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which has happened to some of your hormones.

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And the body does want you to stop losing weight.

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If you lost weight forever,

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you would die.

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So it makes sense.

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The body would say,

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whoa, wait a minute.

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Let's get a little efficient here.

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Let's actually turn up some things to make you eat more and

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go seek out some food.

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Let's not spend as much energy during the day.

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Let's become more efficient.

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And so some adaptation might occur.

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And so you've got to deal with that.

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weight, you're at this lower body weight,

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it just doesn't take as much energy to keep you alive.

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You know,

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at 200 pounds,

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it was a certain amount of energy just to keep your kidneys going and your muscles

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alive and your body alive.

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And then when you moved your 200 -pound body around,

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it took a certain amount of energy to walk up some stairs or to walk a mile to

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the grocery store.

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At 150,

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it doesn't take as much energy to walk up.

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the same flight of stairs or the same mile to the grocery store.

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So energy expenditure decreases as you lose weight for many

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reasons.

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Physiology starts to say,

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hey, I don't want you losing any more weight.

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And I also believe that the mind can

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come into here when you're in this,

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that we've got to work on that too.

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So yes,

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we've got to number one,

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deal with this appetite issue,

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but we also have to deal with the metabolic issue that happens when

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you lose weight.

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Excellent.

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And we are going to talk about,

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you have this term,

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mind state.

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I don't think I've seen that before.

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I don't know if you created that or if that's a word.

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I did create it.

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Sometimes you get to do that when you write a book.

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You can create your own word.

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I love play on words.

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I love creating new words.

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This is perfect.

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Did mind state go all the way back to state of slim?

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We learned a lot about mind state with status slim.

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We did not use that word in the book,

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so that evolved,

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but our experiences with status slimmers very much informed this

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word.

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Okay, good.

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Before we get into mind state,

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you're talking about appetite and hunger.

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I've talked about food noise a lot on the podcast,

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but let's talk a little bit about...

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the return of food noise.

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I think you were saying like,

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you know, the GLP -1 receptors.

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Is this like in the brain where we're having the food noise,

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where the GLP -1?

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Probably,

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but I mean,

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I don't know that we know for sure.

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We know there's GLP -1 receptors in the brain for sure.

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You know,

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there's a new validated questionnaire I'm sure you've talked about.

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I haven't.

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No, please.

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Okay, there's a validated questionnaire out there for scientists to

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use to really start to measure this because it's something we haven't reported

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necessarily in the past.

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Food noise has always been there,

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but I think it's this many people being on the GLP -1 and saying,

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I think differently about food.

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The voice in my head about food has changed.

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that made scientists come back and say,

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okay, how do we measure that?

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And come up with this validated instrument.

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You know, Dr.

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Gary Foster,

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Michelle Cardell,

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Corby Martin are the doctors that have,

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and colleagues that have come together to make this new,

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I think it's a five -question interview or questionnaire about

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food noise,

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which I think can help us in the field look at how it changes over time.

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Does it predict who loses the most weight?

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Or maybe it doesn't predict.

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I mean, lots of things we can use to understand food noise better.

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Okay, excellent.

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Yeah, no, I didn't know about that.

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Dr.

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Gary Foster has been on the podcast a long time ago.

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Now,

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you had mentioned that and I was like,

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I don't know about this,

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but I say this all the time.

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It's one of the things I'm just so excited about is that food noise has a

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term.

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We're talking about it and even people who...

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or maybe especially people who are judgy about other people's

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weight, might start realizing that that is a thing and

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maybe there's more to it than they think.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So let's talk about the metabolic flexibility and

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maybe...

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the difference between metabolic adaptation and flexibility

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or inflexibility,

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maybe starting with what metabolic adaptation is.

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So I think of adaptation as being what changes when you lose

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weight, what we just talked about,

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the pressures that...

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try to push you back to gain some of the weight.

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So your body kind of adapts and perhaps your resting metabolic rate not

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only decreases because you're smaller,

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maybe decreases even a little bit more.

