John Curry Interview

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It's like, yeah,

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it's three boys and one girl kind of in

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it together.

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But no, they've just gelled so well.

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It's kind of,

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they've become this...

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

Oh, nice.

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So that's your class?

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You teach all subjects or music primarily?

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No, so I do like BTEC Media,

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Level 2 BTEC Media for one of the students.

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I mean, the alternative pathway is very bespoke.

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So we would take some of the mainstream subjects,

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so like GCSE,

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like Foundation Maths,

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and then English as a Second Language,

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or two of the GCSEs that we're doing,

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and then Media and Travel and Tourism for the Level 2s.

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But it has to be a kind of bespoke,

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scaffolded curriculum where it's really,

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it's very different.

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It's quite hard with,

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so I'm the drama specialist,

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it's quite hard with creative subjects to get that balance,

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isn't it, of scaffolding,

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but provided this is not all to do with what I wanted to ask you.

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

No, no, no, you're fine.

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Providing that space for creativity,

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but pulling it back all the time,

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it's quite,

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you have to be pretty skilled,

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I think, to teach that.

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

Yeah,

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I mean, it's very much...

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kind of rolling well yeah I mean every student is so individual with special needs whereas

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in general as well but in special needs it's like particularly the barriers

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to learning this is quite a quite a one of the reasons why I

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really like working in special needs is a lot of that problem solving where you're trying to kind of weave in in

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and around but no with

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we've had his his advert pitch ended up being a man fighting a dinosaur in

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like the sports gear so it ended up it was very but then also him eating

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a biryani to show that it was comfortable so i mean it gets it very much gets his personality

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and you can tell anyone that knows the student would say oh yeah that's him but

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some of them

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The biggest success stories come from,

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I think, special needs students accessing creativity and media and the arts as

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well. So that you're providing that for them,

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I think, is amazing.

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I would say the arts for,

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like...

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I mean, for expressing yourself is one thing where it's like,

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I mean, if you have problems with reading other people's emotions and kind of,

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and that reciprocal kind of expressing your emotions,

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having something like music,

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short films,

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where you can kind of have it like in a scaffolded way almost,

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where it's like you've got it in that way where you can actually access.

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okay, I can make this movie,

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I can make this short movie,

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I can make this advertising campaign,

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which is what we were doing with BTEC.

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S… Speaker 2 (John Curry Interview)

And do I hear Scottish accent?

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Yeah. Is that where you went to school?

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

Yeah.

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But my mum's American,

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so I sound really weird.

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Yeah, I could get the American as well.

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And it's Edinburgh,

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so it's quite far south.

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I did the Hogmanay in Edinburgh many years ago.

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Loved it.

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Yeah,

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do you remember it?

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Turn off the camera.

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Hogmanay.

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

Really?

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Yeah.

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See?

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No,

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you can't see it.

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I got my first tattoo in Ibiza.

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Yeah,

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there's probably alcohol involved in both.

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Similar circumstances.

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So in your experience when you were

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going to school,

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did you feel that there were positive male teachers

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and role models?

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Is there any that particularly stand out?

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Or did you feel that it was more females?

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And I believe that quite open -ended.

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Yeah, I mean, I would say the majority of the teaching staff when I was growing up,

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I mean, I was going to school in the 90s.

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Not to go age.

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But yeah, no, I would say it was predominantly female.

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But I would say I had very inspirational role

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models that were female and that were male,

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just to folks in the male ones for Father's Day.

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Yeah,

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I would say the ones that really...

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kind of led by example I think like for the males that you're kind of looking at

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these male role models and seeing yourself those qualities and

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kind of saying okay I need to project that onto how I want to be of

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like and like I think the ones that were really kind of compassionate and

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

I think, yeah,

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you can definitely tell when people genuinely care.

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And I think that's one of the rapport building things in teaching where you

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can tell if a teacher genuinely cares and they make time for

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you and they do that and they're always kind of interested in what you're doing.

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I think it makes you so happy to be there and kind of feel like

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you have a voice,

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that you're not on a ride of education.

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You're kind of part of it.

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You're part of the decision making.

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So taking that...

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that what you've just said and how do

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you apply that to your day -to -day now you're a male role

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model for students in a school and you you can tell

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that you care about the students and the work that you're doing

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How do you,

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are you consciously wanting to be a male role model or do you just think it's quite

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naturally within you?

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I don't know if I would call myself a male role model,

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but no,

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I mean, I would definitely say.

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Your head does, which is brilliant.

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S… Speaker 3 (John Curry Interview)

Well,

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I would definitely say that.

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the kind of leading by example thing even if you're having the worst day in the world don't

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come in and you yeah project it like you're always there is that you

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are there is that role model of like and if you let that slip they're

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gonna they're gonna say well it's fine for him to do that why

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Is it not okay for me to act like that?

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Why is it okay for me not to be kind of angry or short with someone

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or kind of even just like ignoring someone and saying,

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oh, I'm too busy?

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If you do that,

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they're going to say,

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well, why can I not do that?

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And then you end up with that kind of mismatch where people

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feel like they don't have their own kind of volition.

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their importance of like their role is diminished.

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But no, I try to have a kind of very equal classroom where I would always do votes.

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I would always do things like that where people kind of empowering them.

