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the law firm of the future we don't want to think about what we need today we want

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to try to anticipate what do we need like 10 years from now as like

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talent changes and demographics change and ai and

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technology take on a life on their own right um and how

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radical are we prepared to go like we're prepared to go pretty radical

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but

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you know, me as the HR person looking out,

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listening to all of these partners talk about,

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oh yeah, yeah, we're prepared to go pretty radical.

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I'm thinking,

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are you really?

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Like, do you know what that really means?

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And are you prepared to deal with all the owners?

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Don't change my space.

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Right.

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And again,

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they were, I got to admit,

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they were all open to their own space to the point you should know our managing

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partner is in an inside office.

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right now because we're because we've run out of space in Toronto so I

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do feel that they are open to change but what

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I worry about is that when the rubber hits the road and they've got to sell

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this like are they really do we need to help them

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understand the implications of radical change so you know whatever

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saving I think is another thing once we start to run this because I

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think I described before

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you know you're not probably going to get back a quarter of a floor or something right like they're going to want

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it probably a half or some a full floor and so what does that mean

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to to do those things to make meaningful change um for

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meaningful savings and you know and return on investment so i

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mean i think we could i i sort of agree with you in terms of like focus groups

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and i had said like okay we can do a few focus groups

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after we understand what some of that visioning is if you want to stack that what

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i would say is when you move into a full project we can just shift that you know because that was kind of a

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an adder anyway from us we'll just give you that adder

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future um when you have decided what because what

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i like to do with focus groups is it's a little bit of gathering information but it's a bit of change management

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because let's understand what we're trying to achieve and the design team starts to we

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don't say like what do you want in our focus groups we talk about like work behaviors how do we

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function and we sort of do some back

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selling about like,

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well, how fun it is.

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And this is what we're seeing in the market.

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So you could,

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you could move those later,

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but the vision session,

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if we could condense it to one hour,

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it'd be very tight,

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but we would really just talk about like,

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what are the priorities and the critical success factors when we're thinking about a

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strategy and what are you willing to sacrifice?

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And what is like,

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don't go there,

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right?

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It's like, don't even think about that.

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Or we're open to anything.

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It gives us as a design team some of the temperature from your team so that

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when we're making recommendations,

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we're like, remember,

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like, because we read body language and all kinds of things in those sessions where we start to understand

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how far we can take you and how much,

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or like we could take you this far,

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but it's going to need some change management involved.

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So we could do a bit of that on the 6th,

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right?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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We're fully expecting.

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That's

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the book. They'd

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like to get to,

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sorry guys,

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just one second.

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They'd like to get to like 75 ,000 square feet.

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So, hold on just one minute.

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I've got a puppy that's driving me nuts.

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I just gotta get rid of her.

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Just one minute.

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Bring the puppy to the call.

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Yeah, seriously.

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We want to see the puppy.

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That's our request.

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Yeah.

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They are very diligent in pre -reads.

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So if we can give them information in advance,

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they...

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Questions, yeah.

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Yes.

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Yeah,

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I missed that a lot from them.

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They like to, like, read questions and come prepared.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We're familiar with that.

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So we can, I mean,

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July 6th is not that far away,

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but we can work on that beginning of next week to get over to you.

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Yeah.

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You know,

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here's, like, kind of some high -level topics and things we'll be asking.

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Okay.

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I think that would be great.

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I think that would be great.

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No problem.

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Yeah.

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Okay, sorry.

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You were saying about space.

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You'd like to at least shut a floor,

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which would take you to around $75 ,000.

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Okay.

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I think that's the starting point.

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That's the starting point.

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I mean,

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maybe you'd be more aggressive if you'd shut a floor and a half and maybe you'd be,

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like, laughing,

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you know.

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Well, yeah, exactly.

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So, like, let's start at the $75 ,000,

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but then let's contemplate what more could look

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like and what would be the implications of it.

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I think they'd be interested in hearing that,

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and we should pressure test that.

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And,

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you know, one of the thoughts I had that I kind of ran by Bruce and

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Kelly, and I've talked to Allison about this.

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too is like i wonder whether we start with the test bit of

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brookfield place as you know we're looking at other properties as well and we want

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to do test bits of those but you know what what what does

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densified space at brookfield's place look like and how small could we get

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there and i wonder whether we start there because

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We all know the space so well and if we can visualize what

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the implications of 75 would be there,

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I think it's a good starting point and benchmark for what we do with the other

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iterations and other concepts.

