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May 26, 2026 22:08
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No, that's great.
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Really good to speak to you.
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I was going to just...
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Yeah, no, absolutely.
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I've been there.
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I spoke to most of the Pogues over the years and got to know
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Shane when he was in Glasgow a little bit for a few years in the early 2000s.
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He recorded some solo stuff there.
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And I'll come back to that in a minute.
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What I wanted to start on was I think you came back at a good time because...
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I remember going to see,
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I was asked to review,
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there was some tribute acts,
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you know, and I felt it didn't really embody,
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you know,
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what the Pogues were about for me.
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You know, they would do the songs,
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but I felt they were slightly mawkish,
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you know.
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But when you came back,
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I thought, right,
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I'm glad,
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like, actual members of the band are back and,
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you know, Red Roses for Me came out.
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So it felt like there was a conviction and a sense of timing in it all,
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if that makes sense wider.
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Yeah, definitely.
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I mean,
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one thing we always wanted to stay away from was from anything that was
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in any way mawkish or,
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as you say,
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or maudlin.
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I mean,
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I think it's also important to sort of like,
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to bear in mind,
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when this started,
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the first Red Roses thing,
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the show at Hackney Empire,
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it was not really,
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I mean, and it's never,
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this isn't...
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how to put this the right way um it's not it's not like a
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tribute to shane as such it's more of it's it's it started
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really as a i was approached by tom cole and um and
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campbell bound tom cole's the drummer in in in fontos dc
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campbell runs a thing called broadside hacks down in london which is a kind
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of folk collective label various you know um
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All sorts of things,
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really. And anyway,
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they were just doing this weekend of Irish music at the Moth Club in Hackney.
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And they'd sort of realised that it was 40 years
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since Red Roses came out.
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And they asked me if I was interested in just doing it the Friday night of the
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weekend, but just doing an evening devoted to Red Roses,
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you know, using the people that they already had playing.
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And there was no one,
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there was no sort of really,
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other than Andy Irvin,
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who I didn't actually,
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I didn't actually approach in the end.
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There was no one there,
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like really,
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no sort of big names or anything like that.
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I didn't really sort of,
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it just seemed to me it was a nice,
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like low key.
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staying in a kind of a tribute you know a sort
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of way of sort of like acknowledging shame but also really of you know happy
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birthday birthday red roses for me yeah and then and
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it just sold out it sold out so quickly um and
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with such a sort of like waiting list that we had to move it to hackney empire
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and that's when this really started taking off yeah and it sort of
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took if you like it's pretty much its present shape we've
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had a couple of um subtractions and additions but the the lineup
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that we're going up where the war will be going out within at the
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end of the year is the same lineup that we took to that went
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to australia and new zealand just just um just a little while ago
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and did the uk tour and the us tour and everything
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It reminds me of the Sex Pistols running the flag
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up the pole and playing the gig.
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South London,
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I forget the name of the venue,
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but it was kind of where Steve Jones and Paul Cook used to hang
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about. And,
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you know, it kind of took off and started growing again quite organically,
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which says to me that,
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you know, there's a new audience for this.
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I mean, I was over in Belfast doing a story on the FLA,
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and from speaking to people,
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you know, it seems like traditional music now has grown in a way that
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wasn't there maybe 30,
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40 years ago.
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I think that's definitely...
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the case yeah tell us about that why you think that's happened spider i'm
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not really i'm probably not the the person that you should be asking well um
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i mean like we've we've been aware of of people like lancome
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actually from when uh when um i mean my wife um was
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we're actually living in new orleans um came and
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played in new orleans when they were still known as lynched from the you know the
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lynch brothers yeah um they changed they they actually i think it was all
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natural that they changed their name they realized that lynched
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was, you know,
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too many connotations attached to the name,
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understandably.
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And in fact,
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we sort of,
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we had sort of a friend of ours,
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Mashiach said,
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oh, these guys,
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they're playing down the road.
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They actually played a club called Siberia,
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which is on St.
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Claude Avenue in New Orleans.
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Yeah.
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And we were like,
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oh, we don't really want to sort of,
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we were kind of like,
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I don't want to sort of like,
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go and see,
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you know,
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Pose fans.
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Which is a bit churlish of us.
