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right and so i guess now does it get does it does the strength reduce as they get higher up

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no no we're gonna no we gotta we have to keep the first floor shoring in at least for 28 days

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okay till you come with full strength and then and then we start going well we're gonna go up

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even we're gonna go up down before then but the story in itself has to stay in place

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yeah and that's what happened is by day three and that's part of some of the uh

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the ocean specif and then the architectural specification

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so that we're gonna have

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other ways to construct

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there's a block

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certainly they drop on top of the block

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there's not part of the design

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there's not

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there's a design

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so they end up

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but you can see

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if you look at it

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the reinforcements in the island

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the same way

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in the island

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when they fill it out like that

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right

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they're gonna go and fill out a good little bar

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they're gonna come and they're gonna see you in the island

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all right so you're most

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going down the island street

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there's a big i think i'm going to show you a video

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i'm shooting in here

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there's any point

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diameter

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we'll use a case on it

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that is

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he said that they

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these case zones were down in real

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hey chas

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hi

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i think it was here

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the sword is coming

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into the rock

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as the rock socket

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where

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you're only right

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you want to know

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you want to see

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and they're going to come

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to that

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okay

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now what did you say i'm sorry

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i was just saying i'm sorry

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i was explaining to them

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how the caissons

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were installed

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and that these columns

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would go down

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and be supported on top of the caissons

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down into the rock

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yes

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and uh

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and is that because the existing

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because there was a dormitory here

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yeah

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before

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and it was just sitting on the existing ground

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or was that

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no they were on caissons too

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they were on the same thing

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because you've got to remember

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that we're going up over

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so far

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so far

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up

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oh

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how are you

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oh we've got someone new here

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oh

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more since this time

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and so therefore

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the um

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the loading

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had to be increased

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the size of the caissons

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had to be increased

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you got 24

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and you got 48

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now

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24 and 48

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these are big casings

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oh yeah

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oh yeah

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we gotta go

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oh man

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and how much did you say

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how many pounds

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350 ton on the 48's

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and 175 on the 24's

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so 350 tons of a

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force coming down

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yeah

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on the uh

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48

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per 48 inch caissons

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okay and that supports that

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and that's I guess

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what I explained to them

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that's that load path

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from all of the slab

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and bringing the loads down

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yeah

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from the columns

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down to the

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down to the files

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yeah

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and does that include

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when they're

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when the structural engineer designs

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does that include

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let's see

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wind loading

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earthquake

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things like that

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so that it

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like the overturning

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you might have a higher

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concentrated point

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with some of these

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yeah when we did our first test

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we did the friction test

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to see

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you know

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capacity up and down

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and then we did lateral tests

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okay

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put a jack between two piles

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and we pushed

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and you pushed

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to see how far

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and how much do you have

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to hold relative

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lateral versus

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this can't be as much as

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no no no

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like uh

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that number

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is that like 10%

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or 5%

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that number escapes me

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most likely

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it's uh

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I'll have to look for

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the lateral number

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I just know we couldn't

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push it more than an inch

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or the test was off

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oh so it could

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it'll actually move

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somewhat

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it moves a little bit

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yeah but we actually

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did good here

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they didn't move much here

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it didn't move at all

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actually we usually

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you take it to failure

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to see where it fails

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but they jacked it up

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to three times what they

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needed to and it didn't fail

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so they know that

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yeah we know we're more

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than uh

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and typically these have

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to be what

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the they have to be

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tested to twice the

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capacity of what is required

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for the plant

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40% more I believe

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on the caissons

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on the caissons

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because I know piles

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it's usually like

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a hundred percent

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I mean

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If you and me, for instance, when we looked at one of the plants, the piles were 100 tons, right?

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Therefore, the design test, when they go in and they load up to run a test, an in-situ test, they load it up to 200 tons.

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And it has to, like he was saying, a movement on it.

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It has to, if it's compressed, right, it has to return at least three quarters of the way, whatever it compressed.

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I mean, if it went down an inch, it's got to come back three quarters of an inch for the building.

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Right? You guys follow the building.

