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0:12

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

And then the way I work when a casualty happens, I always imagine the worst scenario out of course, so I like to be prepared for the worst, I hope for the best, but very often you will see from me a list of the questions and for the bigger cases, like in this case the vessel was this thing.

0:29

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

The first thing that came to my mind is that you need to have a joint phone call with the owners. They talk about the team, their management team, so that we can organize with the people. I always consider myself, I never looked at myself as an insurer or broker, but I always look at myself as an extension of your team. And I always say, use me the way you want to use me.

0:57

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

I will always tell you the truth and what I think, so I will never roll it in glitter or pink colors. I will tell you what does it really mean and then we can all find solution. And just incidentally, the same morning that we had the vessel sink in Thailand, we had a vessel run aground in Ust Luga in Russia. It's still there.

1:21

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

That's another matter that's also being going on in the background. We had two major casualties on... Is she still aground? No, she's refloated, but she's still there. We're still arguing about what to do next. Was there any ice? Or are we looking different? No, it was ice. Is she still stuck in ice? No, no, she's... If you compare to Russia, you can pick up a bit of cargoes with the right certification, but if anything happens, it's like that.

1:53

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

It took two or three months to even agree a contract with a state sample. They just started off by saying we want 20% of values. We don't know if it's going to take one hour a month. We don't know what technique you're going to use. They don't care. They just have this headline figure, which is minimum 20% of value. It's a nightmare. It really is. And the ability of the insurers to help you is really, really difficult. You may get more freight down there.

2:21

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

it comes with a big big help yeah great for us to come back tim do you want to give a little update of where yeah but since you mentioned that the region like how cautious uh we have to be if we uh if we reach a certain threshold i mean

2:47

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

fairness to that area, are you like absolutely not? No, I think we're just talking Russia here, really. The Russian cause, a lot of our country plants are picking down the throat of the fertilizer and that kind of perfectly legitimate legal garbage. Tim does the sanctions side of things in the West, so he sees all sorts of sign-offs. It's a non-deligable duty, so you have to do your own due diligence.

3:09

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

and the insurers will do theirs. They won't just do it for you. Well, the insurances, that's fine, but it's a minefield. Just to answer your question generally, there is no geographical restriction on you going to Russia. You can go to Russia. We have a lot of members who... From P&I. Yeah, from P&I. From P&I, you can go to Russia. We have a lot of members who go to Russia.

3:32

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

Just so long as you're carrying a non-sanctioned cargo and you're not dealing with sanctioned parties, then that's all right. As we said, the only problem is if something happens in Russia. If you have a minor contact with the DOC, you have to put cash to the DOC. They don't take LOUs anymore. You might take an LOU, you have to issue an LOU, because most of them are sanctioned, then it's four days for a minor damage by the upfront. How do you pay money there as well? It's just very difficult.

4:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

We find these usually arranged through the channels. So we are actually reading on time here. Shall we talk about the fact that you are hard? No.

4:32

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

He has some questions, it will take about 10 minutes, let him finish then I will come to the point.

5:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

whether we should report to some areas, especially Oman, the southernmost state, the Salalah and the middle part of Tukum, and the upper two is Sohor and some other. So in those cases, it appears that it takes the club a while to send out that. I know there is a issue of time zones,

5:31

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

but could it be made a little bit more quicker?

5:59

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

The position these days you can understand we're getting

6:02

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

very very very frequent inquiries from all sorts of members including can we trade here should we trade there what should we be asking for can we refuse to trade there there are two or three different issues the first one we are being faced with is the legal point we are often being asked by members can we refuse to go through we're stuck either north or south what is the position these areas kept us busy the last month

6:43

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

and raise various questions whether we should go, don't go, prove on us. If they go, then prove on us. How much is the prove on us?

6:57

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

one month before when Fujairah was being drawn. So that also raised a lot of uncertainties. So in those cases, it takes a while, obviously it's a very risky business, but I think it takes a while for the club to come back to us.

