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I didn't know this at the time,

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but the best way,

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I mean, if you are running this election and you're not successful,

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if you really want this job and you really feel driven by it,

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the best way to do is to commit yourself to the following four years to

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really making an effort to get out there.

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Get out there with no other purpose other than just getting out there.

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Because that,

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frankly, is why all of us are,

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hopefully,

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in this job in the end.

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But I think if you have the opportunity to do that,

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going back in time,

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that was by far the most valuable thing that happened in the first election,

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the second election,

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the third election,

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I think I've done four now,

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fourth election,

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and now this election.

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It's just still the most important thing in the municipal politics.

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Council Member,

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let's say a question.

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What's changed?

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What's changed?

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Sorry,

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what's one lesson?

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Well, the first lesson that it turned into was I gave way to the auction.

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I was not expecting that because almost everybody

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was like,

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oh, I'm not sure.

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You know,

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I'm the one who gains stuff.

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You think you're walking it off because,

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you know, before you get into it.

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How much,

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if there are

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people, it

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just takes over your life.

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And that was something that I was not.

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What's

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the difference that you find larger urban center

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and running in a smaller day?

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So St.

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John's is a capital city and of course it's my biggest

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by far.

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That's

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the public.

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Exactly.

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So this

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time last year,

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what

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school I went to,

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you know,

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what campus.

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It can be a place where you can use to almost put out a quasi -press release by

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putting out a statement.

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And I'll tell you one quick

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story.

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Show

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a little bit of your personality.

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My staff actually brought me into my office

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as though I was about to,

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like, intervention.

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They sat me down and myself said,

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like, Josh,

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we need to talk with you.

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And they all sat down with me.

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And I just thought,

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like, what trouble they had?

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They said that they'd

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seen me on how to

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do that, these sports samples.

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They just thought this was just like a really bad look for me.

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You were never allowed to wear sandals.

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So

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instead of just sort of back to

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the announcement scandal,

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this sandal gate on Twitter.

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Whereas the breakfast television caught on the

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next morning about whether or not I should protect

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yourself.

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So,

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you

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know, started out in this is the villain binary.

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That is the problem,

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by the way, I flip her X or whatever

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it's called now, is that it's really hard to condense a complicated change

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in that few characters.

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What's really important with new candidates is don't

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promise things you can't deliver and don't diminish the complexities

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of issues that you are having to deal with.

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The person that comes in and says,

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well, I want to lower your taxes.

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Well, you're not.

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I mean,

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it's not going to happen.

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And stop saying that to people because it's not true.

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I mean, I'm trying to resist the urge of going on some of my own rants,

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you know,

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municipal finance,

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but the reality of this day is things are going up in price.

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Things that have been downloaded from the province are significantly costing us

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municipalities a lot of money.

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And,

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you know, taxes can be managed and tax rates can be managed,

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but the taxes are not going to go down.

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unless you're willing to cut services.

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So do your homework.

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Make sure that you really do the best that you can to research the issues

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that you're talking about before you say something that really is not realistically

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you're able to deliver because that's

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the kind of thing that ends up giving the entire profession of politics

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a bad name and it really turns voters off and that's one of the reasons I

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think that we see

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The municipal level of politics,

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which should be 100 % voter turnout,

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and it's not helpful,

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and if we're in this to try to make our communities better,

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we need to have honest conversations with our residents and

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how we're going to be able to figure it out.

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On that note,

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have you ever had to take a politically risky decision that you

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knew was going to cost you,

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but you believed was right?

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We do that every day.

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There are difficult decisions that have to be made by politicians.

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Again,

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I'm doing my best not to go on my rant.

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But the number of financial challenges that cities are facing

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right now make it even more difficult.

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We are trying to do more with less,

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and I'm on an increasingly aggressive task base.

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And so,

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as politicians,

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you know,

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we're trying to make the very best decisions to make our community stronger,

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but we just don't have all of the resources at our disposal to do

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it. And in fairness,

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we never did,

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but now we have even less because the finances that we are

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operating with in larger cities are more strained

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than we've ever done.

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Counselor,

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same question.

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Do you find the difference between campaigning and between governing?

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Yes,

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and I think there's a famous line between every campaign and government

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role.

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So I think campaigns are all about dreams and selling

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a dream, which is the reality of what politicians do.

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And governing is about the distance between what

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you can do and what you promise,

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right?

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and how we negotiate that.

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And you realize very quickly that you're governing,

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is it's always,

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you know,

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government is,

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if I had to say what government is in one line,

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it's about making difficult choices.

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There's always trade -offs.

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You know, when somebody says,

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we're making this service free,

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it means someone is paying for it elsewhere.

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We just don't talk about it.

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And one of the things that my pen,

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is, as politicians,

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we do these surveys where we'll say,

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do you want this?

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Do you want that?

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But we never put a price.

