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Alan, grand
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sir, surviving on the east front of
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the war.
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Doing good.
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What the hell are you doing?
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What are you doing there?
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So I have the ability to work remote.
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So at the moment I'm working remote and living here
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because one,
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it's cheap and I've got a few problems with the house where
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I live in Germany.
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It's got electrical problems so you can't use the heating.
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So it's freezing.
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So it's a free
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place, and it's not close to the war zone.
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It's at least 500 kilometers away.
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So all is good here.
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What is your career?
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So I'm a mathematician,
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systems engineer for financial products,
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for derivatives.
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I see.
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I work as a freelance consultant.
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Got it.
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And yourself?
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I've been a software engineer.
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I was going to say,
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it sounds like we're both working full on.
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When is this going to end?
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This is about my
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ninth startup.
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This week is just closing,
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getting bought out.
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It's not my company,
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the company I work for.
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I'm hoping this is really going to force the end,
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but I don't know.
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So tell me,
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is Ed still alive?
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He is indeed.
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Ed worked as a surgeon
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in California for Kaiser.
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And when he retired like a year and a half ago,
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he started working for the military in Iraq.
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So he's been working on and off in Baghdad.
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And he's leaving to go back there in
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one week.
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So
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tell me,
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what's on your mind with this Dexter situation?
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You know, what's the big picture?
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I know you said your younger brother fell prey.
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What are you thinking?
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So initially,
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we had approached Todd Vincent,
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the headmaster,
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to one,
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get an apology and an admission from Dexter.
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That would go a long way to,
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let's say,
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assuaging my brother's bad feelings.
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And the second is,
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after Ed and I spoke,
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With his psychologist,
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his psychotherapist,
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he has a long list of doctors who've been trying to
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heal him.
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Very difficult to do that.
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So we're also asking Dexter for some money just
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for his psychotherapy treatment.
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But we haven't even talked about numbers yet because Dexter already...
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slammed the door shut.
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They already closed out and told us to talk to their lawyers.
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Their lawyers seemed very intransigent and they
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basically told us to go pound sand.
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What's the
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crux of the issue that you're trying to pursue?
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Is it something that you feel like they knew about for a long time and ignored
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and swept under the rug?
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Or what's the essence of the...
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sort of the claim you intend to make against them.
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Okay, so there's two things.
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One was,
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what did Dexter know and when?
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So that's the part that I'm trying to piece together with you.
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And the second is the investigation of 2013.
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You're familiar,
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are you, with the two letters of 2013?
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I think so.
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I talked to,
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I basically talked to an attorney that,
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and I don't have that guy's name at the moment.
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I might be able to dig it up.
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that I think worked for Dexter.
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And then I talked to a detective,
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I think in Brookline,
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who had chased down Paul Ferguson and told me what,
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you know,
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what the later chapters of his life had been and stuff like that.
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Okay,
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so...
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It's obviously not fresh in my mind,
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but I think that's when Dexter sent out this mea culpa letter saying,
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hey, it turned out that long ago,
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you know,
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we had...
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this predatory teacher and we're looking
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into it and sort of made a public admission.
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sort of thing.
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Exactly.
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So Dexter sent out one letter,
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the first in May of 2013,
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where they said,
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hey, if anyone knows about any teacher misbehaving
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inappropriately,
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please let us know.
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And then they didn't mention any name.
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Then the second letter they sent out on August 6th.
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They've done a thorough investigation.
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It's now in the authorities' hands and the case is closed.
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I don't think I...
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So I saw only one of those letters.
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I think it was the former.
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I'm not 100 % sure,
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but I suspect it was the first letter,
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but not the second one.
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Okay.
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So to answer your question,
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you asked two questions.
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What's my goal and what do I know about the investigation?
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Do they sweep it under the rug?
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So I've done an investigation and my feeling is
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they did indeed sweep it under the rug.
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And I'll tell you why.
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They only interviewed 18 people.
