Wastewater Explorer Podcast 28 - Water Main Break A Rec 050626

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Hello and welcome to the GLWA Water Explorers podcast.

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I am your host,

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Sherry Gee,

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and today we're going to talk about a main break that occurred in March of 2026 on

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a 48 -inch water transmission main in Oakland County.

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Now the same pipe broke in September of 25,

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October of 21,

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and October of 17 in close proximity to the break that occurred in

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March.

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So thinking about this most recent break,

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I'm going to ask Anthony Troy.

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director of Systems Control Center.

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Were you the first one who received this call?

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So yes,

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the call did come into our Systems Control Center and

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I was first notified and first on the scene.

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And how did you feel when you first received that call?

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It was a oblique feeling.

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The one thing we did not want to have happen while

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we were in the process of repairing the 42 -inch main happened.

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We also have Pete Bommarito here,

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a manager in the water transmission and maintenance repair group.

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Pete,

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what did you feel when you heard about this break?

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Similar to what Anthony had just said,

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I believe when I got the call,

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it was, okay,

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the one thing that couldn't happen during our 42 -inch water main replacement project just

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happened.

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Again,

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kind of an oblique moment.

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It's a Saturday morning at 5 .30 and it's go time.

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And of course it's the weekend.

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Yeah.

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We also have Pete Fromm here,

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the director of water transmission.

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Pete,

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where were you when you heard about the break and at what time?

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I heard about the break a little bit before 5 .30

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in the morning.

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I was actually up north on a ski

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trip with my family when the call came in.

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And I thought that at first I was dreaming that the worst case

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scenario that could happen along 14 mile happened along 14 mile

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as we were replacing the 42 inch.

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So you were working on a project on the 42 inch

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at the time.

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So was this a scenario that you had considered or planned

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contingency for?

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This is a scenario that we spoke.

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Internally and with our member partners about that when we made the

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decision from the September 25th break on the

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42 inch to go ahead and replace approximately

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about a mile of 42 inch that.

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During that time,

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there'll need to be some isolations that will take place being fed

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from the 24 -inch parallel main that

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runs across 14 -mile just west of M5.

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And we had those conversations with the member partners and internally

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that we don't anticipate a break,

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but if a break does occur,

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it's a worst -case scenario.

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And we have Cato Little with us,

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a manager in Water Transmission Electrical Group.

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Kato, at what point does the electrical group get involved in these situations?

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The main that was broke,

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right, the 48 -inch,

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14 -mile,

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some actuators,

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electrical actuators had to be replaced.

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So we had to do new controls and wiring and stuff like that.

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So we get involved in the replacing of that type

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of stuff.

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So at Hagerty,

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actually we're still working on it,

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are involved in the controls,

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wiring of the actuator,

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the power going to the actuator,

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the ovation communication going to,

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again, these electric actuators for the valves.

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for Hagerty Station to supply water to the station,

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water coming out the station,

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to bypass the station.

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Those are the type of things electrically they will do.

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But it's rare that this type of thing will have to happen for a main break.

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And normally it would be contractors that do everything.

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But in this particular instance,

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it was decided that,

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you know, our electrical team could handle it.

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So we went in there and that's what we did.

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So it worked out pretty good so far.

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So generally,

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the electrical group isn't involved in the emergency main

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break response,

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but maybe later to improve resiliency.

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That's absolutely correct.

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The first call out for the response,

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I don't think I've ever had a call out for a main break.

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Okay.

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We're going to hear from Tom Hall,

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Director of Operations and Resiliency.

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Tom,

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when did you hear about the break and what were your feelings when you heard

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that?

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Concerning the 14 mile break,

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back to that question,

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this is my fourth involvement with the main break.

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So,

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again,

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I was one of the on -site first responders too from that standpoint.

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So, you hate to say this,

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but I wasn't overwhelmed by any means from that standpoint

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because the first thing when you get on -site is you start looking at the overall situation.

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I was more worried about where the main break was at,

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what valves were going to...

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to be isolated to take care of that.

