Meeting with the ministry 2

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We have understood some little bit of expert knowledge in terms of transmission
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of the platform and the ecosystem.
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So that the place that is seated here is very much clearly illustrated and understood
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to everyone of us.
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I think we misunderstood some little bit of genesis
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of this assignment.
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This assignment did not come through a band of business at
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the very beginning.
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It's the ministry that approaches Fijian Mobile.
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during the emergence of COVID to come to their skill
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in making sure to make a platform,
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e -learning ecosystem for continuity of learning to
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take place.
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This is where the genesis begins.
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And often from that onset up to now,
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it's been from assignment package to assignment package.
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Of course,
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we have admitted that in terms of capacity building,
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of course capacity can be built.
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But you need to build the right people's capacity,
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both the back and end,
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and also the infrastructure of the ICT,
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so that maintenance and sustainability is put in place
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for record purposes.
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But if you have to build the capacity of people who are not the right
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people, of course,
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you are just wasting your time.
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In terms of sustainability and continuity of
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what has been built,
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it's no longer going to be there when you come next time.
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Because they are not the right people whose capacity to be built.
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Secondly,
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we found out that from record,
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the people who went through that capacity building are no longer at state
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or are no longer at that particular directorate who should
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serve as the lead for whatever coming event supposed to be done.
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So this is what has been the challenge.
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We beg not to go into any fixed runs.
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and intellectual property and infidelity in terms of data management
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and ecosystem,
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we do not want to go this far any longer.
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We have discussed this and DPS Bar came at certain point
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in time, said let's drop that one because we went into that far in
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terms of MOU.
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bringing infidelity and intellectual property in terms of what
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is owned by the ministry and what is not owned by the ministry.
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We have our property,
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which is the offline version.
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That is not belong to the ministry.
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The ministry owns the world,
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the island Gambia,
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which is meant to be supported by the offline system because we
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all know what the Gambian setup looks like.
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If you want to totally deploy Ireland Gambia,
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an online system for the Gambia,
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we have asserted that 30 % of this Gambia,
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the country is not prepared to take up that challenge.
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You are the experts
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in the ecosystem of ICT and technology.
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30 % of this country cannot go that mile in subscribing
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to an online system.
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So fees on mobile have an offline system that can serve
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as a backup,
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a bubble,
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for the continuity of this learning to be taking place at anywhere
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in the country.
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This is why we think we came together to support one
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another and making sure that a lifelong learning transpires
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for the ministry.
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And as we speak at the beginning,
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we said we expect to bring about different synergies.
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that can propel where we had stopped before and
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see how best it can move on.
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And moreover,
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the foundation of NAMI is just one component of
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what Island Gambia has accommodated.
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It's just a component.
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So we were expecting that EV12 visit,
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the need assessment analysis has been done.
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That should have been put place for us to review and scrutinize and understand
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what were some of the gaps established.
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With the expert guidance and knowledge,
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we say, okay, this does not exist,
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this does not exist,
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this is there,
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maybe you have not consulted.
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Because if you are making a need assessment analysis,
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you have not consulted the experts that design the architecture.
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Do you think that's a complete need assessment analysis?
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It's far from fetch.
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So we are thinking that if the new assessment analysis is
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done, we are not consulted and we are not brought to the validation of that.
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How could we say that one is a
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complete picture?
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That is completely demystifying.
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And therefore we are thinking that if that is supposed to be brought on the table for
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us to understand and give the ministry a correct direction,
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obviously we need to team up,
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collaborate and see how we could address the problem.
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so can i can i jump in i'm sure what you want to say is
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that's only what i want to say
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Just a point of correction.
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I don't
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want this to be said.
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I just want to,
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you know,
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initially,
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my take here is I had the two suggestions.
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We are going back and forth on the same issue.
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So my suggestion here is,
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since we have the platform,
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And the main point on the table here is Island
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Gambia belongs to MOPSI.
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My mission here is this.
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Let's migrate.
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Since we own it,
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we migrate.
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We take it to the platform that we own it.
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Then we can work together to see how best we can reinforce
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the implementation of that platform for the benefit of
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the government.
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One,
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we have the capacity.
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in terms of skills,
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in terms of resources,
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human resources.
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My request to your office here is we
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build the capacity of our own resources that we
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can continue managing the platform.
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There we can have a sustainability.
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These are my two submissions.
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Thank you.
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Okay,
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Dr.
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Sorey, you said a point of correction.
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Yes.
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Can you make that point before we go?
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Yes.
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So, the first submission is that
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We consulted,
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I mean,
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Kyushimuba through state.
