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What's happening,
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dawg?
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What's up,
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brother?
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Nothing.
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Nothing.
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All right, how many seconds in are we?
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We are,
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let's see,
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counting the intro,
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we're a minute and three seconds.
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Oh,
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man.
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Six more seconds,
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and this podcast will be as long as the Conor McGregor fight the other night.
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Ouch.
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Yeah.
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All right,
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we're there. Okay,
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well, this one's over.
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The thing is,
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I hope you enjoyed it.
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Conor McGregor made like $30 million for his minute
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and 12 seconds or whatever it was.
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So we're going to make 30 times that?
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Is that what you're telling me?
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I don't think so.
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But you don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's possible.
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All things are possible with the Lord,
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but not all things are likely.
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So you're saying this one's not likely?
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Not likely.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Fair enough.
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So I just feel like we need to temper expectations a little bit.
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Fair enough.
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How are you this evening?
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I'm good.
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I'm good.
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Good.
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It was just a regular old day.
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Nothing crazy happened.
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It's a gorgeous night in the shadow valley.
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Man,
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after the heat we've had riding over here,
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I actually got a little chilly and it was fabulous.
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I loved it.
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That's cool.
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And it's kind of cool in here,
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actually.
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It is kind of cool in here because I forgot to turn the air conditioning back up after we
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were watching said Conor McGregor fight.
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Man,
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I got that cold in here in 69 seconds.
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Yes.
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We were watching the couple hours of commentary and commercials before
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the fight.
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And most importantly,
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we were eating some delicious,
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delicious seafood.
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Well,
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we ate the seafood before.
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We were eating delicious ice cream and cobbler in here.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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We had a good old -fashioned low country boil.
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Oh,
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man.
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Us and some other guys.
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Then we came in and watched the old fight.
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Yeah.
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It was a good night.
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It was a very good night.
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It was very good food,
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very good cobbler.
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Yep.
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Decent company.
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Decent company.
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Terrible last fight.
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Terrible main event.
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Yep.
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Quite a few of the fights leading up to it were pretty good.
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Yeah, but main event,
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not so much.
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Not so much.
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Quite a letdown after the UFC 250.
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Yeah.
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That was pretty fun.
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We really swung the pendulum on that particular.
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Yes,
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we did.
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Yeah.
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But it's all good.
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It's all good.
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It's all good. It's all good.
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The good news is we got to go to bed earlier.
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Yes, we did.
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That's true.
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That was good because we had church the next morning.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So, yeah.
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And everybody was on time.
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Yes, everyone was on time.
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Well, everyone who was here watching the fight was on time.
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Yes, that is true.
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That is true.
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So, yeah,
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yeah, yeah.
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So, sounds like you're having a good week so far?
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Yeah,
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it's just getting started.
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I know you've got a little trip out for
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CBC annual meeting and worship conference.
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There you go, annual meeting and worship conference,
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yep. Yep,
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yep.
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Headed to Johnstown,
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Pennsylvania.
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Pennsylvania.
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Yep,
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so...
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Pretty excited about that.
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It's going to be a good time.
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Nice.
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And the whole family's going,
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right? Whole fam's going.
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Sweet.
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Well, Ethan's not going,
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but everybody else is going.
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Gotcha.
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Okay. So he's staying with his grandmother.
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Okay.
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Everybody else is going.
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So it should be fun.
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Yeah, it should be a good time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm excited about it.
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I'm telling you,
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man, I'm in a sprint of a couple weeks,
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though.
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Yeah.
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Because last week we had summer camp all week.
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True.
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And then Thursday,
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Friday, and Saturday I had to do all my church stuff that I wasn't doing because I was at camp.
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Then annual meeting is this week.
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Baptisms are on Sunday.
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And then vacation Bible school is next week.
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Oh, snap.
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You're right.
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So it's like three weeks of a dead sprint,
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dog. You're going to need a vacation.
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Yeah.
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Right after Bible school is over.
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Oh, no, wait.
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That's me.