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Fortunately,

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where the brake was at was where we had put in two new valves,

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one upstream and one downstream where the brake was at.

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So,

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you know, that sounds you're feeling pretty good.

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Well, our isolation should be easier from the past times

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because we got the new valves.

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But at the same token,

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those new valves we had problems with prior to that.

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So,

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even though they were new,

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there was a manufacturing problem.

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Then it says,

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Matt, I hope we don't run into this again.

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And so,

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you know, here you go.

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So, you know,

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you get past that point that you're looking at it.

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And then,

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you know, being on the site,

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you're taking a look at the job site itself.

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When Torrey was out there,

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too, is that where this particular main brick was at,

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there was a berm.

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The water was at the point if it were atop

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that berm,

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you were looking about going down into a residential area.

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You know,

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you could see the cars on the street.

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that tried to drive through it,

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didn't make it,

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then you got the police department that is out there,

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you know,

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was it people hurt?

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Or did they walk away from it?

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You know,

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it was in a low -lying area where the water was getting away from.

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From that standpoint,

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there was a lot of swimming pools in that area.

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They got filled.

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Not normally that you would fill

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them from that standpoint.

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And then the other aspect of it is getting back to,

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you know, like what Troy says,

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well,

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here, we've got the station down Hagerty.

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We know it's got to be brought back up.

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You know you're going to have to do something at the Franklin station.

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You've got the equipment,

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well, the contractors out there.

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They're already trying to get it isolated from that standpoint,

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watching the break.

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The pumps are out there pumping.

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It's a lot of things going through.

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That's why I said it says once you get into it,

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your mind gets occupied with other things.

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You don't get.

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carried away one way or another from that standpoint.

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So you just get to work as opposed to being overwhelmed.

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That's good to know.

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So Anthony,

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being one of the first people on site,

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describe the scene when you arrived.

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So that night,

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it was extremely foggy.

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So it was extremely difficult to see the water.

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But as the daylight started

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to come up,

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you could see the impacted cars.

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You could see where they easily would not have seen the water and

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tried to drive through it just because it was extremely foggy that night.

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So not necessarily that cars were trying to beat the water.

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They just didn't see it at the time.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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And what was the atmosphere like?

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Were you the first one on scene?

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Who did you talk to?

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From a GLWA standpoint,

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I was first on scene.

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So it was really just...

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Talking to the police out there,

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making sure everything was blocked off.

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And like Tom said,

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it was at that point really just in the mind frame of,

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okay, how are we going to get this isolated?

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What are the steps we need to take?

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Who do we need to start contacting?

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So really just getting the process of what we typically do in the

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main break, getting that started.

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Came back into work mode.

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Yeah,

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it was pretty much like times that we've been here before.

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So it was like,

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yeah, we didn't want it to happen,

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but it happened.

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So let's go ahead,

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start the process,

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start notifying people.

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What do we need to do?

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start getting personnel en route,

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contacting Pete and Pete and Cheryl Terry

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and all the member partners.

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And hey,

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it's time to get up and get rolling.

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Pete Fromm,

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you talked about this being the worst case scenario.

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Tell us a little bit more about that.

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Why was this the worst case scenario?

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What made this particular break at this particular

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time difficult?

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So at the time where the...

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42 -inch replacement project was at was we

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were getting down to the east side of the connection

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for that project just west of M5.

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And when we had some work going on on that

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eastern side of the project,

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we had to take the Hagerty booster station down.

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And with taking Hagerty down...

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It didn't give us that backup at that time,

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but we had to make that connection,

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the final connection into the east side of the project and

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do some CFRP repair on some PCCP

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that wasn't going to get removed and replaced with the project.

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And so we had to take the Hagerty Brewster station down,

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which we communicated with our member partners that that was going down.

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and that we were solely relied on the Franklin

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booster station at the time.

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And so when this break occurred,

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we couldn't continue to feed water through

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the 48 up into the 24 -inch main parallel.

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of the 42 that was serving our member partners.

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And so we went into a full emergency

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EOC and working,

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as Mr.

