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Qodobka 1: Dr. Jung, we have been discussing in some detail some of the factors in the development of the personality of the individual and you have very kindly elaborated for us on some of your fundamental concepts such as the archetype and at least simply what it means and certain types of archetypes such as the anima and the animus and we try to show perhaps in our discussion some of the ways that your ideas may have differed from those of Dr. 302s · Speaker 1

Dr. Jung, we have been discussing in some detail some of the factors in the development of the personality of the individual and you have very kindly elaborated for us on some of your fundamental concepts such as the archetype and at least …

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Qodobka 2: they don't know it. 304s · Speaker 1

they don't know it. They think they're all one. Everybody sees that there are two. And some know him only from one side, others know him only from the other side, and then there are situations that clash, because the way you are creates cer…

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Qodobka 3: dreams or if you are clever in immediate observation of an individual then you see in the gestures or in the expression in the face that there is enough what one calls something behind consciousness so that you you have Finally the feeling, well, that man has something up his sleeve. 303s · Speaker 2

dreams or if you are clever in immediate observation of an individual then you see in the gestures or in the expression in the face that there is enough what one calls something behind consciousness so that you you have Finally the feeling,…

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Qodobka 4: that very complicated fact that Hitler presents. 301s · Speaker 2

that very complicated fact that Hitler presents. It is complicated, you know, he's a hero figure. And the hero figure is far more important than any fathers that have ever existed. Much broader than the immediate father figure. No, he wasn'…

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Qodobka 5: And that is a reality that is just a reality as, for instance, the Peace Treaty of Versailles or something like that. 286s · Speaker 1

And that is a reality that is just a reality as, for instance, the Peace Treaty of Versailles or something like that. It is no more, you can't show it. But it has been a fact. And so, the psychical events are facts, are realities. And when …

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Qodobka 6: If he's well -housed and well -fed, then he has no idea. 299s · Speaker 2

If he's well -housed and well -fed, then he has no idea. That's the great mistake. Because he is just that as which he is born, and he's not born as a reality. Yes. Now, of course, one of the very common, I think, misconceptions of your wor…

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Qodobka 7: sensation type and the woman was an intuitive type of course they felt attraction and so they took a little boat and went out to the lake of zurek and and there were those birds that dive of the fish you know yeah and then after a certain time they come up again and you can't tell where they come up and so they began to pit who the first was the first to to see the bird Now you would think that the one who observes reality very carefully, the sensation type, would of course win out. 289s · Speaker 1

sensation type and the woman was an intuitive type of course they felt attraction and so they took a little boat and went out to the lake of zurek and and there were those birds that dive of the fish you know yeah and then after a certain t…

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Qodobka 8: in a slight feeling of an easiness, uncertainty, fear. 64s · Speaker 2

in a slight feeling of an easiness, uncertainty, fear. Now, under primitive circumstances, you will pay attention to these things. They mean something. With us in our man -made, absolutely, apparently safe conditions, we don't need that fun…

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Qodobka 9: you know. 300s · Speaker 1

you know. You cannot tell why and how, but we have a lot of subliminal perceptions, sense perceptions, and from those we probably draw a good deal of our intuitions. But that is perception by the way of the unconscious. And you can observe …

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Qodobka 10: this morning, it came up and came out of my mouth, and the head was golden. 121s · Speaker 1

this morning, it came up and came out of my mouth, and the head was golden. And those were her last words. Now, you see, that same girl, when it comes to reality. She came to me because she couldn't hear the step of her feet anymore. Becaus…

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Qodobka 11: Now, you see, such a person cannot possibly speak of her experiences. 153s · Speaker 2

Now, you see, such a person cannot possibly speak of her experiences. Because everybody would think she's... Absolutely crazy. I myself was quite shocked when I thought, for heaven's sake, is that guy a schizophrenia? Because you don't hear…

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Qodobka 12: you see? Yes. 158s · Speaker 3

you see? Yes. You see, when people make psychology as a psychologist ought to do, well, the very first question, is he extroverted or is he introverted? Yes. He would look at entirely different things. Yes. Is he a sensation type? Is he an …

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Qodobka 13: in a sense, would then be an intuitive type? 302s · Speaker 4

in a sense, would then be an intuitive type? A person in his experiment is more likely to... That's quite probable. Or it can be a sensation type. say, an extraverted sensation type that is very much influenced by the unconscious. I see. Be…

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Qodobka 14: which would have some relevance at this point in our discussion. 178s · Speaker 2

which would have some relevance at this point in our discussion. Would you care to comment a little bit on this concept? That is awfully complicated. One wouldn't know where to begin. Of course, this kind of thinking has been started long a…