7:24

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

let me answer that first of all if you come to the club and say you know can we go there or we can't tell you that it's not for us to say it's a commercial decision for the owner what we can say to owners or members is we can give them either one of the intelligence reports which we receive every day

7:56

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

We can tell you that this is the current position. We can, if necessary, go to the local correspondents but of course they're being asked all these questions all the time so they don't always necessarily come back and give us a prompt answer.

8:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

But all we can say as a club is ultimately whether you want to go there, here is the information. Is it covered? Yes. I mean, you don't have a geographical restriction on your P&I cover. In other words, we don't say you can't go to a war risk zone, you can't go to Russia, you can't go to Iran. You can go to these countries, but it's a commercial risk on you.

8:38

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

And the owners have to take all the information they get, whether it's from the club, whether it's from the underwriters or so on, and make a decision as to whether they go there. Now, I don't know about additional premiums and that. It's not something first. Now, the point I understand, you're concerned that we're slow at answering. No, it's slow. It's slow, per se. But maybe we could... I think we had three calls. We had Zaid Jahan. We had...

9:08

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

That was called... We had Jahan. We had three vessels going in there. We had a couple of calls. We had Stella on the call. I'm not sure whether you were on the call or not. And we got Charlie Young involved. He was really, really good. I think the difficulty here is how I want to... You know, we work for you, you know that. But we work closely with these guys. We don't fall out of them. When we had the first phone calls after the initial wave of attacks, obviously we were looking for charge of our position. And I think it was combat time.

9:39

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

in there the master's time to make the decision and he's got to use his best judgment on what he knows what was clear in the position and i think it was pretty pretty much straight away completely that it was perfectly reasonable for you not to go in over there when we had the same issues with russia

10:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

four years ago much much more difficult decision because a lot of vessels were going in and out there without any issues at all this was a war going on and i think charlie was quite quick to respond yeah i think the initial gathering of the position is going to take four or five hours because there's a charter pilot to come in there's your communication to the chargers there's understanding what the charges orders are there's their own risk assessment of what's happening and there's obviously evaluating that

10:35

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

So can you give us an idea about how it might change or how is the virus premiere might change? Yes, it has changed actually. They introduced new virus areas.

10:53

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I'm not sure whether it was prior to the 11th of March or not, but they've extended the area quite some distance. We've seen professors within the Gulf there coming out through the Strait of World News. At one time, the rate was 10% of value.

11:16

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

we've seen other rates coming down to around five percent at the moment we're seeing rates of around two to three percent but we haven't quoted anything in the last 24 hours we had a vessel the bsc vessels due to come out one of the conditions precedent now on the insurance you have to have the usual a contact with the uk mto which is piracy you have to have

11:39

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

preparedness, extra crew briefings and all of the usual other requirements. But the other one, which is new, is there is now a new conditional precedent, which is that, I'll read out the exact words, but essentially it's a consultation phase of what's going on. And the exact words now are conditional precedent to ensure its liabilities.

12:07

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

that VHF communications from threat actors with instructions to cease the voyage or about turn must be adhered to. And this is all to do with making contact with the IRGC or the arrangement. Can we come through getting that permission? I think the BSC one was put on Facebook when she had a copy with me. Permission to deny. Simple two words, actually. And they tried again on Friday or Saturday night that the BSC vessel would come out again.

12:37

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

That's a condition classic, which means that if you don't comply with that, you don't have any insurance in place. Otherwise, it's very alive to the fact that the Iranians are communicating with these vessels and are either saying, yes, you may proceed, or no, you may not. If they say, no, you may not, you cannot avoid them.

