Criminal defense attorney: What would her motive be if it wasn't severe mental illness?

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My next guest has worked with Lindsay Clancy's attorney,

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and he has also handled postpartum murder cases.

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He has represented,

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among many others,

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Daniel Penny,

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who you all remember.

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We covered that story quite a bit.

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The Marine veteran who used a chokehold on Jordan Neely on a New

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York City subway three years ago.

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Penny said he was protecting himself and the other riders.

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Prosecutors said that he acted too forcefully.

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The jury deadlocked on the manslaughter.

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and cleared him of criminally negligent homicide.

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So Tom has lots of experience in many different kinds

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of cases.

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He's the founding partner of Razor Kenneth and Lonstein,

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and he joins me now,

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also an Army JAG officer.

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Tom,

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good to have you with us today.

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When you look at this,

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you know,

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do you think the prosecution,

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I know you're a defense attorney,

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but what do you think of how the prosecution has handled this case?

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Yeah, they've made some what I consider some eyebrow raising moves

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here, you know,

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trying to argue that the suicide attempt was orchestrated,

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you know,

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and trying to argue that,

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you know,

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Lindsay Clancy,

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you know,

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was operating under some sort of motive without

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really defining what would her motive be if it wasn't.

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severe mental illness.

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I mean, what would anyone have to gain about doing something so dastardly?

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So, you know,

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if I was them,

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they should have tried this case by,

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you know,

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evoking some compassion,

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some sympathy for the defendant.

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I know that sounds strange because it's an adversarial system,

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but do so in a fashion and say,

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you know, ladies and gentlemen,

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the jury, you know, while we may feel for this mother.

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and what she's experienced,

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you know, she still must be held accountable.

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Something like that rather than

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this, you know,

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what I think is just in some ways a scorched -earth approach.

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So tell me your thoughts on Kevin Reddington.

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Here is his reaction when he was asked by Brian Yannis

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whether or not Lindsey Clancy will be taking the stand.

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Watch.

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IS LINDSEY CLANCE GOING TO TAKE THE STAND AT ALL?

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HAVE YOU MADE THAT DECISION?

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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN LAW SCHOOL,

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101,

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YOU HAVE WHAT THEY CALL ATTORNEY CLAN PRIVILEGE,

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AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS RESPECT,

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SO I DON'T GET INTO THAT STUFF,

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ESPECIALLY NOT TRIAL TACTICS.

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ALL RIGHT,

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SO IF YOU WERE IN HIS SHOOT,

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FIRST OF ALL,

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WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT HIM?

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YOU KNOW,

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DO YOU THINK HE'S DOING A GOOD JOB?

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AND WHAT ABOUT PUTTING LINDSEY ON THE STAND?

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Well, Kevin's doing a great job.

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Kevin's been around a long time,

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and he's, as I think you can kind of see from that soundbite,

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and it's certainly my experience working with him.

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We had a very sad case,

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sad for different reasons,

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on Cape Cod last year.

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And he's kind of reached the point in his career where he just doesn't care

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anymore.

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He's not worried about who he offends.

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He cares about his clients,

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and he goes to bat with them,

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but he's not worried about making friends.

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And I think you saw that there.

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And as far as his comment...

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You know, despite the bombast,

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he's right on in the sense that that's the very last

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decision you make in a criminal case,

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whether you're going to put your client on the stand or not.

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You may prepare them for it,

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but you don't make the decision until you absolutely have to,

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which is right before the defense rests.

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And do you think he will?

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I don't,

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because, you know,

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I think that the jury already has seen enough in this

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trial that if they're going to feel her remorse,

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to feel her regret,

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and she's not really a competent witness to talk about.

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whether she was in psychosis or not,

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because usually,

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I mean, someone who's in psychosis,

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they're not even going to have a recollection of what occurred.

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I mean, that's been my experience with representing,

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sadly,

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defendants,

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mothers who've been in the exact same position as her.

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You know,

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that's going to be for the experts and the jury to decide,

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or the jury to decide after listening to the experts and the evidence.

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Understood.

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Understood.

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Tom Kniff,

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thank you very much.

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A man of many talents,

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also the author of the new book.

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the new novel,

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Tuxedo Park.

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So, Tom, thank you very much for joining us today.

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Tough story,

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tough case to be sure.

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Thank you so much, Martha.

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