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Efficiency almost,

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right?

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Becomes more efficient and adapts and that tends to push you back towards your old

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body weight or to regain weight.

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we've talked about metabolic adaptation for many,

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many, many years.

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I started,

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that's how I started out,

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measuring resting metabolic rate and people who had lost weight and trying to understand metabolic adaptation.

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To me,

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the more exciting thing and where the field has really grown is to turn that into

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something called metabolic flexibility,

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which is a little bit different.

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Metabolic flexibility isn't about adaptation,

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but it's about how your body responds to certain

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conditions.

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flexible enough to adjust.

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So think about it.

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We talked about weight loss and we talked about weight loss maintenance.

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And weight loss maintenance,

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we talked about the fact that it needed to balance how much you're eating and how much you're expending

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needed to balance and adjust and be in what we call homeostasis over

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a long period of time so you don't regain the weight.

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metabolic flexibility is the concept that when you eat a little bit more

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or you consume a little bit more fat,

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so either the macronutrient composition of your diet changes,

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more fat or more carbs or more calories,

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that your body naturally adjusts to burn it and not store it,

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that it's flexible enough to kind of adjust.

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And we believe that some people's metabolisms are

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naturally more flexible than others.

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We also think that when you move into a very low energy

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expenditure, so a sedentary environment where you're not moving very much,

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you tend to become inflexible.

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Everybody maybe becomes more inflexible,

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but there's always a difference between people.

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Some people are probably more flexible,

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just like real flexibility,

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born more flexible than others.

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But there's also things you can do to increase your flexibility.

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And so the idea that you want to be as flexible

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as possible,

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have as much metabolic flexibility as possible when you move into weight loss maintenance.

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So when you go out and you have a piece of birthday cake,

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because come on,

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we're going to have a piece of birthday cake,

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right? Yes.

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The body is set up,

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the physiology,

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your metabolism is set up to adjust to it,

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not to store it all,

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but to burn more of it.

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And the intake and expenditure are matching and moving.

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And if you think about it,

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it's never perfect.

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Like, how does your body know exactly how many calories

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you're eating and burn exactly that same amount?

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And even if it was off a little bit,

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you would gain weight.

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And we know people that don't gain weight.

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The body is designed to do this,

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to keep us in homeostasis.

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We want to set up people who are going into weight loss maintenance.

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We want to set the metabolism up so that it can do

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that. It is geared to do that instead of being inflexible,

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where when you eat something that...

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is maybe higher in calories or fat than you're used to,

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your body's like,

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oh my gosh,

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just store this.

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I can't burn it.

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Yes.

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So there's a whole chapter on this.

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And I want to mention loving your podcast.

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And there was an episode with Dr.

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Rudy Leibel.

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Is that how you say his name?

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Yes.

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That I'm going to link in the show notes because I was like,

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I've listened to it multiple times where there's a lot of conversation about.

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metabolic flexibility and adaptation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, you know,

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why the body does the things it's doing.

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And I wrote down some very interesting points

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that he said,

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but I would love for people to listen to that episode as well.

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And like I said,

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there's an entire chapter in your book on this.

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And if I had to kind of boil it down to the

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basics,

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it sounds like what you're trying to do is

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or how you achieve this is by decreasing

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your body fat and being active.

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Is that,

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I mean, I don't want to oversimplify it,

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but I was surprised and encouraged to hear that we can

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modify or improve our

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metabolism at all or more than we think we can.

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So that's kind of your message there,

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right? Exactly.

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regular flexibility,

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you know,

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how you can,

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you know, touch your toes and do that.

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There's a certain amount of genetic,

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right?

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You're born, some people are born more flexible,

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but then you can do some stretches and do some things to change your

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flexibility.

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And I think it's the same thing with metabolic flexibility.

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You can do things to,

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what I like to say,

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optimize your metabolism.

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It may not be as flexible as someone else,

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but within your range,

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make your metabolism the best that it...

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can be.

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And I think for a lot of people,

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it's pretty good.