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I'm going on vacation.
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You're so funny.
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You're so funny.
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I think it's great.
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Whatever.
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You know,
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we're going to see how this goes,
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but this might have to become a thing where we'd take vacation the week after Bible school.
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Yeah?
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Yeah.
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I think that's a great idea.
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Growing up,
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vacation Bible school was...
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extremely uh a big thing in our home church and that's what most people
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actually that the teachers and stuff a lot of them would do that okay so we always close
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saturday morning with a carnival for the kids oh and a lot of times it
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was like folks folks were packing up from the carnival and they were getting in their cars and going to the beach and then like
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that sunday like nobody was a church huh heathens yeah
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well i mean vacationing heathens okay so
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it's good yeah it's good so yeah
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So we talked about everybody's favorite topic on Sunday.
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Sin.
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Sin.
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There's a pastor I know almost
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every time you ask him,
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what are you preaching on on Sunday?
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He'll say sin.
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And you say, what kind of sin?
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He'll say the good kind.
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Speaking of sin,
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before we get into this,
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let me just say that.
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The way Riley was acting was causing me to want
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to sin.
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Ah.
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So I missed a lot of the sermon because Riley was having
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a little Riley moment.
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Yeah.
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A Riley moment.
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Yep.
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Yep. And it lasted most of the day.
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He was in a funk.
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I don't know.
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It was weird.
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Well,
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you'll have some of this.
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Yeah, it happens.
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It happens.
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It happens.
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It happens.
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I hate that it happened on a Sunday.
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Yeah.
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That's usually when it happens,
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though. For some reason.
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But it's all good.
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I get that.
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I know you still have some sermon thoughts
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that you didn't get out on Sunday.
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Time was gone,
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dude. I looked up and it was like...
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I try to be very judicious with time.
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I really try to not go over.
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But I think we got started a little late on Sunday.
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We did.
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Announcements took a little bit.
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Riley's opening took a little bit.
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Riley's opening took a little bit.
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Prayer and praises took a little bit.
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We had an anointing.
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So,
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yeah.
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And I really do try to...
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I really do try to keep us on track as far as time goes.
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And so I still had a good third of
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a sermon that was still in the chamber.
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I felt like I ended really abruptly.
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Well, guess what?
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But it was sort of one of those things where I was either going to end where I ended or we were going to be there for another 10,
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15 minutes.
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Those are kind of the only two options.
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Well, guess what?
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What's that?
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You got at least 10 minutes to break that down right now.
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Maybe.
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If you want.
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I mean, we could.
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It's up to you.
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Up to you, brother.
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So, yeah.
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No,
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go ahead.
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So,
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sin.
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We talked about sin.
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Sin's bad.
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Sin is bad,
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okay? Whip.
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We're done.
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We're done.
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That was good.
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So anyway,
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we talked about sin,
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and specifically it was battling sinful habits.
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And so the subject of the sermon wasn't just about like,
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you know,
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Little sin.
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It was like sins that we find ourselves like habitual patterns of sin.
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I think we all have things that – Like pet peeve sin
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is what the word I always – or the phrase I use.
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Right, right, right.
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Got the little pet peeve.
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Yeah.
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And so that's specifically what we talked about.
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And so the ideas on Sunday were,
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well, how do we stand against – how do we fight against,
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battle against sinful habits?
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Well, we own our sin.
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We confess that it is something we struggle with and we don't try to push it off like,
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oh, the devil made me do it or it was an accident.
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And then we kill what's killing you.
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So we talked about radical steps that we have to take to
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break sin in our lives.
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And then we talked about...
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uh, removing the triggers or installing trigger guards.
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And we talked about how,
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um, and this,
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this was kind of where I,
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I really wanted to spend,
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I had a whole nother one that we didn't get to talk about.
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Um, maybe we'll talk about it here in a second,
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but, you know,
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kind of stop there.
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You know, this idea of that sometimes it's not actually the sin that we
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need to address.
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It's what leads to the sin,
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putting ourselves in a position to succeed.