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Yeah, yeah. Everything had to be 10% on the lateral.

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So it is 10%.

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It was 35 tons for the 48s and 15 tons for the 24s.

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Okay, so that's a little bit less than 10%.

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You pushed it between?

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Yeah, we took two piles. Hydraulic jacked between.

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I see.

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Yeah.

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Would you mind just to go, I know we did it last time,

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and you just talked about what the contract relationship is between the owner, which is NJIT, right?

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And the construction, like what type of a contract is it that you have with the school?

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Is it just a GC contract?

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Owner.

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Owner.

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Well, you're the owner, right?

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But he's building the thing, right?

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Right.

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So he's not part of you.

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Right.

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I forward that to you, but it is an owner agreement with the GC.

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Okay.

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We're the owner agreement with the AIA.

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Right.

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We started that, we have that type of contract, and it's a TMP, guaranteed maximum price.

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Right?

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And they are, you're doing a...

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We're a design build.

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You're a design build.

6:33

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So the contract type is a design build contract.

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Versus a bid, build, bid, you know, you build a design bid, build contract where they design the whole thing.

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So you're actually still doing some design work.

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We're sort of at the tail end of that now, but...

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We're almost done.

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Yeah.

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But it's not like typically with a bid, it contract...

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Oh, yeah.

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It's not always done.

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It's all done.

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No, yeah.

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This one, you started some of the work, but you were still working.

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Yes.

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And the engineers and the architects are kind of...

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All work for me.

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They all work.

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Okay.

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So it's under you.

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You didn't create a separate, like, entity that was the two groups together?

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No.

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Like a separate person?

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No, everything is us.

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No.

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Okay.

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So you took them under you and said, okay, design this.

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So you understand that?

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But they are, right, the actual designer and builder.

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Okay?

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That's how they're all in one.

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And now the owners, NJIT, pays them.

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And is it a...

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Do you have kind of a regular pay period?

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Monthly.

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So it's a monthly...

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Monthly.

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And you'll build, like, say, an AIA.

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Yep.

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All the subs will submit to you.

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Yep.

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You put that in your AIA.

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Send it to her.

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That goes...

7:44

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Now, do you have an outside...

7:46

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Since the financing is bonded by you, do you...

7:49

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You don't have, like, a financial guy that comes out and has their engineer walk the job

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to make sure it's...

7:54

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No, no, no.

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You do that...

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I do that.

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And you approve their invoice.

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Right.

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And I have consultants that help me out.

7:59

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Okay.

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So you do have some consultants that walk.

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Yeah.

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It's just too much for myself and my boss to...

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Right.

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To go walk...

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A project is...

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Well, no.

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Just to go...

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Just to be able to handle a project that's just magic.

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Because we are...

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We all...

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We work on other jobs, too.

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Right.

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So we have some individuals that are, like I said, consultants that really support me.

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Right.

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And more of this administrative type of work, reviewing payment requests, helping me out

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with change orders.

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Right.

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These are that names.

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And is there seem to be...

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Is there a lot of change already going on?

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So far, they're...

8:31

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It's going to start tapering off, though, I'm hoping.

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Yeah.

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There's all design stuff that was...

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I mean, we had the water line was a change.

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Yeah.

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I'm trying to think.

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And there's a couple of little things here and there that they're picking up.

8:42

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But unforeseen conditions, we're dealing with that, too.

8:44

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Is that typical for your, let's say, below ground, where you're not sure.

8:49

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Well, you do some tests.

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Yeah.

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And then a water line.

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You can't see it.

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But once you get out of the ground...

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It shouldn't be much of a change.

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It should be.

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Unless you change and say, hey...

8:57

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Unless I make changes, then that's a bigger change.

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Right.

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And let's say the president, he, like, gold...

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He does.

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He did.

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Oh, well, he does.

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He did that right.

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And he did...

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We already got that one.

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That's another teacher that we got.

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That was a big one that we had to get out of the room.

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Yes, sir.

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He's right.

9:08

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They came in and got some amazing changes.

9:11

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And we had to do so much.

9:12

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So he got some plans and says, hey, I'd like this.

