PTT-20260528-WA0015
Jun 10, 2026 07:39
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Speaker 1 (PTT-20260528-WA0015)
Jules, how's it?
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Yes,
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I've been racking my brain since we met last week.
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And I thought instead of me giving you,
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well, firstly,
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not to put together some PowerPoint and all
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the bells and whistles and do a show for you yet,
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which I will do,
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but rather just to set the sort of the tone and
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the objectives and that we got the same vision,
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if I can call it that,
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about this.
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So I thought I'd send you a voice note so you can't interrupt me.
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So I'm
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dead keen.
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Obviously,
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it's got to make sense and whatever else.
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But the idea of building an agency,
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I use the term agency quite...
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I don't know what the word is I can't really but for me it's not necessarily an
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agency and I think there's something very real here but
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and this we've got to like frame it properly from day one and it's
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almost like it's not an agency that an agency that does activations
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and an agency that does PR but it's more of like in my mind
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a strategic brand activation content
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PR,
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and a commercial growth agency,
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even forget the word agency,
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that can sit across a few powerful areas from the start.
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I know you mentioned the name,
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if it's BRAD,
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whatever.
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Listen,
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I think it's a lekker way to express that we
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want brands to be rad.
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And as I said to you,
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I thought about whether it's...
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And it doesn't have to be B -Rad.
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I'm not into titles and prestige.
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I'm into doing good work and making some good money.
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But the options is considering if it was B -Rad,
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B -Rad cartel.
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I know cartel can come across as like a little bit
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dodgy.
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And if you employ me to be a mule to bring back drugs from Brazil
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in your shipments of Havianas,
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cool,
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I'll consider it.
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I'm not joking.
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it's more as a cartel is it like in the sense of a collective like
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it's a collective of entrepreneurs creatives
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founders but more like operators and professionals and
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it's a place where you sort of share ideas the workspace the
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network vitally important and those opportunities and how
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you execute almost like a I
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don't want to call it like a growth and the other word like a growth collective maybe
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it's b -rad collective that you can build these
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if they're obviously not going to rebuild the Havianas brand,
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but you can build these campaigns,
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these communities,
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and these commercial opportunities.
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That gets me fucking fired up,
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boy. And also,
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it wouldn't be something starting from zero.
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From day one,
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it makes sense.
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If you...
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You almost create this agency that's for it to manage service.
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For an agency to start with
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an anchor client like that is a dream.
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then as i mentioned to you where i'm still working on pagama which
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is this digital education program that could sit inside it
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um or as sorry you could potentially take
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ownership of some of that for whatever the upside of that is
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is maybe there's upside in clients the anchor anchor
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client javian is but a smaller client being my
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pagama educational program which i obviously will explain to you in
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massive detail and whether there's something in it from an atlanticseaboardguy
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.com point of view whether the there's
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an opportunity to within inside that me to say okay full
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i'll step away from sotheby's and maybe atlanticseaboardguy is
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a
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I want to call it a portal that,
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again, a client that is a portal to sell property.
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And maybe it's on a commission basis hiring agents.
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I don't know.
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I'm just throwing all of that out there.
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But whether all of these things can sit within this collective
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slash cartel and then obviously moving to
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when clients call it.
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So, yeah,
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I'm like,
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obviously we want to find clients,
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we want to launch with real work,
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real brands,
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real channels,
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real commercial opportunities from the beginning.
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And where I think I add values and I'm not coming at it from someone who
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knows how to post on social media or run events.
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I mean, I can,
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to sell myself,
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I'll,
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to you and whoever else I need to,
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I'll show you my background in strategic marketing management,
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working in.
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side big brands i've worked agency side as well i've
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run campaigns i've managed budgets i've dealt with the local and international
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brands i understand the landscape
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and the full marketing process from strategy to execution.
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At Adidas,
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I was at a brand director,
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senior level,
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across brand activation,
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trade marketing,
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PR, digital,
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CRM, retail,
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e -com, visual merchandising,
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major,
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major campaign railroads,
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dealing with a budget of over 120 million rand and a team of 30 people.
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At Superior,
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where I built and ran my own agency,
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Let me be...
