Allan Edwards

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Alan, grand

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sir, surviving on the east front of

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the war.

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Doing good.

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What the hell are you doing?

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What are you doing there?

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So I have the ability to work remote.

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So at the moment I'm working remote and living here

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because one,

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it's cheap and I've got a few problems with the house where

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I live in Germany.

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It's got electrical problems so you can't use the heating.

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So it's freezing.

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So it's a free

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place, and it's not close to the war zone.

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It's at least 500 kilometers away.

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So all is good here.

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What is your career?

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So I'm a mathematician,

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systems engineer for financial products,

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for derivatives.

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I see.

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I work as a freelance consultant.

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Got it.

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And yourself?

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I've been a software engineer.

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I was going to say,

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it sounds like we're both working full on.

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When is this going to end?

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This is about my

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ninth startup.

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This week is just closing,

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getting bought out.

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It's not my company,

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the company I work for.

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I'm hoping this is really going to force the end,

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but I don't know.

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So tell me,

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is Ed still alive?

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He is indeed.

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Ed worked as a surgeon

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in California for Kaiser.

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And when he retired like a year and a half ago,

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he started working for the military in Iraq.

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So he's been working on and off in Baghdad.

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And he's leaving to go back there in

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one week.

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So

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tell me,

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what's on your mind with this Dexter situation?

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You know, what's the big picture?

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I know you said your younger brother fell prey.

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What are you thinking?

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So initially,

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we had approached Todd Vincent,

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the headmaster,

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to one,

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get an apology and an admission from Dexter.

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That would go a long way to,

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let's say,

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assuaging my brother's bad feelings.

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And the second is,

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after Ed and I spoke,

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With his psychologist,

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his psychotherapist,

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he has a long list of doctors who've been trying to

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heal him.

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Very difficult to do that.

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So we're also asking Dexter for some money just

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for his psychotherapy treatment.

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But we haven't even talked about numbers yet because Dexter already...

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slammed the door shut.

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They already closed out and told us to talk to their lawyers.

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Their lawyers seemed very intransigent and they

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basically told us to go pound sand.

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What's the

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crux of the issue that you're trying to pursue?

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Is it something that you feel like they knew about for a long time and ignored

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and swept under the rug?

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Or what's the essence of the...

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sort of the claim you intend to make against them.

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Okay, so there's two things.

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One was,

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what did Dexter know and when?

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So that's the part that I'm trying to piece together with you.

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And the second is the investigation of 2013.

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You're familiar,

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are you, with the two letters of 2013?

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I think so.

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I talked to,

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I basically talked to an attorney that,

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and I don't have that guy's name at the moment.

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I might be able to dig it up.

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that I think worked for Dexter.

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And then I talked to a detective,

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I think in Brookline,

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who had chased down Paul Ferguson and told me what,

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you know,

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what the later chapters of his life had been and stuff like that.

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Okay,

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so...

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It's obviously not fresh in my mind,

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but I think that's when Dexter sent out this mea culpa letter saying,

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hey, it turned out that long ago,

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you know,

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we had...

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this predatory teacher and we're looking

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into it and sort of made a public admission.

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sort of thing.

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Exactly.

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So Dexter sent out one letter,

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the first in May of 2013,

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where they said,

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hey, if anyone knows about any teacher misbehaving

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inappropriately,

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please let us know.

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And then they didn't mention any name.

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Then the second letter they sent out on August 6th.

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They've done a thorough investigation.

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It's now in the authorities' hands and the case is closed.

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I don't think I...

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So I saw only one of those letters.

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I think it was the former.

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I'm not 100 % sure,

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but I suspect it was the first letter,

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but not the second one.

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Okay.

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So to answer your question,

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you asked two questions.

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What's my goal and what do I know about the investigation?

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Do they sweep it under the rug?

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So I've done an investigation and my feeling is

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they did indeed sweep it under the rug.

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And I'll tell you why.

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They only interviewed 18 people.

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The lawyer,

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you did speak with the lawyer,

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I believe.

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His name was Will Hannam from Schwartz.

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Schwartz Hannam?

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Yep, yep.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Yep.

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So he would have been the counsel representing Dexter.

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So it was a curious mix of how this worked.

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So Schwartz Hannam,

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there are two people,

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Sarah Schwartz and Will Hannam.

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One,

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they're both partners at the same firm.

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Two,

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they're married.

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And three,

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they're representing both Dexter and they're representing the victims.

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So this seems like a clear

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conflict of interest,

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having one firm represent both sides.

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They did that again with St.

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George's in 2016,

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and Will Hannan was fired from his role as independent

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investigator.

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once that came to light.

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So,

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a few things.

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They only interviewed 18 people.

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Now,

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Ferguson was there from 1965 to 1971.

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I calculated all the students.

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There were about 415.

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They only interviewed about 14 students.

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That's less than 3 % of the whole population

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of the student body.

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Second, they never interviewed anyone from the lower school.

