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I was going to touch on someone.
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That was Morris who used to call me an English bastard.
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He's my number two.
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Is that right?
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Yeah.
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Morris is an interesting guy as well.
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Have you got your drink?
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Oh, sorry.
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Have you got a Coke,
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actually?
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That would be great.
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Get a Diet Coke.
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Diet Coke's fine,
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yeah. That's great.
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Do you want me just to get started then,
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Terry? Or will we wait for Andre?
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Or just whatever works.
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A wee bit early, actually.
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Yeah, that's good.
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Thank you very much.
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Yeah, brilliant.
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Yeah, you can get started.
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That's great.
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I suppose,
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like, one of the things I wanted to ask you about is I watched the film and really enjoyed it,
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but there's not a lot about your life pre -football,
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and thanks,
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Andrew, and I just wondered,
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you know, were you brought up as an Ipswich fan?
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Was your dad into football,
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that kind of thing?
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Yeah, my dad was into football.
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I was a big Ipswich fan.
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Yeah.
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From a long way back.
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Because that part of East Anglia,
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you're either Ipswich or Norwich and there seemed to be a big tendency towards
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Ipswich.
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I love going there.
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My dad would take me there.
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He was more Ipswich than anything else.
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And I'm going to stand behind there.
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The churchman stand,
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I had my milk crate because I was not as tall as I am now.
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And we'd get on that and it was brilliant.
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It was great to see the Ipswich town team.
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In the early 70s in particular,
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Bobby Robson had built a really good team.
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Should have got to the FA Cup final in 75.
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He took me to watch the Leeds replays
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against the second replay I think it was against the Ipswich.
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That was in the quarter -final against the mighty Leeds.
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It was 0 -0 and then the two days later Ipswich won 3 -2.
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I always wanted to go to see
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Ipswich and then when I signed for Ipswich it was like a dream come true.
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You signed for the club that you supported lots of times
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and travelled a lot to see them.
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So yeah,
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it was great.
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You looked who's ahead of you and all the top players ahead of you,
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centre -backs and all that,
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and you thought, well,
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I'm never going to make the first team.
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But you do because they get injuries and all these kind of things.
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So eventually playing for the club was,
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wow.
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It was incredible.
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I mean, I was watching some of the European footage,
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I must ask you about that header,
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because in the semi -final,
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the header went to the final,
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and of course you weren't in the final,
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you were only aged 22 at the time.
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What was that like,
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just the final itself and the lead -up to it?
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My defensive partner,
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Russell Osman,
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he was six months younger than me.
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When Hunter and Beattie,
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Alan Hunter, Kevin Beattie were there,
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they were the top men,
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and Kevin was my idol.
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None were Bobby Moore,
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but particularly for Ipswich,
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Kevin was the best for me,
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and he was number six.
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So to replace them was very sad,
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but at the same time,
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it was just a natural form of progress with football.
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That's what happens.
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But the other header was...
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It was a very tight lead that we had.
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Normally we would beat in European football in that year.
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We would beat teams at home four or five ones and three nils and all that
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sort of thing.
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But to only have a one -nil lead was dangerous.
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And we'd lost the game on Easter Saturday.
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We lost the game on Easter Monday against Norwich.
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And we played on the Wednesday.
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So there was three games in about five days.
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And we were shattered.
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And obviously it looked like that.
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title winning push was going to come to an abrupt halt so we
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were very much down going there but we just lifted ourselves and
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dug out a result and I scored.
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I didn't even possibly mean the header to go where it was.
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It went in and Schumacher never moved.
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So if you can do that to the German top goalkeeper,
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it's not bad.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I've got a few German questions.
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I was going to ask you about Cologne.
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What were they like as opposition?
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Could you talk about that match in particular?
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I mean,
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they were very tough.
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from an opposition point of view,
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but they liked the night out like we did because we played in the pre -season tournament
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at Barcelona.
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We were in that tournament,
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I think Cologne might have won it.
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We'd known about the players obviously from 81.
