Edgar Broughton

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Hi,

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is

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that Edgar?

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Yeah,

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speaking.

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Hi, it's Richard here.

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Just calling about the interview,

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Edgar, if that's still okay.

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Hello?

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Hello?

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Hi.

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Yeah, yeah,

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that's fine,

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yeah. Yeah, great.

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So I just...

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along the coast road to West Bay,

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but, you know,

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we can still talk.

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Of course,

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yeah, no, that would be great,

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yeah. No,

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I've been looking into a bit of your history and certainly the relationship with

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David, but what started me off was I was in the Café Royal,

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I was doing a story about it,

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and they had a picture of you with David from the night in 1973,

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The Last Supper,

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but they'd wrongly...

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uh attribute they suggested you were cat stevens so i i kind of

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i told the pr person to change it uh so hopefully they'll do

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that i'll let you know um and it just struck me i thought it would be great to chat

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with you about the night i've tried to uh get in touch with a few different

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people about it there's a big mystery

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Yeah, well, I mean, I don't really remember.

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where we first met uh david and myself at all um

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but he he liked

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Him and Angie used to say my voice was the voice of the devil.

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Because I used to sort

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of do a fairly decent beef heart sort of version of things

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in those days.

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I remember one time we played at

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the Brighton Dome and we were topping the bill and the

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promoter had got his little local band on.

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So basically it was David on...

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Anyway, so then the support band went on,

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you know, the promoter's kind of local band.

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And they wouldn't come off.

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So I sent our roadies on to pull the power,

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and they pulled the power on them.

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hustled them off the stage.

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And that meant that our set was somewhat shortened.

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David came on for our Out Demons Out,

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which was kind of the last thing we used to do,

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to sing with us and stuff.

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And the local council pulled the power

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on us.

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And we carried on,

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David and me with tambourines.

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My brother playing the drums,

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and I think the bass player,

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you know, and the guitarist chanting along.

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Over the time,

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you know, and I think the police came,

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a couple of policemen,

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and I think we stopped there.

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And David and I both got a letter from Bright

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Council saying that we were barred for life from

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the Bright.

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And,

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you know,

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I don't keep memorabilia,

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really. I'm not one of those people.

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Yeah.

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But years later,

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David,

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he was going through all sorts

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of problems and stuff.

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And without internet then or mobile phones,

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he couldn't get hold of me.

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He wanted me to play guitar on a track called The Candidate.

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By the time it was

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due to be recorded,

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he cancelled everything and went to Switzerland.

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And had some kind of breakdown.

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He was quite ill then,

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you know.

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Very,

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very poor mental health,

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I think, at that stage.

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Yes.

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And then I went to see a few gigs with him.

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And that night,

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our manager,

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our personal manager at the time,

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was very friendly with some of the crew and David.

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And he got tickets for the last gig in Hammersmith.

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Oh, yeah.

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Uh -huh.

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And that was extraordinary.

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I remember David going to the microphone halfway

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through the gig.

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It was a fabulous gig.

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Albert wasn't my favourite,

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the Ziggy Stardust thing.

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I like the Berlin stuff.

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But he went

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on the microphone and he said,

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oh,

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you've been really lovely,

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everybody.

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By the way,

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he said, this is the last time you'll see the Spiders from Mars.

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And they just looked at each other,

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the band.

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They had no idea at all that this was

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the last gig.

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So we all trundled off to the Café

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Royale and had the most incredible...

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incredible night i mean it was just fabulous you know just a

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super place super people you know and um yeah

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chatting with everybody

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Yeah.

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Can you remember sort of any of the,

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because when you look at the guest list and you think,

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you know,

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there's Mick Jagger's there and,

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you know,

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Lou Reed and all these sort of people connected,

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Bianca Jagger,

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of course.

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And I think there's a moment from what I've read where there's

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a press photographer gathers a few of you together and you're one of the people.

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I don't know if you remember that moment,

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but certainly everyone looks very happy in the picture.

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Yeah.

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The guy who took the photograph was a guy called Mick Rock.

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Oh, was it Mick Rock?

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Right.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, he took the picture.

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And David insisted that I was in the picture.

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Yeah.

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They were more or less together.

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I mean, somebody came looking for me and said,

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David wants you in the picture.

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You've got to come quickly,

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right? So I did.

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Yeah.

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But it was nice.

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I mean, the person that,

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I mean,

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Jack was his usual self,

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you know, sort of.

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A bit boring,

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actually, to be honest.

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Yeah.

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But Bianca was really,

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really nice,

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really interesting.

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I had a long chat with her.

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Yeah.

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Mostly about politics,

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actually. Oh, okay.

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And,

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yeah,

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I mean,

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I chatted with almost everybody that was there.

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Yeah.

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Ringo was nice.

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He was really cool.

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Yeah.

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He probably doesn't remember me,

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but I remember him.

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Yeah, I mean,

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what about Angie Boy herself?

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What was she like?

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Angie,

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yeah,

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of course,

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in the end,

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you couldn't mention her to David.

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Yes.

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He just would go quiet.

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You'd leave the room and he would stop talking to you.

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Yes.