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And so how do you stop sin?
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Well, sometimes it's realizing,
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oh, if I do this,
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it always causes me to sin or it always causes me to have this struggle
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in my life.
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So I probably shouldn't do that anymore.
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Yeah.
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Just those things.
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So that makes perfect sense.
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Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
And,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
you know, one of the things we learned that from was foster
9:28
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Speaker 1 (23low)
care is they talk about antecedents.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
And so say that word again.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Antecedents.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Antecedents.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
So you don't just correct the behavior of the child,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
but sometimes you have to address the antecedent,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
that maybe there's something that's triggering that child that's making them do that.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
So one of the examples was one of our children.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
We didn't realize it at the time,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
but we didn't know where he lived originally,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
and we would go through Broadway a particular way,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
and he would always freak out.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
like just go crazy and we never knew and
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Speaker 2 (23low)
we never knew and then when we looked at the court documents we realized that we were driving past the
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Speaker 2 (23low)
house where a lot of his abuse happened and he didn't know that
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Speaker 2 (23low)
because he didn't but like his body was just like
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Speaker 2 (23low)
used to go in this way and so when we drove past the house subconsciously he would freak out
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Speaker 2 (23low)
and then we realized oh so we would just take another way whenever we went through broadway and
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Speaker 2 (23low)
he was fine wow but just the idea of like going through that house subconsciously made
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Speaker 2 (23low)
him huh yeah
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Wow.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
So you fix the antecedent so that he doesn't get in that position
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Speaker 1 (23low)
again.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Huh.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Okay.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Right?
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
it makes sense.
10:39
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Yeah. If you have trouble drinking and
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Speaker 2 (23low)
you always go to the same store to buy your alcohol,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
don't go to that store anymore and maybe it would help.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Just things like that.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah.
10:49
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I don't know.
10:51
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Thoughts about sinful habits?
10:53
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Speaker 2 (23low)
If not,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
we can go into the last thing that I was talking about.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
I don't know.
10:56
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Any things you're gleaning?
10:58
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
I mean, in the world today,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
there are tons of habits that are
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Speaker 1 (23low)
seen as just normal,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
not bad.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
So it's real easy to...
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Speaker 1 (23low)
you know,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
fall into those and it's everybody else is doing,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
it's perfectly okay.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
You know,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
it's just a thing that you do.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Um,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
so it's very easy to just go along with that and just be
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Speaker 1 (23low)
part of the world in that.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Um,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
and then once you recognize that you're,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
that God is convicting you and you need to,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
to lay that,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
lay that down and get rid of that part of your life,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
it's very hard then to,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
um,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
to break that because it is so normal for
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Speaker 1 (23low)
so many other people.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Um,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
so,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
I mean, you might lose relationships,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
lose friendships,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
um,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
you know,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
by, by separating yourself from what,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
what's the word like,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
that you just used antecedents yeah by by not putting yourself in those
12:05
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Speaker 2 (23low)
situations anymore yeah um well that's the idea of so in in
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Speaker 2 (23low)
matthew 5 we spend a lot of time matthew 5 29 30 you know that's where jesus is
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Speaker 2 (23low)
if your hand causes you to sin you should cut it off if your eye calls you to sin you should pluck
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Speaker 2 (23low)
it out i mean that sounds radical and it is yeah but jesus wasn't necessarily
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Speaker 2 (23low)
talking literally but you know some hyperbole there metaphorically um
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Speaker 2 (23low)
and but the idea of like i mentioned this a little bit on something like
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Speaker 2 (23low)
But if we actually normalize that kind of seriousness about sin,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
then it's not radical anymore.
12:34
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Right?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And I mean, so,
12:37
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I mean, just look at it in our society.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Some of the sin that now is normal in our society 20
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Speaker 2 (23low)
years ago is radical.
12:44
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Oh,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
absolutely.
