any records of the latest propeller,

1:43:25

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_152)

you know proper inspections and if you have uh just records from from the last six months

1:43:53

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

She sailed from St. Petersburg on the 26th and nothing was really experienced until around 3rd and then reported on the 18th. Is it normal to not have the RPM immediately? Does it take a little while for it to come through or is that the kind of timeframe you would expect? I'm just trying to understand why it wasn't obvious more early on the voyage.

1:44:24

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Was there any report from the master immediately after leaving this? Yeah, this question is that you are telling that it has been noticed after 20 days of leaving that court. Question is that, these 20 days, why they have not experienced anything? That's the question. There's RPM, load, so many things is there. I tell you, here there was also another problem. Another problem was that the channel has supplied the diesel oil.

1:44:51

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

That was very low viscosity. That means 2.4 viscosity.

1:45:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Our CV viscosity should be 325 CST, but it was 2.6. Then we thought that maybe the problem is with the fuel pump. And also the maker has told that maybe the problem may be fuel pump. That's why we are thinking that after overhauling the fuel pump, this problem will be solved.

1:45:26

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

But the last time, maker has told that yes, you do this job of underwater inspection, also you do the maintenance of your fuel pump, you check your propeller. Then after doing all these things, during the inspection we have found this problem. Because I should inform what I will be sure, because maybe this problem with my fuel pump also.

1:45:52

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Yes, in the meantime also I have changed the full purpose. That means they have been experienced, but they did not understand that. The problem is actually with this problem. They don't understand, I did not understand. I was just trying to work with it. A little bit expected or a bit unusual. Please, I'm on the same team as you are. I'm just thinking out loud, that's what I usually do.

1:46:18

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Can it be that we are looking into two completely separate events the propeller blade that is bent that didn't actually influence engine and fuel that has influenced engine and if so which one has caused the problems with the speed 20 days after the vessel departed from ice would it be rather the broken bearing or would it be rather the propeller blade that is bent?

1:46:45

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Yes, now I have overhauled my four fuel pump in this port. After sailing, I can give you exact scenario of the engine and the propeller. I will just talk with you and it will also solve your cancer. Because since I have been on board for many years, the result is the same. Having a bane in the propeller, it is almost certain it will have an impact.

1:47:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

There may be problem with the fuel, there may be cumulative effect. So that ship even did not understand. They thought that probably problem with the fuel and other things. So maybe they may experience the cumulative effect of both or that was the result of propeller. Having a bend in the propeller, it will not have an impact on the ship. It cannot be happened.

1:47:39

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

Any technical man will agree with me. You have a 32 centimeter bend with the propeller. It will not have an impact on the ship, machinery, engine, stun tube, seal. Somehow it will have some problems. Because propeller having problem with 1 inch, 2 inch strings and 32 centimeter means almost it is 13 to 14 inch. It is almost certain that it will have an impact.

1:48:05

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

in the line of missionary, maybe main engine, maybe shaft, maybe seal, maybe stunt you, maybe a gland, anywhere.

1:48:13

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

At first you can see it by RPM, because RPM will fracture. Very easy to find out this one, I don't understand why it's true.

1:48:42

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

He should have an incident. Also, there was no excessive vibration on the vessel. My technical director, sir, we have together made the meeting. My technical director, sir, me, Captain Chifiga, he was several times asked the captain, yes, captain, there was any vibration, excessive vibration? Again and again, captain told, sir, please believe me, there is no excessive vibration. This vibration is almost as trivial.

1:49:10

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So that time by Techno-Tegrosha, maybe the problem is with the fuel pump. If there is problem with the blade, there should be a vibration. After that, because without making sure, it is really unexpected that the propeller will be bent. And there is bent, but there is no vibration.

1:49:29

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So, who is there, I have found the bed, then and then I have informed the chatter, I have informed the PNI, everybody I have informed that. Yes, I have found this problem. One more thing, no RPM is less, but speed is same. Speed is same. And consumption also same. And consumption also same. Current was forever. Current was forever. That's why they are getting speed. At high C, you know, the effect of the current. Also, also...

1:49:57

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_152)

He would probably resent that.

1:50:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

We are thinking that, also we are thinking that maybe the RPM monitor is problem. First time, first time, me and technical director sir, we are telling that maybe your tachometer is making problem. Maybe the tachometer sensor is not working at it. Because the vessel is getting the same history.

1:50:23

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

This was the video. So we can discuss this further this evening. And we will see the report. Thank you. So please go a little bit early before the dinner and have a session especially discuss about particular things so that you can at least analyze the issue and come to a point of conclusion.

1:50:44

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_152)

So can we wrap up to this session please? No that's what I was thinking. We need to head. So come along 30 minutes before the room. Will you bring the emails? I'd share the reports if you get to record it. Chris and Nam thank you very much for being with us. We are extremely delighted to have you on board as you know that all the organizations should have trust on each other and as you know that our people, our men are...

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