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this is take one of an interview with fred wilson
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morrison attorney washington d c member of the class
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of nineteen thirteen of the university of north carolina made
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in his office on the morning of january eleven nineteen seventy
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seven mr morrison
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It seems to me it would be a good idea for us to begin these interviews by
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your giving us some of the setting and background of the world of Pioneer
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Mills, Cabarrus County,
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North Carolina,
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in which you grew up.
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And if you can start with some of your earliest recollections,
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that would be helpful.
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Well,
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that is not the town or the village in which
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I grew up.
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I grew up a mile
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and three quarters from Pioneer Mills,
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by the road from our house,
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too.
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And about a mile,
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if you went across the fields and through some pine trees,
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straight by walking through.
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This is in
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southern Paris County,
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a little west of center,
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I guess.
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No, about just a little west of center.
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It had
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a population of three families
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when I got here.
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One,
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Dr.
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John Black,
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became a doctor.
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A doctor for my parents became
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my doctor.
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One was Mr.
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John Barnhart,
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who was in
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the store and had the post office in the store and
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did a pretty good business with
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country people and his clientele.
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His customers were country people.
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And the other one was a cousin of my father,
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Mr.
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Jim Morrison,
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and I forget his initials.
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He had children.
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were nice to me when I was a little boy coming along.
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In your own family,
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you had two brothers?
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Yes.
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Were they older or younger than you?
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Both younger.
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John and Elam.
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John next to me and Elam,
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E -L -A -M,
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the youngest.
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Would
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you tell us a little bit,
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I know from your nieces,
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a bit about your mother and how close you were.
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Would you give us a little information about your parents and your
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brothers?
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I may broaden this answer a little more than that question.
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That's fine.
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My parents,
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Columbus
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Howard Morrison and Palmyra Farr,
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P -H -A -R -R.
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The father
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of each of
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my parents was a
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soldier in the war between the states,
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a
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soldier in the Confederate Army.
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My mother's
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father graduated from Davidson College in 1859.
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I believe.
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That was in the army in 1861.
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And his name?
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Was Samuel Elijah Wellington Farr,
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P -H -A -R -R.
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And my daddy's father was
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named Dwight Morrison.
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He was in
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the Army.
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They were
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both for the fourth period,
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but each of them spent the latter
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part of his service in war prison.
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Do you remember which prisons?
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No.
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Not Andersonville,
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perhaps, in South Carolina?
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I don't think so.
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I think it's up in Virginia way.
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They're
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both.
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I think I was told that my grandfather
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Morrison...
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weighed something over a pound,
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220 pounds.
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When he went into the service,
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our soul
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weighed 145 when he got out
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and that he had suffered from lack
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of medicine in prison.
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My
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grandfather, Farr,
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had something that
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kept on staying with him for a while,
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a long time after he was back home,
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no
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bowel trouble.
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and I can't think of the damn word.
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Dysentery, I would think.
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Dysentery or something?
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Dysentery or something that goes wrong with dysentery,
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that's right.
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I couldn't think of the word.
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Lamar
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Anderson died early 1890.
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And
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therefore you did not know him well,
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I see.
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That was the very year you were born?
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Some months before my birth.
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I see.
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I didn't know whether he meant the early 1890s or that very year,
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I'm sorry.
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My
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grandfather, Farr,
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I believe,
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Died in 1923 or 1927.
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I think it's 27,
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but remember for
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sure. He was buried at
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Rocky River Congregation in Cabarrus
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County.
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He was
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buried in the graveyard in the western part
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of Concord.
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That means the western graveyard
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in the 1927 period.
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Now,
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my brother,
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youngest brother,
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Elam, lost his
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life when he
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was a young boy.
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At about seven
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years through the first grade and I remember that.
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And we lost it this way.
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We,
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my daddy
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was storekeeper,
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gin,
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cotton gin operator.
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Yes.
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Then
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he had the ability to hire good people to help him.
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He had my mommy.
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She didn't make mistakes and run in the store.
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She collected a lot of bills.
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He was going to Concord,
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my daddy was,
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morning.
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I think Saturday morning, nine miles away.
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My dad had asked him to saddle up the horse.
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He was going to ride horseback to town.
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The
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well house that he got
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water to in the barnyard for the watering hole
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was broken down for some reason.
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A colored man who
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was fixing up this horse,
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my daddy Ryan,
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called for my youngest brother,
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Elam.
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Cap,
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come here.
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I want you to go down to the spring with me to water this horse.
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What did he call him?
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He called him Kemp.
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Kemp.
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That's short for Kempton,
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I think.
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And he was seven years old,
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you know, he needed all the titles to get it.
