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Yeah, services.
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So didn't we not say we would?
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So,
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yeah, with,
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well,
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with services,
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we either,
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so the problem we have is that there's a little bit of crossover with,
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yeah, with the how we work section.
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And ultimately,
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it's a hangover from the old website.
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And it's whether or not we keep it there and whether or not it adds
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any value.
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You know, but I think there needs to be a more,
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there needs to be something along those lines of
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like what we do,
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you know,
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in concrete terms,
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because we speak about how we work and we speak about flexibility and we
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speak about the different bits of software.
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But ultimately,
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you know,
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services is about,
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well, if I come here,
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what am I,
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you know, what am I,
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what am I buying?
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What am I actually getting?
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yeah yeah and i get it and so and here it's i suppose
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this which is from the old website slightly rewritten just
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feels like yeah there's there's more stuff being
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added but suddenly it appears like obviously cell support multilingual
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thing back office cx orchestration so we're kind of talking
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about the same things we're trying to package them as
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as things that are like understandable for the client.
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This is what I'm buying,
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but I'm not sure we're doing a great job.
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But my point would be,
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as long as we're not doing a terrible job in confusing people,
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then this is something that we can maybe optimize as
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we go, because we have nothing like that.
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It's like, you know,
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what am I buying?
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So can I can I?
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I think this is the page where the tip of the
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iceberg of
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what we're talking about with card and math needs to be inserted.
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So maybe this is what you focus on on your workshop.
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Yeah,
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is basically saying what are the things we do and how
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we work?
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This is how we work,
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right? This is services.
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Yeah,
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it's not or what we do.
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But this is all right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I know.
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But this is the whole idea is,
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yeah.
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But the idea is that in any case is that what we're trying to do is make
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the BPO more strategic by having a transformational
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and optimization edge as part of its delivery,
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right?
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Today we are providing just bums on seats,
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right?
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So whilst there are two,
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when you come in selling BPO,
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you're coming in selling bums on seats.
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Sorry to use that expression,
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but that's the expression.
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Sorry.
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While we're coming and selling bums on seats,
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what we're trying to get to now is open the door and
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saying, oh,
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we've got problems with XYZ and actually,
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okay, we can sell technologies,
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but actually we can sell people and talent on tap as well.
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AKA BPO services.
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it being it being inside the website here is
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not completely the the idea is we're bringing these
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things closer together because today it's distinct and it shouldn't be it's supposed
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to be one right we should have a tip the tip of
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our of our spear should be transformation of cx yeah
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yeah but today we're selling either bums on seats and technology out
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there
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Yeah, and we've put some of the technologies like Missouri Cloud,
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which is all that inside the website and the old website for BPO,
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right?
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But then when we get to the table,
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we don't talk about it,
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right?
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So this is why we need to bring them together.
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So what do we do for our clients?
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We can just say what we do is we design and we are regulated
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ready customer operation.
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I mean, I think using regulated ready is,
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I'm not sure about where that comes from,
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and I'm not sure it's good to put that.
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From everyday customer care to complex high -stake journeys,
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but in there,
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we add to that what we do and embed
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transformational technology to transform the way CX
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works within the organization.
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Something of that nature.
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Again, what I think you should go with is publish this
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page as it is.
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but use this as the vector
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for your workshop.
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How does this page need to look like?
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You know,
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and it's not about BPO services,
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right?
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What we deliver.
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Yeah, this is the BPO side of things.
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This is part of the BX.
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orchestration services here,
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you know,
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scale.
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Which essentially is that feels like it's a bigger
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thing than one than one square next to sales support.
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Do you see what I mean?
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Sales support to me is not of the same weight as CX orchestration.
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Yeah.
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So what our clients get from Sansei,
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they get three things.
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They get the best talent money can buy.
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That's number one.
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Oops.
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Two,
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at the lowest cost point because of
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our micro staffing and optimization approach.
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And three,
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the optimization halo
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effect for their internal operation with our transformational capabilities.
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That's the three things they get from us.
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That third point.
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is what then we need to expand upon or you need to expand upon with
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Matt and Ted,
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right?
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Because that is the unsung hero and
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the unsung and the unplayed trump card in
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our deck.
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Yeah?
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Does that make sense or not?
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It does make sense.
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Three bubbles.
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Best talent.
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money can buy.
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What they get is talent on tap with real transformational
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technologies.
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So they get the talent.
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And here we can just sing about UK
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-wide.
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We make the world your oyster,
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whatever.
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Just use talent.
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We get you the best talent across the UK and beyond if you need.
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Two,
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at the lowest price point due to our
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micro -staffing optimization system.
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Yeah, and LiveDesk,
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whatever. You don't need to mention the products,
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but yeah,
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we provide the best productivity and well -being.
