Meeting with Mbali HR

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I've had instances where there were certain things

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that I would have hoped I could discuss with

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you as my HR manager.

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But as you see,

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you were a bit tied up.

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I'm not

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sure if maybe

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Ryan has brought you up to speed but I think so.

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You know,

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there have been a case whereby I've

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requested resources.

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and assistance from both my managers.

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But it was denied

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resources that would

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have assisted me,

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especially in my probationary period.

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I had a meeting yesterday with Luther and Ryan,

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confronting them about this.

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Fonseil instructed me to conduct training

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for the welders in order for them to

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To improve I explained to Luther that I do not have personal protective

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equipment He said he

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would speak to Ryan and get feedback from right and

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The following

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day I Can

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hear you

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That is what I don't understand.

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Ryan did brief me.

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I don't understand why it wasn't issued in the first place.

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It was supposed to be issued when you started.

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Whether you're on probation or whether you're on a fixed term contract,

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it was supposed to be issued on the day you started.

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So why was it not issued?

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I did not get an answer

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to that question yesterday from Ryan.

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Ryan said he...

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He was waiting for Luther.

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And then I...

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For me to begin the training,

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I requested it.

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And Luther said he would get back to me.

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He went and spoke to Ryan in his office.

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And then a few minutes later,

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he told me that PPE had arrived.

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So I went down to Esmeralda's quarters,

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I mean in the reception,

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and found a box full of overalls

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and reflective vests.

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I inquired with Esmerelda when this box had arrived.

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She said I mustn't include her in my disputes

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with Luther.

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When

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I looked at the package itself,

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the delivery note and all of that,

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I saw that it was delivered early July.

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I asked them why wasn't I issued

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this PPE so that I could be able to work.

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Luther said because I wasn't permanent.

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So I asked him why are you issuing it now because I'm still not

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permanent.

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And so he didn't give me an answer to that.

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There

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are other resources.

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Scanner training.

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I remember with our review,

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Luther had concerns regarding the use of the scanner.

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When I started Trendstar,

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I did not receive that scanner training.

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I did not know how to use that scanner training.

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I did not have a profile within the

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system.

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It's

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things that I must pressure them in

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order for them to see the need to do that.

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I asked Ryan,

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I said,

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why didn't you provide scanner training yesterday?

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Because, I mean scanner training when I started,

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because all the other supervisors had been granted scanner training,

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Excel training,

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and other forms of training when

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they started their roles

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or duties and responsibilities.

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And he said to Luther,

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okay,

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let's forget what has happened in the past.

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Let's move forward.

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Luther, can you organize scanner training for Lensu?

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That was a very easy instruction to give.

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Now,

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which begs the question,

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why didn't he provide that instruction earlier on for me to

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be able to fully understand the

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use of the Android scanner and the PM450 scanner?

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Most of the mistakes that have come

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about with the use of the scanner has been mistakes.

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because of the lack of understanding.

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Ryan

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and Luther,

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the way that they have denied

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training,

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it leads me to a conclusion

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that this position is being saved for someone else.

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When I started in

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this position, there was no system.

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At all.

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No storage area.

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No count of parts and resources within the welding

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department.

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Untrained welders.

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Everything was just in shambles.

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So when I started and was trying to get things together,

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fortunately I was doing that during my probationary period.

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And,

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you know,

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being assessed to

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perform.

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in a situation where there aren't any resources and

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you have managers that are not fully providing resources

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and denying resources like PPE and

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the necessary training,

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it's very,

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very hard for me to become successful in this role.

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Even if this probation period can be extended multiple

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times, I mean,

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I would never be successful if they do not want me to be successful.

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And the way that they've acted,

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they have...

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They've proven that they

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do not wish for that success

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to come to pass.

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So

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his actions,

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Luther's actions clearly displayed.

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that he had predetermined the fact that he doesn't want me to be successful

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in this role.

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Because I asked him yesterday,

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Luther, is there a reason for you to do these things?

