Episode_001_Ionian_PreSocratic_Philosophy

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Hello, everyone.
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I'm Stephen West,
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and this is the Philosophize This podcast.
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The first episode of this show was released on June 6th of 2013,
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and it was the first creative thing I ever uttered into a microphone in my entire life.
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Now,
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needless to say,
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since I started,
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I've learned a lot of lessons when it comes to creating a show that brings as much value to people's time as possible.
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Bottom line is this.
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If you listen to the first episode and you like it,
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you're golden.
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You have over 100 episodes to listen to.
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I hope you love all of them.
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But if you listen to the first episode and think it's slow or cringy
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or,
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you know,
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it's so talking like this,
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it sounds like somebody's Roomba came to life and did a podcast.
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Try skipping forward to around episode 90 and see if you enjoy it more.
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You can always go back as far as you can bear after that.
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That said,
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I hope to see you all at present day soon.
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And thank you for wanting to know more today than you did yesterday.
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Hello,
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everyone.
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It's me, Stephen West.
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And boy,
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do we have a lot of great philosophy stuff to talk about today.
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You know,
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I just learned something,
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everybody.
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It turns out that if you're listening to this podcast right
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now, if you were to trace back your family's heritage as far
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as you could go,
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if you were to follow the branches of your family tree all
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the way up to the canopy of that family tree,
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you'd find that you come from the sub -Saharan plains of Africa.
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Yeah.
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It turns out,
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all humans that are alive today can trace their roots back to those same eastern
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sub -Saharan plains.
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Now,
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I'm not a paleontologist,
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folks. Do I look like a paleontologist to you?
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I'm not trying to attack anyone's beliefs here.
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This idea that we're talking about,
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that at one point all humans lived in Africa,
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it's called the Out of Africa Theory.
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And there's several other reputable arguments against it.
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During my research,
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I realized that...
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How humans colonize the globe is one of the most heavily debated topics
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in all of human history,
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and I'm not attacking anyone.
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If you want my opinion,
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the Out of Africa Theory is probably like most things in history.
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We're probably completely wrong,
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and in 10 years,
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some new evidence is going to turn up that changes how we think about things for the next 10 years,
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and so on and so forth.
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But the reason I'm bringing it up today is because to understand
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early philosophy...
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I think it's important to understand the early human decisions that made philosophy even
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able to exist in the first place.
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So bear with me for a second,
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guys. The story begins here.
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Once upon a time,
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a long,
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long time ago,
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every human lived together in Africa.
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One big happy family,
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right? We were a nomadic,
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tribal people.
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We loved to move around.
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But more importantly,
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we loved to socialize with each other.
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And this desire to socialize with each other is a hallmark of the human species
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no matter how far back you go in history.
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I mean,
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you even see it today,
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right? This is why people love social media.
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This is why we lock a guy in solitary confinement for three months
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and he comes out completely insane.
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There's something inherent in the human brain that wants
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and needs social interaction.
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And even humans 100 ,000 years ago weren't an exception to this.
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The archaeological record shows that we would kind of congregate around these makeshift
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fire pits and caves and,
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I mean,
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just basically in places where we had a strategic advantage against predators and were able to
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sit around and just talk.
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Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there probably wasn't much
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to talk about back then.
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I mean,
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we were sitting around a fire,
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so my guess is in between sets of kumbaya we'd start to talk about things that were plaguing
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us.
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Like, I don't know,
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the fact it's 170 degrees outside every day in Africa,
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or the fact there's...
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Absolutely no drinkable water anywhere to be found.
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And that fun little problem probably always leads into the anecdote
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your uncle always likes to tell about that day he went to go drink from one of these stagnant pools of
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dirty water.
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And he got trampled by a hippo like it's Black Friday at Walmart because
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he tried to drink its home.
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Africa wasn't perfect,
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people. That's all I'm saying.
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Africa had its problems.
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So instead of complaining about these problems endlessly,
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we went north to a place called the Fertile Crescent.
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Nice neighborhood.
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You've probably heard of it before.
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If you don't know what the Fertile Crescent is,
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it's right where Europe and Africa meet together by the Mediterranean Sea.
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There's kind of a crescent -shaped temperate land there.
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It's temperate because it was only a mere 110 degrees Fahrenheit during the day,
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so obviously we kept moving.
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If you get a chance,
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take a look at one of these maps that shows the migratory paths of these early humans.
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You can pull it up on Google Images,
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no problem.