12:57

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

is just given by one part of authorities that's what has happened yesterday so vessels trying to proceed having received an okay local Iranian did they say they got one yesterday yeah yeah they they they they got their permission to proceed but then reportedly they were actually not allowed to proceed so the vessels have been again there is a there is a market for it um rates possibly two or three percent

13:26

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

at the end of last week, you need to check where they are now. They all have to be validated within 24 hours of your passage. So even if we gave you a price today on Wednesday lunchtime, if you were going in on Friday, we'd have to revalidate that tomorrow. So, I mean, you may be engaging with some risk parameters? Absolutely. There's a host of... I'll share with you the... so you're aware of what they said on another account.

13:58

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

But it's very similar in terms of the restrictions, you know, the expectations on the airmen, really. Because we have certain vessels trying to make a run for it. We were involved with the entire vessel that was hit. You saw it in Mayuri Nareen. Mayuri Nareen. Mayuri Nareen. And what have you done for the pressures shipping up a few years ago? Can you go and talk to them? Oh, no. It didn't materialize. Yeah. But that's one of their vessels. That was a month into my land that's joining us. And just to understand it, from a PI perspective,

14:31

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

P&I covers your vessels whilst they're in there. So if you have an accident, a slip, or a pollution, or a cargo issue, that's all covered, even though it's in the war as chaos. What isn't covered is war risks. So if anything happens that relates or is caused by the war, P&I has a total exclusion. So unlike piracy, where P&I is still covering your libelities to the crew, and I think it's a war excluded.

15:00

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

and the Warris Hull policy is extended to cover the PNI liabilities that would be covered by the club if there was not a Warris exclusion. So the Hull underwriters pay for the loss of the vessel, but they also pay for the recatuation of the group, they pay for compensation under a group contract, they pay for the loss of the vessel, they pay any trauma, any medical treatment required.

15:25

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

So that's all rolled into the power of war policy, essentially for nothing. I think you get a situation like what we've had in Russian Gulf, you know, for other islands to suddenly realise that, okay, this guy was worth $10 million. But we can also have another $10 million in BNI.

15:51

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

pollution and if it goes above your insured value which is rolled into the whole policy then goes back to your traditional pni so for yourselves if you had 20 million dollar vessel you would have 20 million dollars on the whole policy

16:08

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

And if your P&I had a removal of wreck and pollution was $30 million, we would go back to the west for these surpluses above the second 1.20. So they have an exposure much higher up. Over the mission value of the ship. But just coming back to your original question, so I think we're looking at a different scenario now. When it all kicked off, it was all a bit uncertain. The question now is whether you go through the Straits of Hormons or not. And that's a legal point.

16:36

S… Speaker 6 (Recording_155)

In other words, under your charter boxes.

16:43

S… Speaker 5 (Recording_155)

I'll just come into that. So the primary one is where they go through the Straits of Humors, and that to me would be a legal point. The second area is you're looking at Yemen, Oman, and places south of Fujairah, which to me, I'm not talking for Western India, it seems less risky. There seems to me to be less of a chance of the vessel having a problem, Yemen, Oman, south of Fujairah.

17:08

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

And Red Sea. Our vessel was going towards Jaira and there was a... Yes. In the initial... Correct. One of our vessels were planning to go to Salala and there was an attack the next day. That was absolutely right. The vessel remains on higher.

17:41

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

but your concern was that we were a bit slower not slower actually I mean my guys were deeply with those and there was one particular case where the correspondence was made through Dubai I mean maybe it would have been a little bit

18:05

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

Big, yeah.

18:25

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I have already shared this one. I have also shared the whole thing. So this is the item. If you want to take it, you can take it or you can leave it, no problem. So this is the... So in case there is something you have to look into this, you can follow it. There's a couple of questions you want to ask.

18:54

S… Speaker 5 (Recording_155)

I had a quick look. And these are primarily a people team. You know in Western England we have... We have Kay and Helen and Chris. So these are people teams. So I sent this over to Chris the other night and he's had a quick look through it.

19:13

S… Speaker 5 (Recording_155)

He said generally it's in order. I've got to sit down with him. I said I'll go back and we'll sit down together. The only two issues I just wanted to raise were the claim for payments of crew salaries in general during the period. You've got these two here at night. Yes, thank you, thank you. Now, the general payment of crew, even though it's a piracy or it might be a war, isn't actually a club-covered matter.