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So if I was to say,

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do you want enhanced mail clearing?

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Almost everybody in this room will say yes.

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But if I was to say,

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do you want enhanced mail clearing?

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But your property taxes will go up $150 a year.

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Maybe some of you will say yes,

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but some of you may not.

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And I think it's dishonest when we campaign to

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just ask these people.

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for a bunch of time.

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You know, the city will go survey and they'll say,

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oh, and our residents want this and this and this,

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but did you tell them how much their taxes would go up?

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Because that's when we really get upon some people.

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So it's that transparency that's missing and that's different.

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Governing.

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The

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governing version of the campaign,

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what's the difference?

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Yeah,

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it's been interesting these past eight months.

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I've learned a lot about governing,

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obviously,

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in which I got very comfortable.

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For me, it's kind of like looking at a menu versus looking at a recipe.

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Like, oh, I want this on the menu,

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but I have no clue how to make it.

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And then once you actually get the recipe,

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it's like, oh, actually,

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I don't have those ingredients.

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I can't afford those ingredients.

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Or the oven's broken.

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Or there's so many different variables I can go wrong.

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And I think for me,

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that's been the biggest difference between candy and governing is that you get a better understanding

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of how decisions are made,

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how complex they can be.

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and working within our resources.

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And I echo Mayor West's comments about what we've

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got,

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but it's still never going to be enough,

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right?

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And being able to give that to the public when there's,

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you know, expectations are increasing.

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And we had the most snow ever

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this year in St.

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John's Newfoundland at almost 400 centimeters.

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And we have a great snow program.

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What I tend to find covering provincial

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politics versus municipal politics is that once you win,

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provincial politics

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There is always a consensus amongst the parties.

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It's always the big news story when someone breaks rank with the Premier,

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you know.

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Member of caucus quits because they have to do some disagreement with Premier Ford

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over whatever.

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Or someone walks across the floor.

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But in municipal politics,

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it's always interesting that covering municipal politics,

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there's always division.

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There's never clear consensus.

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I covered the mayoral race in Mississauga,

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and I will say that because the most brutal campaign I have ever covered in my life.

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It was...

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And so I will ask why

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you are elected to manage to find consensus when

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your council is so divided.

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And I'm going to start with Mississauga Voice here because we have a very divided

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council in this city right now.

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It's the let's be put

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because division isn't automatically because you

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want diverse dependence.

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So it's a matter of...

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Are you positioning it as division or are you

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positioning it as a different viewpoint?

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And that's really important because I think the resonance will end when

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you don't have room thick.

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So I think we have to be careful how we position it.

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I'm not certain that the societal council is always divided,

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but what I will say is that I think the societal council has voices

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with very different views.

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And I think that distinction is important.

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I think the second part is,

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how do you then compromise and come to a resolution

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that is in the best interest?

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And I think the follow -up always

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as well.

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If you have divided voices,

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then how do you come to a resolution?

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Or how do you bring allies to your side?

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And I think the left at all this point is not about

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the fact that the

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best way to have the most honest conversation at City Hall is to

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fill City Hall.

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Because the tenor of the conversation is very different if

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City Hall has 200 people,

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200 voters watching what you're saying versus the tenor

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of anything.

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is a part of democracy.

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Perspectives is a very valuable thing and there's

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always something to be learned from that.

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From the little division that we have had,

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I think that having all the facts and having all the same information

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and making sure we're kind of starting from the same point is really really important and

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using the tools we have to get there.

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So, you know,

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we have staff,

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we're exceptional on the jobs,

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we're able to help us understand these more techniques.

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And starting from that point and going from there.

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But again, I agree with you.

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It is part of democracy,

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and I think that,

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again,

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there's a difference between division and a different respectful

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order debate and understand each other.

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That's

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part of the game,

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I think.

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Toronto's different in that there's more clear

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ideological divide.

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You sometimes have councillors who are actively camping

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as they are city councillors.

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So I'm curious,

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how do you navigate that?

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I mentioned earlier how...

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Having a daughter changed my perspective on many things.

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I think it helped me mature as a person and as a politician.

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And I will hear Molly come home from school.

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She's in seventh grade.

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And she'll talk about all this drama going on.

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This gossip and people hurting each other and upsetting each other.

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The bullying and the things.

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The competition about various things.

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Whether it be boys or whatever.

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And this is not disorder to what I think

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you can pronounce.

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You

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know, upsetting each other.

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hold grudges for years.

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And I think it's really important to kind of,

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if you're self -reflective,

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to kind of step back for a moment.

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Trying to figure

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out our own lives and our community's lives and find out the best way

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to do things.

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And we're going to have disagreements.

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Disagreement is,

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if we don't have disagreement,

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we don't know how we should embrace things.

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I realize you

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don't

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have to be enemies or opponents.

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So what I've

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learned to do over the years,

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and I wasn't as good as I am today,

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I believe.