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They had a very acrimonious fallout.

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Yes,

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yes.

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But I liked her.

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And of course,

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it has to be said that Angie was probably

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the chief component in David's.

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Yes,

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yes.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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right.

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Really?

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Yeah,

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I bet.

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Yeah.

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You can't do this.

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If you can't tap time,

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you can't be in a band.

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Yeah.

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Anyway,

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she persevered.

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And I remember there was this American guitarist,

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and he used to take her stash.

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That was the little girl to school.

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Yeah.

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And I think he got sick of it in the end.

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He said, I'm just a babysitter.

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He said, I'm going home.

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I mean,

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she was fabulous.

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Absolutely gorgeous.

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I remember once.

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Yeah.

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My wife and I went out,

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and we left her with...

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My son, Luke,

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who was just a little kid.

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And he was absolutely fanatical about toys,

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toy cars.

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And he had all these cars.

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When we got back,

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he'd made her write a price

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label for every single car.

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He'd got to cut the hundred.

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And they were all laid out on the floor.

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And it was an American car lot.

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Yeah.

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She said she'd had one of the best times ever,

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you know.

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Wow. So she was extraordinary.

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She was a proper rock chick.

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Yeah.

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But she had a really lovely human side to her as well.

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And I was really fond of her.

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Yeah.

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But I never talked to David about it because he would just shut up

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and leave you.

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He'd just walk off.

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Yeah.

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He could be very strange,

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David.

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Yeah.

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Tell me more about your friendship with Dave.

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Did you keep in touch after the sort of Ziggy period later on,

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like into Berlin and that sort of period of time?

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Not really,

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no.

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You know,

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he sort of,

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he almost started again with people.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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I mean,

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the fighters from Mars,

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for example, I mean...

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Oh, God,

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what's his name?

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The guitarist.

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Oh, Mick Ronson,

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yeah. Yeah.

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Mick Ronson.

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This is extraordinary,

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right? This is the kind of guy David was,

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although I really liked him.

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Yeah.

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They were on a plane going to an American tour,

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and Mick Ronson was sitting next to the keyboard player who'd been sort of...

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He'd been recruited for this tour.

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Yes.

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And Nick very nicely,

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because he was a lovely guy,

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he asked him,

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he said, you're all right.

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He said, you're looking forward to it.

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You're being looked after.

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Is the money all right?

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The guy said,

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oh, yeah, yeah.

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He said, money's fantastic.

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He said, I'm getting.

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I told him,

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you know, he'd never earned that kind of money before.

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Yeah.

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And David was going to pay this guy because I think it was the way to get him on board.

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He's paid him more than Nick.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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gosh, yeah.

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Actually,

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I don't know if you know this,

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but when Nick died,

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when he was really ill,

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his wife was scratching around looking for money

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to get him sort of private prescription drugs.

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Yes.

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I thought,

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you know,

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that's not right.

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That's not right.

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You're a multimillionaire living over the water,

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you know, in Berlin and America.

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Yes.

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And this guy who...

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The other thing was that Mick arranged nearly

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everything, all the songs.

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He wrote string parts.

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He played piano.

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And he's not credited with it.

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No, it is a shame because I think without Mick Ronson,

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I think that launchpad for Bowie would have been very different.

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Well,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean,

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I don't think singing would have happened.

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No,

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no.

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

And I don't think it would have happened without Angie,

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

actually, to be really,

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

really honest.

12:12

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah, yeah,

12:13

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

no, absolutely.

12:14

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

I agree.

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S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

It's always a community that make these things sort of happen,

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S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

isn't it?

12:19

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah,

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S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah.

12:20

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, going back to the Café Royal,

12:22

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, what was the music like?

12:24

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

What kind of things were people eating and drinking?

12:27

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Was it a very grand affair,

12:28

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

it being such a historic sort of venue?

12:31

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

You know, it's got so much history to it,

12:33

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

the Café Royal.

12:34

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

It really is a standout place.

12:35

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah,

12:36

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, I...

12:37

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I remember food,

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

fantastic party food,

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

sort of help yourself go up to this incredible buffet.

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But I couldn't tell you actually what it,

12:46

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, there was salmon and caviar and oyster,

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

you know, I mean,

12:50

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

sort of high quality food,

12:52

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

fine dining if you like,

12:54

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

but sort of like picnic.

12:55

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

You know, you took what you wanted and sat at the table.

12:58

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But I do remember,

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S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

God knows how much champagne was drunk that night,

13:02

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

but I was kind of tipsy for two days after.

13:07

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, we all came home in a cab afterwards.

13:09

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

Yes.

13:10

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

We lived in Muswell Hill then,

13:13

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

so by the time I got back,

13:15

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I was sort of sobering up a bit.

13:16

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah.

13:17

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I never got sort of very,

13:21

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

very out of it on champagne,

13:22

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

but that night,

13:23

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean,

13:24

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

every time you finished your glass,

13:25

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

it was filled up again,

13:26

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know.

13:27

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah,

13:27

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah.

13:28

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

It was amazing.

13:29

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah, these details are quite interesting.

13:31

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

What about Lou Reed?