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You can make your metabolism pretty good.

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But you've got to be aware of that.

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You've got to understand that that piece is playing a role.

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Not as important in weight loss.

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You can have an inflexible metabolism in weight loss,

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and it doesn't matter.

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becomes important in weight loss maintenance.

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Think about it.

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Weight loss,

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you're in a negative energy balance.

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Flexibility,

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not very important.

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Being in a negative energy balance,

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important.

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But weight loss maintenance,

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that's going to change.

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And that flexibility comes out as an important thing.

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Exercise,

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moving your body more,

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we think helps with that,

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is a big player in creating metabolic flexibility.

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There could be other things.

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I think,

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and we need more data in this,

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sleep.

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may be having its effect that way.

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Meal timing might be having some effect on that.

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Good evidence for the physical activity part,

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but I also believe there probably are other factors that may impact our metabolism

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and make it more flexible.

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So it may not just be one.

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or two things,

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it may be several behaviors that create this flexible metabolism.

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That makes sense.

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And I think it fits with...

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weight, overweight,

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obesity, it's not just one thing.

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It's a lot of things.

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But it's very validating to hear that,

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you know, I mean,

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we kind of joke like,

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oh, I just look at a piece of cake and it goes straight to my waist or something or somebody can

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eat the whole cake.

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And, you know,

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there's a little bit to that.

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Yeah.

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And you can do something about it.

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That's,

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you know, to tell somebody about this and then say it's just.

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That's just you just have this metabolism,

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you know, sucks to be you.

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Sorry.

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No,

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no,

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that's not true.

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And that's why I think it's an important message.

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Yeah.

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Very empowering.

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Correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I wrote these down wrong.

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But some of the things that Rudy said in your podcast was the yo -yo dieting

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doesn't necessarily damage your metabolism.

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Yeah, so this is argued,

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but I agree with Rudy on this.

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I don't think there's good data to show in humans that that necessarily

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damages your metabolism.

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I agree with him on this,

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although some people might disagree.

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If you look in some of the animal studies,

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I don't know.

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Not that we're encouraging yo -yo dieting.

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No, no.

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And certainly,

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I believe the other takeaway was it could have more harm psychologically,

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the yo -yo dieting.

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Right. So thinking about it that way,

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that might be a little a different way to think about it.

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Sure. Yeah.

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And I don't know.

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I just I like the conversation you guys had.

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Maybe challenged some.

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Just things that we hear all the time that maybe aren't necessarily true.

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And one of the other things,

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and this is sort of just like squirrel in this part of the conversation,

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but I was like,

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I wrote this down.

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Rudy thinks in the future,

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and I'm wondering what your thoughts too,

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is, you know,

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how we have medications for weight loss.

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Maybe there will be new types of medications for maintaining the weight

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loss.

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Already being tested.

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Already in the pharmaceutical world.

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Do we use certain meds?

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To produce weight loss,

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are certain meds really good at getting us in a negative energy balance?

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Meaning...

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clamping our intake so that we aren't eating very much and burning

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fat, maybe certain medications would be better tolerated and

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produce that energy balance and be best for weight loss maintenance.

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So the concept of weight loss being different than weight loss

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maintenance may play itself out in the pharmaceutical world

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too.

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Absolutely fascinating.

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Okay.

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So your book addresses...

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so many great questions about how GLP -1s work,

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the science of metabolism,

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what research shows regarding weight loss,

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regain, all of that.

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But like I said,

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it's really a book about behavior change and how to prepare and set yourself up for success.

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And by using the knowledge of these challenges

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regarding weight regain that we touched on,

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and obviously,

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you know, we can't cover everything in the book,

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but if you had to give an overview of what people can find about

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the behavior change,

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aspect.

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And maybe,

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you know,

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I'm going to ask you a little bit about mind state and some of these weight regain profiles.

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But,

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you know, again,

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like helping people transition off of the medications in a more successful

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and sustainable way.

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Like if you just kind of had to say,

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in general,

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the behavior change part of the book focuses on

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So three areas,

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three key areas.