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The lawyer,
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you did speak with the lawyer,
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I believe.
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His name was Will Hannam from Schwartz.
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Schwartz Hannam?
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Yep, yep.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Yep.
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So he would have been the counsel representing Dexter.
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So it was a curious mix of how this worked.
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So Schwartz Hannam,
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there are two people,
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Sarah Schwartz and Will Hannam.
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One,
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they're both partners at the same firm.
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Two,
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they're married.
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And three,
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they're representing both Dexter and they're representing the victims.
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So this seems like a clear
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conflict of interest,
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having one firm represent both sides.
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They did that again with St.
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George's in 2016,
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and Will Hannan was fired from his role as independent
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investigator.
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once that came to light.
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So,
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a few things.
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They only interviewed 18 people.
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Now,
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Ferguson was there from 1965 to 1971.
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I calculated all the students.
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There were about 415.
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They only interviewed about 14 students.
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That's less than 3 % of the whole population
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of the student body.
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Second, they never interviewed anyone from the lower school.
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That's where my brother was,
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groomed and raped repeatedly over the last year
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until he was,
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Mr.
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F, was fired.
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And so we are,
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after my investigation,
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and you're one component of that,
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to find out the dates,
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the timing,
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after my investigation,
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it's clear that Dexter's lawyers swept it under the rug by
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limiting...
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the scope of the investigation.
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And also I found out,
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I called a number of people to see if anyone even got the letters.
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The only people who got the letters seemed to be people from the class of 1972,
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or they were on the board,
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or they were a teacher,
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or they were sons of teachers,
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or they had something to do.
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A lot of those people never got those letters.
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So it was a limited scope,
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not everyone got the letters,
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and they swept under the rug.
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That's what my feeling is.
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Okay.
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So,
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you know,
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obviously that's a million years ago.
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What I think is true is,
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so let's assume that this has been
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going on for a while.
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Wouldn't surprise me.
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I have no knowledge of when it started.
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I have,
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nobody ever admitted to me,
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although I have some suspicions.
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of one teacher that knew of it and a couple of classmates that were
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affected in my class,
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but not in earlier classes,
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in lower classes.
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But I suspect that my encounter was the
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last, because I told my dad,
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who immediately went and confronted Finney,
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and we knew Paul Ferguson's
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parents.
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because of they went to the same church that we went to and it became awkward
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really quickly.
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I didn't,
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for whatever reason,
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I did not have an extended exposure to
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this. I basically,
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I don't know how I was fortunate enough,
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but for whatever reason,
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I told my dad right away and my dad basically wanted to kill a
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guy. And instead,
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my dad did not back down from confrontation.
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As far as I know,
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I wasn't in the room when this happened,
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and I would have been a minor anyways,
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but confronted Finney.
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And that's,
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I think,
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when really quickly things happened.
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And I don't know if Ferguson was allowed to finish out
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the school year.
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I actually don't remember.
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But at that time,
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Ferguson's mom was Finney's secretary.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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And I don't know.
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i have a feeling that she departed early as well but i really don't know but anyways i'm
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curious if i was at the tail end which i think you
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was in 71.
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Do you have any solid
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evidence of earlier time window when he
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molested people prior to that?
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So I have spoken to another one of our
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fellow colleagues,
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Carl Hedberg.
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Yeah,
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I know that name.
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I think Carl may have been in my class.
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Yep, he was in your class.
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He was also assaulted by Mr.
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F.
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And so what I'm trying to do is piece the dates together.
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Carl, obviously,
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this happened 50 years ago,
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hard to piece the dates together.
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But Carl basically came up with spring of 1971
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that he was molested on a Sunday.
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So he came to Dexter on a Sunday.
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Mr.
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F.
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lured him in on the pretense of going
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a golf cart riding.
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And so the Monday,
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Carl escaped,
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fortunately.
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He escaped,
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rode back home on his bicycle.
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told his parents.
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And Monday morning,
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his parents called the police and Ferguson was arrested at the
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Dexter premises.