19:42

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

Fine, if it is not there, you just disregard. This is what you've paid out. I've paid out, correct. And also, this is more or less similar to what we had in 2010.

20:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

And I shared that Christian, somebody also shared.

20:05

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

We don't want you to pay less than the American Club page. It will pressure on you there. So, Tim, this is not a very finding one. It's not a very conclusive one. Anything, if there is something you find not covered under you, we don't want to press on it. I'll let you know. So, I'll agree to sit down with Chris next week. He's got all the documents. He's going through them. Okay. I'll get back to you. Okay, no problem. I'll give you the best.

20:41

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

The other one was the master's cache. I think we mentioned this when we discussed it right at the start. At the beginning there was a master cache which was stolen. And it is also a sign. If you can remember I told him all the stolen items.

21:00

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

Master sign, just before reading. And the brother Ahmed, the pirate commander also signed. Can you remember, I told them very clearly. He stole, my mother, pirate master stole, and decided what he did. Master sequestered his sign.

21:28

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I think we had a conversation with Tim and Anam where they agreed to consider that. I've got the recording.

21:43

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

We'll get through this. I remember I had a meeting once with a broker and it was a very significant casualty and there was a flip chart and the broker started getting up and writing things down that we were saying and he took a photograph at the end of it. We all agree. I said, well, it was like saying, I'm going to use this. Might be out of context. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We'll be for next trip with an officer Jahan. Yes. You would...

22:09

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

No, this is the ship we had... Oh, sorry, just bring that up. I've paid 77,000. Yes, of course. So this one, what I would just like to say, the Naksa Jahan, she was in the Europe world and had several issues and all ultimately closed and all came back. Now this Naksa Jahan, we have an issue now with the Chattarad, the last load for in Morocco.

22:38

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

They are coming back that they do not want to leave the full frame because the vessel did not have our equipment ready.

22:52

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

the world had some problem but that only problem I can initiate it due to the birth condition. On the previous voyage or on the... Same voyage. Same voyage. Same voyage. Same voyage. She was going to Poland, she was going to Brazil. No, no, no. Morocco. She was supposed to go to Morocco. She went to Morocco. The park was open to sea. Previous voyage was used. No, no, no.

23:16

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

Same voice. Same voice. The previous voice had an issue which was okay. Nothing was okay. The current one is... In Morocco, when she was loading, after 3-4 days, the rope parted. And then the vessel came back and she did not, could not go back. So when she came back, one of the woundedness was found.

23:44

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

Fixing not broken. So then we checked to the agent, the caterers did everything, their workshop initially said that it is repairable, and they gave quotation and said everything, okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. I don't know why they did not come back with this one. So, you know, as per solas.

24:03

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

It is, out of two inlass, you can have one. But you take the additional task. We propose that one also to them, chataras. That as per solar, you have that here. And accordingly, we took the permission from flag state. We shared with the chatara. You got flag state permission. Yes, yes. We shared with the chatara.

24:24

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

Ultimately they did not go back because of here, and the vessel now came back. Now there is some charter, hire is pending. So what I, my sergeant, I have given, collected the information, and now I am just trying to get another feedback from the captain. All together, next week I will send it to you, just as you have. Here the point is, as I told you, very basic point, it was open port, and this one, yesterday I was checking the history of this port.

24:53

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

And I found out this port was billions of dollars.

25:10

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

So what happened when this project was made? A report is there on the website. They have the full project report. And I highlighted also, first in the year that about the port description, they have said shipping to the port of Lai Yong.

25:29

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

L I1 for phosphate floating involve navigating significant logistical safety and legal complexity. It is on the port itself which as per total fatigue they must provide a safe port. Is it time or voyage? Time or voyage? Sir, it is a time. Time, sir. Okay. So it is that there is a safe port. Now the port, this situation we did not know. We just found out.

