NAOSL - World Bank Review Meeting-20260917_101444-Meeting Recording 1 (1)
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3:18บท 1: But can you otherwise engage them? 7s · Speaker 1
But can you otherwise engage them? Or is there a thing that we would like to see for each series?
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10:29บท 2: way forward. 124s · Speaker 3
way forward. The next two years, we'll use two for implementation rather than still doing intellectual debate on what's to be done. If you're still in that field, we might say, you're still in a gray zone, nothing much is going to happen. S…
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In this state, as we plan, completed our exceptional section. Then now, we have realised our real world, We have realised that is where we have to go. Our work is to streamline our next step. But according to the ministry, it has to take a …
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13:45บท 4: It is worth the time having been invested. 69s · Speaker 2
It is worth the time having been invested. There is no point rushing into something just for the sake of time. Sometimes we imagine a certain PWA, a certain scope, but they actually go deep dive. They realize that there are some other issue…
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14:55บท 5: and the land, and the scale, and the business. 62s · Speaker 5
and the land, and the scale, and the business. to suit the preliminary consequences and also the general practices and discussion. Then now we are in some kind of practice, And because we cannot compare any other countries, general practice…
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15:58บท 6: Therefore, we are a little bit difficult in benchmarking sometimes, but only we have to have such a benchmarking country to develop. 123s · Speaker 4
Therefore, we are a little bit difficult in benchmarking sometimes, but only we have to have such a benchmarking country to develop. that is smart and secondly then once we complete we have to develop our own functionalization process yeste…
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18:01บท 7: But anyway, as per our understanding, they also introduce a kind of opposite. 115s · Speaker 6
But anyway, as per our understanding, they also introduce a kind of opposite. and customize it to the company. Then I hear from behind or so, we agree with that, you know, I'm going to be close with it still, but I'm sexually, in principali…
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they they they are are they they are they I was so confused to understand that particular subject, but they agreed to have another meeting, and when I stood here, I didn't need an understanding of what is happening, that is also there. Then…
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is purely, even if it is new or not, purely we are in big trouble with the nine months or five months, seven months ago, in this limited time, camp has been built. But anyway, this is the most In terms of the time availability, we had a mee…
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23:01บท 10: We can separate it now. 46s · Speaker 8
We can separate it now. First, we haven't visualized that situation. That gets dropped completely. But then still some money will get cancelled. We don't want the grant funds to get cancelled. It's called grant funds. Unutilized is close to…
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24:02บท 11: I said that we can compete with this process. 150s · Speaker 1
I said that we can compete with this process. Because only in the sense we can even know that if we have such kind of dreams, how we do not want to stay more with the procurement process. So only in the sense, we have experienced the evolvi…
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26:33บท 12: you know, legal requirements are slightly different, you know, so we had to strike the balance. 63s · Speaker 8
you know, legal requirements are slightly different, you know, so we had to strike the balance. but keeping any, you know, 10 years and 10 years adaptability for the future. So this is where we have decided to develop different manuals to d…
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27:37บท 13: Sorry, just to go back to Michael's point, the restructure, you could say on this, there is a support on the study. 97s · Speaker 4
Sorry, just to go back to Michael's point, the restructure, you could say on this, there is a support on the study. This is, these are the gap analytics, right? And there's a clear way forward on development of the way to explain. This is r…
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29:15บท 14: members separately, when the experiment grows. 117s · Speaker 8
members separately, when the experiment grows. and develop different units for the specialization, so that the manuals can be used as it is. But for the short run, to manage the requirement based on that, we will develop as a special manual…
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So under manuals can be developed, but how does it actually, do they give you the basic inputs for you to be able to have a view on to comment on their performance. How does it actually work? I don't know. If you've seen any, if you've seen…
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36:16บท 16: of an entity. 219s · Speaker 1