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I don't know exactly what date that was,
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but it's sometime in the spring of 1971.
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So what I was hoping is that you could give
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me an idea of what date your father,
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was it your parents,
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both your parents or your father who approached Mr.
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Finney?
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Yeah, so I don't know the details.
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Unfortunately, both of my parents are dead.
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On a trip to Rome,
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where,
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and a couple of other cities where,
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I don't know how the hell Ferguson talked his way into it,
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but he talked his way into being able to,
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I actually,
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you know,
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and this is all confidential,
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right? I mean, this is all,
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you know.
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This is not stuff I'm comfortable sharing or talking about and really haven't
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spoken to anybody in my,
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at any great extent in the past.
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But he, I had to spend time with him during the trip in Rome.
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And that's where,
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that's where the primary activity
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occurred.
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Okay.
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And then back on campus,
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so that ended back on campus.
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He tried.
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I just eluded him all over the place.
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I never had another episode with him back
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in the States that I can recall.
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I think it was all on foreign soil.
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I don't know the date of that trip at the moment.
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Would it have been a winter vacation or a spring vacation?
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You know, I suspect it would have been,
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but we traveled to Europe for some business purposes from time to time.
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So it's also possible that it would have been during school.
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But given that Ferguson went along,
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it probably was during a vacation period at Dexter.
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Right.
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But I don't want to be honest.
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I don't know the exact timing of that.
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I don't know if I'll be able to figure that out.
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
Okay, that's not such a big deal.
13:01
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I was just trying to piece together how many red flags would it have taken Dexter
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
to be aware.
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
And it seems that when Mr.
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
F was arrested after Carl's escapade,
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
that was when he was terminated.
13:17
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
But when I say terminated...
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
That's really interesting to me that...
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
If that's the case,
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if my folks went and confronted Finney,
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and unless that's just incredibly coincidental,
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that he would have continued after that.
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And I don't dispute it in any way.
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I just think that's amazing to me because I was under the impression that they took swift action,
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but it sounds to me like possibly not.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
You know, I think, you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
without going down a blind alley,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
if you've ever seen the movie Spotlight.
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I have,
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
yes, I have indeed.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
You know, to me,
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it's exactly the same,
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the same response.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Hey, don't make noise about it.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Nothing good will come from this.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
We'll handle it ourselves.
13:59
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
We'll make sure I know what was told to my dad,
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but again, I wasn't there,
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was that we'll make sure that he can never teach again.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
You know, all the same kind of BS answer.
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So, you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
keep it to yourselves.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
We'll handle it.
14:13
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
We'll make sure that it's handled.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
We'll make sure that they can't do it again.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
And then based on what I've heard from the detective,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Anything but that happened.
14:22
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
Exactly.
14:22
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
It's not
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clear at all.
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
Normally you would have thought that they would have blacklisted him from the next...
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position.
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
That seems not to be the case.
14:34
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
How do you know that
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Hannum was representing victims as well?
14:40
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I have a letter,
14:44
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
an email from one of the partners at Schwartz Hannum who gave
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
me some of this information actually.
14:51
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I don't think they know that because he quit the firm.
14:54
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I could be wrong,
14:58
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
but I think this was sort of
15:00
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
He had some disagreements with the firm,
15:01
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
so I think it was a middle finger to Schwartz -Hannam where he gave me confidential
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
information without them knowing.
15:08
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Yeah,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
I get it.
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But anyways,
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it's not a secret that Will Hannam
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was representing the victims because I spoke to other people.
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I spoke to Glenn Dalrymple.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
I spoke to about four other people who were on the
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
witness list.
15:28
Was Glenn Dalrymple on the "witness list"?
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
He was indeed.
15:29
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Him and Russ and his father.
15:31
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
Was
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Alan Prince?
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Ted Connolly?
15:39
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Sorry,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Alan Prince.
15:42
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Somebody mentioned that name to me as well.
