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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah, just to say,
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in terms of the workshop in the box,
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
we got told by the DWP that
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we could have up to £1 ,000 to hold one that's a workshop
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
that's fully accessible.
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So we've accepted that offer.
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
They gave us a very tight deadline.
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
They told us about Thursday last week and they gave a deadline of today.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
But yeah,
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I'd be curious to know if other people have had that same offer.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
That's
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
really interesting.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I'm not surprised about the time frame,
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
but I could see there's some form of support.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Do you want to come in that point?
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah, we've had a very similar offer.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I can't share the details because I'm being briefed on
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them tomorrow, so I can't tell you what deadlines we're working to.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
And I can't tell you about any funding that's attached to it.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I just don't know yet.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
But yeah,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
we've had a very similar approach at any rate.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
And we are going to go ahead and organise a workshop
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
for families who've had support from Family Free Fund.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
that's all I know so far.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Otherwise, the other thing that we're going to do,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I think, is just sort of,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I'm keen for us to promote this
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
to parents,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
parent carers,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
on the basis that I know many of them...
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
helpful good night all sorts of things you know and and it's um
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
i would expect that quite a few would want to do this and so my suggestion is you know you
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
can call yourself a group if you're a few friends sitting around a table
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
together that's a that counts as a group hold a workshop get your voices heard yeah
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
but we can't do more than that i guess oh and
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
i think there's sorry there's one other thing and that is that um i've put
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
out to uh
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah, I've asked the National Network of Parent Carer
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Forums to tell their networks
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to get in touch with me if they want,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
you know,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I'll just have a friendly chat over the phone with any parent carer group that's
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
sitting up with, that wants to do it and isn't quite sure how to do it because they've never done anything like this
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
before.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Happily have a quick chat over the phone to encourage that.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks,
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Claire. That's really good to hear.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Anyone else want to come in about what their plan to get involved
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
in this stage,
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
use those meetings?
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Right, Ramsey.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Hello.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So,
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
yeah, Carers Trust will be holding a few first -top
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
-in -the -box focus groups with campaign.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So,
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
yeah, that's all we're doing.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I mean,
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
as ever, as I always say on these things,
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I think it's important to remember the impact on Carers,
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Carers on Pip.
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carers who are on PIP themselves as well,
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and the enabling factor that PIP has on their caring role.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So yeah,
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
that's what we'll be doing.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Ramsey.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Good to hear engaging as well.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Tamara?
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Hi,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
yes.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Just to follow on from what Ramsey has updated on,
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Carers UK will also be holding a workshop in a box
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by the deadline of mid -July,
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and we submitted...
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
to the call for evidence thanks for
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
that it's really good to hear megan hi everyone
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
it's my first one in these meetings which is i'm meg from nus uk
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
and so our
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Autonomous Disabled Students Group has been doing some research with disabled
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
students and brought together that and been pulling
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that together into a submission towards the Tim interview.
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So they sent in that information
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and I think we're just looking at a little bit more that we can do some of the research they've
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pulled together.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Coming up,
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
we actually have a new team of student officers starting.
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So our new Liberation Officer is starting and is very interested in,
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and is very interested in doing,
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it's been leading a lot of this work on gathering information about
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students' responses to the terms of you.
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So keep you updated,
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
see what comes from.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks,
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
that's a really good welcome.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Tom.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Hi,
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I'm Tom Wardle from Marie Curie.
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
And just sharing an update from my colleague about a joint...
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
letter that was sent to Stephen Timms about stopping
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peer peer reassessments for people who are terminally ill and have a
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progressive or life limiting condition.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah,
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
there was a response to the letter,
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
but very,
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
very top line,
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but there is continued action plan.
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Speaker 5 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So do please get in touch if you're interested in that.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
and thanks thanks for sharing tom um yeah always good to fight
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
up these things with with the membership uh evie from
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
deafblind uk um just to share that we're also doing one of the
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
um kind of workshop in a boxes we were approached by and some other people have
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
um they're kind of like things review um boards and
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
kind of give them some funding to create one of those um
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
and i'll be updating on kind of how that goes
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Speaker 8 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
and one I'm going to be focusing on is the accessibility of the assessment process and stuff
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
as well.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Great,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
good to hear a wide range of members who are doing these workshops
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
in a box.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Maddy.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah, just to share,
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
like others,
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Speaker 7 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
we're going to be facilitating a series of workshop in a box sessions
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across India and with colleagues in Wales and with our community groups
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and campaigners as well.
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We've also been talking to colleagues working on the workshop
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in a box team in DTPP and sharing insights on how to
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support people with profound and multiple learning disabilities and discussing
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their easy resources as well.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Great,
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
thanks.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks, Maddie.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Again, really good to hear.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
It's great.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I think you have to get as many organisations and wider views
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as possible through the process.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
That's great.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
It sounds like the departments are willing
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to listen about how these should be run in the most effective way.
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So that's good to hear.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Is there anyone else who'd like to share anything they're up to
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
around the TIMS review?
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Anything they're doing in the background to inform their work?
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
They'd like to update or anything,
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any intel they've heard they would like to share.
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Speaker 3 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
think we're in a bit of it.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah, sorry,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Sue, are you poised to come in?
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I am poised.
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And this is not really a Parkinson's
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UK update,
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but this morning I went to a Z2K event
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and they were talking about their research that I've just launched today into
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assessments and reassessments.
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and the fact that many people who have progressive conditions are
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still subject to reassessments,
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even though it's on the higher rates of both components.
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By definition,
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literally, if you have a progressive condition,
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then you're simply not getting better.