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He didn't go damn about that,
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but that's just what Buck,
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the black fellow,
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called.
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Yes.
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Elam,
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the white kid.
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Kemp,
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come in,
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take this horse,
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go with me down to the spring,
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which was a quarter of a mile away,
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down a red hill,
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not too steep,
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but downhill all the way there.
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A cotton field on each side of it.
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A cultivated land,
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I mean.
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The hedge going along between
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the field and the roads on each side.
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A little bit of a hedge.
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Little satchelras trees and that sort
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of thing. Went down there and watered
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these animals.
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And coming back,
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my brother was lolling on the
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bare back of his horse.
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And here
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out of the cotton patch on the left,
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going east up toward a dog.
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bounces out.
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The
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colored fellow told us that a rabbit ran across the road
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and a dog bounced,
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scared
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the horse,
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even was riding,
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lolling on us,
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I said a while ago.
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So he jumps
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and my brother swings down around and catches
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the bridle reins right under the chin
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of the horse.
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and swings down but his head swings around and is hit
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by the knee of the horse and we send
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the horse not to town but hunting for the doctor.
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We didn't get him for the afternoon.
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This was early enough in the morning for you to go to town nine miles away.
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Yes.
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Dr.
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Black, was Dr.
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Black who attended him?
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No, that was,
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we'd moved to another part of Cabanas County at that time.
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This is Dr.
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Galga.
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How do you spell that?
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G -O -U -G -E -R,
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or G -O -W -G -E -R,
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and I'm not clear of which now.
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I used to know,
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but a long time since I've said the name and so on.
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My brother
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died the next morning from this blow
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on the brain,
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and the doctor stayed scared
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of it.
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But on the
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hospital that we knew about,
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it wasn't in Concord,
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but it was...
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Salisbury,
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there's 25 miles or 26 or 7 miles from where we live.
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That'd take,
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well,
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country red clay roads and a
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mule or a horse and buggy.
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The boy in grave conditions to transport over
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roads like that.
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That's right.
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My brother,
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John, he got
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along three
14:47
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years or so after this
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incident I've just been talking about took place.
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My folks moved from
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this number two township in Cabarrus County
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up to Spencer.
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And it was after Spencer had been laid out,
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Spencer was almost a private town
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built by the Southern Railway for Southern Railway
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employees north of
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Salisbury.
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Where the big yards are.
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There were the Spencer Yards,
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freight yards,
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said Spencer.
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It was a terminal of different divisions,
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north and south and west and east.
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The east,
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not going far from Spencer and Salisbury,
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but down to Albemarle,
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down Norwood,
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I think, is where it stops in Stanley County.
15:47
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But the western line goes all the way to Memphis,
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and you can get off it in some way and get on to St.
15:54
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Louis.
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The southern does get a line into St.
15:57
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Louis. And the north comes,
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the southern railway line north comes as far as D .C.
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here, and the south it goes to Birmingham.
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And then over another road,
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the least privilege of running
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passenger train,
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on to New Orleans.
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And you can get down into as far as Jacksonville,
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South Carolina on the southern,
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I think.
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So you moved into the,
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
as it were,
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
company town of Spencer?
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Or just near it?
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In it.
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Into it.
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You
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still have a home that my daddy
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bought when it's going to go there.
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
It's going to be out.
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wholesale merchant and retail merchant,
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general merchant,
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and Salisbury had the wholesale
16:54
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merchants operations pretty well established.
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After time,
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this partnership
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my father moved into was mainly a retail
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establishment and he bought out the other partner and he
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and we boys and my
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mother keeping us all straight,
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working around it.
17:28
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
To go back just a little bit,
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your mother appears to have played a very significant role,
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not only as mother to the family,
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but as helper to your father in the businesses he had before he went to Spain.
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
That's right.
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
Could you touch on that theme just a little bit?
17:41
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Well,
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I think I
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can cover it like this.
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My daddy,
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he was a doggone
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good salesman,
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and my mama was a pretty hard -headed collector.
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Well,
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I think that...
18:07
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can sound a little smart aleck,
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but I think that gives you the
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difference in the way they approach doing business.
18:15
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
It's a pretty good combination,
18:16
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too.
18:17
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Yeah, I think so.
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My brother,
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part of
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the way through high school,
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went after
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to get a job as
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an apprentice in a water shop on
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the Southern Railway,
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and there's shops that we spoke of them having just built,
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starting in 1899.
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I guess 1900 is the year that started railing at the building.
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Yes.
18:55
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And is that about the time you all moved into Spencer?
18:58
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
No, about 1903 or four.
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I see.
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That'd be right.
