Voice 001
Jul 08, 2026 17:57
· 48:11
· English
· Whisper Turbo
· 5 Ahotsak
Transkribapen honek gaur iraungitzen du.
Biltegiratze iraunkorraren bertsio-berritzea →
Erakutsi bakarrik
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Start a club.
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Club?
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For what?
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Look for the moon during the day,
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club.
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Every day you look,
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find it.
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It's right there.
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Oh,
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okay.
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Very,
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very, can't see it,
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very covered.
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But I know that it's there because I spotted
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it. I started the club.
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Look for the moon at daytime,
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club.
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I know,
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it's a little weird.
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When you get old,
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you get a little bit quirky.
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Thank you.
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When the moon hits
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the sky...
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Yeah, bring me that first one.
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That first one.
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This one?
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No, no.
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This?
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That one,
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yeah. Oh,
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you haven't seen it yet.
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This thing.
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That's what we just finished,
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Gary.
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Oh, okay.
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You want the other one?
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I was looking at the one,
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yeah.
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Yeah, I know what's your favorite.
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Yeah, like...
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I'm really,
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really disappointed in this piece of wood.
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This is the one you're talking about.
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I made it into a presentation
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to our chief,
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to the Grand Chief.
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This is an exploration of some
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kind of a building and I'm
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very, very disappointed
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that we're able to send that to the Grand Chief.
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who is responsible for 500 million dollars
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of future work.
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It's a lift station and it was intended
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to be a piece of public art instead of an industrial building.
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I don't know what it is.
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I don't know what it is.
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That's what we did today and yesterday to
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go into the new submission.
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Are we going to override this one?
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Yes.
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You can't not send something.
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Once you send it,
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it's there forever,
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okay?
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You can send something,
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cover this other one up,
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that's fine,
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but it doesn't ever cover it up.
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And also I have to note,
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Jim, that you submitted this on your own without CCing anyone from
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our team.
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It went directly to Kishab.
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To Keshev?
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Yes.
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That's why I think all save cards of quality.
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This is not rendering we will be proud of.
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And if someone is not the best in doing renderings,
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they should be seeking help from others in the team.
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Well, I don't agree.
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Well,
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too bad.
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That's a main problem,
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but you don't agree.
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You're unable to fix it because you don't agree with that.
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It's an issue.
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I think this is an awful solution.
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Why is that?
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I would like to listen.
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It looks like a shack.
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It's like a shack.
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How does it do the software look like?
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How does this one look like to you?
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It's the start of a piece of public
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art.
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Okay, why would a smelly lift station be a public part?
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Are you trying to do a needle for a smelly building?
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Trying to do something better than a shack on the road for a lift station.
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Are you aware that this is a smelly building?
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Which?
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A smelly building.
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A building that produces off -smell.
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It may not.
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It may not.
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We're told that it may not.
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It may.
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It leaks.
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Yeah.
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It's a wet well inside.
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It's completely sealed.
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It's not completely sealed.
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To be a bomb,
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it's completely sealed.
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It's ventilated.
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Our team visited a similar lift station on site and they noticed
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a smell when they went close.
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So it makes sense that we don't want people to come too close to such a building.
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Don't you agree with that?
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I'd have to see your research on the smell.
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I don't catch up.
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Is there any smell?
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As I understand,
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the city lift stations are designed so that there's
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no...
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In the design,
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there will be provision for...
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There will be a separate equipment,
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order suppressing.
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A separate what,
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sir? Order suppression.
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Oh, yeah, yeah,
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yeah.
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To kill the smell and odor and everything.
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Yeah. But still it is a sanitary well,
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so still some smell may come out.
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But there will be,
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along with other function mechanism,
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there will be one other order suppression component
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of that one.
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That is what I have spoken in detail with Zai Lam,
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they have everything.
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Yeah.
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So what does the odor suppression system consist of?
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In the wind.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Anyway,
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we're getting out of the meeting topic here.
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You already called our design awful before even checking the design narrative.
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Well,
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I'm just comparing these two,
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that's all.
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Yeah, and you prefer this one.
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That went into our submission.
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Yeah.
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But it's only a suggestion.
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Like anything,
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it's a suggestion if you want to.
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It's not a suggestion if you slip it into our submission without sharing
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the information with anyone first.
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It's a suggestion if you have an open discussion
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about it, if you share it with the team,
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if we design it as a team.
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That's how I see our suggestions.
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The hardest
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thing, you've always been your own guy.
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You had your own shop on Roslyn
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Road, your own office,
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your own...
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You answered the phones and you took out the garbage.
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You did everything from A to B.
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And at one time I had a suggestion.
