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Good evening,

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everybody.

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Welcome back.

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My name is Martin Reed.

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I am your city councillor for the Ward 9 area.

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That is Medivale Central Air Mills and the Medivale Business Park

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here in Mississauga.

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So I'm going to take a second for people to populate in the chat

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and then we're going to go talk about the data center,

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talk about the town hall we have planned,

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talk about what happened within Saga this week.

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I have a list of emails here that I want to get through.

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And I really do appreciate all the people and all the engagements

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that we've been doing over the last little while.

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One second here.

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See Ronnie has joined us in

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the chat.

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Hello.

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So

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tomorrow

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is

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Thursday and we are doing a town hall that

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is going to be all centered on the data center.

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Prologis has planned to do a data center in the Ward

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9 area.

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It's in the northwest corner and it's close to the Ward 10 area

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as well, the Liscar -Churchill Meadows corner of the city.

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So, excuse me,

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being sensitive to the fact that that is going to impact both.

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We've opened up our Ward 9 town hall to our Ward 10 people,

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and then we've gone online and extended to all of you.

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All we've asked is for you to register so we know who's coming,

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so we can identify and be able to send you some follow -up information after

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the fact.

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Some of the people will have some handouts,

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some slideshows,

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that sort of thing.

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If you want it, we have all the information there.

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We're going to have some...

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Cards for you to ask questions.

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And one of the things that we have been doing for the last three

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weeks now is taking questions and having

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you email them into our office.

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We've compiled many questions.

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And the reason why we wanted to get the questions ahead of time is

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because I would hate for you to show up at this town hall and get

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the answer.

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That's a good question.

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Let me get back to you in a week.

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No, I want answers now.

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I want answers in real time.

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So this is why we've done this.

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And I really appreciate all of you residents who are so engaged in this and

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are taking the time to send in your questions about water,

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energy, noise,

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generators,

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traffic,

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environment,

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shadow studies,

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planning,

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water.

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Water usage,

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water tank,

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cooling, all those different things.

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We have all those questions compiled.

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It started with 20 questions and I did an Instagram,

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sorry, I did a Facebook live on that 20 questions.

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And yeah,

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and that was our start point.

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It's grown a lot since then.

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Lots more questions have been asked.

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My learning curve on this has been tremendous.

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Thanks to all of you.

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There's a lot of super smart people in our ward.

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Very proud of the fact that people do take ownership of

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it.

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I've been trying to balance that with a lot of the fear that comes with this.

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There is some fear mongering and people have mentioned that and there's situations

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that you see in the States.

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And I was really challenged to understand

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what is different about the Canadian context.

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Because there is no real mega centers that have been built.

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I think Montreal is one of them.

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Hamilton has decided to...

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postpone theirs so lots of things are happening but there's no this

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is this would have been prologis's first project of this scale

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in canada so we really don't have a real

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context here we really don't understand

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What it means when the water table is not going to be impacted the same way that it was

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somewhere where they're not using a closed loop cycle.

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Or what it means when energy is different when they're not purchasing the

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energy directly from their power source like Electra.

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So these are the things and these are the contexts I'm trying to understand.

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And welcome your questions in the chat as well.

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But I want to give you a rundown of the day first of all.

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So tomorrow we are going to have three

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speakers and multiple people as stakeholders in the room and ready to speak.

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The way we're doing it is first person who's going to speak will

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be the city of Mississauga.

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We do a planning and development committee meeting.

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Oh,

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I'm sorry.

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I should have done this right off the bat.

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Give me a thumbs up if you can hear me.

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I want to make sure the audio is good.

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I'm good.

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Can

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you hear me okay?

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Thumbs

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up if you can hear me.

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Hello,

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Alex.

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Good?

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Assuming you guys can hear me,

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you'd say no audio or something,

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so let's jump right into it.

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Alright,

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so run of the day.

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So the town hall will be at 6pm on the

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25th,

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Thursday the 25th.

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We are going to have the planning staff as the first ones to speak.

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The first time that the data center people,

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Pearl Lodgers,

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came, it was to our Planning and Development Committee meeting for

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zoning because we needed to change the zoning for this property.

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The property was a property that was sold from

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the Hustler Farm,

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which was the last active farm in Mississauga.