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We got these...

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Todd goes, sits down with him, go over.

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Reviews the drawings with him.

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Nice.

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Keep around.

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Move.

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Move.

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Move.

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Reviews the drawings with him.

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If he sees something he doesn't really like or what have you, he lets Todd know.

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We come back, let them know.

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They're like, well, this wasn't a part of the original drawings.

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Change.

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And so he submits the change orders to you.

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Now, does the president have to sign off on that?

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Or you guys sign off?

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But it's like, you know, other individuals like higher than myself and Todd, who have

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to review, they sign off and then they'll be paid off.

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And then they move ahead and do it.

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If they don't sign off, he doesn't do it.

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Sometimes, well, not really.

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Smaller, depending on where we are in the project, sometimes the change will fall behind,

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you know.

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And they have to...

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to keep the project moving but they know that we actually know the relationship will be paid

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them monthly so they trust us we trust them to keep moving the project we pay them keep moving

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that's good so you're you're comfortable that's going to keep moving yeah yeah we're all because

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some projects you know the guys are a little nervous and all of a sudden i've been on those

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too yeah but not yet yeah but none of the stuff that we have is like major uh we had some yeah

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no for the most like denise said we communicate yeah very frequently and you said though that

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that water line was 700 and that was a complete you anticipated just tying into the main yeah yeah

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and as you know we ran into a muck so yeah right man it's a lot of under underground conditions

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that we didn't even know about that even the city didn't even know about that right right

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some of those changes he didn't know yeah the plans that they have in the in the city sometimes

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oh yeah or they don't know what was in there they don't document it correctly they don't they

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leave it and then when you find it and that's exactly what happened we found and we're like oh no what

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did we do now for like um weather conditions when you have a big rain everything was there an original

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detention system for the old building that was here i don't think so i don't think so so you do you

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have to put a detention yeah so why why why not let it run into the storm drain uh if we did that it

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would probably overwhelm their water yeah okay break all their pipes and so you're not allowed to do

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that no you can't even do that at maple yeah most jobs nowadays they want to keep the water on site as

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long as possible yeah right to retain it as though it was a big field here growing corn and the cows

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were in pasture right even when i did the job out in hackett town which was in the middle of nowhere

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they made us small ponds everything was kept on site yeah so your storm system was made 100 years

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ago they're not used to this kind of urban development yeah you start having all this kind

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of run off all this kind of water they don't start breaking pipes and they make you keep as much as

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can on site and slowly trickle it out into the system and this is um uh not under the building

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right this no the base is not in yet but it's going to be out in the middle of the yard by laurel but

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further and are you going to tie these other buildings into that system no just this building only

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they can't make you go and hey while you're there capture these too while you're at it yeah they would

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like to do that if you could sure yeah that's good that we did not have to do that i was telling that

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this is 6 000 psi these columns yeah as you get up does that does that strength lower a bit no not

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on this stuff no everything stays 6 000 all the way to the top even though let's say the roof only carry

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loads sometimes we do they change it but they even get the columns get a little bit smaller after the

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third floor they start to reduce yeah they'll reduce from this floor you can even see you really can't see

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this angle but the bars are sort of offset that's because the column on that floor is going to be

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smaller than this column but the concrete stays the material stays the same same psi on this yeah

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just the column gets a little smaller yeah uh when we were here watching your court last time

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we um uh you had a special inspector on site and what is he for he works for the school and he's

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basically well actually he works uh tony tony yeah he works for the school and he's like a third he's

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called a third party so he's checking uh he's checking us that we're doing the right thing

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so he's taking samples of the concrete he takes it to his lab he tests it to make sure that we have the

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right concrete he's looking at all the rebar make sure and the reason he works for the school is because

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he worked for me not that we would do this but then we could say no no you have to approve it or you're not

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a lot of funny business you probably see stuff in the news with like you know other entities like

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you know larger entities like port authority stuff like that where there's the wires get crossed a

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little too easily out there yeah um wasn't there an issue of one of the was it the the stadium one of

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the yankees said one where the concrete they weren't yeah they weren't testing it the guy was just