of an entity. So, I don't know if you do it for health education. Do you comment on their performance? Yes. In what way? I mean, in the sense health might be running five new programs. Each program will have its own objectives, indicators i…
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39:56บท 17: only the private bank. 97s · Speaker 6
only the private bank. That was to each subject. They are blessed by yourself not to see about the financial material in the organization, in the auditorium. But they want to see from the auditorium report, what are the malpractice, what ar…
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41:34บท 18: But we are giving ourselves three years or five years to do the reform activity. 63s · Speaker 4
But we are giving ourselves three years or five years to do the reform activity. At the end of five years, you comment whether you have achieved or not achieved, is fair. You are giving the entity three years or five years to do the reform …
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42:38บท 19: Then you will cover procurement, you will cover planning, you will cover stages, stakes, we will talk about manpower, cold chain. 69s · Speaker 3
Then you will cover procurement, you will cover planning, you will cover stages, stakes, we will talk about manpower, cold chain. the actual reduced reduction in disease burden as a result of immunization reduction in MMR, IMR. So, for that…
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43:47บท 20: or it is both, you know, over the last several years, open different industries. 300s · Speaker 5
or it is both, you know, over the last several years, open different industries. It is, I mean, as he, as he said, the readers sometimes, they expect. So then just the financial impact. You know, so what is right now is happening. One, what…
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48:48บท 21: coming to India is investing some 20 -30 billion dollars. 106s · Speaker 2
coming to India is investing some 20 -30 billion dollars. So this year they started planning for that performance audit. This year, in December, they are doing planning. They are collaborating with various domain experts, urban labs, univer…
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50:43บท 22: We are doing performance audit, we are looking at some different aspects, Other than the minor aspect, it is very simple. 142s · Speaker 1
We are doing performance audit, we are looking at some different aspects, Other than the minor aspect, it is very simple. We have a team, not only the minor aspect, but in other aspects. We have mentioned to you, It's clear in our head that…
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53:06บท 23: I am in the house. 100s · Speaker 3
I am in the house. I am in the house. So that's why I am telling you, right? If I have gone from the house today, from 2009 to 2016, now what is the situation of this fund? What is the situation of this fund? So they are not done, not perfo…
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54:47บท 24: performance. 246s · Speaker 1
performance. How our results are trained enable them to go into such areas that they don't bring their observations into the report. So, for example, I have done professional learning centers under the Ministry of Education. So, we have gon…
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And that's exactly what we are trying to build in our methodology too. So for example, in the audit procedure manual, we're trying to figure out how all these audits will come together. For example, how you will figure out whether there is …
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which is India, that performance audit reports are really moved forward to, and then they make headlines in terms of you know, and the options that we have for So that's what will make the organization more powerful and more responsive towa…
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1:04:26บท 27: It's probably the right way to put it. 301s · Speaker 3
It's probably the right way to put it. It kind of creates it. This is what we will be doing as part of the support of my needs. I mean, we need to have an agreement on that, I think, approach of what and how we like this. That's it. Then wi…
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1:09:44บท 28: So, if I jump, I will sort of get in the open. 300s · Speaker 2
So, if I jump, I will sort of get in the open. Thank you very much. it's not a small You'll be I think they are all on the same page. Yeah, so in fact, I should be all agree that performance on trade requires a lot of NHS. and hence it is t…
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1:14:44บท 29: So, are we clear on what is the problem? 88s · Speaker 2
So, are we clear on what is the problem? of course, whether we have covered real income, even if we are writing this. and then we have to take it, we have to take it to the end, really cover those things. Then actually we use it, then we se…
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1:16:12บท 30: points out. 129s · Speaker 7
points out. Coming to work in operational performance. We have been in countries already now. So our officers are there in branches, team organizations throughout the area. So until the announcements are submitted by OGTE, so we have to go …
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1:18:21บท 31: local audit, departmental audit. 124s · Speaker 3