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suppose but you know what i mean we were done like it was it was also very very hot and
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i think we just wanted to study it but much much to our much
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to our you know and that that was definitely our loss um yeah um i
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saw them again um when uh shane's birth 60th birthday
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oh yeah national council in dublin when they did a version of
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the old name drag which was just um they did it kind of i think
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acapella but well more or less acapella i think there was this kind of like
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single sort of lone drone accompanying them if i recall correctly and it
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was it was just brilliant it was staggering yeah and they're a staggering band and
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i think as you know this is something that's been going on since uh
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i think i think people started sort of like i
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mean obviously you know traditional music in ireland has never gone away you
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know it's all it's always been there um and there's always been sessions
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and there's always been people sort of trying to i think
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Well, I mean,
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it seems to me that what happened was basically a bunch of younger people
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just picked up the baton and really,
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really have run with it.
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I mean, Ireland is,
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you know, there's artists coming out now of such astonishing calibre.
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People like Lisa O 'Neill,
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like John Francis,
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like Lancome,
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of course, go without saying.
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Lancome's,
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if you like...
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side projects is is is something of an insult possibly for
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the other people involved but um um uh
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oxen which is rady pete and katie kim and
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a couple of other um um are really really good
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um poor creature which is cormac um
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from lancum ruth clinton from who's corner um uh their
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partners but um ruth from latches from landless
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And there's a couple of other people in there.
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Oh, John Dermody,
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who's in the Jimmy Cake,
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who's Cormac's brother,
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also plays drums in America,
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also came on tour with us when we toured the UK last
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time.
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I mean, the list,
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they just go on and on and on.
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Every time I turn around,
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there's, you know,
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there's, oh,
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God, look, there's someone else.
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So Junior Brother,
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all these people.
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And then it's also a lot of them are really,
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They're doing very new and innovative and exciting things
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with the trad form.
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And I think another thing that really
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stands out is just simply how talented so many of them are.
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I mean, Lisa O 'Neill is just,
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I think,
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an astonishing.
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generational talent to have someone like herself and people
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like john francis flynn as well and people like that actually touring with us you
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know i mean it's just great it's uh and to have them all
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seemingly turning around and say yeah you know and the pokes are a real sort of inspiration
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for us it's like well it's it's enormously flattering apart from anything else
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yeah i mean yeah no do you know sorry yeah
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Yeah, no,
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I mean, it also,
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in terms of doing this,
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it gives us this pool of superlative
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talent to work with.
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No, I
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mean, yeah,
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no, no.
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also very flattering but i mean dylan's kind of um dylan's been on the record as
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as being a pokes fan since of way back yeah um
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you know we we um we opened it for him twice
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Back in the 80s.
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Actually, Shane didn't turn up for those,
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but that's another story.
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But I think it was his son,
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Jesse, turned Bob onto the pokes,
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but Bob is a certified pokes son.
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The same is true of Bruce,
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who was actually at one of those Dylan shows.
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Oh.
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Because I had to stand,
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as Shane wasn't around,
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I was like,
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they said, well,
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Spider, you've got to sing.
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I don't know,
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I just froze.
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Bruce Springsteen coming up to me backstage
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at what I think was the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles,
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one of those places,
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and kind of like asking if he could use the bathroom in the green room
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and then coming back and saying,
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oh, by the way, I just want to say I really like your songs.
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And I was like,
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what?
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Who is this guy,
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actually? He looks vaguely familiar.
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And then there was Daryl Hunt and Phil Chevron.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
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I'll definitely come along in Glasgow because I'm looking forward to seeing the show.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I mean, that was a great version of Fairytale in New York,
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because I know Steve Lillywight did a little bit of press for it.
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But what an amazing piece of history,
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because I remember Philip Chevron said that,
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you know, the Pogues are essentially a Glasgow band,
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meaning they're a kind of subculture Irish band.
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I really understood his quote.
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So to release that at Barrowland...
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Actually,
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not Philip Chevron that said that.
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He might have borrowed it,
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but it was...
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the irish journalist damon mccann oh right okay yes he did a
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whole piece on the band that was he came with us up to up
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to glasgow when we were playing at the barrel hands and he so he did this
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really brilliant piece which is about the band but it was also it kind
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of was
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based around a sort of potted history of the founding
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of Glasgow Celtic.
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And he kind of extrapolated from there and then he took
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in this kind of a show we did at the Barrowlands,
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which is, you know,
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just far and away.
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I mean, Pog's audiences,
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any way you see them,
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are generally really,
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really up for it and really good crowds.
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And I think,
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you know, it's always real mayhem,
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but in the best and most positive sense.
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But still,
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as good as everywhere is,
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very few places come close to them.
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kind of close to Glasgow,
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especially the Marrowlands.
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Yeah, no,
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absolutely.
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What's it like in Ireland itself,
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Spider?