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Qodobka 15: Now, I hadn't seen it. 301s · Speaker 3

Now, I hadn't seen it. It was impossible because it was behind the building. In this moment, the red car appears. Now, this is... Oh, that's mere chance. The Ryan's experiment proves that these cases are not mere chances. Of course, many of…

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Qodobka 16: But I found the most simple way is the way I told you. 301s · Speaker 1

But I found the most simple way is the way I told you. Yes. As the division by four is a simple and natural division of a circle. I didn't know the symbolism of the particular classification. Only when I studied the archetypes, I became awa…

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Qodobka 17: And I used it because I wanted to express the fact that the Power manifestation of sexuality is not the only power manifestation. 73s · Speaker 1

And I used it because I wanted to express the fact that the Power manifestation of sexuality is not the only power manifestation. Because you have a lot of time. Say, the drive to conquer or the drive to aggression or something of the sort.…

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Qodobka 18: Ego drives, yes. 300s · Speaker 2

Ego drives, yes. You see. Now that is something else. Yes. That's another manifestation. Now in order not to presume or to prejudice things, I speak simply of energy. An energy. It is a quantity of energy that can manifest via sexuality or …

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Qodobka 19: I have consulted so many surgeons and they all assume there is none. 100s · Speaker 1

I have consulted so many surgeons and they all assume there is none. And I know there is none. But I might have one, you see. And that's enough. You see, such a case can stop from one moment to the other. He simply stops thinking such a foo…

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Qodobka 20: I see, I see. 301s · Speaker 2

I see, I see. You see? So, in such a case, one can begin right away with the analysis of dreams. And in all cases that are a bit serious, mind you, this is not a simple case, this is a very serious and difficult case, in spite of the simpli…

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Qodobka 21: When we speak of the unconscious, we almost should say, which unconscious? 303s · Speaker 1

When we speak of the unconscious, we almost should say, which unconscious? Namely, is it that personal unconsciousness which is characteristic for a certain person, for a certain individual? Yes, so that you have the personal unconsciousnes…

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Qodobka 22: of schizophrenia. 300s · Speaker 2

of schizophrenia. That case was not a case of schizophrenia. as examples you can take any of these collective theories I published. There are plenty. I cannot remember examples. You know, to make it clear, I should tell a long story. Then y…

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Qodobka 23: rationalization, and so on and so forth, then in a sense, where you would differ from the orthodox psychoanalytic view, you would not say that they are a repressed type of way of defending a manner in which the ego is being defended, but rather you would say that they were already there. 302s · Speaker 2

rationalization, and so on and so forth, then in a sense, where you would differ from the orthodox psychoanalytic view, you would not say that they are a repressed type of way of defending a manner in which the ego is being defended, but ra…

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Qodobka 24: tabula rasa, but it is a definite mixture of, or combination of genes. 234s · Speaker 1

tabula rasa, but it is a definite mixture of, or combination of genes. And the genes, although the genes seem to contain chiefly dynamic factors, arranger of a certain behavior, they have a tremendous importance also for the arrangement of …

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Qodobka 25: You brought up many, many very, of course, very interesting and provocative ideas here, as you have, of course, in your many, many thousands of pages of writing and written work. 65s · Speaker 2

You brought up many, many very, of course, very interesting and provocative ideas here, as you have, of course, in your many, many thousands of pages of writing and written work. And, of course, running through all your work, there are many…

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Qodobka 26: Well, you know, that's something quite simple. 301s · Speaker 1

Well, you know, that's something quite simple. Take an acorn, put it into the ground, it grows and it becomes an oak. You see, that is man. Man develops from an egg and develops into the whole man. And that is the law that is in him. Well, …

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Qodobka 27: and your ideas, and it's encased in the term mandala. 300s · Speaker 1

and your ideas, and it's encased in the term mandala. Now this seems to be sort of an ultimate realization, a direction. And I would certainly be most interested in hearing your observations on this idea. Well, Mandela is just one typical a…

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Qodobka 28: if we could here perhaps get into it in a little bit more detail. 301s · Speaker 2

if we could here perhaps get into it in a little bit more detail. First of all, what are the ingredients of the word association test? What is involved in the use of it? You mean the practical? Yes, the practical use of it, yes. Oh, well, y…

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Qodobka 29: I think very highly of it. 299s · Speaker 2

I think very highly of it. Use it. Yes, and you still use it in the education of young aliens. Yes, use it, I think. Or, you see, for instance, if I had a case that doesn't want to talk, I can make an experiment, but I find out a lot of thi…

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Qodobka 30: Even unconsciously. 300s · Speaker 1