local audit, departmental audit. It cannot create the material flavor of what is wrong. But it won't give an impact upon the same thing to combine as part of a performance audit. Say RDA runs a program of 10 ,000 bridges or something they w…
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1:20:26บท 32: It proves. 73s · Speaker 6
It proves. I don't think it's happening. They would have to be in their office to do the auditors. It is fully functioning and our e -progress system also gets functioning. Remotely, you can have access to that sitting in this office. A lot…
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and they have said that you would invent risk -based audit. In that case, there will be a risk that will be done sector -based and also entity -wise. Those risks will be done and before embarking on a financial audit, they will already know…
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1:23:12บท 34: For human power, everybody should have it. 61s · Speaker 3
For human power, everybody should have it. Even banking in terms of loan loss provisioning is the biggest one. Are you providing adequately for the loan loss in terms of... very strict central bank guidelines are there. Are they actually pr…
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1:24:13บท 35: tracing the system, it will be great. 83s · Speaker 1
tracing the system, it will be great. There we have to be very cautious in terms of everything cannot happen in two years. So to prioritize what you will do in the first years and then scope can be there and eventually we want all this. So …
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1:25:36บท 36: That's a great comfort, because you know, the discomfort that we had is from the technology plan. 99s · Speaker 8
That's a great comfort, because you know, the discomfort that we had is from the technology plan. And the discomfort is done right now as the things stand as you know. Okay, that even in the gas analysis report also, what we are trying to s…
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1:27:16บท 37: Can't even put a pen drive. 257s · Speaker 2
Can't even put a pen drive. Yes. So pen drive. There is encrypted. You have to answer. Now we can put it. Give me a pen drive. We do not allow it to be read. Yes. I will not have any communication on that. It will be on my domain, which is …
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1:31:34บท 38: up in our department, right? 80s · Speaker 7
up in our department, right? It's an opportunity to look at the list. Yes, of course. We can go to the even we can have some of the forums also not talking about this right so now what is to be there not really in terms of uh did not have a…
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1:32:54บท 39: looks like. 72s · Speaker 4
looks like. But he said one of the aspects is women developing IT policy, but that's not the only thing. You also need support system for your, you know, IT assets that you created because they will not run on their own IT. One or the other…
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we get a main confirm that this has been through the bank verification yeah we understand so so we'll have a thousand laptops scattered if there's a problem yes so it's worth from what i'm saying is taking a qubit it's worth investing in th…
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1:36:33บท 41: So when he actually dealt with this problem, he came up with a very interesting anecdote from India. 63s · Speaker 8
So when he actually dealt with this problem, he came up with a very interesting anecdote from India. Today, we run an organization as part of one of the transformation journeys where they are going in for a huge transformation exercise. In …
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1:37:36บท 42: That's it. 90s · Speaker 2
That's it. Costing and I got a request that from Sri Lanka and RBI want to do some training. $100 ,000. I said, send it back. Look at overall, this is the restructuring. You have only limited resources. You decide where you want to deploy t…
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1:39:06บท 43: Srinivasan. 57s · Speaker 3
Srinivasan. He also shared with us his experience from Oman. He was supporting Oman in the transformation. That generally takes five to seven years. They have the resources. Yes. it's with the IT person only you know let me leave the show
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1:40:08บท 44: I'll let me get you you you you Thank you. 100s · Speaker 1
I'll let me get you you you you Thank you. to focus on This is based on what you can hear. Some of the inputs today is to the session. The paragraph in terms of what has been done so far has been promised and what we want to do. They extend…
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has been done, but now I think training has to be more strategy. Instead of training the army, you have to train a select group of people who aren't dedicated more people to invest more in the foreign -training local things that you identif…
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1:44:33บท 46: Thank you. 78s · Speaker 1
Thank you. uh the organization uh also leads to another it transformation Because down the line, after five years or so, the entire audit activity will be on IT systems.