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The family sold off the rest of the land,

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and Pearl Lodgers owned that swath of land around it,

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so this is just the last corner of it.

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So they need to change the zoning on it.

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So they came and they did not have all of the required

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assessments completed,

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which is normal.

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So we go through the process and then they're sent back to do a resubmission.

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At that point,

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when it came to council,

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it wasn't a time to opine on whether data centers are right or wrong.

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It's a time to show your support for the process that

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is to ensue.

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So our vote...

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at that point was to affirm that the city

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staff can continue to pursue Prologis for a water study,

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an electrical study,

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traffic,

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noise,

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all of the zoning permit processes.

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So at that point,

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they're talking about their employment and the potential and all the stuff is warm and fuzzy.

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That's great.

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But we haven't done any studies to actually look at what the economic and environmental impacts

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are going to be.

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So we supported it,

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approved it in principle for them to go do the work.

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We're supporting the staff to do the work to get

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Prologis back with a resubmission when they will do a

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submitted recommendation that goes to city staff.

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Sorry, they will do the recommendation that comes

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to council and then council then makes...

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a decision on approving the data center.

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Okay,

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so planning staff gets support

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to meet with the data center.

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Data center does all of their work.

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They resubmit,

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they come back to the planning committee,

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and then the process moves on to the next step.

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And they still have to get a site plan approval,

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and they still have other hurdles to jump over.

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But this is the first step.

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The step that we're at right now is they

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have been sent back to the drawing board.

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Now,

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provincially,

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the only thing that they need to do is put

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out a notice to say that they're building something and

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go to the PDC meeting.

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And the PDC meeting counts as their public meeting.

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So when you go to a PDC meeting,

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that counts as a public meeting,

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but that doesn't mean that they have to come before the community.

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So I felt that it was important that they come before the community and have questions

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answered at that point.

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So that is why we're doing this meeting.

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So the first part of the meeting that you'll see when you come on Thursday is

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that it will be the planning and development committee,

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almost like a mini meeting where our planners will...

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talk to what the actual plan is and what it is that ProLog

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is submitted.

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So they're going to talk specifically about the building.

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So when you residents are saying,

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well, what about noise from the building?

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The building has to conform to the building code.

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It has to conform to the Mississauga bylaws.

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So the noise from that building cannot be more than the noise on any other

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industrial size building.

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The decibel level from that building has to conform to every other building

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in the area.

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So a data center gets no special exemption for being louder.

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That being said,

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it's also...

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The highway.

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So the highway is going to create more noise than the building itself.

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That's an example of something that they will address in the meeting.

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So Prologis will be next.

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And Prologis is going to speak technically to the building.

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They will speak to what the cooling system is.

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They'll speak to how the energy is going to be taken for the building.

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They'll speak to the generators,

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when the generators will come on,

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what they're going to do,

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what the context is there.

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You've heard me say in other meetings perhaps that the context is different

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here where they are purchasing the energy grid.

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So the energy usage...

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is not one that's going to drain from the main grid that is used

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for the neighborhood.

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They have a separate grid for that that they're purchasing separately from Electra.

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So therefore,

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they're not going to get the same drain where generators are running

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on the hour like we've read about other places.

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So there's a lot of learning that has happened,

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a lot of technology that has changed,

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and this is what they're saying.

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So at this point...

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So Prologis will now talk about technically what's going to be in this building,

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what the data center is going to look like.

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The city staff will speak to the physical outside

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of the building.

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Prologis is almost like a tenant and they're going to find,

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they have someone who's going to be using the data center.

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They haven't disclosed who that tenant is going to be,

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whether it's going to be,

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I don't know who it would be,

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but they haven't disclosed that information.

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But that will determine what the inside of the building looks like.

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We ask questions about employment.

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Now, at the time,

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and as we're learning this,

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the idea was that there was going to be massive employment.

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We know now 50 jobs is what they're talking about.

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security, maintenance,

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people overseeing the machines,

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not a lot of jobs.

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Not like down the street,

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Lululemon may have hundreds of jobs and shifts and that sort of thing.

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So there is not the economic employment impact

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other than the build of the building that you'll see in terms of that.

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And they have said that there will be a local contracting,

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local processes for the building.