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We focus on the appetite coming back.

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So we want to deal with that.

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We want to deal with metabolic inflexibility.

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We want to make your metabolism more flexible.

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And then we want to deal with what we're calling a suboptimal mind

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state.

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We want to make your mind state strong and better able to be

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what you need it to be in the weight loss maintenance phase.

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So we use food as medicine.

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Replacing the medication,

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so really thinking about what you're eating,

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the timing of your eating,

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the composition of what you're eating,

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based on science,

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right, to help make the appetite

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when it comes back not come back as high.

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It's going to come back some,

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right? The medications,

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my gosh, they clamp that intake really low for some people.

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And I would say that was too low sometimes.

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We're not sure we're getting everything we need because there is no...

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drive to eat.

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You just don't even think about food.

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You know, people said to me for the first time,

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I don't have to log my food because I don't think about food.

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And I'm like, you know what?

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I think you need to log your food because you're not getting enough food and nutrients.

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So I don't know.

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It's gotten rid of the logging problem that people don't want to,

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you know, log their food.

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But the appetite is going to come back.

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But can we,

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with what you're eating,

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how you're eating,

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not a diet,

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not a diet,

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more strategies around how you eat to

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To not let it go up as high as it was,

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to keep it under control a little bit,

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to keep it down a little bit.

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And then we add strategies where we use physical activities medicine

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to create that metabolic flexibility so that now when

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you do eat a little bit more,

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because you will off the medicine.

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What is your metabolism doing?

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Is it matching?

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Are you not as likely to regain when you eat more?

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And then the third pillar is that mind state.

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And so we also are working on it.

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And to me, this is one of the big differences.

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People don't really give the mind as much credit.

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To me,

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it's one of the most important pieces of long -term success.

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But what are we doing to get your mind ready,

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to optimize it,

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to strengthen it?

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Not with willpower.

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This is not about willpower.

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But to make it the mind state,

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the best it can be to support you long term to keep the weight off.

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So we work on.

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So I say mind is medicine.

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So food is medicine.

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Physical activity is medicine.

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And the mind is medicine to replace the GLP -1 drugs,

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not to get the weight off,

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but to be able to maintain the weight that you did get off with the drug.

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OK,

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great.

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Yeah.

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And with mind state,

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I know.

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when we were talking before,

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you said you wanted to ask me if I've ever had any

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major mind state shifts.

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So I think maybe now is a good time to talk about that.

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Because like you said,

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it's not about willpower at all.

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So I thought about something related to...

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exercise and like two things related to food.

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So years ago,

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I was like,

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oh my gosh,

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I'm going to exercise for stress management,

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not because I need to burn calories or lose weight.

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And that was super empowering.

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And then years later,

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I was like, I'm going to exercise for fun,

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not even stress management.

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So it was like an evolution over time.

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And then I thought,

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well, okay.

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Let's be honest,

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some of the exercise I do is not fun.

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I did a 5K with a friend the other day and I was mostly walking because I realized

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I haven't,

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I don't think I've done any running since I did a sprint triathlon in 2014.

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And so I started running and I was like,

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okay, we're walking this one and I was hurting for maybe five days.

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Okay,

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so like some things that I do or push myself isn't necessarily fun,

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but...

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It's something that's for me.

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So my shift was going from a chore

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to something for me or like

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me time or something that I have to do to something

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that I really want to do or that I'm giving myself something.

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So that's my exercise shift.

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And my listeners know,

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I mean, that means I've gone from,

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well,

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I did do this running midlife experiment thing in my early 40s.

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And that's when I,

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well, I was going through perimenopause to that,

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but I gained weight when I was running.

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And you probably,

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I could have a whole other episode with you or pick your brain on this.

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Like, you know, the type of exercise that you do may or may not be right for your body and your

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metabolism and your physiology or whatever.

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But that aside.

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Well,

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lots of things going on,

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it sounds like,

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that we're moving the weight pathways,

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the metabolism,

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