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This was probably about,
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I think it was 80,
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it would have been 81.
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So we'd known about them from the previous season.
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We played in Barcelona and they played before
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us.
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So we ended up in the same nightclub when we went out.
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I learned that Rita was pregnant with Chris.
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So it was big news for me.
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But I phoned her from home after the game.
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I actually went to bed early because I had a big headache.
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So our tournament was finished.
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So I said, I'm not going to go out.
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But then I phoned Rita and I got the news that she was pregnant.
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It's been confirmed.
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And so I went out.
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Headache or no headache.
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So I managed to go out.
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And when we got out into the nightclub in Barcelona,
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it was the whole cologne team were there as well.
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So we had an unbelievable...
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It was really good.
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Tony Woodcock was at Cologne at the time as well.
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Fantastic.
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We all got together and we had an absolutely brilliant time.
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I probably know more about them off the pitch than I do on the pitch.
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They were great.
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They were just typical.
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They were like us.
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Just typical football team banter.
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you know,
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friendships and really good.
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Did those games against West Germany come
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with an extra layer of responsibility,
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Teddy, but especially as captain,
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did you feel an intense rivalry?
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Oh yeah,
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without a doubt.
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Yeah, tell me about that.
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West Germany,
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of course,
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for me,
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West Germany.
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Yeah, there is a big rivalry there.
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Obviously what's happened,
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obviously 66 we all refer to,
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but the only one we do refer to,
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because it's the only one we won.
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But I remember in 1970 crying after West
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Germany beat us 3 -2 after us being 2 -0 up and Teralf taking off two
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key players.
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So yeah,
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and then you look further on in the competition as you get to 1990.
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We played West Germany in 1985 in Mexico
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City at the Azteca Stadium and they had just flown in
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because they were trying to work out when to go.
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Do you go early for the World Cup or do you go
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later?
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And they tried to go later,
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two days before or a day before the game and
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that backfired on them because we won 3 -0.
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I remember the first goal,
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I broke a move up from the
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forwards and I went past their midfield player section which was unusual for
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me and then I went past the back four and Schumacher came out.
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And I rounded Schumacher onto my right foot and I was just about to put it in the
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empty net.
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And Kerry Dixon,
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the England striker,
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popped up and he put it in.
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And then he ran away to the crowd,
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to the bench.
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And I'm standing there thinking,
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he just took that right off my toes.
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I would have loved to have scored against West Germany.
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That would have been probably one of the highlights of my international career.
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And yet,
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he deprived me of that opportunity.
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He was a real comic to Kerry Dixon.
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Kerry was, yeah.
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He was at Chelsea at the time and he was,
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yeah,
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he was...
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He wasn't a regular within the England team,
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but he made the World Cup squad and all that sort of thing.
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But there are games.
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It was games against Italy as well because Italy then had the best
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league and that sort of thing.
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Everybody wanted to go to Italy because the money was good and the football was really good.
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It was broadcast on TV and all that sort of thing.
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A lot of people now think
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of the Premier League.
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That's where a lot of the Continentals would like to come to the Premier League and we like that
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with Italy.
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So there was a bit of tension with Italy and obviously later on.
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There became a bit of tension between England and Argentina.
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I go back
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to 1991 because you mentioned that in the documentary there's the clip it
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shows where you get to the end of the game and of course Gazza's in tears
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and Stuart Pearce and you say well I was upset too but my responsibility
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was to look after them and you're hugging the players but I was going to ask
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you
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that must be a very difficult thing to do in the heat of the moment because you know they are
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so everyone's so emotional in the park but in the footage you look very
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calm and you're consoling them yeah but i've been remember
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i've been taken off yeah for about 70 odd minutes 80 minutes
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something like that i was taken off and england changed system bobby changed
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Tactics.
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So I'd had a time to sort of cool down a little bit
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on the sidelines,
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so I wasn't,
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that adrenaline wasn't running as much as when you play.
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So I was able then to take stock of it and it was coming
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to the end of my international career,
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I knew I was probably,
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that was it.