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That's where my brother was,

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groomed and raped repeatedly over the last year

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until he was,

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Mr.

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F, was fired.

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And so we are,

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after my investigation,

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and you're one component of that,

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to find out the dates,

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the timing,

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after my investigation,

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it's clear that Dexter's lawyers swept it under the rug by

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limiting...

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the scope of the investigation.

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And also I found out,

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I called a number of people to see if anyone even got the letters.

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The only people who got the letters seemed to be people from the class of 1972,

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or they were on the board,

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or they were a teacher,

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or they were sons of teachers,

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or they had something to do.

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A lot of those people never got those letters.

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So it was a limited scope,

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not everyone got the letters,

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and they swept under the rug.

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That's what my feeling is.

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Okay.

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So,

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you know,

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obviously that's a million years ago.

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What I think is true is,

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so let's assume that this has been

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going on for a while.

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Wouldn't surprise me.

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I have no knowledge of when it started.

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I have,

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nobody ever admitted to me,

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although I have some suspicions.

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of one teacher that knew of it and a couple of classmates that were

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affected in my class,

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but not in earlier classes,

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in lower classes.

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But I suspect that my encounter was the

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last, because I told my dad,

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who immediately went and confronted Finney,

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and we knew Paul Ferguson's

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parents.

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because of they went to the same church that we went to and it became awkward

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really quickly.

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I didn't,

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for whatever reason,

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I did not have an extended exposure to

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this. I basically,

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I don't know how I was fortunate enough,

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but for whatever reason,

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I told my dad right away and my dad basically wanted to kill a

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guy. And instead,

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my dad did not back down from confrontation.

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As far as I know,

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I wasn't in the room when this happened,

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and I would have been a minor anyways,

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but confronted Finney.

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And that's,

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I think,

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when really quickly things happened.

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And I don't know if Ferguson was allowed to finish out

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the school year.

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I actually don't remember.

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But at that time,

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Ferguson's mom was Finney's secretary.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know.

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i have a feeling that she departed early as well but i really don't know but anyways i'm

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curious if i was at the tail end which i think you

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was in 71.

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Do you have any solid

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evidence of earlier time window when he

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molested people prior to that?

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So I have spoken to another one of our

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fellow colleagues,

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Carl Hedberg.

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Yeah,

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I know that name.

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I think Carl may have been in my class.

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Yep, he was in your class.

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He was also assaulted by Mr.

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F.

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And so what I'm trying to do is piece the dates together.

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Carl, obviously,

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this happened 50 years ago,

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hard to piece the dates together.

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But Carl basically came up with spring of 1971

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that he was molested on a Sunday.

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So he came to Dexter on a Sunday.

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Mr.

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F.

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lured him in on the pretense of going

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a golf cart riding.

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And so the Monday,

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Carl escaped,

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fortunately.

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He escaped,

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rode back home on his bicycle.

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told his parents.

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And Monday morning,

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his parents called the police and Ferguson was arrested at the

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Dexter premises.

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I don't know exactly what date that was,

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but it's sometime in the spring of 1971.

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So what I was hoping is that you could give

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me an idea of what date your father,

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was it your parents,

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both your parents or your father who approached Mr.

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Finney?

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Yeah, so I don't know the details.

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Unfortunately, both of my parents are dead.

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On a trip to Rome,

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where,

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and a couple of other cities where,

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I don't know how the hell Ferguson talked his way into it,

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but he talked his way into being able to,

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I actually,

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you know,

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and this is all confidential,

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right? I mean, this is all,

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you know.

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This is not stuff I'm comfortable sharing or talking about and really haven't

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spoken to anybody in my,

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at any great extent in the past.

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But he, I had to spend time with him during the trip in Rome.

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And that's where,

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that's where the primary activity

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occurred.

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Okay.

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And then back on campus,

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so that ended back on campus.

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He tried.

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I just eluded him all over the place.

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I never had another episode with him back

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in the States that I can recall.

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I think it was all on foreign soil.

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I don't know the date of that trip at the moment.

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Would it have been a winter vacation or a spring vacation?

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You know, I suspect it would have been,

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but we traveled to Europe for some business purposes from time to time.

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So it's also possible that it would have been during school.

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But given that Ferguson went along,

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it probably was during a vacation period at Dexter.

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Right.

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But I don't want to be honest.

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I don't know the exact timing of that.

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I don't know if I'll be able to figure that out.

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Okay, that's not such a big deal.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I was just trying to piece together how many red flags would it have taken Dexter

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

to be aware.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

And it seems that when Mr.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

F was arrested after Carl's escapade,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

that was when he was terminated.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

But when I say terminated...

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

That's really interesting to me that...