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Okay.

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Do you have headcount numbers for us?

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Ready? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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You need to send those over.

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Please.

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We, Candace and Emma and I,

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we're pretty fast.

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We could be like, okay,

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to get them on one floor less,

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we need this many people on the floor,

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this many lawyers,

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da,

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da, da, da, da.

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We won't do details like doors and everything,

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but we'll block the space and be like,

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this is what it would feel like,

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you know? And this is kind of the size office you would need.

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Or like,

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this is going to be real tight.

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So people are going to have to double.

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you know you have to double these amazing that's exactly what we want exactly

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oh absolutely happy to happy to get into

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it also we already kind of i think drafted something a while

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ago for you so we we have not that that's relevant but i'm saying in terms of us testing

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for my team i think we've got some baseline stuff we could we're

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not you know having done the whole model and stuff but yeah yeah the um

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as part of our exploration last um there

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was

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Yeah. Yeah.

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address that on the 6th because I do think there is sort of a

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sentiment that if you don't if you do kind of offices

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on the interior and not on the perimeter you do get more offices in

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and we know that's not true so I do think that would be totally worthwhile I

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think the way the road to density in that capacity is

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putting offices on the interior and workstations on the perimeter but

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I think you know probably

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legal professionals would rather have smaller offices or even share them than they would to be in

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a long state.

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I think that's right.

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You've hit it right now.

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That might be a bit progressive,

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I think, right?

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Yeah, I think that's right.

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You can be totally hit it.

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But again, we can have those,

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we'll do as much work between now and the six as we possibly can in order to

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make best use of that team's time before they go on vacation,

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right? To say like,

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hey, here's what kind of it might feel like and to maybe,

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you know.

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prove to them like hey look we have done this sort of thing that look at this gives you

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65 offices and this gets you 80 offices or whatever that number of things up

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at this point but we'll look at that for sure that'd be great can you also

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address the castles model i mean

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our ceo and i saw it and we really liked it but i'd be interesting

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it'd be interesting to hear from you why they didn't replicate it in

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calgary and what lessons they have learned from it because we talked a lot about

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whether that's something we'd want to do in trial so i think if you can speak to that

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that would be really helpful i mean one of the things about the castle's model

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that i think

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works for them is that a is a small footprint but also that they have a pretty

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uh robust work from home strategy so like

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what does that mean like what does that mean like they let their lawyers work from home a lot oh

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i see so there's so flexibility in that way yeah

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full flexibility like and that is not what we want just so you know

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like our ceo is wants to man is mandating three

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days a week but ultimately he'd like to be at four

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Okay, so in that case,

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and I can speak to some of that because I'm familiar.

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The other thing is about three days a week or even the CASA's model is like you have

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to be prepared that like...

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somebody's coming in monday tuesday wednesday and somebody's coming in thursday friday like you can't

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say everybody comes in tuesday wednesday thursday right like they all need to put their bump in some

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seats so yeah we can we can talk through we can talk through some of that and some

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of that is easier to do with a visual i find right yeah for sure for

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sure for people to understand so we'll try to work on as many visuals

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as we can um

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And, you know,

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what we did for Blaze,

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which may be also helpful in terms of pace,

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is that so we spend the vision session here focused much

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more on...

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strategy and business decisions that affect architecture

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but we don't necessarily talk a lot about like look and feel in

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terms of aesthetics no no we don't want that when the project went forward

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because it's like why do we need to talk about what you like the look and feel of because right now we're looking at gray

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boxes on plans so you guys are aligned there so we'll focus there okay

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we also thought when we were looking at

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the schedule and i don't know what you're like

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date you want to hit at the end is because sometimes if you have one then we can sort of squeeze

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but one thing is that we had carried uh how many weeks from planning

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again i think six weeks right yeah and we thought if we

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move quickly and do some of this blocking we could probably do that in three weeks so

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we do a week for each building you're considering so that would shave three weeks off right away

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yeah which would take us to the end of august basically so

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if we move so that other stuff

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up you might like what are when are you hoping you're like hey we want to know what our plan is

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like do you have a date where you're like going back partners or you're trying to make deals or

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what is your like date that you're trying to achieve do

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you have that from the encore robot

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let's give me one second because

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if we could probably shrink our pre -design strategies 12 weeks we could

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probably shrink that as well but

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then what i would say is when we get down to the bottom numbers like schematic and those numbers

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like eight weeks for schematic later

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I'd probably ask you a few more weeks in there to do a bit more,

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like, focusing and visioning after you've made

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a business, like...