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and then you're looking more over your shoulder towards coaching and management and things
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like that.
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But at the time it was the natural thing to do
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from a captain,
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go and help him.
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And I'll tell you what,
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the reaction we got from the West Germany players was absolutely brilliant.
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They were first class and they came over to us and...
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a French Beckenbach came over,
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you know, and he was such a gentleman.
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Him and Bobby were talking and embracing and he came over to me and shook my
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hand and we said,
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well done, and we wished each other luck.
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And then when we were in the tunnel,
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there was two buses.
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There was German bus and the England bus.
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And there's obviously...
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hundreds of press people there and we did our rounds and everything else
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and then we started to drink the beers that were on the bus and
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then the Germans obviously got a final and they had the water and I think a lot of them
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were looking over at us and thinking
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Why can't we be like that to celebrate that we got to the final?
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Instead, they had the water.
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So I think they weren't happy about that.
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We were,
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but we would raise the cans as a toast to
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them. You know,
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thumbs up and all that sort of thing.
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Because I think when you look at the game,
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1990,
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there were two teams that were...
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Got to be world champions because Argentina got to the final having been Italy
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the night before but there were a lot of injuries and suspensions for Argentina so it wasn't going
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to be their really full strength side.
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So we knew that whoever won our game was probably going to be world champions.
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And there was nothing to choose between the teams.
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all the different things that happened in extra time or whatever.
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But there were two evenly matched teams and two teams that I think
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produced the best football in the tournament for each team.
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You mentioned Mexico 86.
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In the documentary,
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there's some great photographs.
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There's a picture of you when you're...
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on the ground,
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Terry, after the second goal by Maradona.
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Obviously,
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you've had a closer view of the first goal.
11:07
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At that moment,
11:08
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were you just feeling so dejected about the whole thing?
11:11
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Can you talk about both goals,
11:13
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actually, Terry?
11:14
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Because you were an eyewitness to one of the most historical moments.
11:18
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I would have made a poor eyewitness for the handball goal.
11:22
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I never actually saw it.
11:23
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I'm not doing what most managers say now for an incident on
11:27
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the pitch, even with all the...
11:29
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the replays that they've got I didn't see it I literally
11:33
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
didn't see it and I was only about 15 yards away I think so he
11:38
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
did it very very well he only knew afterwards what he'd done
11:42
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
but you had to forget it I think it hit us hard because we felt like going behind because
11:46
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
it was in the second half and you sort of think we haven't got long to get back and
11:51
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
you sort of not visualise the headlines but you sort of think oh no this is a dread
11:55
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
moment but particularly for the second goal
11:58
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I was so disappointed in myself,
12:01
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I was gutted because I was beaten twice,
12:04
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
not once.
12:05
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
So they beat me on the halfway line and I thought that Peter Reid was
12:09
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going to get in, but Peter was struggling at the time.
12:12
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
and then I sort of turned round and he was at Terry Fenwick and then went past Peter
12:16
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Shilton and I thought I could get this ball if I could see it but
12:20
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I couldn't quite see it because I've just got long legs but I couldn't get round
12:24
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
him to see it because of his physique he was short and squat and
12:29
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
powerful so in the end I would have been happy to
12:33
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
have scored the greatest home goal in World Cup history but it wasn't to be,
12:36
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
not so much wish it was but at
12:40
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
that moment in time
12:42
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
you want the whole pitch to open up and swallow you.
12:44
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
It's that precise moment when
12:48
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I banged my shin pads that I realised I've let,
12:52
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
not just the team,
12:53
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
but I've let the country down.
12:55
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And then you've got to get back up and get going again.
12:58
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
And then you got the 2 -1 and then could have scored an equaliser but from
13:02
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
great defending by Argentina's left back.
13:05
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So it was so...
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Did you feel an extra weight of responsibility,
13:12
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Terry, because of what was going on in the Falklands at the time?
13:15
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Well, we were in the Falklands in 1982 and I was there as well.