12:45
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah, yeah, okay.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
But now it's normal because enough people have said this is how we are going to handle these things.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Right?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
So what if we went the opposite way and we just said,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
you know what?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
this is a normal Christian response to these sorts of things,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
then it's not radical in a generation.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
It's just how you handle it.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And I do think that we have to
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Speaker 2 (23low)
think about some of these things like,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
oh,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
well, I can't imagine living my life.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Let's just say there's somebody who is struggling.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Let's take pornography.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
We used this for an example the other week.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Let's use pornography as an example.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
So if you're having a problem looking at pornography on
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Speaker 2 (23low)
your cell phone,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
and you just get rid of a smartphone. You get a flip phone.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And if that's a normal response,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
like I'm struggling with this and I'm not going to do this any longer,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
so this is how I'm going to do this,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
if every guy who has a problem with that does that,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
then that just becomes a normal response.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And it's not like,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
oh, well, look at that crazy guy.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
He's got a flip phone.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And that's just one of the things we do.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
There was a period in my life,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I said before,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I struggled with pornography early in my early 20s.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I didn't have internet at my house for that very reason because I was living
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Speaker 2 (23low)
by myself and I was alone and knew that was a struggle
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Speaker 1 (23low)
for me.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And when I was trying to stop using,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I just didn't have internet at my house.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
If I wanted to use the internet,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I'd have to go over to my parents or go somewhere else to use it because that was a struggle.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Right?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And it was inconvenient,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
but that was kind of the point.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
You know what I mean?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And so there are those things that I think we as people
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Speaker 2 (23low)
of Christ need to really look at.
14:27
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Yeah, it seems kind of radical,
14:29
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Speaker 2 (23low)
and it is a big step to do that.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
But like Jesus said,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
you're probably better off,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
to put it in modern -day terms,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
it would be better for you to not have an iPhone.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
than to go to hell and have an iPhone in your hand.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
There you go.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
I feel like we're reading the message now.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
That's right.
14:44
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Speaker 2 (23low)
The passion translation.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah, the passion.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
There you go.
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Speaker 1 (23low)
That's it.
14:46
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
So I don't know.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Just those things of if it's causing you to do those things.
14:51
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Yeah.
14:51
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Speaker 2 (23low)
You know what I mean?
14:52
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
no, that's great.
14:55
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Speaker 1 (23low)
No. And it's really a great example
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Speaker 1 (23low)
that you're talking about.
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Speaker 3 (23low)
Because, I mean,
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Speaker 3 (23low)
men specifically,
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Speaker 1 (23low)
like,
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Speaker 3 (23low)
that is the thing that's everywhere.
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Speaker 4 (23low)
Right.
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Speaker 3 (23low)
Everywhere you look.
15:09
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Right.
15:09
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Speaker 4 (23low)
Well,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
and like even, you know,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I use the example on Sunday.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
That's one thing I've told Aiden and Elijah.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Aiden and Elijah both have girlfriends.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
They've been dating for a while now.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
They are 16 -year -old boys.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
And I've said to them,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
like, if you don't put yourself in a position to get into sexual sin.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
then you won't have to worry about that.
15:26
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Sure.
15:26
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Speaker 2 (23low)
If you are keeping everything,
15:28
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Speaker 2 (23low)
you know, if you're hanging out where your mom and I are and you're in common
15:32
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Speaker 2 (23low)
spaces, it's not because we don't trust you.
15:34
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Speaker 2 (23low)
It's not because we think you're going to intentionally do something that's wrong.
15:38
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Speaker 2 (23low)
But how do you fight that?
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Speaker 2 (23low)
That's a trigger guard,
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Speaker 2 (23low)
right? You don't put yourself in a position.
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Speaker 3 (23low)
Don't put yourself in the situation.
15:45
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Speaker 1 (23low)
Right.
15:45
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Exactly.
15:46
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Exactly.
15:46
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Speaker 2 (23low)
Yeah.
15:48
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Speaker 2 (23low)
The piece that I didn't get to get to on Sunday and.
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Speaker 2 (23low)
I thought about maybe looping this back around later on this week,
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