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That is number one during the assessment period.
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Number two,
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nowhere in our
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submission did we make any statement
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to say whether Island Gambia is bad,
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in quotes,
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or whether it's working or it's not working.
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We didn't say Island Gambia is not a system
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that is not functional.
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The same thing I said from day one is the same
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thing I keep saying from every meeting we go to.
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You see,
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but the same pattern keeps appearing from wherever,
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I mean, from the grassroots up to where we are sitting today.
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If you are implementing a system,
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you look at sustainability.
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One,
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the sustainability gives you,
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you work backwards from there.
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The typical example,
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the directorate or the individual director that
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implemented Island Gambia keeps changing,
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which means that the system must outlive the
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individual in the position that implemented
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the system.
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If that was done from the beginning,
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we will not be sitting here today to discuss
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Whether they should transfer Ireland Gambia or talking about capacity
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or skills,
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that will not happen.
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So if the system had
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been transferred to MOCSE,
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the technical people or the ICT directorate where
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it was placed would have been finding solutions whether people
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move in or out.
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The system will continue to exist from there.
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So these are the two things I want to submit.
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I keep saying the same thing in every meeting.
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We didn't say the system is not good.
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All I'm saying is that the system should be
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in the hands of the ministry,
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which is also the system on its own,
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so that the system now manages the operational
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activities of implementation.
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So that whether Fusion Mobile
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leaves Gambia today or not.
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I learned Gambia should still exist.
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Whether I am in Gambia or not,
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whatever work we came to do,
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the work should move on.
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That is all I keep saying from the beginning.
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And I think I'll keep saying the same thing till I leave this country.
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Thank you.
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Yes, Dr.
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Jawa. Yes,
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so thank you very much.
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And I'm very happy because I think there's a lot of alignments from discussion that
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we had. And it's like we have a similar understanding.
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So I think the difference that we have is from where we are coming from.
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So instead of seeing this as a technical issue,
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let's see this as an organizational issue.
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What do we try to look for?
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And first and foremost,
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your point on using island Gambia,
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your point on duplication.
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Yes, no one wants duplication.
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no one wants to bring in a system that you already have and they bring another one and
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one of the reasons why you know that is is the case because we don't fully understand
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what island gambia offers so sorry for you know our ignorance
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in exactly what's been done
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But one of the things that has been very clear is that Iron Gambia has potential.
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Has a big potential.
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And that it is going to be a far better starting point for us.
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Because everybody that we talk to,
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those who have access to it,
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can tell you everything that is there.
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Can tell you,
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and you know, you're talking about the debate about having the access at a local level.
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And that is a very,
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very big part of trying to rule out science and technology education.
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That is one thing.
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And the other big thing that the ministry also has to take responsibility for which we are
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trying to sift.
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The reason why the MS team is brought in now is to make sure that that capacity we
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should have been talking about.
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Training people who,
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you know,
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in the end, because we are training individuals and not training systems.
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Because when you train emails here...
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I'm not saying that you are training,
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you are not training individuals,
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but you are training a capacity,
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you are training a group of people that whoever goes,
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if Wuri or Ablanjai end up moving away from here,
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the next day you'll have other people that are qualified in IT who can continue and take over.
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And that's one thing that we are trying to rectify from that initial problem that we've said.
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So this is not an issue of who did what and where did we do wrong.
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So the idea is how can we now regulate this island Gambia to
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make sure that we are able to support them.
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and one thing one assumption that i also want us to to to to
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to clarify is that um as a ministry i know you know island
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gambia you are very much experienced you are very much you have good expertise in
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bringing this this platform but it is the ministry that has its own needs it knows its own pains
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and knows exactly what it means so where whether
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we invite you or we don't we seek your consent it's not supposed to be quite a
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question
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So the point in question is,
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at the moment,
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can we as a ministry leverage tools that has been said that belongs to the ministry to solve this
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problem?
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So that is the question that we need to respond.
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If in the case that it is true that the island Gambia is definitely,
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everybody here can say that it has potential to do,
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at least it's a better starting point that anyone could have,
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because it's already something that we have invested in,
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something that they've already been capacitated in,
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and the amount of capacity that we might need to build would not be asked.
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well that point needs to be clear and that is why i was asking exactly
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what does the military rule and when it comes to the platform issue that
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misappears vps that's one point that we need to discuss because
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the offline version is integral
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in this implementation if i'm going to use the island so if
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they say that the island gambia platform with all the effort and everything that was done is
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limited to the online version then that means all the implementation that we are
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going to do will be landing in accessibility to many of the children that will be in
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this course so
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One way to go is to negotiate with them to see if they are willing to transfer that
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ownership to the ministry so that we can run
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that or to see if we can build up collaboration around that.