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And I find that...

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I've taken that approach.

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I can work with Olivia Chow one day,

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I can work with Brad Ratt for the next.

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I can work with different counselors from different ideologies

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or partisanship.

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And frankly,

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if we agree on something,

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just put the personal stuff aside and get that done.

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And I'll add one more thing.

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I've even found with people that,

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like, some of you may know that John Torrey and I once in a while have disagreed.

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Really?

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Once in a while.

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But we've also found...

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Beyond that,

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where we'll talk about

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it afterwards.

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That

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is really important.

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After

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the last term,

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how embarrassing.

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The very first thing I did after that,

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and a lot of the,

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we had a significant change.

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Every single member of council before

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the inaugural,

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we were all

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working for this.

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The very first thing we did was sign together,

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not taking things.

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And in this term of council,

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we have had tons of very lively debates,

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but never have we tried.

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And it's been the majority of

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decisions.

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The decisions that we made are unanimous,

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but sometimes it was only

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before council meetings,

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after council meetings,

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during council meetings,

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that brings us to that consensus.

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The strong manner comment I made earlier,

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there's never,

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I don't believe that any of my council members feel that if they disagree with me,

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I'm going to somehow bring down the mood.

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because that's just not the way we promised to operate and that's not the way we've been operating.

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And I'm really proud of that.

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I'm very proud of the council that we have right now.

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I'm proud of each individual member of council and the work that they've done.

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And it's all been different.

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They all think differently.

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And as I said earlier,

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that's really great when we should not have...

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the bigger issues that we deal with sale through the council without any

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sort of diverse opinion on it because you know there have

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been a few times this year where I was quite sure going to the council meeting I was right.

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Some things were said,

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I changed my viewpoint and made,

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you know, do you foresee a situation where you're going to use your storm here?

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In this term of council,

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I think it's not necessary.

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And by the way,

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there's a very specific

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way you're supposed to use a strong air powers.

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I mean, I've actually seen the strong air powers use them at least twice to get

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mess hazard,

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which is exactly the opposite of what it was supposed to be.

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But the strong air powers is not this universal

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tool that you use to override your hands,

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but that's not the way it works.

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Again, I really think that it's sitting down with members of council.

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You know, later in the day,

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Mary Ann B.

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Ward, the mayor of Burlington,

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who had a great deal of admiration.

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I think she's here right now,

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so I can say that.

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But she's going to talk about the electrospection.

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we've been dealing with in the Ontario big city leaders.

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It is an important thing for new candidates

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or candidates who have been around for a long time to understand that it is

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all about respect.

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It's respecting the constituents,

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it's respecting the colleagues,

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and it's respecting the staff.

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And that's really,

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really important,

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I think, in getting the consensus that the question is all about.

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All right.

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We have five minutes,

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so I wanted to do a quick rapid -fire round.

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So this is one -word answers,

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not one at the back.

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Okay, so let's learn how fill -in -the -blank municipal politics is.

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I think it's underappreciated.

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Meaningful.

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Yeah,

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on the ground.

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What is your illiterate?

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Happy

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drinks, inviting friends and family,

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and supporters, and waiting for them.

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I went on a hike on the East Coast Trail in the morning to kind of...

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It's the one question I'll allow.

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For me,

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I don't know what that actually means.

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They always say,

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go get your hair down.

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I'm like, I can't.

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I'm too stressed.

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So I'm just tired of being guilty.

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We end up celebrating with our supporters

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and community and go and recognize and acknowledge everyone who did all the work.

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But before we arrive at where that location is,

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my family and I just nervously like sit on the sofa with our hands and watch the results.

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It's thinking about accelerating

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the team that got me there.

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Because really at the end of the day,

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that's what it's all about on that particular moment.

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And then as soon as that party is over,

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then I start stressing about how we're going to get all these stupid signs down.

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Speaking of signs,

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that's the next question,

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and we'll go this way.

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Campaign signs,

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overrated or underrated?

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They're important,

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but we actually passed a by -law recently in which we know

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to make, to allow less spaces for

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them to meet.

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and my rationale for doing that was it actually makes it easier for first time

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because signs are so expensive and it reduces the amount

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that we all have to pay for signs and so

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i think they're useful but they're not as useful as they've been in the past it depends

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where in the city i'd say um overrated downtown but they

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are definitely the sign wars and scarborough fields

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That's my position.

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That's nice.

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I think they take up too much energy and oxygen.

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Obviously,

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the candidates spend half the time debating issues and

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putting out a platform that's made on the sand

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wars.

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It's a distraction.

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The wind and rain.

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All

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right, in 30 seconds,

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I want folks

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here to run.

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It's all

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the love and feel that you,

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in your heart,

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make the difference that you want to make in your community.

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If there's any other reason for running,

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don't.

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I think that's really important.

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