WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I am recording this conversation because I couldn't
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
talk fast.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Do you consent to it?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Mm -hmm.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yep.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Okay.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
So we're here to discuss a few things.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Mm -hmm.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Okay.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
We're here to discuss yesterday and what happened
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
today.
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I'm discussing yesterday.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Okay.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Can we find out why?
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because that meant mental health worse and it's all about bad friends and jump off
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
a bridge.
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
And that's what we're now to do.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Okay.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
So you believe what happened with Maddy has
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
affected you?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because she consented to it.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
She consented to it?
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
And I said to her,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
if you don't want to do it,
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
that's fine.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Just stay.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Okay.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
All she said was,
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I'm nervous because staff are downstairs.
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
And then she went and shut the door and she said,
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
you can touch me.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
That's fine.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
If he's happy not to give a statement,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
that's fine.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Obviously Maddy's giving a statement.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and then staff are giving a statement.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
If you feel like you don't want to give a statement,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
that's your choice.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
We're just giving you an opportunity to give a statement for your side,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
that's all.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
The other thing is,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
just to confirm,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
what's your relationship status with Mindy at the moment?
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Friends.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Just so we understand,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
we have a clear understanding that you are just friends.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
She's told me and her social worker...
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
she does not want a relationship or anything like that she really likes you but she
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
does not want a relationship that's what she said so we're clear on that yeah okay
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
so we can't have any pursuit the other thing is as well look
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
um i know you've used my name many times
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
to tell staff fibs about me giving you consent i have not
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
given you consent to be with maddie alone yeah i haven't
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
given you consent to just be without staff like that's not
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Abby was not there the whole time Abby was
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
not there the whole time because if Abby was there the whole time then
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
what happened wouldn't have happened right so she's
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
obviously done she's obviously not followed
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
the right protocol and she'll be dealt with separately but
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
from a mutual understanding
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
between us you it's important that you understand and where we stand
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
where I stand and where you should stand as well it's not like we
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
are against you having a relationship it's the fact that everything
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
just must be done safely in line with the court that's
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
it
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
We were told Nandi,
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
because Nandi ran the office last night.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Who?
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Nandi.
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
That's where the night staff were.
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
And Abby came down and said to Nandi,
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
oh,
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I'm allowed with Carson and Maddy.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I understand that,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
but that's staff not following protocol and not following
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
what should be in place.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
They're aware of your support plan,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
what should be in place,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
the reasons why it should be in place and all these things.
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Speaker 3 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, I know, I thought just technically she did that.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
If she followed protocol,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
then we wouldn't be in a situation of what occurred.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
i'm not saying you're right or wrong for whatever happened i'm just
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
saying that certain things would not happen if the staff don't yeah
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
which is obviously it's uncomfortable to have staff there you obviously want your own
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
privacy which i can respect i understand but we have to obviously have
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
that discussion engage with social work and then say okay well how
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
can we do this in a safe way everybody feels safe and respected does
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
that make sense
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
But again, just to reiterate,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
don't use my name.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because I can't have staff saying,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
oh, Carson said,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
oh, you're hammered,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
you're giving permission.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because it's not true.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You both know it's not true,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
so let's not do that.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Today,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
yeah?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
So,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
look, today,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I've been very
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
lenient with staff.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Meaning,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I want staff to have a good relationship with you,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and you to have a good relationship with them.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You have not been restrained once.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Not once.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Now,
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the reason being is because you're an adult.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I can speak to you,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and you can understand that you are an adult.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Your mum is on the same page as us,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
which I really appreciate from your mum,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
from the standpoint of keeping you safe.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You going out like this
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and running around with Jaden,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
we can't have that.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because, number one,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
if you're running away from staff,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
How are staff supposed to keep you safe?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I understand,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
obviously, you've got your friends and,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
you know,
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Jade is your friend,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Maddy's your friend.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I get it.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I completely get it.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
But at the same time,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
you have to understand that you have certain restrictions that they do not.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Just walk.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, but this is what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You either have to be the bigger man,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
yeah,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and stop yourself,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
or I'll have to tell staff to stop you.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I don't want them to have to stop you,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
but you have to understand,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
where you were,
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there are kids around you.
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Do you understand?
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That's why I said to you,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
if you are going to leave,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I will just call the police.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because if I don't call the police,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I'm not doing my job.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
That makes sense?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
So,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I can't do that to Maggie and I can't do that to Jaden.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
It's not because I don't like you.
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It's because we obviously have a framework,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
which is adults,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and we have to work towards that.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
And then if I find that,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
okay, there are more suitable staff for you who
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
can challenge you and tell you no,
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then I'll have to put those staff on.
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So I'm giving you the opportunity to guide us and tell us,
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look.
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I'm going to listen.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You're having a conversation.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You're being safe.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
There is no issue.
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The moment you're not being safe,
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the care service has to act.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
So I've been very lenient.
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I've been very relaxed.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Staff have been very relaxed.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
But in real terms,
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next time round,
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we're not going out that door.