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I

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think we need

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to understand it's more,

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like, so that we can...

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We'll probably,

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like, you know,

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shave out a few properties,

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but is negotiate...

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Like, are we negotiating 75 ,000 square feet or 100 ,000 square feet?

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Because...

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we did like so we have like blocking plans so that's what I'm just describing

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to you and I can show you we can pull some of that I can show you the difference between

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what like the blocking plan looks like versus like the test fit plan because

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usually when we do a test fit plan we like to give you like a very beautiful test fit presentation what

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I have had is done blocking plans all the different buildings which

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helps you to understand like

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You know, here's how much square footage I need.

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Here's where I want to negotiate.

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I don't really like that building because HBK's told me it's not as efficient in terms of

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quantity of officing and I need to take an extra quarter of a floor.

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That we can probably do.

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And then while you're negotiating,

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we can make them really pretty,

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the test fits,

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right?

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Like the overall.

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And by then,

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you're also going to say,

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like, really focus your energies on this building and this building and that

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building, you know, just test fits so that we can negotiate with the landlord kind of thing.

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you could also you don't necessarily have to wait time down like a final task of presentation to start negotiation

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you know what i mean so we have some flexibility in august to like keep designing

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if you will because you know beginning

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of august that's in like four weeks so you really just want me to like get planning

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pretty much right like yeah for anything

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out of the norm come on you'd

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be surprised the things we get asked here they say if you want to grab it out of the

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hat this is the team we are very effective at that but i think

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what you want is to be able to go to landlords and start to get what i'm just saying is while your

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brokers are doing that this team can still be planning and tweaking and talking about stacking

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and like because they're going to go away and do some work right like they're going to need time and

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we're going to keep stacking whatever but it's not like your stack is going to change you by a full

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floor right it's like yeah and testing

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the where the tolerance

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won't talk about is like so that

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we have a baseline that they're like that christmas

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miracle to get our people to do that are like actually we can be more aggressive than we thought we're

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looking at this actually feels good and we can say this is

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the third year is to double up and maybe you guys are like we're fine you know we'll give some

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yeah we'll give a variety of kind of things on how you can achieve your goals so

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that on the if there's any way can we get more time on the sixth

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We would love that if they don't wait in an hour.

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Let me see what I can do about that.

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Yeah.

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Unfortunately,

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our CEOs,

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that's her last day before holidays.

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So it's a bit tricky,

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but I will be,

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yeah,

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this is important.

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So I will,

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I will see what we can,

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what we can do about that.

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And for that block plan,

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like what do you need from like for Brookfield?

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What else do you need from us?

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Like headcount,

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obviously, but.

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Like, what about,

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like, you know,

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we have a client floor with,

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you know, do you want meeting room stats?

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Like, do you want other data?

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Everything you have,

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like Candice,

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the more information you give us,

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the better.

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We have your client floor.

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So maybe we could just spend,

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I know we only booked 30 minutes,

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right? But maybe you could just high level tell us,

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is your client floor relatively the right size or is there appetite to

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reduce that in any way?

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Yes.

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There's an avenue to reduce it.

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It's severely underutilized,

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and it has been.

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I would say 80 %

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of the work week,

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it is almost empty.

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It's used primarily for events.

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Okay.

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So what we need is a space that you can still modify into events,

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so you could make a greater investment for flexibility,

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but give up the smart footage.

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Do you think that could shake it by 30 %?

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Should we start there?

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30 to 50?

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Yeah.

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Yeah,

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I think that's the range.

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I think that's the range for sure.

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And I would also get rid of the meeting rooms

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or at least the majority of them on the practice floors.

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They rarely get utilized.

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I mean, Allison can back that up with stats,

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but my observation is they're hardly used now.

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And some of them are quite large.

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Why?

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Where are they meeting?

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Are they meeting in their offices?

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They are meeting in their offices or like it's virtual

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now, to be honest,

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right?

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So, you know,

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our financial services has a monthly national meeting and they used to all

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get in the boardroom together and have the meeting with Vancouver and

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the other offices on the screen.

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Well, now,

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most of the time they stay in their offices,

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right? Because some of them are at home and some of them aren't.

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So it's things like that that are really changing the meeting dynamics.