Even unconsciously. Yes, I see. I see. Now, in the whole matter of psychosomatic medicine, they have now, for example, very recently hinted that cancer may have psychosomatic involvement. This doesn't surprise you? Years ago, we already had…

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Qodobka 31: of course. 301s · Speaker 2

of course. When you study human psychology, you can't help noticing that man doesn't... My psychology doesn't only consist of the ramifications of instinct in his behavior. These instincts are not the only determinants. There are many other…

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Qodobka 32: not merely personal. 80s · Speaker 1

not merely personal. There are an amount of objective factors. The general social conditions, laws, convictions, ways of looking at things, of dealing with things. Now, which things are not? for arbitrary character. They are historical. The…

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Qodobka 33: for instance, and of the biological data. 301s · Speaker 2

for instance, and of the biological data. So when I wrote my first book concerning the psychology of the unconscious... I already had formed a certain idea, nature of the unconscious. To me it was then a living, a remnant of the original hi…

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Qodobka 34: exactly hysterical, because they were singularly. 301s · Speaker 1

exactly hysterical, because they were singularly... difficult to understand, it was sort of strange, strange eruptions, and I thought that these cases could give me a better understanding, so I took the opportunity when Professor Flourma...…

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Qodobka 35: unconscious that can interfere with consciousness in any tiny pieces and of course I say to myself now this is very uncomfortable because I think I am the only master in my house but I must admit that there is another somebody in that house that can play tricks and I had to deal with the unfortunate It seems of that interference every day in my patients. 300s · Speaker 1

unconscious that can interfere with consciousness in any tiny pieces and of course I say to myself now this is very uncomfortable because I think I am the only master in my house but I must admit that there is another somebody in that house…

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Qodobka 36: knew that, I knew the whole story. 129s · Speaker 1

knew that, I knew the whole story. That girl suffered from a phobia. The horrific phobia has been in a practical analytic treatment already, with no effect, and she was really very plagued by that phobia, anxiety stage of all sorts of... An…

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Qodobka 37: So, Professor Jung, so you began to see, in a sense, your typology led to a sort of a theory of a psychology of opposites, that the conscious would reveal one side of a type and the unconscious would be the other side. 300s · Speaker 2

So, Professor Jung, so you began to see, in a sense, your typology led to a sort of a theory of a psychology of opposites, that the conscious would reveal one side of a type and the unconscious would be the other side. And that this would b…

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Qodobka 38: you are not indifferent to them and there is then a sort of emotional relation between the patient and the doctor. 300s · Speaker 2

you are not indifferent to them and there is then a sort of emotional relation between the patient and the doctor. Now, you know, when you hand out such materials, these contents are associated with all the important persons in the life of …

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Qodobka 39: You know, she was a little infant, she was sitting on my knees, I held her in my arms, I was a very tender father to the little girl, you know, and more and more her things became impacted in that respect, namely that I was a sort of child. 301s · Speaker 2

You know, she was a little infant, she was sitting on my knees, I held her in my arms, I was a very tender father to the little girl, you know, and more and more her things became impacted in that respect, namely that I was a sort of child.…

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Qodobka 40: She cannot depend anymore because that value is in herself. 301s · Speaker 1

She cannot depend anymore because that value is in herself. And that is a sort of liberation. And that is of thought, makes her complete, you know. In as much as she can realize such a luminous experience, she is able to continue her path, …

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Qodobka 41: reduces everything to an average, and of course all the individual policies are wiped out, and that of course is most. 299s · Speaker 2

reduces everything to an average, and of course all the individual policies are wiped out, and that of course is most... Unbecoming, it is unhygienic. It deprives people of their specific values, where they are individuals. It deprives them…

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Qodobka 42: The ideal state is a slave state. 110s · Speaker 1

The ideal state is a slave state. Then you can go to Russia. There is wonderful. There you can be a number, but one pays it very dearly. Our whole life goes into places. And so we have plenty of cases of a similar kind. And that has natural…

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Qodobka 43: a peculiar philosophy of it. 303s · Speaker 2

a peculiar philosophy of it. As ever as nothing makes a peculiar philosophy when he comes across it naively and doesn't know that those are structural elements of the unconscious society. Now they have lived in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century.…

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Qodobka 44: of archetypes, that means the movement of archetypes looks. 71s · Speaker 1

of archetypes, that means the movement of archetypes looks. When you look upon them as if from above, maybe from today, you look back into the past and you see how the present moment has evolved out of the past. And it is just as if... The …

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Qodobka 45: have a different one. 70s · Speaker 2

have a different one. And that we can see through the example of the alchemistic philosophy that behaves towards the medieval consciousness exactly like the unconscious behaves to ourselves. And we can construct or even predict the outcomes…

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