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Because I don't want you to be in a situation where you're
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going to be affected.
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Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Because you have a police case,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
then what?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You have your nice flat,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
you have a nice home,
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you've got your friends.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Why would you want to be involved in the police?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
It doesn't even make any sense.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Do you know what I'm trying to say?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
So let's just go on that basis with a mutual understanding between
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us. It's not us trying to restrict you.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
It's purely us trying to keep you safe.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Otherwise,
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I would have said the same thing that I said to Jaden.
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And Maggie.
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Alright,
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you're outside.
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See you later.
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Yeah.
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Don't care.
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Bye -bye.
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Right?
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But because obviously we care how you're restricted to
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be able to respect those,
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I can't do that with you.
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I just can't.
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That makes sense?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah. So is there anything else I've uncovered?
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And I feel like if you feel
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like, I need you to tell us right now,
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if the relationship you're having with Jaden,
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you're feeling...
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like he's making you do things that you don't want to do,
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then really we have to put some sort of restriction around it.
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Which is what I'm
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saying.
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You
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cannot tell us,
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like, you raised the safeguarding against him.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Then you became friends with him.
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You invited him today out to go out with you.
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You invited,
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you initiated it.
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Correct?
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We cannot protect you if we're not clear
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on where we're standing.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I mean,
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just remember, just the other day he called you a pedo.
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Just remember that,
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just the other day.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, no.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah?
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So if you think if I had a friend who was my genuine
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friend, do you think they'll say those types of things?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
No. They wouldn't.
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So if he hasn't got your best interest at heart...
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then this isn't a friend that you should have.
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Now,
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in regards to Maddy,
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I know Maddy cares about you.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah.
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But
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what I'm
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saying is, yeah,
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that's not a real friend.
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A real friend respects you and treats you equal.
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Yeah.
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A real friend doesn't just turn around and call you a word that's extremely offensive to
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you. He doesn't know your background.
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He doesn't know what affects you.
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He doesn't know anything about you.
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Do you understand?
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So then this person egging you on to do certain things,
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it's not a true friend.
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That's what you have to understand.
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So Manny's going for your own challenges.
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You're going for your own challenges.
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Jalen's got his own challenges.
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friends respect one another's challenges you don't pick on somebody
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and say certain things to them you know what i mean and i just want to remind
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you as well he grabbed you and what did you do you called the police and
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then today your friends again do you think that the police are just going
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to think oh yeah i'm going to take this guy seriously
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if every time you have a problem you call the police and the next day
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you're okay again it's not a police event then is it what's the point calling
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the police
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You're a smart guy.
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Just try and understand.
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Like,
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you know,
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I can't call a piece on pizza one day and then the next day just turn around and
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be his best friend.
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Yeah.
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It just can't be the case.
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And maybe you're pressured to do that because Maddie's there.
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I understand.
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Maddie's there.
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Jaden is there.
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And it's like a bit of a pressure.
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But you also have to stand on your own two feet and say,
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you know what?
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This isn't me.
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I'm my own person.
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I'm my own man.
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You either roll with me or you don't roll with me.
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That's how you have to be.
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And then they'll respect you.
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But you'll see,
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they'll turn back home today.
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Guaranteed.
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So,
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and if they're inviting you to go out,
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that should tell you they can't go out without you.
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They need you to go out.
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So as long as you stay put,
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calm, nobody's going to know you.
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But look,
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there's no problem with going out.
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Exactly.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You want to go out,
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there are three of you.
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There is no problem.
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If you choose,
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okay, you know what,
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I want to go out in jail.
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and we deem it safe,
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there's no problem going on.
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Where the problem arises is when you're doing stupid shit or
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you're doing things that are just not safe.
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Where there's other people around making bad
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decisions.
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That is just not...
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We're just going to have to turn around and listen.
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Nobody's going out.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Maddie and them,
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whatever, but you're not going out.
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We don't want to do that.
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Why would you just say,
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okay, freely?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Please,
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I want to go out today with Maddie to wherever.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I'm not going to walk.
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Go on the walk.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
You've never been restricted,
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have you?
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Nobody's been like,
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no, you can't go.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
No one said that here.
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So just respect that.
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Yeah. I think that's...
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Do you have anything?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Any questions?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
No.
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Did you get my message this morning?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Hey,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
you messaged me a few things.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
I don't really...
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Let me see.
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About Abby.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Oh,
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I mean,
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look.
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Abby's got Maddie on Snapchat.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
That comes down to staff conduct,
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right?
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
Yeah, yeah.
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Should staff have services on Snapchat?
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Probably not, right?
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so we'll have to have a conversation around that and see what the
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
risk around that is and get it from there but I
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
appreciate you letting us know I had a conversation with Maddie about it
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
and Maddie doesn't want to have it to get in trouble but it's not my decision you
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
understand so we appreciate that I've really had a chat with Maddie
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Speaker 1 (WhatsApp Audio 2026-06-10 at 20.13.00)
about it so I'll have a look and see what makes more sense alright cool
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thanks Carson
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