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I won't bullshit you.
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COVID stopped it for a year and a half.
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I managed to build it up again.
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I set up a...
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And I've still got it.
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A partnership agreement with the Department of Basic Education.
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I've worked on,
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from a youth marketing point of view,
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that's the speciality of Superiate.
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I mean,
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brands,
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just to list,
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Google, Microsoft,
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McDonald's,
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Telcom, MTN,
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Absar,
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Sunlum,
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Total Energies,
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Jet Stores,
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MWeb,
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Vans.
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Anyway,
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like...
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Again, I'm not here to try and sell myself as what I can
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bring to the party right now.
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I will down the line.
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What else?
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I think just my thinking is that if...
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g -rad or xyz cocktail collection we can
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call it freaking julian agency it doesn't the name's not important but
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that almost becomes an umbrella and then under that umbrella we can build a
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team and the right model like the agency model is broken i've
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i've fought it for so damn long and i've tried to without
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the real resources if i if i could have
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employed people
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to work within my team at Superiate,
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I really believe I could have built something really massive and
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I really believe that that opportunity still exists.
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Anyway,
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whether it's a team,
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we're not going to hire 20 people on day one.
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We can start lean,
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smart.
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I can head it up strategically and
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commercially, obviously with your commercial insights and expertise
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and everything else.
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I'm a fucking great marketer.
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I'm a shit administrator.
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I'm not built to...
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I sat in accounts lectures and I wanted to shoot myself.
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It's not for me.
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It's not the way I'm wired.
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It's not what I bring to the party.
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But also to be lean and smart,
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maybe there's an account manager that needs to come on or
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a project coordinator because I need to be the brain sitting in the office
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directing this ship with some workers to get
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the job done.
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And that can even be outsourced to specialists slash trusted
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partners.
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I mean,
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whether it's,
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and I'm just throwing this out there,
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if it's design,
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web, brand identity,
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maybe even social execution.
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Ronen Jackson runs Mustard Agency.
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He's a mate of mine,
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but at the end of the day,
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he produces really good work.
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If it's influencer marketing,
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AI,
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data.
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whatever it might be you're talking about tech uh get
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on judes and i've been chatting for so long and we could use his software his
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ai platforms um
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whatever it might be.
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We don't need to own every skill internally.
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We need to own the strategy and then the client relationship
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and the thinking and the campaign architecture and then the delivery
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standard.
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But for me,
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it's, as you said,
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it's slow process.
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For me,
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this is just,
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hi Jules,
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this is me,
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I'm Brad.
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And as if you didn't
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know me,
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you know again not to get into that much detail but i for
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me it would almost need to make sense to say okay you come to the party and you say listen
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brad this is what you from day one can
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earn slash
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equity slash da da da da da and we work out an absolute
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fair deal that everyone's getting the the best out of this i'm all about
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partnerships and and feeding off what your infrastructure
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your knowledge your teams etc etc um
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and this puts a lot of things that i've been trying to put together
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um really really well so i'm
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happy to
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Jesus, a 10 -minute voice note.
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Sorry about that.
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That's like illegal in my world.
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But it just means that you can't interrupt me.
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Otherwise, this would have been a 60 -minute phone conversation.
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So do we map?
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How do we progress?
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Do I come and sit with you,
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whoever I need to,
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to talk about?
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A potential,
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whatever,
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just a vision,
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a structure.
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Who owns what?
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What is my role?
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Is there a 12 -month pilot?
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I don't want to call it that,
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but what does success look like at the end of the day?
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Speaker 2 (PTT-20260528-WA0015)
End of the day,
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I'm very excited about it.
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I'm certainly not going to sit back and say,
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oh, Jules,
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I'll think about it.
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I'm fucking excited about it.
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It's come at almost a perfect time.
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for me to be able to do something with some professional
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and with the right financial backing that obviously returns a
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massive return on investment for you,
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your partners,
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et cetera,
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et cetera.
10:58
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Speaker 1 (PTT-20260528-WA0015)
And let's do some very cool things.
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Speaker 1 (PTT-20260528-WA0015)
You know where to find me.
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Let me know the next steps.
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Thanks a lot.
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Cheers.
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