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He did not have a reason.

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I asked Luther and Luther said,

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and I asked Ryan,

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Ryan said he didn't want to answer that.

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He would rather let Luther provide all the answers.

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So, you know,

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that is where I'm at right now.

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It's

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been issues that I've

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wanted to actually discuss them

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with you.

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You know,

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there are so many.

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I just noted

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them down,

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but I would like

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to initiate a grievance process against both of

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my managers.

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And with this...

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I'd like to I'm going to I'm

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going to appeal for

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in the Commission

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of at

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CCMA so I

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really like this matter to be to be to be to

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be resolved

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within those grounds.

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You see,

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because...

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You know what,

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Lenzu?

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I would like us to resolve this internally.

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You know why?

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Simply because,

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you know,

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Fanzel and I had a discussion after the

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sessions that we had with the welders.

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Remember those sessions?

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I do.

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And we do agree that you have not been

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receiving support.

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Hence,

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that's why myself and Fanzel support you.

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So

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what I'm suggesting,

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let's have a session.

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I'll book a session for you,

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myself and Fanzel.

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Do

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it that way first.

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But I hear you.

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I understand what you're saying,

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prayer one.

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But I wouldn't advise you

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to go the grievance process or externally

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to CCMA.

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Let's have a session with Fanzel

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and then we'll have a way forward.

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Just

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trust me on this one.

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After our review...

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All of those points that

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Luther brought up,

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it's

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things that he never discussed with me to say,

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you know what,

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this is what I'm picking up and you

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need to improve here.

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I was just surprised to

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hear those points in the review.

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It sounded like he's been collecting ammunition for

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that review.

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So those are

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actions of someone who does not wish to see me succeed

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in this position.

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To be frank and honest,

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I do not trust Ryan

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and Luther.

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Most of their actions...

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has been delayed tactics.

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Resources that I've requested for them to provide,

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it's just been a later,

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later, later response.

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And that has led me to fall

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behind in my targets.

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Luther,

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last week,

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or right after Fonsea was here,

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he instructed me to

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to start preparing a certain section of the depot

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to store parts.

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And Luther instructed me to

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assign two welders to prepare bins

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as storage compartments.

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We do not have the resources to do that.

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I informed him,

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I said, Luther, we do not have the resources to do that.

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We need an extension cord,

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we needed a big grinder.

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He said he would go and buy that at CashBuild.

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Tomorrow.

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And the rest of that week,

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he did not come back to me regarding that.

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He just sent me emails and WhatsApps telling

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me that, are you aware that you are falling behind?

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And so his communication

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is created as evidence

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to be used later.

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So that is why I'm saying it's very hard for me to trust them.

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And our initial

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review,

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to me,

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it seemed as if that review was predetermined.

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The outcome was predetermined because whatever I had to say

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already,

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the result was predetermined prior

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to even hearing what I had to say.

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But remember,

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we review.

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It was my decision to say,

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let's have the review and extend the contract because

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I need to understand what the issues are.

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And we need to give Lentu a reasonable

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time to improve.

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But we also need to,

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if there's an expectation that is not fulfilling,

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it needs to be communicated to him.

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That's the reason why we extended your probation

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period.

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So let me

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set up a session for next week for the three

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of us.

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Fanzel,

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you and myself.

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And please be

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open.

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Fanzel is a very fair person.

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We are mass boots.

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And can you hear me?

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I can.

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Yeah.

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Even I sent him e -recording of your

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performance review.

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I sent him the recording because I said to him,

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I don't agree with the fact that

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Linsu is not performing.

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These are the issues that he raised.

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Please listen to the recording,

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you know.

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And he was shocked.

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So that's why I'm saying let's have a session next week,

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let's have a meeting next week and make sure you

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note everything down on all

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the challenges that you've experienced,

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everything that is delaying,

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the resources that were not given to you,

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just everything.

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We have an ube open,

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ule session.