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working special needs I think it's one of those things where it

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is a bit freer where we can really try and pinpoint

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okay what is someone's interests because that is how we get them engaged because

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if they're not engaged they're not going to learn anything so I think with that so

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with doing the kind of more creative things like media music where

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they can express themselves I think yeah we talked about that before the thing was rolling but

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yeah where it's something that they can really

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get a passion for and once they get that passion for being in school of

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like they can cope with the things that they maybe don't like as much so things like if it's

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the more academic subjects or if it's even kind of the more social aspects

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which is a big thing for

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a little bit kind of nervous to be walking around the corridors.

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It kind of mitigates those factors and it means that they enjoy school.

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Also that confidence within that young person.

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The guy that performed this morning.

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So this is a student who was having

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many,

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many, many...

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incident of um and he would not sit in a classroom um

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but he went from that to being able to learn a new skill which

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has taken many hours yeah i mean he would come in

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he would just be walking around he'd be using people's phones um but now he

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comes up he goes straight to music like and we have a 30 minute slot every morning

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where i just said right okay make time of like and

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show that he is

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Like, I want to help you.

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I'm here to...

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Because, yeah,

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I mean,

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the quote that my wife always thinks,

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because I'm a parent of two -year -olds,

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but we actually...

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Yeah, we adopted.

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So I've only been a parent for about nine months.

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But we've read a lot of parenting.

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Yeah,

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you adopted.

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I adopted a little boy two years ago.

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Yeah, he's four.

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Oh,

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wow. Mashallah.

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But where from?

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Sierra Leone.

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Okay, we adopted from Malawi.

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Oh, wow.

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Okay.

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Yeah,

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so when I say I'm a new parent and someone goes,

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oh, how old's your son?

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I'm like four.

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They're like, how does that work?

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Yeah.

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yeah so uh so no so i mean we've been reading a lot of parenting books and like how

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to communicate with kids particularly younger kids but the quote that my wife

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loves is you're not raising kids you're raising adults and it's not that you're

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like it's not that you're stirred and you're talking to them like an adult but you are saying like okay this

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is so true this is a whole other level right like how

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are you finding it with twins as well me and

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Jen, we're great at kind of reading each other.

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That's good.

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When one needs a break,

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we'll be like,

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right, okay, you go and have a swim.

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Teamwork.

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And we're always aligned.

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Even if we disagreed,

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we'd always be aligned.

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And yeah,

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no, I mean, she...

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She works as well.

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We don't have a nanny.

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It's like the kid's got a nursery.

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It's full on,

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right? You have a whole life before you come and do your work life.

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That's what I never realised before with my parent friends.

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I'm like, oh, I've had five hours of...

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Put your sock on.

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No, I don't want to put my sock on.

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No, no,

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no. I'm like, okay.

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But my level of tiredness is like,

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I did not know I could be this tired.

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And still function.

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I know.

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Kind of.

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But like,

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I mean, it gets to 7pm and the kids go to bed,

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but then I've got to like clean and cook for like an hour and a half,

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like for the stuff for tomorrow.

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And then it's like 8 .30.

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It's like, okay, I'll do any of the prep stuff I have to do for tomorrow.

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But no,

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I mean, it's...

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totally worth it but i was just gonna say it's so wonderful at the same time oh

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my god we get the your kids go to nursery yeah your kids go to nursery of

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um we get these updates on this app educore no i we

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had a similar one yeah yeah oh my god but that just gets you through of like

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i had a really nice message where it was like shadrick comforted another child like

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it was upset those are the most important ones like the the empathy i

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love it when i get oh yeah rafferty health this that yeah but that's what we

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so my back

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My background is like CBT,

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like psychology.

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And then I moved into special needs from

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being an English language teacher.

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I think it's a foreign language,

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but I just use it and it's used to travel.

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But like,

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yeah. And yeah,

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no, I mean, I firmly believe that the kind of empathy and getting

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kids to recognize emotions,

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part of that kind of CBT where it's...

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feelings thoughts and behaviors how they're just so interlinked like you

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can do it with two -year -olds of like and it is a meaningful thing where it's

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it's they would be kind of aware of okay this is why i'm

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it's okay to be angry but it's not okay to hurt someone you know like and it's like kind of labeling it

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and recognize the emotion but no you still can't have any more tv yeah

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no that is it

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I mean, the only thing we let them watch is Daniel Tiger,

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so it's very wholesome.

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Oh, I've not seen that one,

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Daniel Tiger.

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We are into Trash Truck.

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Sesame Street music as well.

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They just put all the Sesame Street music on Netflix.

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Ah, Raph would love that,

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I think.

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Okay, I'll look at that.

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Yeah.

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But amazing,

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congratulations.

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Sorry,

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you segued.

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Totally segued,

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but it all paints the picture.

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Well,

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yeah, this will be my,

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like, second Father's Day.

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Yeah,

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yeah, of course.

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Yeah, we had one when we were in Malawi when we were there for nine months.

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I was meant to start here last academic year.

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You were there for nine months for the adoption process?

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Wow,

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really?

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So we were meant to be there,

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but then,

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yeah,

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it was,

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things just kept getting delayed.

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We got matched,

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but then they were very unhealthy.

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So we didn't want to leave.

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