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And three,
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the halo effect of this productivity and well -being optimization
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for your colleagues in -house by leveraging our SaaS
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and our capability,
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whatever, to transform your CX work.
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Because the key thing,
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Tom, is that it has to feel non -invasive.
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Because as soon as you talk about transformation,
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most businesses,
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they're like, no,
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sorry, we're taking care of our own transformation.
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You know,
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we don't need our BPO to help us.
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But the idea here is that we've got USPs,
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Team Tonic and Live Desk are completely unique in the market.
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And they're transformational,
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but they're not invasive.
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Yeah.
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Technologies.
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And this is what Matt was saying,
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is the BPO is the boutique window for and the proof point
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of these technologies because you have it as part of any BPO engagement.
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However,
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they can be put at your,
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you can use them for your own people as well once you've seen what they can do with
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Sanset.
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Yeah.
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Which,
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yeah.
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Okay,
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so just one question.
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One question,
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like how this thinking,
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right?
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How and
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I'm not being facetious,
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but how is this wishful thinking?
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Or is this stuff where we have example?
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And by wishful thinking,
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I mean, is it us projecting
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what we believe we can become,
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which is valid?
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Or is this something that's been born out of?
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We have seen this with certain of our clients.
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There is a real opportunity.
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There's a real opportunity here that they can be,
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you know.
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You see what I mean?
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It's not wishful thinking,
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but it's proven.
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Like, my nerds call is Nespresso.
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Nespresso is leaving BPO,
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but they're taking LiveDesk,
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right? So we're doing,
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you know,
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they're not saying,
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oh, well, let's try LiveDesk because you don't see what it does.
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We Allianz was a BPO client that then adopted LiveDesk
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and then left BPO and continued with LiveDesk.
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You know,
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so we...
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And apart from...
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Yeah,
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sorry.
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Just one question.
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No, no, that's really good examples,
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and that's good.
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We have two or three.
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Now, is that something that,
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you know, is that demand?
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Are people aware of that?
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So apart from our clients who work with us and there's the halo effect and that happens,
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is there an appetite in the wider industry or even a knowledge
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that this is a thing?
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Do you see what I mean?
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Or is this something?
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Do you see what I mean?
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Are we?
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No,
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well,
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not really.
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And just to be clear,
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we keep missing a trick.
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And this is,
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again, why I brought Matt to this.
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to this equation,
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Tom, is that we've tried a number of things in selling the
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technology on its own,
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you know, SaaS based email campaigns and blah,
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blah, blah.
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But the point is,
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is that in our service delivery today,
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nobody's having these
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conversations.
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We're not doing account management.
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We have service delivery management,
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but no account management.
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So we
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end up being just bums -on -seat BPO partner,
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and we're very dispensable,
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and nobody recognizes the value.
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And it's an absolute sin that,
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you know,
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like for example,
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Bupa Live Desk is now live in Bupa.
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our service delivery director say oh no no but we've been trying we've been trying but it's
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just we don't have a seat at the table so the idea is with matt
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with the ted is that not only are we going to go and this is why
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it's farming and hunting we're going to go back to our all of our clients say look do you
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are you aware of these capabilities and what it
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can do for you what are your pen points and let us assess whether or not we
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can help you
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You know, we're here already.
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We're your partner,
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right?
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And then for new hunting,
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like in the AXA or RFP that you saw,
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I think, is they've seen Live Desk and like,
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oh my God, we love it.
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We want to put it everywhere in the world,
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you know?
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Put it in the RFP.
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The RFP is about actually bums on seats because they put everything you can on Live
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Desk and maybe in Team Tonic.
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We want to connect our colleagues in India and those in the US,
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right?
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um yeah this is a game changer for us right but it didn't it
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it came by coincidence right it's not because we have a systemic
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Yeah, you have an operation in place.
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And the only people that talk about it is
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me. And it's not wishful thinking.
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We've done it before.
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And that's where it's just like mind -blowing.
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I've done it before.
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I've sold it before.
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We've delivered it before.
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But unless I'm here in the room and freaking putting people's
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face in it, it's not happening.
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yeah and it's crazy so again so look this is why i'm
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trying to bring mad but i don't want to be paralysis by analysis you know i just wanted
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let's get going it doesn't matter there's no up that can happen
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right yeah yeah you need to build it you know because
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the the problem is that otherwise people spend time and time just
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building building and trying to make something perfect and what you need to do is
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just get it out there you know
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You don't have to convince me of that.
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But it's like
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the website.
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Just get it out.
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And if there are things that are not working,
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it will come out.
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Somebody will say something,
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right? So I
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think use this page as your thing.
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The first three things is talent.