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But if for some reason you can't find it or have a boycott against Google,
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check it out on StephenWestShow .net.
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We're going to have it posted up there as well.
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There's a fork in the road there at the Fertile Crescent.
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We obviously decided we weren't going to keep going north,
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but then there was kind of a disagreement.
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Some of these humans went westward over to the area of Greece,
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Italy, and eventually to Western Europe.
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And some of them went east over to India and China,
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north to Russia,
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then across.
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the world -famous intercontinental ice bridge to Alaska.
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Then they stopped by Sarah Palin's house for a few days and eventually made their
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way down to South America where the Incans and Mayans eventually cropped up.
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But try to imagine being one of these early humans for a second,
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people. You have no idea what lies ahead of you.
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I mean, you're just walking.
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When these people started moving,
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they had no idea if the continent of Africa was just
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surrounded by a pool of lava or something.
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They had no idea if something like the Grand Canyon was just over the next hill.
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They had no idea where their next meal was going to come from.
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No idea if,
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while they were trying to navigate all these problems,
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if there was some ruthless predator stalking them and hunting them the entire time.
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Not to mention...
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All of this is uncharted,
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unnavigated terrain where at any point you could just slip,
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fall,
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break a hip,
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something,
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right?
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There was no St.
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Joseph's Medical Center on the corner for these guys back then,
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and even a slightly mangled arm was just a complete death
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sentence.
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The entire thing is just terrifying
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to me.
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if we lived back then you guys would see me down in africa cowering in the corner just working
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really hard on trying to invent the air conditioner as soon as possible making do but
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what these early human settlers did to cope with this adversity that was thrown their way
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was they employed the idea of strength in numbers
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You see a lot of early military conflicts where this concept is used,
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but this greatly precedes any military conflicts.
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This precedes civilization.
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They realized there was a serious threat to their existence,
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and they only had a handful of people to work with,
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and they grouped together,
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always around geographic areas with an abundance of resources.
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And this is the first point I want to touch on.
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If you look back at any progress the human species has made over the course of history,
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If you look back to any group of humans that did well,
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their success can be distilled down not to the fact that
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one race of people or one group of people were more clever than another,
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because we were all really clever,
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right? It can be distilled down to how much of that cleverness needed to
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be used to gather the basic necessities of life.
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And it makes sense,
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right? If you don't need to worry about where your next meal is going to come from or
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whether a pack of wolves is going to steal your baby in the middle of the night,
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you can focus on other things like art,
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science,
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government, and philosophy,
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as it turns out.
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Philosophy really is just one of these extra things made possible by extra human
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brain power.
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Do you know what I'd compare it to?
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I'd compare it to the show The Walking Dead.
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And if you've never seen The Walking Dead,
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I'll make this quick.
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So on one hand,
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you have Rick, the protagonist of the series.
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He has this nice multicultural group of friends he's always trying to protect,
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and their life is terrible.
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They're like the early human settlers.
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They're always on the run.
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I mean, heaven forbid anyone stops to have a five -minute heartfelt conversation
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about their life before the zombies took over,
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because there's zombies in every bush.
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You just hear like...
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And then there's this giant zombie dog pile on top of someone and you never see them on the
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show again.
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They have no idea where their next meal is going to come from.
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They're always eating those disgusting cans of Vienna sausages.
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Their life is just like the early human settlers.
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They have no idea what the next day holds for them.
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But conversely,
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you have Woodbury,
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formerly a residential street.
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You got walls,
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towers,
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armed guards constantly looking out for threats.
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The people in that city...
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Although they live in the same volatile,
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unpredictable world as the other people,
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their strength in numbers allows them to focus on other things,
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like why they're taking orders from the only non -pirate in the history
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of the world to ever wear a black eye patch.
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Now,
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Western philosophy begins in two geographic areas that are actually
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right next to each other.
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Do you remember that fork in the road we were talking about at the Fertile Crescent?
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Well, one of those paths goes westward on that fork.
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And these two geographic regions we're talking about right now lie along
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that westward path,
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Greece and Italy.
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And both these areas are just groups of these little
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Woodbury -style cities that are closely knitted together.
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All pre -Socratic thought is organized as coming from
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one of these two geographic regions.
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One is the Italian style of thinking.
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As you can probably guess,
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that's modern -day Italy and Sicily,
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that area over there.
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And the other one,
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the one we're going to talk about today,
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that's the Ionian,
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or the Greek style of thinking.