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passing everything yeah and then all of a sudden they caught him like yeah that's usually how that

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kind of happens so that's why they keep everything separate uh like i have nothing to do with the

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guy i can't do anything to uh you just receive his reports yeah he tested and sent me the reports yeah

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does he do tests like the the concrete uh compression tests does he run seven day and then let's say 14

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day and then 28 and you receive those reports yeah if there's a concern like you get one and it's a

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little bit low what do you do uh it depends on how low if it's a little low it could be enough built

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in with factor safety that we don't really have to do anything the structural engineer will check it

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and say yeah it's a little low but it's okay yeah if it's

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way low what they'll do probably is double check the guy's test so they'll come out and shoot a

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shoot a gun at the column say that column was low they'd come out and shoot it in place

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the windsor probe it's called and then they'll see the compressive strength on that so maybe

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the guy took a bad sample maybe the guy dropped the cylinder and didn't tell anyone maybe maybe

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maybe he did something wrong so they'll do that if that comes up low and it is bad then

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it starts to go into you know potentially if it's something that's up like this and done you

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probably can't chop it out but maybe they got to add something next to it maybe we got to do something

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they'll upgrade somehow yeah if it's in the ground i've had before we've had to chop some you know

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wall out but if once it's up like this it's sort of difficult to then just take the column out

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wholesale so we like to make sure that these things are good yeah everything is checked multiple

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in tons of different ways yeah so when you when the concrete truck pulls in right you get a ticket

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yep and i think i showed you guys you sent me a copy of that ticket it's online it's on our screen

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but it's a ticket that shows you know so every piece of material like i said that comes on the site

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it's going to have some kind of designation a certification or a marking the wood is going to be

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stamped concrete will have a ticket the steel have a grade concrete you know those are all important

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things you want to make sure you check those and then it conforms to the point because his plan

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is going to tell him that concrete strength's got to be this that steel's got to be this type of

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speed the lumber has to be this great so he's got to make sure that that is all the plan

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so the inspector is all the time on the side pretty much yeah at this point now how many do you guys keep on

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the side how many what how many how many people is on the side like oh right now uh we're starting

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to pick up more but we're probably at like 60 guys what do you think you'll be max when you get

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fully going 200 probably 200 men it's gonna be crowded huh

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like 60 today or like every like dailies around that uh now right now it's like 60 if you ask me

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a week from now it'll probably be like 75. and then uh it will probably be consistent at like 80 75 to 80

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for a while and then in may and june it'll start to pick up pick up more yeah right yeah you know just

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more work opens up more guys will come for now it's just mainly the concrete guy yeah once the

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mechanicals and the electricals and the hvcs and the all-star color uh when you pour that slide is

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this this hasn't been poured yet right no i have no oh you did pour half what you're looking at it's

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poured okay and when you have to get all your mechanicals do you put in like sleeves and do you

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core the concrete no everything's sleeves they put all the sleeves in ahead of time and make sure

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that all your mechanical can go through the the floor system yeah so you're not affecting the

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rear foot so i guess when the special inspector goes in he makes sure that these sleeves where

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they are they're not doing any damage to the reinforcing or if he has to put something around

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that's why they uh always really prefer they almost mandate that you get them in beforehand

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because they don't want you going around and drawing a bunch of holes and then you're cutting rebar

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right because there's i think every bathroom has a toilet a shower a sink so that's three in

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every bathroom then you have the kitchen there's another sink so there's four so every unit is four

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plus maybe some units have extra bathrooms so it's like five so there's hundreds of holes on

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the floor it adds up really quick and then the president's one that probably is a whole bunch of

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jacuzzis oh i just wonder so um one of the things we saw last time was the guys were in the fall

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protection when they were out uh when you do these floors are you going to install those straps that

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go inside into the concrete slab and hang around the edge of the building so when they go and hook

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up or no they uh no they won't what they'll do is they'll post install when they do the glass but

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these guys won't they'll have rails like this all the way all right so they won't do because i know in

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some of the buildings that we went to the one over here and the building they would put in these

