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0:02장 1: Okay, cool. 66s · Speaker 1
Okay, cool. Maybe she closed it. There are cats everywhere. There's four cats.
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1:09장 2: Leave that up to the girls. 302s · Speaker 4
Leave that up to the girls. Where would you like to be, Emily? Do you guys want to set the kitchen table? Everyone's going to have one of these. That's how we're going to keep it. One closed. No object of curiosity. Time afterwards, girls. …
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6:11장 3: experience has been, what her boundaries are, as appropriate. 161s · Speaker 1
experience has been, what her boundaries are, as appropriate. I will help if necessary. I will kick off if need be, because it can be hard to be the first one to speak. Then Bethany has a go. And then Mum has a go. And likewise, Bethany, if…
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8:54장 4: No? I don't want to do first. 302s · Speaker 5
No? I don't want to do first. What don't you want to do? I don't want to go first. You don't want to go first? Okay, Bethany, do you want to go first? Because this will be awkward if nobody goes first, or at least gives me permission to spe…
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13:56
Why don't I do the same that I did for Emily to begin with and then I'll fill in with the stuff that we talked about and then you can expand on it if you want to. Sorry? I don't like talking. You do not like talking. I'm going to put an ear…
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16:06장 6: We'll jump here, actually, because some of this is for you to fill in if you want to. 77s · Speaker 3
We'll jump here, actually, because some of this is for you to fill in if you want to. So a couple of things that you mentioned earlier when we've gone through this. talked about it. You said you get anxious before coming here and you don't …
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17:23장 7: Emily. Bethany also feels that her experiences get invalidated with counterexamples from other people. 179s · Speaker 6
Emily. Bethany also feels that her experiences get invalidated with counterexamples from other people. A recent instance of that would be when she was in a real state about going into school and you told her that... She's actually lucky bec…
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20:23장 8: like... Okay. 170s · Speaker 3
like... Okay. Actually, there was something we were going to... There was another specific for Bethany, and I don't know if this feels the same for you, Emily, but Bethany, what came up when we were sort of capturing things that you wanted …
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23:14장 9: Don't push it. 69s · Speaker 5
Don't push it. There's no... I'm not going to make anybody speak for the whole time that we've allowed. Okay. You had something to say before about missed appointments. I'm not going to put words in your mouth. If it's not coming to mind, w…
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24:24장 10: We're at cross purposes. 303s · Speaker 4
We're at cross purposes. When you said missed appointment... Oh, yeah. There was... I was... Like, there was those as well. But you're talking about the one that I couldn't attend. Please don't... That's one of the things they don't like. Y…
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29:27장 11: to put that right. 122s · Speaker 4
to put that right. I'm just looking for notes that were made at the time of one such conversation just in order to help that along. I think that's going to dry off because I'm in effect. Let's see, sorry. Probably some thinking time is good…
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31:30장 12: I did remember something. 300s · Speaker 2
I did remember something. Yeah, well, of course. Writing is... it's okay. You can write your own notes that only you understand, like one -word things. My notes are things like this have so many threads that it's hard to keep track of all o…
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36:30장 13: so it's that. 70s · Speaker 1
so it's that. as though the fact of her confirming that she could tell if someone was masking was in fact a reason for her discomfort. She never said that. She agreed with one statement, which is you can sometimes tell if someone's masking.…
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37:40장 14: I should say we need to fix, really. 61s · Speaker 3
I should say we need to fix, really. the pattern that we talked about that emily confirmed was you ask a question she gives a brief partial unfinished or highly qualified response you propose a meaning or cause Emily rejects that or qualifi…
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38:41
Why would something, like to do something, for example, like, I don't know, Mem has said, like turning a song or something that she's doing on the computer down or shutting the door or like we ask her to stop singing and she just doesn't an…
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39:46장 16: is that part of something that I think you've each mentioned on several occasions, which is feeling like reasonable requests? 65s · Speaker 1
is that part of something that I think you've each mentioned on several occasions, which is feeling like reasonable requests? are not granted either on principle or with an inadequate explanation. Things like no compromises being made over …
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40:52장 17: What are we talking about? 197s · Speaker 3