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That's modern -day Turkey and Greece,
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and where those two countries meet the Mediterranean Sea,
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that whole region right there,
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that whole coastline,
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is known as the Ionian coast.
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Now,
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both these geographic regions not only knew about each other,
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they influenced each other,
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they refuted each other.
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And that little high school rivalry dynamic that existed between them,
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it turned out to be extremely beneficial for the progress of philosophy in the
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long run.
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But before we talk about them,
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and I'll...
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All their brilliant ideas.
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I think it's important to address the elephant in the room.
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Ironically,
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it's an elephant that I'm sure next to nobody even cares about.
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But to be fair,
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there's got to be at least one 60 -year -old white dude that teaches
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philosophy at NYU listening to the podcast right now.
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And he's going to be really upset if I don't address this.
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The term pre -Socratic.
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Major source of contention in the philosophical world.
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Countless fights have been started at philosophy -themed bars over the years because of this.
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But it's something that's interesting to know,
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and it basically comes down to this.
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In 469 BC,
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a guy named Socrates was born that was a complete game -changer for the world of
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philosophy.
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No question about it.
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I mean,
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people that don't know anything about philosophy have heard his name before.
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He had such a profound influence on which
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philosophical questions were asked and who could ask them.
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Because, I mean,
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before him,
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philosophy was something reserved for the rich and the elite to study.
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And he kind of made it so that pretty much everyone was a philosopher.
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It was huge.
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It was a big day in philosophy,
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actually.
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So big that in the early 1900s,
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some guy was writing a book on ancient Greek philosophy,
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and he just decided to refer to everyone that came before him as a
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pre -Socratic thinker.
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Like pre -Socratic.
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Like before Socrates.
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And the term kind of just stuck,
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I guess.
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Now,
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there's really good arguments on both sides,
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but some people don't like the term pre -Socratic.
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They say it undermines just how brilliant all of them were,
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and it even kind of insinuates they were inferior to Socrates in some way.
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Personally,
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I can kind of see where they're coming from.
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I mean, try to imagine if you had a sister named Jessica,
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for example.
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Let's say Jessica got all straight A's through high school,
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head cheerleader,
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valedictorian,
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got accepted to Cambridge,
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was knighted.
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Basically,
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she's an accomplished person for all intents and purposes,
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and you're back in downtown Cleveland working at some pickle factory.
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I mean,
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I don't judge you.
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It's got good benefits,
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right? But imagine if your parents,
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every time they were talking to their friends,
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was like, hey,
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yes,
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you're a pre -Jessica child.
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Yes, pre -Jessica.
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Wow.
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I have no idea why your parents are related to the monopoly guy
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in that example,
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but you can definitely see how it would be condescending,
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right? I'm not,
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wow. Now,
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if you do any basic research online,
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you're going to find a ton of people that say it's appropriate to label them something
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different because pre -Socratics dealt with strictly metaphysical claims.
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Metaphysics is the study of what everything around us is made of and how did it get here.
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where Socrates didn't deal with stuff like that.
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He dealt with issues surrounding epistemology.
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Epistemology is the study of knowledge.
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How do we know what we know?
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And,
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I mean, I guess if you read that online,
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it's like most things on the internet.
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It's not entirely true?
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Yes,
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it is true they dealt with less issues of epistemology than Socrates,
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but they definitely did address them.
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So to use that as your only validation to cast them into exile on
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this island of misfit philosophers before Socrates is just,
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Dishonest.
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But that said,
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we're still going to call them pre -Socratics,
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because pretty much everyone else does.
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And it actually works in coalition nicely with our purposes here today.
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I mean,
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at least whenever I'm learning anything,
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it really helps to be able to categorize things into different groups.
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It helps me remember it better.
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Like, when I think of early Western philosophy,
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I think of it in terms of three chunks.
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There's the pre -Socratics,
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then the next chunk is Socrates,
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Plato, Aristotle,
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and then the next chunk would be post -Aristotle to the medieval period,
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etc. I mean,
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it just makes it a lot easier.
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But just as long as we keep in mind that we're categorizing them,
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not because they're inferior to Socrates in any way,
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but just to identify them for their own unique characteristics.
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I mean,
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you have to keep in mind that...
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When these first pre -Socratic started popping up,
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which is right around 620 BC,
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2 ,000 years ago,
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the breaking scientific news at the time was that magnets
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were alive and had souls.
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I mean,
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it made sense,
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right? I mean, you held a piece of metal up to it and it created its own movement,
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right?