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Because obviously you are a diaspora band,
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but how do the shows translate,
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say, in Dublin,
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for instance?
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Dublin's always been really...
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Ireland's always been great,
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obviously.
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I think there's been possibly...
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I don't know.
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I've always felt slightly nervous on stage in Ireland.
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I feel that there's a certain...
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Or I've felt in the past.
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I don't think so.
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I don't really feel this to be the case anymore.
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I felt a certain kind of imposter syndrome.
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I mean, I'm not Irish and I have no Irish
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in my family.
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And that's actually true.
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When the band started,
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half of us weren't Irish at all.
12:51
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Yeah, yeah.
12:52
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It was a shame.
12:54
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And Cot were both,
12:55
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well,
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even in fact,
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were born in Ireland.
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Not that that makes any difference,
13:00
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but Shane was born in London to Irish parents who were over here visiting
13:05
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relatives.
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Actually,
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he was born in London,
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he was born in Kent.
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But that's why they were here.
13:10
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And Cot was born in Lagos.
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Her dad was an electrical engineer working out there.
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And out of the other original members,
13:21
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Andrew was...
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i i think andrew's dad was in fact irish but had lived in in
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england his entire life i mean since he was very
13:32
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very little so um until terry and philip joined though they
13:36
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were the only sort of um irish -born members of the band um
13:41
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but that i mean but i think the most the more important thing
13:45
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really is yeah i mean the songs the songs
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have focused
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to a large extent on the diaspora,
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I suppose one could say that,
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but I mean, there's a whole lot more that one could say about the songs as well.
14:02
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I think a lot of what it is is the Pogues really
14:06
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are, I think we're probably a London band,
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actually.
14:09
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I love the notion that Pogues are a Glasgow band.
14:12
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That takes a lot of boxes.
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But in terms of what actually fuelled
14:20
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the pogues fueled the sort of like the um if
14:25
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one's dna couldn't be fueled yeah um then what
14:29
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pope fueled the pope's dna is is actually london yeah i mean
14:33
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that that's really interesting because i thought i wanted to ask you about that because um i read
14:37
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the so just yeah just to finish that thought off
14:41
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yeah i think that that's that's the way to look at the pogues as being a
14:45
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london band like say
14:47
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like, say,
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The Clash or The Kinks.
14:49
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Yeah, yeah.
14:50
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That makes a lot of sense,
14:52
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actually, because I recently was reviewing The
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Kinks Show, and it actually does,
14:59
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I get exactly...
15:00
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what you mean um in terms of when you met shane i i wanted to ask you
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um what what was it about him because i read that you met a ramon show
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i know he was around the punk scene um but not having that irish
15:12
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um identity yourself
15:14
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But, I mean, you know,
15:15
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when you see that early footage,
15:17
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I mean, you're fully signed up to it.
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I was going to say,
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when I watch you alongside Shane with the whistle and so on,
15:23
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you look like a gang.
15:24
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Again,
15:25
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there's a conviction in the imagery,
15:27
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Spider.
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But I wanted to ask you about those early notions.
15:29
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Were you drawn to his songwriting?
15:31
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Were you drawn to his energy?
15:33
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Or was it kind of all of the above?
15:35
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Well,
15:36
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there's actually, I mean,
15:37
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there's actually a sort of two -year gap between my first meet Ramones
15:43
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and the...
15:44
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roundhouse in 1977 and then sort of meeting him properly
15:48
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which would have been when I moved into Burton Street in Bloomsbury at
15:53
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the beginning of 1979 and Shane was already
15:57
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living there.
15:58
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Half the street was squatted and Jem
16:03
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and James were living on that street next
16:07
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door to each other.
16:09
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um and there's a whole bunch of other people living there as well actually you
16:13
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know the burton street is worthy of a book and a film and and a reunion
16:17
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tour or whatever and it's in its own right um um
16:22
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and an anniversary um but uh yeah
16:26
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yeah um so i mean like i don't know like i guess we
16:30
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just we just hit it off we had we
16:35
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had a lot of things in common
16:37
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The Nips,
16:37
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we used to go and see The Nips a lot because,
16:39
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well, Shane was in them and so,
16:41
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you know,
16:42
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they were a great band.
16:45
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I think Shane,
16:46
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like my band,
16:47
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the Millwall Shancels,
16:48
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who were like,
16:49
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we did two shows,
16:51
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no, sorry, we did seven shows in two years,
16:54
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which in itself,
16:55
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I think, was something that appealed to Shane,
16:57
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the sort of like,
16:58
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the very reasonable work rate,
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workload.