25:57

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

Yes, which they also did not know this. Last night I came. Here they said in the sea transportation, the risk, out of 365 days, 200 days per year the port is inoperative due to the inclement weather and all.

26:16

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

So this is the one. You can read it. Can you send it to me? I can send it to me, but for two days I think immediately, if you highlight it, I read this paragraph very clear. When you send me the papers, if you can... Yeah, I'll put it. Why I'm telling you, just to make you a bit informed about the situation, that whatever they say, the code itself is the same. I have to establish that, because it is going to come.

26:42

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

That way, we are still trying to, certainly they make a believe, but I have the truth, but I want to share with them one bit. Out of the end, I think 200 days. Unbelievable. We see quite a few. It's there. Quite a few others. Yes, this is the history I found out from this point when it was here. We see quite a few incidents before.

27:09

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

Is that alcohol? Yeah.

27:22

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

With respect to Naksha Dhan, we have to have a restaurant a bit, I mean by next 3 to 5 days because the vessel is not paying for IRF for last 1 month. Since she departed, they are not paying. On the other hand, they have a claim on the carbon model not being low.

27:44

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

So that one. And vessel is coming to the Indian port which is on the 5th of May. So before we come. So before I arrive at least 3 to 5 people. I have taken the time or given the time to the captain to come back by next Sunday. My thing is that we compile everything in a possible time. Because you need the first initial draft from...

28:13

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

So if you send the papers to me and then we'll take care of it. Yeah, right. So this prospect is from the customs then. Let's build another breakwater. Okay, well we're here, Fatma Jahan 2, the billets. That's a very unfortunate claim for you. Let me say it's unfair.

28:41

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

But I don't know. Our lawyers, everybody, everybody, I am not a lawyer, but I am just... Even the law thing, particularly the first is the common sense. Then you put it in that. This Fatema Jahan, the sales contract, nobody, lawyers at all, they are not putting their... They put it in some places. Sales contract, very clearly it is mentioned.

29:08

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

The receiver must send their representative load port, checking the manufacturer, checking the marking, everything, then only where that should be loaded, which I repeatedly tried to point out this Daphne. These are the sales, because I know it is not relevant with the Chatterpatiba. This is the sales contract.

29:37

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I think the reason is they've obviously tried to go to the Chinese shippers to get their money and failed and then they said the ship is a good time. Nothing as per the sales contract was followed. If they have followed it, it cannot be like this. Lots of delays. Lots of delays.

30:08

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

The legal difficulty with this, wherever we are, whether it's English jurisdiction or Bangladesh or Singapore, is that no one has had a case like this before. No one has. There isn't any precedent.

30:21

S… Speaker 3 (Recording_155)

for a case on these specific markings on carbon. This is why we don't know. But anyway, I'll check that point out later.

30:32

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I think we can complete this one. Can we just talk how quickly? You have five minutes. I tell you, you must visit the lunch. Otherwise, if you have no problem, missing the flight today is no problem. But you have to have the lunch.

31:04

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

Thank you so much. Be careful Mr Karim, Mr Karim.

31:25

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I want to talk to you about the... I saw that. I was a bit surprised.

32:13

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

and they normally charge three and a half thousand dollars per vessel survey

32:21

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

and they want to do six of them, which is obviously $21,000. If they did the... I know originally you said let's do them away from Chiligong, and then last night it looks like it might be more convenient here with the situation. I checked this morning with them and said to them, if you're having to do the technical audit and the survey here, will there be a saving? There'll be a little bit of a saving from the airfare, but they're only coming in the economy. It's not a lot. We will have a conversation with Beasley and see...

32:50

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

The original proposal for Beasley was a 50-50 spend. That would be maybe 14,000. Why? Why? Because they want... Why they are... We are doing whatever. We are maintaining my class. We are maintaining our... We are doing a document of compliance, of the office compliance. We are maintaining the safety management certificate. Everything. We are not taking any money from Beasley. Even we are having the right shift. We are paying this one, everything. So why should I pay something for the Beasley?