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So once you're on the higher rates of both components,
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there's zero reason to be reassessed.
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Speaker 6 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
So that piece of research is available via their website,
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and it is very interesting indeed.
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I'd recommend reading it.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Thanks, Sue.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
No, I did see that come out.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I haven't had a chance to look through it yet.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
But yeah,
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
it seems like a fairly obvious case to be made to know around
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that. Hopefully they're listening.
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It's good to see so much good quality research and
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reports coming out at the moment.
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I think it's actually quite a good thing for the sector to be forced
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to think through the implications.
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So that's really good.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Is anyone else before we draw a line under the Tim's review?
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
um i'm sure any thoughts um no
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
no we'll move on to the next review then um and what
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is it oh claire did you want to come back on yeah
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
yeah something that um just a thought that's actually wider than the tinge
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review but there's been prompted by the uh tinge review
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i think because people think of us
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Probably only interested in child DLA and the transition to PIP.
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But actually our cost of care and research,
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the cost of care in 2025 research last year,
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really one of the things that it revealed
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was the extent of it.
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Well,
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anybody working with care bearers will know this.
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you know there's a number of parent carers that are on PIP and they're often caring
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themselves for other adults who might be on PIP as
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well as for children who are on child DNA transferring to PIP
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so there's a complex it's part of a kind of complex matrix income matrix if
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you like that families have and I'm wondering whether there's
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it's made me think about a need to under
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understand that that make that kind of how do families with disabled family
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members make up their household income and
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how that income is in a sense was patched together and how
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any change to pip could could
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have actually a host of unforeseen consequences in terms of knock -on effects
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because it's not just a simple accumulation of
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kind of income items if you like
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particular benefit,
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but that they form a complex matrix in it,
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if you like, and that households aren't just one address,
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are they?
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They're often formed across addresses,
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and we started to see that a little bit with many
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of the responses that we got to our cost of caring.
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The other thing that I wanted to just say was that the
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TIMS review was mentioned in discussions at the N Child Poverty Strategy Day a couple of
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weeks ago in terms of thinking about how...
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the child poverty figures that we're all talking about just now could be radically altered
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by changes to PIP because of the reliance on low
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-income households or on somebody getting PIP
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who then doesn't because of the changes.
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So just wanted to flag that that's something that the Unchild Poverty Coalition has acknowledged
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in conversations about its future strategy and something that others
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here might be thinking about in that context as well.
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Thanks,
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Claire.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
That's a very good point.
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Speaker 2 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah,
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
does anyone want to,
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is anyone looking at these same issues to come
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and share anything?
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
I'm sure there are some
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members looking at similar issues.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Claire, they may not be on the call today.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
But yeah,
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
there's many angles in there for the Tim's review.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
It's not quite as simple as perhaps some people had thought when they started the
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review.
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Speaker 4 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
And speaking of complexities,
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yeah,
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shall we move on to the Milburn review,
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which is,
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you know, to some degree has half an eye on.
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As well,
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I'll just hand over to you and my colleague,
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Geoff.
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Thanks,
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Matt.
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Speaker 1 (11 Longfellow Road 65)
Yeah,
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we've got the Milburn review and the Tim's review both side by
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side, and it might be worth speculating a bit about how
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they might eventually relate to each other,
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because the...
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They're supposed to be separate exercises,
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obviously,
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and there are differences indeed between the population groups
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that they're looking at.
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But both of them are reports to the government.
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They're not statements of government policy in themselves.
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So it's quite possible that the government might want to combine
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its response to both of them in some sort of policy
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statement.
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prior to legislation after they both report at the end of the year.
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So I think that's something to bear in mind as a possibility,
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especially since they might be sniffing
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around some of the same issues in relation to PIP.
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The Milburn Review,
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I don't know how many people have read the Milburn report.
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It's very long.
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I'm still reading it.
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It's the interim report.
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I think I'm on paragraph 403.
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And I think there are 600 odd paragraphs.
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So it is long.
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And I think people have been dipping into it,
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which is what Milburn said he didn't want people to do.
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So I don't know how many people have sort of started at the beginning
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and worked their way through.
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But a lot of it is pretty constructive.
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It's a fairly serious look,
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I think, at the barriers to employment for young
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people.
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It looks at the education system in some detail and at the various training
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operations,
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various training options and the kind of chaotic tangle
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of routes that there are for young people past
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the age of 16.
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And I'm finding it very interesting and that kind of reflects
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the discussion that members of the steering group had with Matt Upton,
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who is the principal researcher.
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who's working on this for Milburn.
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We had a meeting a couple of years ago,
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a couple of weeks ago,
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with Matt Upton,
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and found it quite constructive.
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And we said to him then,
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it's a pity,
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given that a lot of this is constructive and positive analysis,
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it's a pity that it's likely to descend into a punch
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up over benefit cuts.
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The benefits section of the interim report does tend quite
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strongly towards the idea of introducing work -related conditionality
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to PIP,
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which is something which I think we said before the DWP
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appears to be sort of circling around.
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Those of you who go to the Health Transformation
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Programme meetings will know that they have been looking as employment support.
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and pip is not supposed to be related to employment status so
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i think we may well end up in an argument over the idea
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of introducing employment related conditionality into pip
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about four fifths just over four fifths of pip claimants are not in
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work nearly a fifth are so we might also
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be looking at
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employment related conditionality for people who are in work which is what you
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get with universal credit you know you might be in work but maybe you're not working
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enough hours and so on and of course any conditionality will ultimately
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be backed up by sanctions so that
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