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

If that's the case,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

if my folks went and confronted Finney,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

and unless that's just incredibly coincidental,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

that he would have continued after that.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

And I don't dispute it in any way.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I just think that's amazing to me because I was under the impression that they took swift action,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

but it sounds to me like possibly not.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

You know, I think, you know,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

without going down a blind alley,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

if you've ever seen the movie Spotlight.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I have,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

yes, I have indeed.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

You know, to me,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

it's exactly the same,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

the same response.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Hey, don't make noise about it.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Nothing good will come from this.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

We'll handle it ourselves.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

We'll make sure I know what was told to my dad,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

but again, I wasn't there,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

was that we'll make sure that he can never teach again.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

You know, all the same kind of BS answer.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

So, you know,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

keep it to yourselves.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

We'll handle it.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

We'll make sure that it's handled.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

We'll make sure that they can't do it again.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

And then based on what I've heard from the detective,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Anything but that happened.

14:22

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

Exactly.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

It's not

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

clear at all.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

Normally you would have thought that they would have blacklisted him from the next...

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

position.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

That seems not to be the case.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

How do you know that

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Hannum was representing victims as well?

14:40

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I have a letter,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

an email from one of the partners at Schwartz Hannum who gave

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

me some of this information actually.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I don't think they know that because he quit the firm.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I could be wrong,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

but I think this was sort of

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

He had some disagreements with the firm,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

so I think it was a middle finger to Schwartz -Hannam where he gave me confidential

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

information without them knowing.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Yeah,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I get it.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

But anyways,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

it's not a secret that Will Hannam

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

was representing the victims because I spoke to other people.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I spoke to Glenn Dalrymple.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I spoke to about four other people who were on the

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

witness list.

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Was Glenn Dalrymple on the "witness list"?

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

He was indeed.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Him and Russ and his father.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

Was

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

Alan Prince?

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Ted Connolly?

15:39

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Sorry,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Alan Prince.

15:42

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Somebody mentioned that name to me as well.

15:44

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Something about Alan Prince?

15:45

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

He was a neighbor of mine in my class.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I have strong suspicions.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I have no way of knowing,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

but he spent a bunch of time with Ferguson.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I suspect that he was one,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

and I also think that Ted Connolly was a victim.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

And I think that Kenneth Little was the name of a teacher

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

that was aware of what was going on because he asked me very pointedly,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

but without stating

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

explicitly,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

which you could tell what his intent was,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

he asked me about the trip.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I remember all of that.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

But anyways, you know,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

none of that's particularly helpful,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

but that's interesting.

16:24

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Right, so somebody else,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

yeah, so my idea was to find out,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

okay,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

so I found out there were 18 witnesses,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

but technically they weren't witnesses at all because nobody,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I mean a witness is somebody who sees or hears something.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

The only witnesses were you and Carl.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

The others are just students who happen to go to school with you.

16:43

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Yeah,

16:44

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

I guess you could say,

16:44

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

yeah.

16:45

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

So in a real sense,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

there was no investigation of witnesses.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

They were just people.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

And, you know,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

so I went through the list.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I found out 10 of the witnesses,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

the witnesses,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

you know,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

this is not a thorough investigation

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

at all.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

It was,

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as I mentioned, it was Glenn Dalrymple, Russ Dalrymple, and their father George Dalrymple.

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I spoke to both Russ and Glenn.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

They're very helpful.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

His father,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

of course,

17:10

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Mr.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Finney, Chris Reynolds,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

yourself and Carl.

17:15

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

So anyways,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

those are.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

There was Mr.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Reid and his wife,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

that's roughly ten.

17:20

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

So this group of ten people are missing eight.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

There's really only you and Carl as

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

the witnesses,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

real witnesses.

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

And I'm the only one who was actually molested,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

it sounds like,

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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

of that.

17:35

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

It sounds like Carl was able to thwart it.

17:37

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

He thwarted,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

he escaped, yeah,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

exactly.

17:40

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Well, I mean,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

my brother too,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

of course, but that's not public knowledge

17:45

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

now, but it will be once if we go

17:50

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

forward with, I'm looking for some lawyers.

17:52

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Yeah.

17:53

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

Sorry, I noticed that you broke up there.

17:56

S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)

What is about to become public knowledge?

17:58

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

No,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

well, it might be,

18:00

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I mean, once we get lawyers,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

it won't be public,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

public, but Dexter will be aware that,

18:05

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

sorry,

18:05

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Dexter already is aware.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

that my brother was abused by Mr.

18:12

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

F.

18:12

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

Okay.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

So they'll be aware of that.

18:16

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

But we're hoping to start,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

you know,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

write a second letter to them sometime in the coming month

18:25

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

to say,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

guys, it's time you paid for his psychiatric

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

treatment because we've been paying it for the last 30 years.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

It's your turn.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

But so there are other witnesses,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

I'm sure.

18:40

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

This is the crazy thing,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

because there were 400 students,

18:44

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

and in Dexter's second letter of August,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

they say,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

at least,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

we only can confirm that at least two students had

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

inappropriate behavior,

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

at least two.

18:56

S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

So Mr.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

F worked there six years.

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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)

It's just not believable that only two students were molested.

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