33:17

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

If this is their requirement not my requirement even I am not it is not a requirement for my trading. So, this is why should I pay impossible we cannot pay not a single penny. If no if they want to do something they do let them do we welcome we will have the free drink and I mean I want to have food everything everything that they will get but we will not pay any money this is their requirement just tell me it is totally logical.

33:45

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

The reason why that they thought it was a fair service because ultimately you will benefit. I don't know. I don't know. We have enough benefit. We have enough advisors. Okay. First 45 years we have enough advisors. We do not need any more. Whatever they have, let them find out. If there is some physical, I mean mechanical or some repair thing, we will do as per that. If there is some procedural one, they find out here. We will have our counters.

34:15

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

And then if there is something we need to do, we will do, fine. We will satisfy what they are. If they want to do this initial survey, then the follow-up survey, clothing survey, if they are not satisfied again, it's up to them. Until they are satisfied, we will do everything. And I'm competing you, so please consider me very much. I'm just telling you because I used to work for a company like Beasley.

34:41

S… Speaker 4 (Recording_155)

I think that if we had a member that had casualties along the way, we would of course like to see what was happening on board. And then because it would give us some kind of confidence. Because if we wouldn't have this confidence, and I was working for claims, not for placing, so again, I'm just a messenger here.

35:00

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

I would normally like to charge higher premium. That's just what I'm dropping on the table. So, I'll leave this with you. No, okay. For this one, the first student we had, I'll put you in, the master level of fire. Follow-up survey, everything was done on the sheet. Their, what is called, correspondent went there, they tried to find out how, why, all these things. They have done whatever required.

35:28

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

Then they carried out a water car management company review by their corresponding air marine care cannot remember. Yes sir. They have done two three ships. One team already they have done. Then next after this doing this then we had another incident fire Aisha server fire. For that one also their people came. They had a look on the ship and they have seen the history everything is the statement there every class even everybody is there.

35:56

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

So what is there? I do not know. We have cooperated, we have given them everything and they have done also whatever they needed. Now suddenly this thing comes. Okay fine, let them do. Why should I share the course? Just tell me. They want to reduce their risk by making us more educated or say whatever you say. I think probably the concern from your point of view is we had Captain Zilla attend already and do.

36:23

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

A lot of this work. And now it feels to you like it's a repetitive exercise. We've already had that. Understand where you're coming from. We're not going to fall out over it. Of course we're not. You want Beasley on board. Beasley want you on board. So leave that with us. If they want to. I just tell them. It's not anytime, anywhere. If they want that I want to happen.

36:51

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

you can just allow them to come and have a look and see. Anytime instead of the scheduled one, it is open because they are looking here anytime they want because that ships are calling 20, now we have 27 ships in several ports. So if they want any ship to pick up by themselves, okay I want to go to this ship, okay we can say maybe after 3 days she will be there or she is in the port.

37:17

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

or she is someone, please come and do. So, this is the best way to do. It is a, it should be a random one or a best way to do, no? The planned one is, I prepare everything for it, it is better than I throw it out, doesn't it? They can, real, real life scenario, they can see, just they give up. We don't need.

37:41

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

Any note is nothing. Our ship are all ready. Like calling for PC, any day may come, they don't give you an early warning, I think. Yeah, yeah. So, Bisley can be one of the, say, if they own a PC or something, somebody can do it. Right, sir. Cheaper and any time they come, it's much effective and matching with the real life. This is my own experience. Okay. I have a copy of this, so can I return this to you and say thank you? Sure. Sure. Lovely.

38:08

S… Speaker 2 (Recording_155)

Okay, so let's go for lunch. She is very happy. No other client gave him the quick time like this.

38:21

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

I always ask about all the feet. He tried to design it like it's very easy to flip and there are just a few pages.

38:54

S… Speaker 1 (Recording_155)

Thank you.

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