17:01
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And also the fact that we were kind of,
17:04
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we were utterly shambolic,
17:07
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but really,
17:07
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really didn't care and sort of took that
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attitude with us.
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So, you know,
17:14
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it was one of those things where you could
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say we were objectively both terrible and brilliant.
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Yes.
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You know what I mean?
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And subjectively both terrible and brilliant.
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Yeah,
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yeah.
17:28
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And he sort of saw it,
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he kind of got it.
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It was,
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I think Shane had been,
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I think, I've...
17:41
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there was a time there was a day when i was sitting around in a friend's house
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with shane and he picked up her acoustic guitar started playing paddy on the
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railway 900 miles an hour like it was a punk song i've told this
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story a million times yeah um and and i've
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what i've said many times before is that we kind of looked at each other and there was like a light bulb
18:01
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moment and i actually don't think that is really
18:04
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in fact the case it was a light bulb moment for me but i think shane had
18:08
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been knocking this idea around in his head for a bit the
18:13
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nips at this point had either i'd either come to a
18:17
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halt or in the process of coming to of seizing
18:21
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to be and um and
18:25
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And I think Shane wanted to sort of try this out on me to see
18:29
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how I reacted to it.
18:30
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Yeah.
18:30
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And,
18:31
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you know,
18:33
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I was like,
18:34
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yeah, yeah, it's fucking brilliant,
18:36
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you know.
18:37
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And we,
18:38
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basically,
18:40
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Shane,
18:41
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Shane was actually the most,
18:42
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Shane sort of never had a guitarist,
18:45
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but insofar as we did have a guitarist,
18:50
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it was Shane.
18:52
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And so we,
18:54
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as the Millwall Trainsource plus Shane,
18:56
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just got together and rehearsed.
18:59
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What happened was Shane and Ollie Watts on drama went up to Richard
19:04
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Strange,
19:05
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who'd been in that band,
19:07
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who'd been in the Doctors of Madness,
19:09
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a proto -pump band,
19:10
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sort of pub rock band from the mid -70s.
19:14
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He was running this club,
19:16
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Cabaret Futuro,
19:17
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which was just kind of very left field.
19:20
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kind of like hip,
19:21
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sort of like fashion -y,
19:23
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sort of trashy kind of place in Soho.
19:26
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And they went up to him and announced that they'd
19:30
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started this new band that played Irish rebel songs and that they
19:35
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were going to be doing a show in his club the next Saturday
19:39
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or something.
19:40
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And he said, well,
19:40
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actually, guys, I can't...
19:43
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I've got someone here then,
19:45
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but come back in a month.
19:47
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And that's what happened.
19:48
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We did a show at Cabaret Futura.
19:51
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We got ourselves the New Republicans,
19:53
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which is a sort of play on New Romantics,
19:56
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but actually more so it was a play on Newry.
20:00
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Yeah.
20:01
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Like, you know, Tom and Angela's from Newry.
20:03
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Yeah.
20:04
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Yeah.
20:05
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Sorry,
20:06
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yeah. I'm just sort of saying,
20:08
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John's never well when you have to explain it.
20:10
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But,
20:11
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yeah,
20:13
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it kind of,
20:14
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it sort of went from there.
20:15
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Jem
20:20
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was there, Jem came along and sort of thought there's something here.
20:24
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And a year and a half later or a year later,
20:26
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I got another call from Shane saying,
20:28
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oh,
20:29
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we've got a show at the Pindar of Wakefield,
20:31
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which is now the water acts on Grazing Road.
20:35
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Yeah.
20:35
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I think they did name back again.
20:38
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Okay.
20:38
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And that was that.
20:43
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Right.
20:43
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I was going to ask you about,
20:45
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I remember Shane came on the pitch at Celtic Park and he would be quite
20:49
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comfortable around,
20:50
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you know,
20:51
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the Irish diaspora.
20:52
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Again, I wanted to ask you because there was a quote I heard,
20:55
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it was Shane talking on the radio,
20:57
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it was a documentary,
20:57
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and he said...
20:59
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He said, you know,
21:00
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when the Pogues got together,
21:01
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there was a big focus on world music.
21:03
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But he said, we have the Irish subculture and diaspora right here
21:08
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and nobody's writing about it.
21:09
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And within that spider,
21:10
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you know, I kind of thought about,
21:11
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you know, my parents weren't Pogues fans.
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My older brother wasn't a Pogues fan.
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But my gran,
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I mean, she got it right from the start.
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