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Flex and lower price points and great
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customer and employee outcomes that you
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can get as well.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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And then the services below,
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this is where we can put obviously customer care,
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sales support.
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And then basically the three bottom ones could
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be again bubbles around technologies or optimization
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rather than talking about other BPO type services.
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What this is trying to do there is
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bar CX orchestration are different types of services.
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So maybe we should put one big box for BPO and
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all types of BPO services inside.
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So this RFP,
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the AXA thing where you've apparently thrown everything at
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it, I mean,
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that would be a good,
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because I suppose you've led on that,
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so you were in the room for that,
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so you've kind of,
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in that, you've probably laid that out,
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right?
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all of these eventually I was brought in the room but too late and the lesson
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learned on that one is I I was brought in too late and without a
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clear understanding of the scope um and I threw AI
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at it and effed it up um but again it's
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it's fine I mean it can be used but it's no no the question the question was that is
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there an RFP or something that the latest document where
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Yeah, as an RFP,
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but maybe that's not a good example.
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Where we present these things and we talk about them in a salesy way,
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you know, in a formalized way,
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a deck that we did for a client or the,
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you know, the very latest of it,
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but yeah. Yeah,
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you can use it,
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but RFP is generally is not salesy.
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It's procurement ready,
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right?
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So it's a different audience.
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But it can absolutely be used and it should be.
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And Ted has it.
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He's the one that did the final proofreading and all that.
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And it's good to use it.
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particular case,
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we have a client that already wants and understands the product,
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right?
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So it's a bit different,
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right?
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So again,
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we educate them in it and stuff like that,
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but it's not like,
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you know.
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Again, I think,
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yeah,
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I mean, I think that can be used,
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but just back to this page,
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what I would say is that for these bubbles,
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probably we have one big BPO bombs on seed
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bubble and all,
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everything they can do,
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customer care,
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multilingual,
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sales, DRBC,
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back office and admin,
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right?
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that we name it all and then we have then other
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bubbles, maybe smaller ones,
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the transformational capability or optimization capability.
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Yeah, yeah,
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yeah.
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We basically explode the CX orchestration
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element.
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Yeah,
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guys, people are waiting for me on another call,
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but I just and then then the rest I'm fine.
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As I say,
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I think if you can just,
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you know, do these these light tweaks and
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obviously from a picture point of view,
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what's the what's the deal with the pictures?
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So with the pictures,
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we we have a we have a series of pictures that are that are our pictures
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that we've
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taking the filter off and stuff like that.
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And we're going to try a maximum to use those pictures that
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we already have.
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So real people,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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And then a lot of
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these are placeholder things,
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which I think are a little bit too generic.
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So the idea is we're going to use as maximum,
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as much as we can,
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our pictures.
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And then we're going to try and
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have a bit less of these like smiley people,
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good looking people.
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just laughing at deaths and stuff like that,
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but yeah.
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But that's
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also something that we can evolve gradually.
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It's not,
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you know, but we'll start by,
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yeah, more of our pictures essentially.
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And that was a conversation we were having with Iman when you joined
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as essentially a task for today is just to get those pictures
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changed basically.
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Yeah.
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We have other certifications
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which we could probably put in there.
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Okay.
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Yeah,
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well, I mean,
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same thing.
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Because this page has already been reviewed by supposedly
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seven different people,
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and they've all provided feedback.
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Leave it,
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leave it, leave it.
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So, yeah,
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let's just crack on with it.
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And then, like you said,
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people will start piping up if something's missing.
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So see,
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we say certified carbon neutral in 2026,
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which you carbon neutral,
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so put that in right in the front page
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when we, you know,
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we were talking about the,
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what was it?
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Carbon,
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you know.
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Yeah,
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put certified carbon neutral here or something
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like that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And here put the employee numbers,
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the disability.
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Which is 20%,
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all right?
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Carers and disabled,
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whatever. Okay?
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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Yes.
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All right.
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Guys,
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sorry for hijacking.
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Hopefully that was productive.
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Tom,
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if you want to have a chat at some point,
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between
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11,
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13, and 12,
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I can,
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or I can do between at 4.
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I'll be on...
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yeah whatever is cool just just call you i'm here today
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you call me when you have the headspace okay yeah okay all right yeah
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cool thanks guys
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i think we uh what we can do is i just need a little break to go to the
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loop but then i think we jump back on the call and we do we go through the list together was
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that okay yes makes more sense right so once that's done then we'll
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increase the content part then we can move forward yeah exactly and then and then we'll
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go on we'll go on to the image space um but let's do it together it'll
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be more more fun and easier and we can compare notes and stuff yeah okay
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Great. Let's do 10 to,
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yeah,
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in 10 minutes,
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please. Yeah.
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Or 15 minutes.
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Do you need a lunch break?
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What time is it?

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