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And for those of you in the chat that know the former councillor,

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Pat Sato,

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she has worked with Prologis in the past.

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and they are good to work with.

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They've been very responsive.

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So there's a lot of positive

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feedback I've heard about them as a builder.

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So now a data center is a different beast altogether.

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So we're taking that with a grain of salt.

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We're asking the questions.

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We're getting the staff to be very thorough with their assessments.

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After...

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After the Prologis team has done their piece,

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the third part of the night will be the question and answer period.

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Now,

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for weeks you have been sending in questions.

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We've been forwarding these questions to city staff,

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to the region of Peel because they're doing the water,

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to Electra because they're looking at electrical.

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So the answers are not going to be just answers from Prologis.

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These are answers from the experts who are not invested in...

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uh making this a reality they're concerned about water they're concerned about energy

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they're concerned about whatever it is that they're dedicated to i'll

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have all these questions uh we've given them to them so that their engineers can answer

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um engineers from electro are going to answer all those different things so

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we're making it more wholesome and it's not like i was trying to guard and

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trying to prevent people from asking questions there'll be time for that as well and

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it's not like i'm trying to be secretive with it i want answers

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I'm not trying to guard the questions that are being asked.

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I'm trying to get answers.

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And if you ask a hard technical question and the government relations

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person is there,

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they're going to say,

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if that's a good question,

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let me get back to the engineer and get you an answer in three days.

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We've given them questions ahead of time so they can answer the questions in real time.

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So we'll go through those questions,

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and with those people in the room,

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we can then top those questions,

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top those answers up.

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So let's say,

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for example, I ask a question about water.

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They could say,

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oh, it's just a closed -loop system,

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but the region appeals there,

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and they could say, well,

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actually, this is what happens,

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and this is what we need to see.

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Before they come back to council,

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they need to be able to answer how much water is going to be used.

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If they can't answer on the spot because of whatever the case is,

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it's going to be a no.

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There is no way that I'm approving anything,

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following any recommendation for anything that is going to hurt our community,

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that they're going to give us a vague general answer,

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that they're going to give us an estimation where they can come back later

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and just use this to get in the door and then change all the metrics when they get in.

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Those things are not going to fly.

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We will answer questions.

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And then through the course of the night,

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because the planning staff have been doing their part,

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Prologis has been doing their part.

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We've answered all.

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your questions we'll be keeping track and hopefully we would have touched environment electrical

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water and all those different things but i'm still going to open the floor i

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want to open the floor for questions that haven't been asked and if

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you've ever come to council there is a way that is done where we're just

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really encouraging people that if they have a different kind

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of question

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Let's ask that question.

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I'll give you an example.

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If we've been talking about water all night because people have been really concerned

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about water and toxins in the water and evaporation and the

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closed loop cycle and if it's 20 ,000 liters,

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if it's going to go up to 50 ,000 liters once they start and all those different things,

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we've hit that from every single angle.

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Then if someone asks a question about water,

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I'm sorry,

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we're going to have to move on to the next question.

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But at the same time,

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if someone asks a question about scope creep,

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about what if they're going to buy the rest of the farm?

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What if they're going to try and build another story?

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What if they're going to try and buy the area across the street?

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Those are questions that we want to answer,

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and those are questions that we want to guard against.

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And that is one of the things that we're working on right now.

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I'm going to talk about this tomorrow at the meeting,

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but I'll tell you this here as you're online with me today.

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And I thank you for all my friends who are joining me.

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One of the other things that I'm working on right now is a motion that

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we can bring to council as a guardrail for our

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future data centers that are going to be built in the city.

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If they're going to try and come in and build,

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we want to make sure that we have the proper guardrails so that it cannot be one

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of these doom and gloom stories that we read online.

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So I respect all of the questions and

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all the concerns.

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I am concerned about them as well.

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I live in this neighborhood.

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I've lived here for my whole life except for going after university.

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So I get it.

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And as your elected official,

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I'd like to think that...

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I have been a person that listens,

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that gives opportunity for

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people to speak,

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that makes myself available,

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and that can stand corrected and

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say when I need to make a pivot or I've learned something new

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or I have another perspective.

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I

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was going to do a thing where I read all the mean tweets from the week,

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but you know what?

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I'm not even going to give it airtime.