13:17
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So we knew when we played West Germany there
13:21
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for a 0 -0 game,
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which we felt was good.
13:25
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Then we had to beat Spain in the last game,
13:27
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
but we couldn't do that.
13:29
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Because Rummenigge
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S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
was playing in that for Germany.
13:37
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Some good players for West Germany in that game.
13:41
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
So 0 -0 was pretty good.
13:42
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Because we had Keegan and Brookings still out as well.
13:45
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
They were injured.
13:45
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
But the Falklands was going on at that time.
13:49
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So it was really difficult to concentrate a lot on the
13:53
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
games.
13:53
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Particularly the World Cup when your countrymen are out there fighting.
13:58
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
And by all means are the first.
14:01
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the first part of the Falklands war there were lots of casualties for the for
14:05
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the British army so it was really it
14:09
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
was really hard to to get to grips with it but you had to do it that was your job that
14:14
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
was what you you're out there for that's what you had to do
14:18
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
And it was ridiculous with the groups of three as well.
14:22
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
That was awful.
14:23
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
It hasn't followed,
14:24
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
hasn't happened since after,
14:26
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
and quite rightly so.
14:27
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But yeah,
14:29
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
we played West Germany and still didn't beat them,
14:31
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
but we drew a nice sort of...
14:35
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
stale mate 0 -0.
14:36
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
With the Maradona incident,
14:38
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
how would you feel about VAR now,
14:41
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Terry?
14:42
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Do you think that you would have liked that or do you think a lot of people feel it's ruining
14:46
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the game?
14:46
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Well, that's the only time I would have liked it.
14:48
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
You could have invented it before the Mexico World Cup and then stopped it
14:52
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
afterwards.
14:53
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
That would have been perfect.
14:54
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I always say VAR is void Argentina's result.
14:58
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
That's what it stands for.
15:00
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But then you've had a similar one in 2010 in South
15:04
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Africa.
15:04
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
My friend Lampard scored a goal,
15:06
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
which was two or three yards behind the line,
15:08
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
and it wasn't even given.
15:09
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
So we have been a little bit unlucky in World Cup things,
15:13
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
although we were lucky in 1966 with the third goal,
15:16
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
so swings and roundabouts.
15:18
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But VAR,
15:19
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
no, I wouldn't have VAR.
15:20
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I would completely get rid of it.
15:21
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
And Ipswich have been in the Championship last season and obviously got promotion.
15:25
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So it was really nice to watch Ipswich and watch Championship football.
15:29
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
in terms of the goal celebrations after the game.
15:33
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Referee gives it,
15:34
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Lyonsman gives it,
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S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
it's a goal.
15:35
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
And that's it,
15:36
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
period. You don't get any changes in mind from the referee.
15:40
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
He hasn't got to go over and watch it on the monitor.
15:42
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
That's it.
15:43
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
That's how we played and that's how it should be,
15:45
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I think, for the future.
15:46
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But VAR now,
15:47
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
so much expense spent on it that I think
15:51
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
they feel they have to still justify it and use it.
15:55
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
We'll have that next year.
15:56
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
That's usually one good thing about relegation.
15:58
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Well, two good things,
15:59
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
getting some parachute payments and no VAR.
16:02
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But that's about it.
16:03
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Yeah.
16:04
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
What about the actual,
16:05
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the way football changed,
16:07
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Terry, and became more of a product?
16:09
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Because I've got a friend who's a Rangers fan,
16:11
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
and she was saying,
16:12
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
you know, it's a much more tippy -toe sort of type of football.
16:15
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
And I asked Terry,
16:16
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
you know, does it...
16:17
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Would you prefer to be in the era that he played in,
16:19
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
you know, in terms of how football changed after your time?
16:22
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Oh, well, without a doubt,
16:24
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I wouldn't want to be playing in today's football.
16:27
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But there's so many things around football that are very
16:31
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
good and much better.