15:44
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Something about Alan Prince?
15:45
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
He was a neighbor of mine in my class.
15:48
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I have strong suspicions.
15:49
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I have no way of knowing,
15:50
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
but he spent a bunch of time with Ferguson.
15:52
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I suspect that he was one,
15:55
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and I also think that Ted Connolly was a victim.
15:59
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And I think that Kenneth Little was the name of a teacher
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that was aware of what was going on because he asked me very pointedly,
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
but without stating
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
explicitly,
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
which you could tell what his intent was,
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he asked me about the trip.
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I remember all of that.
16:18
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But anyways, you know,
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
none of that's particularly helpful,
16:21
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
but that's interesting.
16:24
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Right, so somebody else,
16:26
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
yeah, so my idea was to find out,
16:28
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
okay,
16:29
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
so I found out there were 18 witnesses,
16:31
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
but technically they weren't witnesses at all because nobody,
16:34
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
I mean a witness is somebody who sees or hears something.
16:37
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
The only witnesses were you and Carl.
16:39
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
The others are just students who happen to go to school with you.
16:43
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Yeah,
16:44
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
I guess you could say,
16:44
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
yeah.
16:45
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
So in a real sense,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
there was no investigation of witnesses.
16:49
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
They were just people.
16:50
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
And, you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
so I went through the list.
16:52
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
I found out 10 of the witnesses,
16:54
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the witnesses,
16:55
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
this is not a thorough investigation
17:01
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
at all.
17:02
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
It was,
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as I mentioned, it was Glenn Dalrymple, Russ Dalrymple, and their father George Dalrymple.
17:06
I spoke to both Russ and Glenn.
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
They're very helpful.
17:07
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
His father,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
of course,
17:10
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Mr.
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Finney, Chris Reynolds,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
yourself and Carl.
17:15
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
So anyways,
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those are.
17:18
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
There was Mr.
17:19
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Reid and his wife,
17:19
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
that's roughly ten.
17:20
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
So this group of ten people are missing eight.
17:24
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
There's really only you and Carl as
17:28
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
the witnesses,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
real witnesses.
17:31
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
And I'm the only one who was actually molested,
17:34
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
it sounds like,
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S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
of that.
17:35
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
It sounds like Carl was able to thwart it.
17:37
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
He thwarted,
17:38
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
he escaped, yeah,
17:39
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
exactly.
17:40
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Well, I mean,
17:41
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
my brother too,
17:41
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
of course, but that's not public knowledge
17:45
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
now, but it will be once if we go
17:50
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
forward with, I'm looking for some lawyers.
17:52
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Yeah.
17:53
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
Sorry, I noticed that you broke up there.
17:56
S… Speaker 2 (Allan Edwards)
What is about to become public knowledge?
17:58
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
No,
17:59
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
well, it might be,
18:00
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
I mean, once we get lawyers,
18:01
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
it won't be public,
18:02
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
public, but Dexter will be aware that,
18:05
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
sorry,
18:05
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Dexter already is aware.
18:07
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
that my brother was abused by Mr.
18:12
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
F.
18:12
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
Okay.
18:13
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
So they'll be aware of that.
18:16
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
But we're hoping to start,
18:18
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
you know,
18:20
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
write a second letter to them sometime in the coming month
18:25
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to say,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
guys, it's time you paid for his psychiatric
18:32
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treatment because we've been paying it for the last 30 years.
18:36
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
It's your turn.
18:38
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
But so there are other witnesses,
18:40
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
I'm sure.
18:40
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
This is the crazy thing,
18:43
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
because there were 400 students,
18:44
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
and in Dexter's second letter of August,
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S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
they say,
18:49
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
at least,
18:50
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
we only can confirm that at least two students had
18:54
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
inappropriate behavior,
18:56
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
at least two.
18:56
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
So Mr.
18:59
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
F worked there six years.
19:01
S… Speaker 1 (Allan Edwards)
It's just not believable that only two students were molested.

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