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My suggestion was that you would have a hard
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time giving someone on the team two pages
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for them to staple together because you wouldn't
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trust them.
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Now that's the definition of
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you on a team.
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You're non -compliant.
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Everything is you.
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But on a team,
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you got to leave your ego on the door by the door.
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You walk in and go say,
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I rule.
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Everything,
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that's crap.
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That's you.
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That's crap.
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Anything that anybody else puts forward,
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that's not you.
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Is crap?
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No,
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I never said that.
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You just said awful before even checking anything.
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No,
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I'm just looking at the tube,
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that's all.
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I'm not having an argument
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with you.
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I'm telling you what I've observed over the last 25
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years.
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You can say whatever you want,
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but I've been observing you for over 25 years now.
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Does that not have something to say?
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Yeah, of course.
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Okay,
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thank you.
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And you have a hard time fitting in with a group.
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And everything that we do here now is group.
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It's not me.
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It's not Christina.
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It's not Gashaw.
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It's not...
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I agree.
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Absolutely.
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I think I'm part of the group.
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I agree.
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Where is it that you belong?
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How do you fit into this group?
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Well,
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it's the architect for buildings.
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On your own,
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without sharing information,
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without coordinating with others?
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Would you like to start talking about examples,
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for example?
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Let's start with the one that's active right now,
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WEM prevention.
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Would you tell me,
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for example, what's Christina's role,
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or Britt's role,
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or anyone's role in designing your building?
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Bring those other things out.
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We want to discuss them also.
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How it comes,
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how is it that we are?
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I'm the architect,
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and Jovel's helping me,
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and Christina's there for...
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This is not even that role in the building where Jovel is helping me.
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He's not your servant.
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Jovel is also,
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he got his own ideas,
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and he can help you with the design.
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And he has,
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he has.
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Yes,
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and how come Christina was never part of the design itself?
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She's an indigenous assistant.
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She knows about indigenous culture more than you and
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me, Jim.
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She doesn't have to be a designer.
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Brett, guess what?
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Brett has been part of every project this year as a cultural advisor.
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He doesn't have to be an architect engineer to be part of the team.
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Architects don't know everything on their own.
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Jim,
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I'm going to ask you a question.
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Have you ever asked Aaron or Brett anything
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related to cultural from any one of your building designs?
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Well, the answer is no.
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And here's a First Nation member,
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a member of Peguus First Nation,
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another member of another First Nation that
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would have the cultural awareness maybe that you don't have,
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and you could question and get a little bit of information from,
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but you don't want
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to go there, that's okay.
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So I don't know where you get your cultural information from,
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if any.
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Do we have others?
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Oh,
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we have many.
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Okay,
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let's start, please.
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I'll start very,
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or maybe a bit way back,
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my way.
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It was that the meltdown Vinit was responsible for it,
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but there were signs.
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I can say confidently that the client was not satisfied with
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our planning and our presentation.
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This one.
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This was the very latest we have on file.
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In December 2025,
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while we still have ECFS contractually as our client,
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they went to also work to develop this.
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and had this posted online,
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just because we couldn't satisfy them,
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we couldn't provide them with a plan that matched their expectations.
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What they wanted was these little pictures,
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these little pictures of what was there,
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that's kind of what they wanted,
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right?
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I don't know.
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That's what they wanted.
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There was nothing wrong with this,
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this is what they wanted here.
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And they got it.
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They got it from someone else,
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yes.
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We didn't get the job,
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Jim. I'll talk about something real quick here.
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Jim,
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I fundamentally disagree with the way you do design in general,
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in terms of planning and architecture.
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I noticed that you disregard site analysis,
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you disregard cultural references.
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You tend to draw a shape and then work in
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that shape.
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You basically lock yourself in a shape.
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This is a very clear example.
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The site analysis and the cultural references...
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are all done before that comes
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out.
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Okay,
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now please tell me,
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how does your circle fit the site?
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Did you notice any waste of spaces at the corners?
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I remember your presentation,
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you call this a community,
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just for it being a circle.
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Is a community a circle?
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Is that all about it?
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Okay,
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just tell me,
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how does the solar analysis function on this planet?
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What did you take into consideration arranging them around?
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Which one is facing the sun and why?
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It's not as important in this case.
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The important case in this case was the sense of community with the community
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hall in the center with all the other
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facilities that relate to it relating to it.
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How about the next one?
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Is it important here at all?
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Pardon me?
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The next one?
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Yeah.
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That's a different one.
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That's a different one.
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Each one takes a different...
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concept right this is a concept of uh of the
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the vehicular and the pedestrian being separated which is done
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in the how does the sun affected your planning here did you consider it it
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it doesn't the sun is the same the sun is the same all over no no
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it's direct from the south it's indirect from the north you get much less from
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it in winter especially from the north
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I completely disagree with the way you design,
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to be honest.