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Just about the time the first plane flew,
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you were getting on the railroad.
19:06
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Well,
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I remember going to Concord and staying
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at my grandmother's overnight in order
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to see the first automobile in Salisbury riding at night.
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James W.
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
Cannon's son had bought.
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automobile, a automobile,
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and he's going to show it off.
19:37
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People have seen him driving it around in daylight,
19:41
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but he's going to show it off at night,
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show the lights and this and that and so on.
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I think that's the first
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acquaintance I had with an automobile,
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
looking at it go by.
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It's gone so soon that I didn't see much else.
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
About what year would you guess that was?
20:03
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
I would guess that was later than I've been talking.
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I guess that was between 1907 or
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1905 or
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1906, up to 1905 and 1908,
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somewhere in there.
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Let me draw your attention back to the farm
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Speaker 3 (B0051_Audio_1)
yesterday when we were preparing for the tapes.
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You mentioned an incident.
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involving the gift of an ex to you by your father and some subsequent events
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that had an influence on your life,
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and I wonder if you could tell that now.
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Well,
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it's
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
not so important,
20:48
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but it was this way.
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Going back
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to where I was born,
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I got to be
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nearly six years old.
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Got
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to be laid,
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
well,
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laid by.
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
Cotton
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
was an important crop for laying by,
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and you laid it by in
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the first...
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half of July if you could,
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and if you didn't,
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you wanted to get it done in July.
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And there's
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going
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
to be a school,
21:49
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six weeks or maybe two
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months, uncertain exacting time,
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a part of the four months public
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
school term in each county.
22:06
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Speaker 3 (B0051_Audio_1)
I believe you said that was announced by the poll tax.
22:09
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
No,
22:10
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it was the length of the time it ran was controlled by the poll tax.
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It was a property tax,
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but she couldn't
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The higher your poll
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
tax went,
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
the lower your property tax had to stop.
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And that was helpful
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to big property taxpayers and hard
22:35
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
-earned, plain people,
22:37
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
mainly living on somebody else's land and just
22:41
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paid poll taxes to their local governments.
22:45
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Speaker 3 (B0051_Audio_1)
And the school term was regulated by needs for harvesting crops.
22:50
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
What took that into account?
22:52
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I'm not talking about child
22:56
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labor, but most country people,
22:58
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whether they were big farmers or little farmers,
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their children learned how to work and work connected
23:06
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with keeping that farm operating.
23:09
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
And my
23:14
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daddy
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
did a lot of his own wood
23:24
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shopping,
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
and that's what you didn't go to town and get coal to heat
23:31
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
your house,
23:32
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use wood.
23:34
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
I went out to the field.
23:36
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Speaker 3 (B0051_Audio_1)
Cut down the tree.
23:40
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
Cut down the tree.
23:41
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
And if it's big
23:45
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
enough, what I'm talking about,
23:48
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
try for heat in the house now.
23:52
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
You haul those branches into
23:57
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
your barnyard or your backyard and
24:01
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
cut it up for kindling wood and for burning
24:06
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
wood.
24:06
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
And my daddy's axe was
24:10
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
worn and it had been...
24:15
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mistreated some,
24:16
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so he bought a new one,
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and gave me the oldest young one,
24:20
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bought
24:32
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Speaker 2 (B0051_Audio_1)
them, and I
24:36
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
think it was a Saturday morning,
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to work,
24:40
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and told
24:45
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me before he went away,
24:46
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
he said, now, you can cut some wood if you
24:50
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
want to find places,
24:54
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
but I've put the new axe.
25:02
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stuck it down,
25:03
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chopped it down into a stump.
25:04
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
And I don't want you to do that.
25:07
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
I don't want John to be using it.
25:09
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John,
25:11
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two and a half years younger than I am.
25:14
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And
25:18
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
John comes out when I'm chopping on the wood and wants
25:22
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
to chop.
25:22
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
He asked me to get that axe for him.
25:24
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
I told him,
25:26
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
Paul said he couldn't have it.
25:28
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It was too heavy for him and he didn't want him to.
25:32
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And told me not to.
25:34
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And it went along all right.
25:37
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
After a while,
25:38
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
John got tired of...
25:41
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
I reckon John got to think about it and he said,
25:43
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
I'll tell you.
25:43
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
He didn't say you couldn't use any axe,
25:46
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Speaker 1 (B0051_Audio_1)
he said you get it and let me use this axe.
25:49
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And that's what it did.
25:51
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And he was one
25:55
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end
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of a post oak
26:06
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limb or a white oak limb,
26:07
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some sort of wood limb.
26:11
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It was eight,
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maybe twelve feet long.
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