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and they will create an organization that does programmatic work. Nonprofits need so much more

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than just programmatic work. They need to understand finance. They need to understand

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the legal ramifications of what they do. They need to understand taxes. They need to understand

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development. They need to understand marketing. But we bring in funds to allow our programs to

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happen. So it used to be that people would come into nonprofits and donate their time and their

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money to bring those resources, those capacities into play for a nonprofit on a worthy mission.

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But people feel strapped these days. They don't do it as much. So we need to find other creative ways

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of building those capacities, right? One of them, and one of the things that I recommend is when

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you're looking at retirement, and when you're thinking about retirement, that's an excellent

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place to help a nonprofit capacity build. You can add those resources, whether, again, like you're

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some kind of professional. So retirees are great resources for nonprofits because actually better

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resources than not because they're already fully trained in what they do. Right. Yeah, true.

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So we capacity... So I have one nonprofit, which is really wonderful. So if you think about

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these people, they take retired doctors, and they put them on the phone with community health

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clinics in urban and rural environments, so that these doctors who are overworked in these incredibly

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difficult environments have resources of mentors that they can reach out to when they need a diagnosis

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or they need some assistance in treating something. They have doctors on call who have been through it

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all and seen it all. And these doctors continue to feel like they have an end-of-life existence,

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right, making a difference in their world. And it's not just doctors. That's just a really easy example.

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Any one of you can do that, what you... The expertise and the life skills that you've built over time.

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But when we talk about... And by doing that and helping the nonprofits understand how much they

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value, when we feel really small, I think one of the most empowering things we can do

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is remind someone else how important they are. So if you're feeling like you're not making much of

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an impact or you can't make much of an impact, go talk to a nonprofit and help them be the best

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organization that they can be. And when they get there, when those nonprofits get to that space,

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they can then go talk to the corporation and say, we're a valuable partner to the things you need to

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get done in the world, right? We're valuable people in terms of helping you create the world that we all

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want to see. And you're doing it together and collectively. So I mean, what's better than that?

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That's nice. And then let's face it, ageism is real too. So even if we might imagine we want to work to

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a certain age, our employers might not agree. So I've known multiple people who have been kind of

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out on their ears way before they expected to. Finding meaning and a way to contribute in the

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nonprofit world is an option there too. Absolutely. And again, so many interesting

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opportunities. I mean, you obviously could, there's a lot of different things that you might be

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interested in. We all sort of had some experience working with nonprofits throughout our lives. I mean,

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communities are basically built by nonprofits and many communities are nonprofits. So we all have had

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that kind of, we all understand how uplifting those things are. COVID sort of made things a little weird

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because we stopped working in community. Right. But that wasn't evolution. That was a blip,

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right? I think a lot of people see that as sort of a post COVID world, but I don't believe in a post

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COVID world. I believe COVID was a blip and we have to get back to community, right? The things we do,

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we're always stronger together. Just one more thing. I, when we talk about like, we're all in this

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together, sometimes people can feel lost in those kinds of environments, right? But the truth is,

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is there's always that feeling that you are striving for, right? Where your impact, right? Financial time,

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resources, your brain matters. And so don't forget the relationship between you and the

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person next to you, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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When I talk about building a community and building a community organization, it's bigger

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than two of you, but at the end of the day, you're still in conversation with another

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person or another group of people that is important to you, right?

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You're building your community, not just any community.

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Right, right.

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It's okay to be selfish when you think about that a little bit, right?

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Exactly right.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Missy, thank you.

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We could obviously talk about these things for a long time.

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Where can people who are interested go to learn more about the work you're doing or the ideas

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that you're sharing?

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Sure.

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So thank you so much.

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I just, I really enjoyed this conversation.

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What a great way to wake up on a Friday.

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So please come out to www.impactnonprofits.co and come see some of the things that we're

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doing, particularly if you are already involved with the nonprofit or if we have a lot of

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resources that can help them build better capacities and start their conversations with

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corporations so that they can get more support.

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Also, you can reach me on my LinkedIn.

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So please look me up, Missy S.

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Nostel on LinkedIn.