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Troy was saying,

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with our member partners to be able to get

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emergency connections open and get isolation

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and then bring on a Hagerty booster station.

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With the two stations,

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as Cato was speaking about,

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of when does electrical get called in.

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One of the other reasons why the electrical group got brought in was

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we had them go on a 24 hour,

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seven day station watch.

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And so we had electrical out there full time.

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at the Hagerty station in case something happened,

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we had a logical team ready to respond.

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Was that because of the break or because the station was down

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in the work that you were doing?

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Because of the break and when we brought it back up that if we had

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another operation issue,

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we had personnel on site ready to go.

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Anthony?

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I was going to reiterate what Pete said.

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typically in this type of situation with the station being dialed.

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And because time is of the essence,

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you already want personnel there to anticipate any

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problems that could arise as opposed to waiting until those problems

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happen.

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And then you have travel time waiting for them to come on and

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time for them to analyze the situation.

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So it's better to have all hands on deck just

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in case because,

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you know, at that point,

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you know, the clock is ticking and you're working to get water back to.

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So having the Hagerty station down for prior work,

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which everybody knew about,

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really kind of threw a wrinkle into this break.

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And so you had people at the Hagerty station once you brought it

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back online as precaution.

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To me,

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that's resiliency,

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right? To be there on time and to respond quickly.

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What else happened or was there anything else that happened that

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was unexpected?

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Because of the work we were doing on the 42 -inch

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and the location of where the break occurred,

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the way our station is designed,

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there's a check valve that comes from our

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side of the station with feeds from the 48.

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Once that break occurred,

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because we have a above ground reservoir tank,

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the pressure from the reservoir essentially pushed the water out through the

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check valve.

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So all the water in the reservoir was essentially going out the break.

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So that complicated issues,

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especially as we're working to try to get isolation is now we're trying to problem solve.

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How do we get water back into the reservoir,

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which will be needed in order to feed water back

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to the communities?

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So does that account for what Tom was saying,

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the amount of water that it was about to come over the berm?

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Is that because the reservoir was emptying?

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No,

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in that particular case,

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what Troy is referring to is that,

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again,

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when you get into the situation,

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especially towards the end,

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when you get the isolation and get everything turned over,

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you're expecting the reservoir to have a full level.

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Well,

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now you don't have a full level because we found...

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that on the right circumstances,

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you can drain a reservoir unintentionally.

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And that's exactly what happened.

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So learn something new?

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Yeah, we found out that there's a flaw in the system that we're going to have to correct

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that check valve.

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wind up will probably be removing that check valve or that

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standpoint will be in the operating procedure leaving it closed because,

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again,

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with some of the work that we went back and we fixed some of these electrical actuators gives

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some more functionality to the system from that standpoint.

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So there was lessons learned inside the station,

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too.

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You know, even though we've had the station since 2002 and it's been running it,

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you know,

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it was 2026 that we found out,

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well.

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By the way,

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we have a design flaw that we need to go ahead and take care of.

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Yeah,

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I think coincidentally,

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it appears Haggerty may have taken a lightning

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strike.

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There were storms earlier that night.

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So it did end up like frying some of the instrumentation.

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So some of the things that we were seeing and

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trying to confirm wasn't realistic.

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because just as we had the electrical team out there,

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we also had our instrument team come out as well because they had to get some

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of the instrumentation back up to read them properly,

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which, you know,

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some of their instruments were fried.

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So that just kind of added on to the problem of

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us trying to get things back into proper order.

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You know,

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whether it's a main break or any time that the station has been taken

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out of service and has been dormant for a while,

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Typically, you cannot walk back out,

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hit the start,

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but expect everything to work.

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And that held true at Hagerty.

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As Tori said,

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we found out that there was instrumentation problems due to some,

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we think,

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which was electrical hit from that standpoint.

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But just from the equipment sitting there where you lose pressures in the system,

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it's not where it needs to be.

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And this is all taking time,

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which is really one of the factors.

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And when you're turning these stations on to some of this time,

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you know,

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you're trying to put it at a faster pace because especially when you start

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dealing with the general public.