13:32

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Did you have a chat with him that night?

13:34

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I did,

13:35

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah.

13:35

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

He just wanted to know all about London,

13:40

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

places to go,

13:41

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

you know, clubs and stuff.

13:44

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

And I remember Mick had a dance with my wife.

13:46

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

All right.

13:48

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

She was quite chuffed about that.

13:50

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Right,

13:50

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah. Was that Mick Jagger,

13:53

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah? Yeah,

13:53

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah. All right,

13:54

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

wow, that's interesting.

13:55

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah.

13:56

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean,

13:57

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

someone else said to me that,

13:58

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know, at these sort of events,

14:01

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Mick could often be quite laser -focused,

14:03

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

looking for a sort of,

14:05

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know,

14:06

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

partner for the night and that kind of thing.

14:08

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Oh, yeah.

14:09

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

14:10

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah.

14:10

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

And what about,

14:13

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know, that period in time,

14:14

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

would there have been a lot of kind of drugs around or was it not really at that kind of event?

14:18

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I don't know.

14:22

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, I didn't do any.

14:23

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, I got totally stoned before I went in there.

14:26

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Just on hash,

14:29

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know.

14:29

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean,

14:30

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I expect people were going in the toilets and having a line of coke and stuff,

14:34

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

but I didn't.

14:36

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But, I mean,

14:37

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah, the whole scene was sort of almost

14:41

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

drowning in drugs at the time.

14:43

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Yeah,

14:43

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah.

14:44

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

It really,

14:45

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

really was.

14:45

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

There's no doubt about that.

14:47

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

There's no point trying to deny it.

14:49

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Sure.

14:50

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, there's a lot of speculation.

14:52

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

In that famous photograph,

14:54

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Edgar, there's a chap at the end who's a dead ringer for Buckley.

15:00

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Tim Buckley.

15:00

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Tim Buckley,

15:01

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah. But the guy who's kind of written,

15:03

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

he's got his own website about this.

15:06

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

He's defiant that it's not him and there's been all kinds of suggestions.

15:09

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But some people think he may just be an interloper who came in

15:14

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

off the street.

15:14

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But I wouldn't have thought so.

15:16

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Do you have any idea who you might have been?

15:18

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

I've been asked this question,

15:20

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

it must be 100 times.

15:21

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Oh, really?

15:22

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

And I have no idea whatsoever.

15:24

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Oh,

15:25

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

gosh. Not a clue.

15:26

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Really.

15:26

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

It is a strange one.

15:28

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

It is.

15:29

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

It is.

15:29

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

That photograph has burned

15:34

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

its way into the psyche of

15:38

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

thousands of people who...

15:41

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

Because it is quite an iconic photograph that covers

15:46

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

a lot of genres,

15:47

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

apart from anything else.

15:48

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Well, absolutely.

15:48

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I mean, you look at it and you think,

15:50

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

oh, there's Lulu,

15:51

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

for instance,

15:52

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

who's still going.

15:53

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

There's Ringo Starr,

15:54

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Jeff Beck.

15:55

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

I actually spoke to Celia Hammond today,

15:58

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

earlier on today,

15:59

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

but she couldn't remember anything,

16:02

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Edgar.

16:02

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

So I'm glad I've certainly got much more.

16:05

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Much more from you.

16:07

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But,

16:08

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

yeah, I mean,

16:09

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

what about people like Lulu?

16:10

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

Because David seemed to really like her.

16:12

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

She told me that,

16:13

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

you know,

16:14

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

he had kind of singled her out and said,

16:16

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

you know, I'm going to make a hit record with you.

16:18

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

And, of course,

16:19

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

he did.

16:19

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

They did The Man Who Sold The World.

16:21

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

But he seemed to really like her,

16:22

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

although I would have thought she would have been more of a kind of pop star at the time,

16:26

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

if that makes sense,

16:27

S… Speaker 2 (Edgar Broughton)

than some of the kind of rock people that were around.

16:29

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

There's something about her.

16:31

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

I said hello to her and had a little chat with her.

16:36

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

There's something really lovely about Lulu.

16:38

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

And there always was.

16:40

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

I'll always remember when we'd just got a record deal with EMI.

16:45

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

This would be 70,

16:47

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

71,

16:47

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

something like that.

16:48

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

I don't remember exactly.

16:49

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

And we were on the motorway.

16:52

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

And I remember as kids when we lived in Warwick,

16:54

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

after a little local gig,

16:56

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

or if we managed to get a gig in Birmingham or Coventry,

16:59

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

in the very early days before we left to go to London.

17:03

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

We used to drive down the blue ball to the blue ball on the M1 and

17:08

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

hang out to see if there were any bands in,

17:10

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know?

17:10

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

And then go home at sort of one,

17:13

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

two o 'clock in the morning and think we were proper rock stars,

17:16

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

you know?

17:17

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

Anyway,

17:18

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

so time goes by and we've got a record deal and we're touring all over the

17:22

S… Speaker 1 (Edgar Broughton)

place.

17:22

S… Speaker 3 (Edgar Broughton)

And we stopped at,

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