What are we talking about? Feeling like reasonable requests weren't being granted, rejected out of hand or on principle. Yeah, I've also found that sometimes mum gives the option for something, like there is an option, or asks. like if i wa…
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44:09장 18: they won't. 87s · Speaker 5
they won't. And, like, they said, that's a terrible excuse. And I said, like, please, now I want them open. And then she said, At some point she said, why do you have to argue with me about everything I do? Why can't you just do everything …
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45:37
So, like, at the beginning, like, when we got in the car, then... um then mum was asking me like what happened like why like like like why couldn't i get ready in time and she's and then i i know i said i was tired and she and she she kept …
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46:39
and I forgot what it happened I remember it but then I forgot what conversation happened in between like It's okay, you don't need to remember every detail. Yeah, I know, but it's not the details. It's like... Like, she didn't let me talk. …
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51:42장 21: Because sometimes it's just like random situations that will probably never happen again. 76s · Speaker 2
Because sometimes it's just like random situations that will probably never happen again. Where something happens. Sometimes I can only think of specific situations. And not what. And just think of anything. There's lots of little things. T…
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53:11장 22: I like how you remember that conversation on the way to the workshop, Emily, because I remember that conversation. 302s · Speaker 4
I like how you remember that conversation on the way to the workshop, Emily, because I remember that conversation. I remember being very, very upset. Upset as in I'd had a lot of anxiety flowing through me and I still wasn't over it. And I …
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58:14장 23: me, sensory issues being, you know, being sort of. 101s · Speaker 4
me, sensory issues being, you know, being sort of... physically and emotionally comfortable. And another thing that I take comfort in is my own integrity. So the things that I feel it's important about my personality that I want to show oth…
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59:55
yes understood they have since issues you have sensory issues you know there's a lot of commonality knowing that doesn't help them right so your forum here you have mentioned yourself that girls have said and done things that have hurt you …
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1:01:03장 25: So if I feel as if something said or done has been misinterpreted, that's not what we're bringing up here. 147s · Speaker 4
So if I feel as if something said or done has been misinterpreted, that's not what we're bringing up here. No, that's an alternate explanation. If you say this didn't happen, that's different. That's a factual correction. Saying it happened…
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1:03:32
Also, when mum said I couldn't have both the curtains open and the lights on, then I asked to have just the curtains open, which was one of the options she gave. Oh, okay. And I said no to that, did I? Yes. I have no idea why, because I thi…
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1:05:37장 27: me expectantly. 304s · Speaker 1
me expectantly. I mean, like, doesn't everybody wish that nobody would argue with them? If you're, you know, if you're just like... Doesn't everybody wish that nobody would own? That would be taking away free will. I just don't ever want to…
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1:10:41
Yeah, they each felt that that basically encapsulates your feelings. And that's why all of these adjustments, and ultimately that's why all of these adjustments are turned down. Anything that they ask you to do makes them feel like you just…
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1:13:07장 29: that I haven't got anything to say or contribute that's valued by either of you. 208s · Speaker 4
that I haven't got anything to say or contribute that's valued by either of you. I'm often mocked or... laughed at for something that I might say or a facial expression that I might do. So there are those little negative interactions. But w…
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1:16:35장 30: that's dangerously close to a boundary that was set about not discussing changes and then coming back here. 103s · Speaker 1
that's dangerously close to a boundary that was set about not discussing changes and then coming back here. That was a very clear... stated boundary. You've said that you would like that, but that's as far as that goes right now. Yeah, it w…
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1:18:19장 31: we've talked properly. 300s · Speaker 2
we've talked properly. Just out of interest, the analogy that I've used with them since they were tiny is invisible walls. Every little thing can put an invisible block. you don't necessarily realize it's there until one day you try to comm…
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1:23:20장 32: you spoke it seemed like what I was continuing to say was an answer but in fact it was just what I was continuing to say. 104s · Speaker 4
you spoke it seemed like what I was continuing to say was an answer but in fact it was just what I was continuing to say. I wasn't expecting you to speak at that point so I was just saying something. So maybe that happens more than we reali…