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And when we invited you to be part
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of the Wyskwe Civic team to develop the options together,
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you are the one who took us to the competition class.
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You are the one who said,
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you guys develop your options,
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and you allowed yourself to develop two by the way.
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No,
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no, no.
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You didn't invite me,
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I invited you.
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I called you to come to the office and you refused.
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You only came after you finished your own options.
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No, no,
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I started this project and I invited you to
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come along and do an option because you seemed to be very interested in it.
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Very nice of you.
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How did it turn out?
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It turned out you disregarded,
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you didn't want to play as a team.
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You wanted to just do it yourself.
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I had a vision of how the
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three could be presented.
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equally so that the client could have a look at each one and see which one was
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best. So they presented equally.
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This is crazy.
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Why are we doing this?
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What are you doing?
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I don't want to yell at you,
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so why are you yelling at me?
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It doesn't help.
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I'm not yelling at you.
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I'm just showing you what we have on file and why we reach it
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to the point where we avoid you as an architecture on file.
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I think this is a fine design.
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And if you were to present yours in the same way,
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they would have been able to judge A,
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B, and C.
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Who had a say in designing this other than you,
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Jim? Nobody.
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Wonderful.
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Option four,
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which I presented,
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almost everyone in the office had a say.
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Stephen and Kishel,
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the civil engineers,
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had a say in the design.
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Their initial design.
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Joel, Christina,
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even Gary is the one who said that I can tell each person and how they contributed
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to the design.
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We didn't do any of that.
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And then you're blaming graphics.
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You will say, elbows to elbows.
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I use graphics to get the option selected.
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But it's much deeper than that.
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James,
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we haven't really explained.
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We're trying to explain to you why you are now going to receive
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a new title.
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Title is going to be in charge of
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technical...
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What's that new title for Jim now?
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Architecture advisor.
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Architecture advisor.
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This is what this is all about,
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Jim. That's fine.
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That's fine.
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I agree with that.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
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We want to explain to you why we got
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to that point and basically how
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you're going to have to overcome some of the things now.
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It's not about us yelling at you and you yelling at us.
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That's the past.
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That's from projects,
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previous projects that are gone now.
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It's like shutting the barn door after the cow's
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gone. It's not.
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We're not yelling.
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Speaker 3 (Voice 001)
You're not yelling.
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It's a lesson in understanding.
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That's what all of this is.
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No, that's fine.
15:56
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Speaker 1 (Voice 001)
That's fine.
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I agree.
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All of the projects that we've done together for the
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past 15,
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20 years,
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they've all been successful.
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Right?
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We've all been successful.
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That's fine.
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You want to do something else?
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That's fine.
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I'm open to it.
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But all I'm saying,
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what we've done before has been very successful.
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In your view?
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In the client's view.
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In everybody's view.
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Because they paid the invoices?
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Because they paid the invoices,
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is that how you define success?
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No, no.
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They like it.
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They like it.
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Pegwus loves their arena.
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And Nishikawa loves
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the arena.
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And PCFS,
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do they like the plan?
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I think so.
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So why did they go towards the wall?
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Because it's
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civil, that's why.
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Absolutely,
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because there was not the planning,
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it was a civil screw -up,
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the fact that we had a building built that they love,
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but it's got no water and sewer.
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There may have been some planning involved in there that went awry
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that we didn't have planning to have it when the building was going
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to be completed.
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All of the sewer,
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water,
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all the utilities are done.
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So maybe that wasn't a part of it.
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I'm not trying to say it's you or say it's us.
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Speaker 1 (Voice 001)
Why?
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It doesn't matter.
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They're not.
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They've gone to another client.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because they've got no swim water.
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I would go to a client too.
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We've lost the best client that
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we ever,
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ever had.
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That's right.
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And it's not my fault.
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Speaker 1 (Voice 001)
No,
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no. Nothing is your fault,
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Jim. No,
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no. I'm aware of that.
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I'm aware of that.
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Speaker 1 (Voice 001)
No, you wouldn't say nothing.
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Speaker 1 (Voice 001)
You put words in my mouth.
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Speaker 3 (Voice 001)
I'm telling you.
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It's never your fault,
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Jim.
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Regardless of the answer,
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the ego is by the door.
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The speaker discusses a project they are working on, including a lift station that produces off-smell and is not completely sealed. They express disappointment in the rendering of the project and suggest that the team should seek help from others in the team. They also mention that the project is responsible for 500 million dollars of future work and is intended to be a piece of public art instead of an industrial building.
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