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five thousand pound straps that they would actually slide and reinforce them and pour yeah we did that

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on maple because we had a uh like a derrick like a loading dock yes so then the guys have to walk out

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to take in the load so we're going to land everything from above once that when we go around

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you'll see the giant crane that we're building yeah um that's going to pretty much beat our job

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so you won't have to go too much to that we won't go out yeah we won't go out the glass guys are going

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to have to install they'll install from the inside but they'll be close to the edge but they'll shoot

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up into the deck as they go they won't be near the edge they'll have probably full protection and we'll have

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uh we'll put uh you know the clamps up into the we'll we'll we'll screw them in i see

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do it that way yeah and is ocean safety a big deal or you just kind of do that as a kind of

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no no that's uh that's like the number one deal yeah why is it so important like why is it such

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a big deal now used years ago it wasn't as up front uh the one thing is yeah safety i think

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now there's a lot more uh you know there's like more like legal ramifications of it too which is

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all good it's all positive stuff but there's a lot more uh you know something happens people too

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there's a lot of a lot more documentation of things right people being at risk people know

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their rights now there's new osha's you know fairly recent right considering the history

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empire state building guys used to fall off and they'd say next yeah yeah that's how they would

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work right and bridges and things you know you move on but um and do you have like any do you put

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together like a safety plan for the job or no buy the safety out with all the subs so in their

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contracts we obligate them to abide by all osha standards and one part of that is they submit

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their safety plan to us and then we review it but the safety is really you know we try and leave it

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with the subs as much as we can partly for liability but partly because it's some of it's like means and

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methods some of it's what they're comfortable with some of it's their you know how they operate so

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um you know like hard hats and vests like that's going to be on them to provide not that something

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happens and then they come you know it's just impossible for us to manage that level of safety

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with everyone and do you have a safety let's say coordinator somebody that just goes around and

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does yeah we have a safety coordinator that comes here probably twice a week and does walks does

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inspection does like a quick audit of things uh and then most of the subs especially like the forces

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and like the bigger subs have their own safety coordinator same thing for their own side that

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they can kind of uh again protecting liability but also protecting their guys so they'll come out and

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they'll walk it and you know yell at the guys as they see them and do you ever do what they call

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like two box talks where you go they need to submit them uh once a week oh you do once a week yeah once

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a week they got to send them to us and we collect them okay if something happens we'll usually

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anything happens we'll do like a safety stand down or we'll do i'll do a talk with the old

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foreman if something specific happens but for the most part they're submitting it to us and we're

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just reviewing it that we got it that they're having them just one last item outside of the

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scheduling does the schedule is prepared by terminal or do you guys prepare the schedule give it to them

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know the schedule that we would like the ability to be done then they go back and talk with internally

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with themselves and the representative who actually puts the schedule together and they come up with the

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schedule for us and review it and we give our nod to say yes this is fine and then they go for it but then

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when you run into issues which we have done on this project then we have to kind of

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understand how to get the schedule back in line so that's what you call it a recovery schedule

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that's something that they're actually working on for us now right yeah and um you have to go back

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and you have literally he's had he has to think ahead in terms of what's coming down the pipe next

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in terms of the other different trades and how we can kind of make the schedule up and make time up

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so when you do your schedule i guess i'm assuming you do a cpm or a bar chart or whatever

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and you you run that do you monitor it on a monthly weekly monthly basis if it if it and you you do a

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progress where you kind of like say okay here's where you are here's where you wanted to be we're

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ahead of schedule behind schedule if you have let's say they refer to like your critical path

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is that where you know she says we need to speed this job up somehow yeah and you don't know the

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critical path would it be difficult to try to accelerate the job if you don't know where to

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say zero in on points hey that we need to cut this down but this one here we got a lot of slack

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yeah they they've taken schedule they know yeah so the critical path is when there's zero flow which

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means any deviation on the critical path a day on that path is a day on the whole job

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so there's a lot of activities like uh like tying into sanitary that there's hundreds of days of

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code if i sign it now or i tie it in at the end it doesn't affect the overall job but building this

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