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So, at the moment we look at what is there and what is not there. We find that there is no IT governance and policy, no access management, or there is no end point security, business continuity and recovery in case some challenge happens at…
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most of the time, the audience is on the field, so, Absolutely. So this is the current state and it will not be visible I think probably from here. So on the left column I have the current state and then the middle column is our business an…
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Essentially, we need to have a digital foundation where we have, apart from these activities, we equip our people, we replace the right processes and procedures to ensure that we are able to conduct our business in an IT center. So these ar…
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1:51:29บท 50: It's so ideal. 263s · Speaker 8
It's so ideal. See, realistically. without diluting what could be the bare threshold minimum that they could achieve because we may not have the resources nor I think the bandwidth to be able to it's good aspiration. but what could they sta…
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with phase -wise, find it, go long, not a big fan approach where we go on. and see its success how we succeed in that one of those local change management see that organizations like us here we can do some bit of policy making for you in te…
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1:57:13บท 52: Yes. And for whatever it is required, you can always come to your office, or you can look at some satellite offices, or you can look at those. 301s · Speaker 4
Yes. And for whatever it is required, you can always come to your office, or you can look at some satellite offices, or you can look at those. These are very much possible. For example, even with your Wi -Fi and everything, you can have a c…
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Sir, there is also one thing which we need to dedicate and that's where it is very important, like how much of it do we want to also offer? Do you want to really be an IT leader and think about COVID -19? Or do we know it from the love day?…
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2:03:41บท 54: here. Do you know how to do something? 208s · Speaker 3
here. Do you know how to do something? Yes. Then while we are doing, then we have to be on the field. Yes. Then we have to learn more things. If we have to be here, please go to U .S .T., please go to U .S .T., please go to U .S .T., please…
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On the other hand, that's why we are talking to India in one and a half years back, looking at it, they said, for many can -tos, they've got proprietary tools. For extracting data, analyzing, these are not, they couldn't develop, but they b…
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So, if you think that what we have said makes sense for the organization and we need to put it in our program, then it has to be restructured, told to us and then we can look at how this thing we've done. There are multiple ways of enabling…
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2:12:02บท 57: we have run this tool successfully in various countries. 96s · Speaker 7
we have run this tool successfully in various countries. Then there are other variations also, wherein a lot of personalization is needed. For example, ACP is one. And then I believe there's also another. They also open up socialists. And h…
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2:13:39บท 58: Yeah. Somehow there is nothing around its own. 100s · Speaker 4
Yeah. Somehow there is nothing around its own. So, sir, what is... how is AMS distributed? Maybe officers are available in headquarters, but there are smaller audit offices. And then there are officers who are working on field. And they use…
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2:15:19บท 59: we will extract that data. 100s · Speaker 3
we will extract that data. And all of these capabilities will be sitting on to a Lankan Government Cloud. Lankan Government Cloud or any other certified in -country cloud. It could be a private cloud also, but it could be like a dialogue. Y…
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will have switches, will have a bigger Wi -Fi with 24 ports and all these things depending on the number of people that are there, we need to ensure that minimum post -interest capabilities are made available to that office to function. So,…
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2:20:01บท 61: There is a benchmark also to compare it with. 134s · Speaker 8
There is a benchmark also to compare it with. So it's not that it can be benchmarked to what teenagers can be. It's far from there. In terms of even if you don't benchmark, what are the functionalities and maybe apart from hearing from idea…
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2:22:15บท 62: not one entity. 284s · Speaker 4
not one entity. Yes. And entity conflict will be there because you will not be able to run your reports well. Now that is one. thing that i noticed in just looking at it won't have enough but the point is i don't even know what the scene is…
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2:27:19บท 63: And there is too much technical to us? 183s · Speaker 2
And there is too much technical to us? Is this to be a stimulus prior to the illness? Yes. Yeah. And also within this, we've been discussing the with the broader thing that the voluntary assurance unit is weak or something else, they should…
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2:30:30บท 64: You have resolutions which are available, so you have multiple channels to reach our community support services. 84s · Speaker 8
You have resolutions which are available, so you have multiple channels to reach our community support services. and say that, you know, my password is not working. So you reach out to a chat window or you can reach out to a phone call and …
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2:31:56บท 65: Rendering is very different. 224s · Speaker 1
Rendering is very different. It is not that often there is... So then how do you try to read this story there? So basically, let us have this story in the phases. In phase one, we find out what is needed. And in phase one, they said that th…
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2:35:40บท 66: deployed? 97s · Speaker 3
deployed? Say they could be one or two, say they go with IDID. So the AMS is not delivered to low cost. So they have more space available to invest in this. Other option is no, this is not. There's more in the AMS, there's less available. .…
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2:37:18บท 67: in euro terms. 184s · Speaker 1
in euro terms. How that will get allocated between EGP here and our own bank. Maybe we might have another $300 ,000 extra available. We can't program that now. That will happen later on. Because I don't want to say that we start committing …