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Глава 1: When it comes to what your family eats and drinks, you know your choices matter. 123s · Speaker 5

When it comes to what your family eats and drinks, you know your choices matter. You're the expert because you know what fits your life. And getting it right starts with good information. That's why America's beverage companies are sharing …
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Глава 2: Welcome to Intelligence Squared. 205s · Speaker 4

Welcome to Intelligence Squared. I'm Stephanie Hare. Our guest today is Karl Oman. Welcome to Intelligence Squared, Karl. So I'm desperate to hear a little bit about your research background and how this led to the book that you wrote that …
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Глава 3: I mean, I'm relieved that this wasn't inspired by some terrible tragedy close to you. 77s · Speaker 2

I mean, I'm relieved that this wasn't inspired by some terrible tragedy close to you. It comes from a more philosophical and scholarly bent. And I think one of the things that your book prompted for me, I mean, so many questions, where to e…
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Глава 4: You know, I mean, you and I are having this conversation now in 2025. 303s · Speaker 1

You know, I mean, you and I are having this conversation now in 2025. So imagine that we fast forward to a hundred years from now, between now and then, how many people will have died and left a huge digital footprint? It sounds like, oh, w…
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Глава 5: what are future historians and social scientists going to be able to learn about our time specifically because of what you just said that stuff disappears but also things are not necessarily translated into the latest format you might have had vinyl records and you moved to cds and tapes and now you're on you know spotify but when spotify goes like you know i mean it's all we're using stuff that we think is really convenient and flexible and it exists you know in the ether but it could also just all disappear so yeah what does that mean for for future historians and and social scientists who want to understand us now in this moment that we're living in so i mean that's that's a question with many answers but uh it's a real thing that archivists are talking about what they call a digital dark ages where we think about digital information as being so secure as you're pointing out but uh but the hard truth is that in only a couple of decades from now if we continue this very short-sighted uh style of data management it's not unlikely that we'll actually or that that generation will actually be quite oblivious about their their digital past i think that is that is true but there are even more scary aspects of that my biggest fear is not necessarily that we will lose historical archives but rather that um these archives will be dominated by a handful of tech giants who are going to use them for economic but also political gain so one of one of the examples that i bring up in the book where i talk about this this privatization of of our collective digital past through our digital remains is uh former former twitter now x and the me too campaign so the me too movement was arguably one of the most important events of uh early 21st century especially when it comes to women's rights and it's a global movement with millions of testimonies from women all around the world now of course future historians are going to want to study what happened how did it spread what kind of testimonies what were people witnessing it about now that access to this very important part of our history is going to be gate kept by one individual and that individual is elon musk so elon musk is going to decide in the future who gets to study our collective digital past and that's a very like even if elon musk was a saint which he is not that would have been a very scary and an unstable development and i'm using the me too movement as an example here but any major event from the arab spring to the black lives Matter movement to, you know, I keep listing these really important events. 305s · Speaker 1

what are future historians and social scientists going to be able to learn about our time specifically because of what you just said that stuff disappears but also things are not necessarily translated into the latest format you might have …
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Глава 6: interesting solutions that lets individuals be in control of their data to a completely different extent than they are today. 195s · Speaker 1

interesting solutions that lets individuals be in control of their data to a completely different extent than they are today. And I'm all for these kinds of solutions, and they're good, and worthy, but they are not the full answer. And they…
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Глава 7: closet from my bulkier winter wardrobe to my spring and summer set of clothes, I like to take that as a moment to kind of reset. 74s · Speaker 5

closet from my bulkier winter wardrobe to my spring and summer set of clothes, I like to take that as a moment to kind of reset. And this is a great time to pare my closet down to the essentials. But that means that each of those pieces hav…
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Глава 8: LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. 77s · Speaker 3