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1:25:04
were we going we were heading towards wasn't it when we were going to go get the freezer yeah yeah that's right yeah we went on a night time mission to get a freezer a body freeze a body freeze yeah it really is It's a catering size freezer…
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1:27:10장 34: Yes. So, for instance. 300s · Speaker 8
Yes. So, for instance... No frogs were harmed in the making of this conversation. So, for instance, I can now, knowing that Emily has been taking copious notes for a long time, now I know that, I can say, hmm, well, this probably didn't sta…
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1:32:11장 35: So I said, like, no. 69s · Speaker 2
So I said, like, no. And then, like, then you didn't say anything else, but then, like, then you kind of, like, I don't know. There was, like, I don't know. You were, like, You went somewhere else or something. You just said, like, I don't …
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1:33:21장 36: That's an example of my expressions, mannerisms, terms of phrase and things being. 86s · Speaker 4
That's an example of my expressions, mannerisms, terms of phrase and things being. reacted to negatively by the two of you and it's it's made me feel really for a word apparently i am the thesaurus for the days i feel like sometimes i'm jus…
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1:34:48장 37: an accident I did I did that I, I did. 104s · Speaker 2
an accident I did I did that I, I did... like assume that was probably like it probably wasn't intentional but like it was still like it was still how i felt yeah disdain that's the word i was looking for that that's the that's that's what …
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1:36:32장 38: Talking of which, does anybody want a drink? 302s · Speaker 3
Talking of which, does anybody want a drink? No, I actually do have water in the car. We need to get away very soon anyhow. Emily, there was one other thing actually that a note has reminded me of. You don't like being explained to other pe…
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1:41:35장 39: the way you reacted made it seem like you took it as like an attack on your personality and you refused to, like, stop or change anything. 70s · Speaker 2
the way you reacted made it seem like you took it as like an attack on your personality and you refused to, like, stop or change anything. Like, for example, all I asked you to do was close the conservatory door, and you refused to do that.…
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1:42:45장 40: you could have closed the door i remember some times like that or refuse or sometimes you refuse to close the door but a… 52s · Speaker 3
you could have closed the door i remember some times like that or refuse or sometimes you refuse to close the door but and like I've asked you why and you haven't um like and you didn't give an answer really apart from that you wanted it op…
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1:43:47
Again, that's the same thing really about arbitrary exercising power over the environment without it feeling to them like their needs being taken into consideration. So, of a piece with some of the other things we've talked about. I think w…
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1:45:11
is, but I'm not sure if you'll reject it as being not in the rules. But I was just thinking back to some of those times and remembering that the opener for the conversation about the music or whatever. was already rude and I value good mann…
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1:46:42
i want to add an experience of mine and ask a clarifying question um so I've had Emily scream or yell late at night because I've sneezed or suddenly laughed out loud at something. Bethany much more rarely but occasionally. If I make an inad…
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1:48:10장 44: quite possibly. 91s · Speaker 4
quite possibly. Okay, fair, thank you. And that's me not thinking. Fair, okay, right. Okay. I think we've covered not every specific instance, but I think we've covered every general pattern that the two of you have raised to me, or Bea, or…
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1:49:42장 45: Well, sometimes I'm thinking hard. 105s · Speaker 6
Well, sometimes I'm thinking hard. I guess. Bethany. Sophie. Well, I just have a question and an offer. So the question is, what are the plans for next week? No, we're not planning stuff today. No, I mean, like, just for general where peopl…
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1:51:28장 46: Can I just. 110s · Speaker 2
Can I just... I don't want to... I can never ever be around you ever. Ever. I just prefer staying at Dad's house and stuff. Before. And Kyra and Catherine are a big partner. Can I add something to the foregoing offer, which is very good of …
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1:53:19장 47: yeah, very happy for all that to happen. 205s · Speaker 3
yeah, very happy for all that to happen. I would appreciate not having to do any extra running around as a result because this has been very difficult. No, we can plan, but it does not need to be now, this minute, this second, in this conve…
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1:56:44장 48: How do you make them? 17s · Speaker 7
How do you make them? Same way as what you do. I mean, how do you make them? Put the powder into a bowl and add just enough water so that the crushed noodles are submerged in it.