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The reason I ask that question is because if we shrink,

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as long as what you're saying to me is people are calling in from their individual offices

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or like one or two,

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because if we shrink their office footprint,

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right, they'll look for other places to have bigger meetings.

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So that's something we can look at.

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Okay.

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I think from the office footage,

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they're

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massive.

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And we're also pushing envelope on furniture

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in terms of reducing the amount of storage in each office and then pushing

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file cabinets or kind of a pass in our

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organization.

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And right now we're at a one file drawer per professional,

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just one file drawer per legal professional.

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And that's outside of their office.

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Oh,

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so they have storage in their office and one drawer outside.

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Yeah, I think we would be willing to look at that too.

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I think you should.

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What I'm even finding in even like the,

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you know,

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full -time back -in -office law firms is that the storage is like empty.

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That is one thing.

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Even like McCarthy's,

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when they built Montreal and gave me tour,

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all of it was empty.

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It's like, and it also costs a lot of money.

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So it's like,

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you know,

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maybe you have provisions that you can put in the back corridor if you need it.

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But okay, so filing can reduce.

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What about your cafe space?

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Is that right -sized?

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Do you have post -events in there?

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I think the ones that we have on 40,

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41 are a bit large.

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The one that we have on 43 is a bit small.

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Maybe seating up for 10

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on the practice floor.

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Like a little fuel station and like get coffee kind of. Yeah, okay.

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yes but i think so i think what happens is our cafes on the practice

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floors like they are gathering places in the morning like people stand

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and chat but when we built them we envisioned people actually sitting and

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having their lunch there that work on that floor that has not happened like

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so we have tables in there and a tv and it's rarely used

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for for that i would say um

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you know people are either just eating in their office or they go up to our what

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we call our sky lounge on the 44th floor which is our main kind of lunchroom

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cafe area but you know even that at lunchtime

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is not packed but it's act it's kind of weird because it's actually

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too small when we hold events so it's just not a great

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design you know if it opened up yeah did you

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ever put your cafe on your client floor

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they could have like a division if you want them but then you could have the opportunity to

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open yeah no no we're doing that in our montreal uh build right now

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and we've done that in calgary i think that's exactly and

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in mancouver that's exactly what we need to do in toronto because it's not efficiently used

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it's just not and when you have an event too you like can double dip between like you got

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the whole yeah yeah we did that in erica burles it is also a

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very efficient use of space right because often those two spaces when your client like a secure

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all that you save money if you partner them.

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So, okay,

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we'll look at that too in the planning.

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Amazing.

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Okay,

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what about your business services group?

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I know that,

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I remember from before,

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they are already in a work share model,

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right?

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Can you remind us what that ratio is?

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Their hotel,

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like,

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oh, LAA work share model?

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No, the business,

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the 44th floor,

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the business operations.

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We're still a little bit on the everybody in on Tuesday model,

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and I think that might be open for discussion.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I'll give you the headcount numbers,

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and then I'll give you our current...

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Okay,

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okay, we can work that out,

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because that might be another way where we say,

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right now you're at a 1 to 1 .4 sharing ratio,

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and we could increase that slightly or something like that.

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So, okay,

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we'll look at that too.

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And then also share that we

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have...

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offices and we find that it we don't have quite for

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the operations team as is needed so okay

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you know you have less than you need right now for the okay yeah just let

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us know the number you kind of want and then we'll we'll work towards those numbers and

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those operations ones i think they're about 80 square feet or just under like

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somewhere between 60 80 efficient right

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now and then we're open to that i was

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going to ask you that i know you're in one size office now but would you consider

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like

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you know, let's,

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I'm just going to throw a 10 by 10 on the perimeter and then do

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like, you know,

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eight by eights on the internal to get more density.

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Is that something that we should be thinking about?

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The thing on the perimeter

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is you're going to get the mullion,

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right? So you have,

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there's a, there's going to be a size by the mullion,

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right?

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But in the internal,

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you have more flexibility.

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Any thoughts on that?

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I feel like the more we can keep the lawyer offices

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standard size,

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the easier it'll be for us,

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right? To move people around.

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And the furniture's all the same then.

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Exactly.

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It is.

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Okay,

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so we will try for that,

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but when I'm planning it,

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if I look at it and think like,

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man, alive,

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I could put like,

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you know.

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15 % were offices in here.

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If you went down to the A by A on the interior,

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I will mention that and say like,

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hey, one way to do this so that,

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you know,

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