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they don't accept excuses very well or don't want to hear excuses.

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Typically in a main break,

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we're not trying to bring a station back online at the same time.

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So this is almost a double whammy of further

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complicating why this became a...

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all hands on,

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everybody working around the clock to get this back up.

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To add to that,

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the third aspect of it is coordinating with an active project

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that we have going on too.

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So you're bringing on a station.

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So first,

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you're isolating a water main break.

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And then you got to bring back on the station.

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And then you got to coordinate with the downstream side project

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to ensure that whatever we're doing with bringing on that station,

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we're not going to send them water that they weren't expecting and confirm

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that the valves that we had isolated were still

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in the closed position with that project.

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So when we brought back on Hagerty,

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the contract team didn't see water that they weren't expecting.

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And so you have three large elements that we're

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coordinating with,

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plus the EOC and communities

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going on boil water advisories at the same time.

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We had a large group of individuals out there working this

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scenario, but it's Tom,

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Pete,

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Barmerito, and Troy that worked to get Hagerty back up and going.

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That took over 24 hours,

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and they stayed with it.

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To be able to get that up and going,

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to be able to get communities water back.

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That was the critical piece,

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to get up and get going.

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Yeah. And just unfortunate timing for a number of things.

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Correct.

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Yeah,

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like most situations,

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these are not,

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hey,

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turn a valve and five,

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ten minutes is open or closed.

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No, these are fairly large valves that take a significant amount

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of time.

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Tom?

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I guess now would be the question is that versus...

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How do you feel about the 14 -mile break now?

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You know,

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now is where you're going to get an honest opinion.

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Okay.

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And how do you feel about the 14 -mile break?

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Well, now, boy, I tell you,

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oh, now is the time you get aggravated,

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you get angry.

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And partly that is a good thing,

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bad thing, because now you go back and you realize,

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okay, these are things that you have to fix going forward to

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make the system better,

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more resilient,

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if you would,

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from that standpoint.

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Like, you know, the issue with the check valve,

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we know we have to do something there.

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Another one was the interconnection,

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the GV1,

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GV2, and GV3,

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which now I know the names by heart,

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or G2 -1,

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G2 -2.

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And nobody else knows what you're talking about.

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Yeah, which is the suction,

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discharge,

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and interconnection bypass for the Hagerty station.

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which Cato touched upon,

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is that one of the issues that we ran

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into on the isolation portion of it,

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and basically not so much on the turnaround of it,

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is that closing these valves by hand,

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and anytime you start closing valves by hand,

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the larger diameter valves,

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it takes time.

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And it just so happens that the valves at Hagerty Station,

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to open and close those valves by hand,

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It was almost an hour and a half per valve.

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All right.

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You're looking at almost five hours to either open or close the

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valve.

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And again,

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as we've mentioned on this type of work,

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it's all about time.

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You know, you're trying to move forward,

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move forward,

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keep it going and things from that standpoint,

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which also we at this particular time give us the opportunity.

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We saw a way to go ahead and add some resiliency back

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into the system.

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Part of the actual way to work that was done.

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The old actuary is the ECM.

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The electrical control module was inside the unit itself,

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not part of ovations from that standpoint,

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which is a drawback because it was like the first gen

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operation of it.

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It's not really functional from that standpoint.

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Can't get parts for it.

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So that was gutted out of the old boxes.

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New internal components were put in.

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putting back into the ovations where SCC now has functionality

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that they can hit a button,

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open,

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hold it,

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or close it,

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and back and forth from that standpoint.

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Basically,

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what I just said was SCC can now open that valve in 3

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minutes and 15 seconds or close it or put a hold on whatever they want.

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So those are the times where you get a chance to go ahead and make improvements going

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right along with it,

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even though it was a bad situation.

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At the end of it,

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some good things turned up and the system was made better for it.

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Just to add the last thing to the situation,

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even working internally,

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we still kind of had to quarterback the situation with

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our member partners.

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Because even though we don't own and operate the emergency connections,

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we're still like the ones kind of like leading and quarterbacking,

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