16:32
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
You know, the medical side,
16:33
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
the mental health side,
16:34
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
nutrition side,
16:36
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
all these kind of things off the pitch.
16:38
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
The rehabs,
16:40
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
the facilities for injuries and everything else.
16:43
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Wow, they're first class.
16:44
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I mean, that is absolutely brilliant and how it should be.
16:46
S… Speaker 3 (260601_0488)
Yes.
16:47
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But the football itself,
16:49
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
no, I prefer,
16:50
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
much prefer our era when it was get stuck in and all
16:55
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
that sort of thing and,
16:55
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
you know, a bit of give and take,
16:57
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
a bit of enjoyment.
16:58
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
You can hammer seven bells out of your opponent and he does the same to you and
17:02
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
you just walk off the pitch and have a beer with him afterwards.
17:04
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
It's quite weird,
17:06
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
but that's how it was.
17:08
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
You picked up your injuries,
17:10
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
the famous one,
17:11
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
of course, the head injury with the photograph.
17:13
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Again,
17:14
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
that's in the film.
17:15
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Tell me about that,
17:16
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Terry, because the image is so famous now.
17:18
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
But do you sometimes feel the image sort of gets out
17:22
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
of control as to who you are,
17:25
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
in a sense?
17:25
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Because that almost becomes one of the defining images,
17:28
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
doesn't it?
17:28
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Well, especially when Halloween comes,
17:30
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
right? People go and young kids go,
17:33
S… Speaker 3 (260601_0488)
it's me.
17:35
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
40 years in football and I'm best remembered for a fancy dress outfit.
17:38
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I suppose there is that.
17:40
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
It's flattering
17:46
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
in many respects but I just find it very,
17:49
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
what's the word,
17:50
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
very embarrassing.
17:55
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
That's what I find.
17:57
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I was only doing my job and any good Englishman
18:01
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
And I would imagine if the ladies got any good lady,
18:04
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
we'd try and play on.
18:06
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
And obviously now you can't do that because it's changed rules
18:10
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
and everything else.
18:12
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
At the time,
18:13
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I didn't want to go off and get stitched because I thought this was going to be a bad one,
18:17
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
so it might take a bit of time.
18:18
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
So I got the bandage on and played on.
18:20
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
And if Bobby had took me off,
18:22
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I would have probably hit him.
18:23
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I mean,
18:25
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
for that time,
18:26
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Terry, there was obviously a lot of concerns about blood and AIDS
18:31
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
and so on.
18:31
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Did that ever cross your mind?
18:32
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Because you say in the documentary,
18:33
S… Speaker 3 (260601_0488)
oh,
18:34
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
it's on every kit,
18:36
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
blood's on every kit,
18:37
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
including the ball.
18:38
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
So, you know,
18:39
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
there was blood everywhere.
18:40
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Did that ever cross your mind?
18:41
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
Because there was a lot of,
18:43
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
I suppose,
18:44
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
panic at the time over the disease,
18:46
S… Speaker 1 (260601_0488)
wasn't there?
18:47
S… Speaker 3 (260601_0488)
Well,
18:47
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I had a bad injury in 82,
18:50
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
in the cup tie at Luden,
18:52
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
where he won 3 -0 with Ipswich.
18:53
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
So I got a knock on my face.
18:56
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Brian Steen volleyed my head instead of the ball.
18:59
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
So I then played on until about the 80th minute.
19:03
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
We got the third goal and the blood was coming down the back
19:08
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
of my throat and I was choking on my blood because they'd packed my nose up.
19:11
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I packed it up in the first half and then had to repack it
19:15
S… Speaker 3 (260601_0488)
at half time.
19:16
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Then I went out again in the second half.
19:17
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
So that was worse because I ended up
19:22
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
five weeks in hospital,
19:23
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
lost a stone and a half.
19:25
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
I'll tell you what, it was 23rd of January 1982.
19:28
S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
Not that I remember it very well.
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S… Speaker 2 (260601_0488)
But it was,
19:32
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and then Bobby Robson came down to me.

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