LinkedIn is pretty amazing at helping you grow your small business. We cannot make your email response time faster. We can help you sell, market, and hire in one place. We cannot help you find space for your three desk drinks. Why do you ha…
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Глава 9: This made me think, first of all, who is this book for? 127s · Speaker 6

This made me think, first of all, who is this book for? Are you writing this as an alarm, you know, to say this is a problem that you've spotted and you would like certain people to have this on their radar and start thinking about it? Do y…
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Глава 10: So in. That is a question that will have massive impact on your peers and potentially even on your immediate family. 114s · Speaker 7

So in. That is a question that will have massive impact on your peers and potentially even on your immediate family. So one of the examples that I'm drawing on in the book is bio data. Tens of millions of people, perhaps hundreds of million…
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Глава 11: That was something that brought me up short while reading your book is, you know, the dead have no privacy rights. 117s · Speaker 1

That was something that brought me up short while reading your book is, you know, the dead have no privacy rights. And I was like, my God, that's hardcore. And I didn't know that. And I thought, is that something that you'd like to see chan…
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Глава 12: I certainly want to see more legal requirements. 60s · Speaker 2

I certainly want to see more legal requirements. I think that, like, in the GDPR, the GDPR explicitly states that your data protection rights cease upon death. And I think that it would be a good thing to include dead people. Like, not to g…
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Глава 13: And also, everybody's so uncomfortable talking about death. 84s · Speaker 1

And also, everybody's so uncomfortable talking about death. You know, most people, how many people are walking around, they don't even have a will for themselves much. Unless they're thinking about, how could my data be used? Does Mark Zuck…
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Глава 14: I think your question highlights an interesting point about the entire tech discourse, which is that it's either very short-term focused. 222s · Speaker 2

I think your question highlights an interesting point about the entire tech discourse, which is that it's either very short-term focused. It's about like what's going to be the next blockchain breakthrough or, you know, but what if AI in 10…
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Глава 15: when it comes to control of the past we've all read george orwell's 1984 and we know that whoever controls the past cont… 299s · Speaker 1

when it comes to control of the past we've all read george orwell's 1984 and we know that whoever controls the past controls the future and so forth but when this discourse was born it's as if we couldn't imagine a bigger data controller th…
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Глава 16: say to gain those advantages from studying the past but that's not the only thing involved because it's also the privacy… 116s · Speaker 2

say to gain those advantages from studying the past but that's not the only thing involved because it's also the privacy of those individuals and it's also the privacy of the individuals who are the descendants of those people so many many …
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Глава 17: we do with the data of the dead yeah it's funny because um you and i have both had times in our lives where we have been… 116s · Speaker 1

we do with the data of the dead yeah it's funny because um you and i have both had times in our lives where we have been at the university of oxford and i was just noticing that the bodleian library the head of the bodleian library uh is do…
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Глава 18: think about uh the emergence of the dead online as an anomaly we're like hang on a minute this is really weird what are the dead doing here and uh as i as i say in the concluding chapter it's really the other way around the internet is one big archive and the archives were built for the dead so the newcomers here the anomalies that's us the living it is we who have moved into a space that was originally built for the dead and now that like we realize that archives are actually for for the dead and that they start to emerge in this space we're like what that's super weird and i'm trying to flip that narrative around and say no it's it's weird that we have started living in an archive i mean i think if that was your goal you succeeded brilliantly and i can't thank you enough uh i started this book on an airplane thinking okay like going in scholarly book and i was absolutely just paging through it it's extremely readable uh it makes you think a lot and i think that this is something that if it isn't a I recall to action, you know, for problem A needs solution B, I think what you've done is you've certainly put it on the radar as this is a thing we need to think about. 182s · Speaker 2

think about uh the emergence of the dead online as an anomaly we're like hang on a minute this is really weird what are the dead doing here and uh as i as i say in the concluding chapter it's really the other way around the internet is one …
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Глава 19: Most people would rather assemble a 300-piece cabinet than search for insurance. 12s · Speaker 3

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