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We do a lot of publishing there sort of on ideas and things that you can bring to the table.

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And don't ever, I think it was Jane Goodall who said, don't ever underestimate the power

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of a small group of people to make changes.

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It's the only thing that ever works.

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Right.

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I'm paraphrasing, of course.

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Yeah.

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But if you are feeling that you are not powerful, you are wrong.

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You're very powerful, just in and of yourself and in community, it's just multiplied.

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Oh, I love that message.

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What a way to end.

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Thank you, Missy, for being with us.

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Thank you so much, Stephanie, Kevin.

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What a pleasure.

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And thanks again for everything you're doing for the investing community and for people

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who really need this kind of these resources.

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It's important.

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It's important work.

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Awesome.

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We agree.

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Great.

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So, Kevin, I mean, Missy is such an interesting person because she brings this nonprofit experience

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and now to the idea of being an investor and how those two things can go together, the corporate

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nonprofit partnership.

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But then what I appreciate is like, what is our role as little individuals here who are

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not corporate leaders necessarily and not nonprofit leaders?

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But what can we do both with our dollars and with our time?

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And I love how she was talking about asking better questions, right?

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I think when we sometimes feel like, well, what the heck can I as one person do?

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I think I would go back to that idea of asking better questions.

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Who can you ask these questions of?

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How can you use some of your 21,000 words a day to start talking about this stuff?

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That's where everything begins.

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Yeah, I mean, frankly, that's one of the more intriguing things or interesting things I

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get out of this podcast, to be selfish, is talking with people who, when you see their

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intro sentence to their bio, it's like, I don't know how this is really going to connect

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with what we're doing.

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But then we have this conversation and it's, oh, this is how it works for individuals.

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We're not talking, this podcast isn't built for corporations or for nonprofits or for groups

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of any sort.

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It's, we talk to the individuals.

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But one of the biggest things that we always hear is like, well, it's hard to make an impact

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if you're just one person and whatever, the beauty of talking with people like Missy is

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she can give us ideas and explain, this is how you can make a difference.

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Not some theoretical, well, you could just call up the investor relations department and

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insist, it's like, no, that BS doesn't work.

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All right, let's just be honest.

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That's not going to go anywhere.

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But starting working the way up, so to speak, talking with the nonprofits, you're going to have

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a little bit more leverage with them and you're going to give them support in what they're

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going to be telling, you know, talking with these corporations.

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So that is a realistic way of how to affect change.

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And even just showing up at your local community, whether it's the food bank or some organization

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that's working on the cause that's near and dear to your heart and saying, here's who I am.

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How can I help?

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Right?

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That's a big thing.

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But then I also like that she pushed back on the misconception of, well, I'm not super

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rich.

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Therefore, my dollars can't make a difference, right?

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Like, yes, even as a relative.

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relatively smaller investor, you can make a difference. And we will point back to our episodes

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on sustainable investing, impact investing, socially responsible investing. It has all

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different kinds of names, right? Even just choosing the mutual funds, for example,

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that are working on issues that are important to you. I was just reading an impact report of

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one mutual fund company today of the advocacy efforts they've been making and the differences

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they have made with big companies. Okay, maybe I can't do it with my couple thousand dollars,

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but if I'm investing in that fund, I'm giving more weight to their voice when they're raising

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the issues. So there's definitely ways that we can all be thinking more strategically about

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how we're using our dollars and our time. That's it. There it is in a nutshell.

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So finding ways to leverage, not necessarily going straight to the top, but working with these

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nonprofits, these collective investments, whether it's a mutual fund or private investments or

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something like that, there's different ways you can go about it, so to speak. There's not one way

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to climb a mountain. There's a couple of paths. Some are easier than others. Same thing here.

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There's different ways to make an impact. Just look for the avenue that works best for you,

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where you can feel that you're making the biggest contribution.

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Well, and one of the things Missy had told me before was that she feels women are the best

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impact investors. And I think it's partly because we do tend to look for ways that we can act

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as a collective instead of just as one person. Dear listeners, we hope you enjoyed our conversation

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today. We'll talk to you next time. It's goodbye from me.

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