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Is it anything

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that Fancel doesn't know already?

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He doesn't.

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Franzel only knows about the review

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session only because I sent him the recording.

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But a lot of the things

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he does not know,

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including myself,

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that are happening like PPE.

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Tell

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me, is it possible for me to do both?

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What do you mean?

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Have the review session.

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But I feel that it's...

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I would like to go the grievance process.

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No,

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let's have this session.

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It's a meeting so that Fanzel and myself

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can understand exactly what is going on that side.

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Let's start with that.

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And then after the meeting,

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then we can take it from there.

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My

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contracts will be

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coming to an end.

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S… Speaker 4 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Oh,

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when?

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In September.

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Let

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me check.

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Let

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me quickly check.

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Okay,

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the

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extension is up until the third.

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That is why...

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Okay.

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There are

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other responsibilities also to train the

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welders.

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while meeting targets.

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You know,

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all of that.

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I asked Lou,

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I said, how am I going to manage

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both at the same time if I'm going to thoroughly train these guys?

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Ryan said,

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these guys already went for a course.

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I said,

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when they went for a course and they were declared competent,

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it's the same guys that when they went for an assessment,

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that officer explained that no one between them could

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weld.

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Now,

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those are the same guys that I need to train.

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So I needed to start with theory.

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That also has its own challenges

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because most of these guys do not understand English.

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Some of the terms and terminology that is used within welding

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is very hard for them to comprehend.

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But if Fanzel returns

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for the review session to try and understand if...

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We will have this on Monday,

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on the first.

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I'll book it on Fanzel's calendar.

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We could have a meeting on Teams.

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I'll just have to ask and check when it's available.

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It's either on Monday or Tuesday,

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latest Tuesday.

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And you can also mention the challenges of training the

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guys.

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So can we do that?

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And then

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after our meeting,

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if you want to go the grievance

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route,

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then you can do that.

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Can we

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agree on that?

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Unfortunately,

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but I cannot...

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I cannot agree fully.

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So if

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you choose not to use my advice,

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then unfortunately I cannot support you in whatever you do.

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I'm

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trying to assist you here.

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So if you want to make your own decision and go the grievance

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route, I'm not going to support you.

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But by the idea...

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Hence I'm saying,

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let's give it up until Tuesday.

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Let's have this meeting with Fanzel.

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And then after the meeting,

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then if you want to go to the Brevin's Woods,

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you can do that.

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But it's up to you.

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Yeah,

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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So allow me to assist you.

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I hear you.

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As I'm saying,

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Fanzel and myself support you.

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So just give

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us time.

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So that you can tell us what the issues are or challenges,

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and then we can take it from there.

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That's all I'm saying.

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I'll

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set up a team's meeting for Monday.

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Okay,

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I understand.

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Yeah,

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let's do that.

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And then Tuesday or Wednesday,

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if you want to go the Griffins route,

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it's fine.

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You

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know...

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What do you want to do?

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It's up to you.

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You know,

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the session with Fonseo,

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I do

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not understand how it's going to address what

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is.

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I know what I'm doing.

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But I don't.

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But remember,

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just listen to me.

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S… Speaker 4 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

We're not in PE.

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So that's the reason why we want to understand what exactly is

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going on that side.

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S… Speaker 3 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

We

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do not know what is going on that side.

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So that is one meeting on Monday.

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I'll set that up on Monday.

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Okay.

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It's fine.

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Okay. And let you know,

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I've got a meeting with him now at half past.

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So I'll check on his availability and then I'll set

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it up on Teams.

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S… Speaker 2 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

We'll exclude Ryan and Luther.

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S… Speaker 3 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Okay.

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Okay.

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

All right.

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S… Speaker 5 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

All right.

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Okay.

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S… Speaker 4 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

We'll talk.

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Okay.

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Thank you.

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S… Speaker 5 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

All right.

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S… Speaker 1 (Meeting with Mbali HR)

Bye.

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