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Because I believe that I'm not here because...

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Someone is lining my pocket or someone is paying my way or I'm manipulative

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or sneaky or whatever people would put out there.

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I'm here because I grew up here.

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I serve here.

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It's been over 35 years that I've been serving

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this community in different capacities.

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I've been serving in an elected capacity for four years.

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So my objective is to continue to serve with or

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without a title.

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I'm a leader in this community with or without a title because I serve.

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So this decision is not taken lightly.

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And this decision is one that is being done very thoughtfully.

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And whether we're making a decision on a pothole,

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a bike lane,

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a snow removal,

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a cannabis store in the city,

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there is a process that I will go through.

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And the cannabis store example is one that I want to camp

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out on for a moment.

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Because I was not on council when the city of Mississauga made

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a decision the first time on cannabis stores.

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There was a green wave where the province was offering a

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bag of money to any municipality that wants to be first to market,

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open their doors for cannabis sales.

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And the city of Mississauga said,

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we'll wait.

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We will wait.

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We will learn.

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We'll understand what's going on.

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And then later,

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it came back to counsel when I was on counsel.

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And during that time,

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as much as I've never tried cannabis in my life,

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never tried marijuana,

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never smoked.

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As an athlete,

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those are things I did not do.

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I wanted to understand why.

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I wanted to understand therapeutic -wise.

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I wanted to understand leisure -wise.

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I wanted to understand all those different things.

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I drove to Milton,

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Georgetown,

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Guelph,

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asked questions,

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interviewed people.

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I went above and beyond just to understand the context so

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I can make an informed decision.

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I am elected to make informed decisions in the interest of my neighborhood

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with due process.

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I don't care if that sounds political.

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That's how I make every decision in my life.

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My wife can tell you I'm not a spontaneous person.

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I do my research.

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As Hazel says,

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I do my homework.

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So when it came to that topic,

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I was out,

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met people,

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asked questions, and we made an informed decision.

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the same.

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So when people came with scare tactics and told me what was happening in

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Arkansas, I was like,

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I'm not going to buy that.

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I'm going to actually understand what it means for Mississauga.

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And when someone came to me and said,

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you know that they meant this,

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but this is true,

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and this is actually not true,

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that has given me pause.

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Kurt just came into the chat.

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I had a great conversation with Kurt this week.

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When we were talking about how we're going to do this,

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I realized that there's people who are upset that...

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It was going to be a 6 p .m.

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on a Thursday.

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And they're like,

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how dare you do it on a Thursday?

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People coming home from work.

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I was like, okay, fine.

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I want to have different times and different touch points with people.

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So I used an afternoon.

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I sat down in Tim Hortons for two and a half hours,

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almost three hours,

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and let people pass through.

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And I had some really pivotal conversations with people.

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Open my eyes.

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Make me think about things in a different perspective.

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That is why we're here.

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And that's why I'm here.

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To be accessible to you as your elected official.

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I'm here to represent you.

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I'm not going to just sit in my ivory tower and make decisions.

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And then have the audacity to set a meeting with everything

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decided ahead of time.

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So when you come.

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in the chat and say every decision has been made,

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he's already paid off,

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they're lining his pockets,

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blah, blah, blah.

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Not true.

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Not true.

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I like to pride myself on the fact

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that I can listen.

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I have a master's degree in counseling.

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I was paid to listen.

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I'm passionate about listening,

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getting informed,

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making a decision.

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That being said,

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my conversation with Kurt was a great one.

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And we looked at things from a different perspective.

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I had a conversation with a guy named Mark.

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And he was saying,

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okay, well, we talk about what about if it gets bigger.

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The question is,

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what if it gets smaller?

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What if microcomputers,

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what if they try and double the number of processors?

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Which means they double the need for water.

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Which means that they double the need for energy.

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And then we don't see that.

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What if they get this clearance?

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to build and then they change your mind and decide to buy and do

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more things what safeguards are in place what ramifications can we shut

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them down can we find them can we make sure that this is safe if it moves forward

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and if we can't we don't if it's not we don't yes

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this has a different sound than the conversation that we had a couple weeks ago because

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i'm learning because i'm looking at it from different perspectives so that

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being said i received an email

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on June 17th.

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On June 17th,

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