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But one thing that I would advise from a technical perspective is
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to continuously have a hoop to use that offline version as
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a hoop to continue the collaboration with the ministry for the next 10 -15 years.
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Because in the next two,
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three years, like any platform,
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there should be a way out.
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In the MOU,
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there should always be an agreement to say,
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at the end,
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A, B,
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C, and D needs to be transferred,
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and then you'll be free to go on your own.
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Otherwise, we will continue to rely on the service.
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And any day that they cease to exist because they have moved away,
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because they have something better to do,
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we might not be able to continue the implementation.
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So that is the kind of dependency that we are a little bit concerned
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about.
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Let me move on to this.
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I just thought that I would say that.
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Okay.
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Let me say something
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before I leave the room and come back.
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I've
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listened and heard you.
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First,
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I want to start with the movement of people in
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the science directories.
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Naturally,
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public service
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requires that people move around.
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So it will be difficult to
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have permanent officers.
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all the way to retirement.
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So we should get that understood.
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However,
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the leadership in terms of technology,
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science and technology,
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lies under the direction of science and technology.
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But the operations,
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head of operations in terms of ICT and all
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that is going to be deployed will be managed
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and headed by INIS.
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That's the reason why we have the two sets here.
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The leadership, like I said, is with science and technology.
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But the hands -on in terms of
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technology and ICT will be headed by EMIS.
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Not to say that personnel from Science
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and Technology will not be involved.
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No, that's not what we are saying.
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In fact,
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they are heading leadership,
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like I said.
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I mentioned that to my colleague the other day,
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that that will not change.
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And at management level,
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we also have someone who is overseeing them,
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but they will be heading there.
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So that we get that understood from the very beginning here.
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There's no duplication.
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Operations,
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head of operations is the image team.
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And like Dr.
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Jaro has said,
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we're going to train all of
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them, or many of them,
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for the purpose of continuity.
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This image team has been here since 1816.
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They are still here.
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Individuals have come and gone,
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but the structure,
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the system is still there.
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That's what we want as a ministry.
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And it's the same for this thing we are discussing.
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Now,
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the ministry wants a one -stop shop.
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I think we have spent resources in
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developing platforms,
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in engaging in some approaches and initiatives.
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And we don't think we'll continue doing that year in,
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year out.
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Today we initiate,
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we take him as a platform,
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the next year he'll take me as a platform.
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We want to consolidate all of that to one programmable
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platform that will speak and respond to the needs of
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the ministry.
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When you need something scientifically,
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technologically...
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human resource financially,
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you should be able to get it from that platform,
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not to be knocking at different doors.
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That's the kind of thing.
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And what
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I recall fully,
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one of the reasons behind engaging
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Fusion Mobile was majorly,
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majorly on the offline platform.
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Because when the COVID hits,
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unfortunately,
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I am a...
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Let me not use that to describe myself.
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I came in when the COVID just started here and
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I remember fully what the needs are and why we engage.
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It was difficult to deliver lessons to
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students in a classroom like this.
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So how do you do that?
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You couldn't have said,
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okay, we'll do that online when there were no online
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facilities.
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in the country,
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talk less of in the ministry,
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where we have our schools in the most remote places
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in the country.
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So the alternative and the best option at the time was
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to ensure that we also provide offline,
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majorly.
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And I'm sure you'll recall when we provided the SD
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cards, among others,
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so that people could use them on their phones,
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on any gadget,
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with or without internet.
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Just as a request,
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so that we all understand.
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So that is a precondition on
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the engagement.
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And bringing
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it in so that we know our departure point as a group.
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Because the ministry really has spent some resources and
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time on this.
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And by today we should not be even sitting here and talking about this.
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We should be up and running to ensure that at least three
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quarters of the student population
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are able to interact with teaching and learning materials without
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difficulty or without depending on internet
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connectivity.
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So
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I want that as a basis of your engagement.
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I'm attending another meeting briefly here,
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but I'll be back.
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But the Honourable Minister has engaged with Fusion
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Mobile.
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The Honourable Minister has engaged with also LM.
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And I think her direction was clear.
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And all of us made a commitment in
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those meetings that we are going to come together
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and try to see where he's limited.
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I supplement him.
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Where I'm limited,
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he reinforces me.
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And we become one force rather than two divided forces.
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So I just want to leave that with you before I join you back.
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Yes,
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sorry.
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Apologies.
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Before you leave.
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Again,
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I ask this question.

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