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So it's basically alive.
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That's how they saw it.
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And the guy that came up with that theory...
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was an amazing guy.
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And he's not only the guy that we're going to talk about first
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here today, but he was the first philosopher of all time.
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And his name was Thales.
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Thales
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was the OG of philosophy.
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I mean,
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nobody came before this guy,
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you guys.
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Nobody.
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He had nothing to pull from.
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to go off of,
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he was it.
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He really was the first person to look around
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him at all of the amazing nature,
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all the rocks,
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the trees,
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the birds,
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and say, maybe all this wasn't put here by some supernatural god.
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Maybe there's a rational explanation for everything.
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But the way I always think about him is,
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if TV existed back when Thales was alive,
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this guy would have been the bachelor.
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He would be the perfect bachelor.
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For a number of reasons.
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First, have you ever seen one of those Greek likeness statues of the guy?
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The man could be mistaken for a Greek god.
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If you glanced at him out of the corner of your eye,
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you might think that the gods actually exist.
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He was a strapping,
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attractive man.
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Chiseled features.
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Full -bodied,
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voluminous,
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curly hair.
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He was like a guy on an Herbal Essences commercial.
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Strong jawline.
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I can't say much about his eyes,
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because as you know,
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these Greek likeness statues don't have pupils.
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I guess we hadn't evolved them yet.
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But if he had pupils,
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there's no question they'd be deep,
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generous,
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battle -hardened eyes.
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But that's not all.
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No.
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I mean, just being a pretty face doesn't get you on The Bachelor.
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You've got to be the whole package.
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He was very highly educated for his time.
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Really well -versed in geometry and astronomy,
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two subjects that historians think he picked up during his travels to Egypt earlier
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on in life.
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I mean,
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this guy just goes on vacation and,
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you know, learns two complete areas of study that nobody else around him knows.
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I mean,
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no big deal.
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So there's no question he had an extremely high intellect,
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but the main quality that makes him a shoo -in to play The Bachelor was that...
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He was incredibly rich,
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and not to mention a genius businessman.
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There's this infamous story about him making a ton of money
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in the olive industry during one particular harvest season.
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And the story generally goes like this.
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Back then, everyone thought there was a direct relationship between
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how pleased the harvest gods were and how many crops were
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yielded at harvest time.
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Thales didn't buy that.
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He looked around and noticed that...
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Whenever there was a significant amount of rainfall in a particular year,
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that would therefore be transmuted into a significant amount of crops
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come harvest time.
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So on one of these years when it was raining more than usual,
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he just went out and bought up all of the olive presses in town,
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knowing that everybody was going to need them.
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Essentially, he got a full monopoly on the entire olive industry.
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And then when that significant harvest of olives inevitably came,
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he just sat back and cleaned up.
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I mean,
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he just cashed checks while people rented equipment from him all season long.
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And to make it even worse,
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he said the only reason why he even did it was to show everyone how easy it
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was to get rich.
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I mean, he didn't even need the money.
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And if you look at this story in a weird way,
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you get a pretty good idea of who Thales was on the whole.
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It kind of encompasses what his entire life was.
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I mean,
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put yourself in his position for a second.
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He was a philosopher dedicated to finding rational
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explanations for everything around him,
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during a time when all the people around him just kind of mindlessly
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attributed everything that happened as divine intervention from some god.
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I mean,
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basically, he lived in modern -day Alabama.
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Yeah.
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Now do you feel bad for this guy?
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But by knowing the sorts of things everyone
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was reading back then,
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we can really understand just how outside the box he was thinking.
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I mean,
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it really speaks to how amazing it is that he even came up with the theories that he did hearing this
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stuff. Just for some context,
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I'm going to read an excerpt from something called Theogony by a guy named Hesiod.
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And this was written in the 7th century BC.
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And for all intents and purposes,
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this was the Bible of everyone living at the time.
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It explained the origins of the gods,
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the origins of man.
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It gave explanations for tons of everyday things like earthquakes,
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thunder,
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lightning.
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Apparently,
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all of these were just a result of some god doing something in the god realm.
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And this whole book,
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this story would have definitely been required reading for anyone living back then.
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More importantly,
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as far as explanations for the world around him are concerned,
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this is all Thales had.
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This is it.
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And this particular passage explains
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why some boats that are out at sea experience high winds.
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This is their god explanation of high winds
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at sea.
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and from typhoeus come boisterous winds which blow damply fitfully

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