HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026

May 11, 2026 16:41 · 43:29 · English · Whisper Turbo · 4 Wasemaji
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
This is the matter of Uwasawa.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Uwasawa
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
versus Hoboken Planning Board on Road Properties,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Hoboken Care,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
L .I .C.,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
L .A.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Moore, PDL 476 -25.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Plaintiff,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
please, your parents.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Okay.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And you,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
ma 'am, are?
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Oh,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yes.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Okay.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Great,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
thank you.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And your appearances.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
All right,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
so you can have a seat when you're addressing the court.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Of course, you have to stand.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So the motion to intervene,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm not hearing all argument on,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
okay?
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And I have already made a decision on that.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm going to deny that application.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So this motion is
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
a motion to dismiss the complaint.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They want to dismiss your complaint.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Sir and ma 'am.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So they go first.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They tell me why that should be.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And then...
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
He'll respond if you'd like,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and then we go from there.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So it's your motion,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'll hear you.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I've read the papers.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Thank you,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Your Honor. Very simply,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
this motion comes down to two concrete points.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
One, there does exist and was represented to the
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
planning board of the Sviva Book,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and that an agreement exists between the North and Burmick Board.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and the redeveloper relative to the vibrational aspects,
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which the board properly relied upon in rendering its decision.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Furthermore,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and really the second point,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
is that the allegations of the complaint,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
even if they were taken to be true,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
were considered for the board and
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dismissed.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
None of these issues were ones that the board improperly
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
failed to consider.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
None of them were issues that were not raised before the board by either the
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
plaintiff or their proxies during the course of the hearing.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
These were issues that were raised by individual plaintiffs and individual
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
members of the board as well as the
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individual who was identified as the agent for the plaintiffs during the course of those hearings.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And at that hearing,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
issues related to the vibrational stability of the building were raised,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
considered,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and dispensed.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The fact that the plaintiffs did not make a full -throated opposition
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
during the course of those hearings does not invalidate in any way,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
shape, or form the actions taken by the City of Oklahoma Plain
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Court.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The planning board,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
based on the information that it was provided,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
valid and clearly,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
made a decision based on the record before it,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and rendered this decision as it must,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
because this was an application without merits.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And so in that world,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
it's required that the city's planning
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
board, having reviewed the application and the record before it,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
shall issue a resolution for approval and favor of the government,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
which is exactly what they did here.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The majority of the claims that are advanced by the claimants in this matter are
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
really collateral attacks at the resolution,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
intending more to channel into internal machinations of the door.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And so for that reason,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Your Honor, none of these claims,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
even were they to be true,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
do not affect the actions taken by the city of the government's opinion.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So what is it
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
that you're seeking,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir?
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm seeking dismissal of the people.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The fact that...
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
that the plaintiffs here either
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
made their arguments or were considered
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
by the board,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
don't they have a right to bring an action in lieu of prerogative rights?
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Don't they
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
have a right to do that?
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
There's no doubt that they have a right to file an action.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The question is,
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does it rise to the level of action surpassing the standard for a motion to be dismissed?
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
When we look at the pleadings as they're set forward,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
those pleadings do not establish a causal action that invalidates the
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
action of the Planning Board.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The Planning Board was presented with this information,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
partially or in whole.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The claims that are being advanced with regard to vibration or anything else were advanced
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
by various members of the Dory community.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They were considered by the Board,
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and the Board chose to,
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in its proper and appropriate action,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
approve the application of the court.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
as it stands,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
these are all effectively an end -around to try to expand the record to introduce
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
more evidence than otherwise it was considered by the court,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
even if you take those considerations.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Thank you.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Ms.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Almeida, anything?
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
ma 'am and sir,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm sure you're aware they are seeking to have your case dismissed
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
with
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
which means that once it's dismissed,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
we're done here.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The only recourse you could have would be to file an appeal with the appellate division.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Very difficult,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
very technical.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm sure you could do it if you had to.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
That is what they seek.
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And what do you say about all that?
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Sir or ma 'am,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
whoever's going to speak,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
or you could both speak but not at the same time.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Yes, may I speak my honor?
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Your honor,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
may I speak?
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
You could speak,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yeah, you just have to,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yes, sorry,
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S… Speaker 3 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you have to stand up and speak clearly and loudly for the recording device.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So basically,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yes,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
we are the resident of Doric,
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and we,
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basically,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
we are arguing that our building is very...
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Very unique.
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It's not like normal building,
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like standard classical building in Hoboken.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So we tried to argue that basically we need extreme
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care when we plan the development like this.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
However,
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the...
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Basically the planning board did not spend
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time in addressing those issues even though those issues were laced
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and also we provided numerous exhibits
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and also the...
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The detail,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
so -called vibration detail that the opposing party
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
mentioned was not disclosed to our residents until the
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approval was made.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So basically we are asking the court to at least to bring the
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case back to the public and so that at least we can discuss this safety
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issue that we are not able to discuss so
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that it will be more transparent.
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the residents,
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the people at the door could be protected.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So that is basically the core part of this.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And also,
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actually,
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we try to raise the issue.
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on July 1st.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Actually,
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our people tried to raise a concern about
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the vibration, but we couldn't hear.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Actually,
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it is in a minute.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
We couldn't hear the conversation,
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the so -called agreement,
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the so -called project was making.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So basically,
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you know,
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so that, you know,
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in that point, we will not be able to actively engage in
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argument.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
We don't know in the political.
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So,
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actually,
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it's a violation of the open public meeting because we are not informed
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about the content of that so -called agreement,
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which we are not known about.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's enough idea until two weeks later.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And the detail,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
we didn't get it until August 22nd,
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August 27th,
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which is almost two months later.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So, I mean,
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it will be absurd because we didn't have an opportunity to argue because
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it's important to argue because we couldn't really know the information at
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the time of the hearing.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And also the agreement,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I have a number of exhibits that I provided that the,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
basically,
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police board members,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
they said there was no agreement.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They couldn't agree to this because the agreement they proposed is basically,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
excuse my language,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
a sharp agreement because...
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
they do low impact driver with testing and monitoring but
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that is already in the mandate but users are low.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
There is a low NJSA 40 -50 -50
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-50 -50
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Yeah, I think basically the New
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Jersey Construction Court,
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it is required by the New Jersey Construction Court that this low
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impact of driving,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
its monitoring with the self
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
-limit, it's already mandated by the construction court,
10:22
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
by the New Jersey Construction Court.
10:24
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So this is really a disciple of protection.
10:26
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
This agreement is almost like me making agreements with DLA.
10:30
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I agree not to speak.
10:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
You don't need this kind of argument,
10:33
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
because if you speak,
10:34
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you're going to get scared anyway.
10:35
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And also,
10:36
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
they're offering this,
10:38
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
it's like they're offering self -monitoring
10:42
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
is also not,
10:43
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
it makes no sense.
10:47
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Majority of Doric residents basically oppose this,
10:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
because it is almost like a developer self -monitor,
10:54
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and then they put the issue to Doric,
10:57
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but it is almost like me.
10:59
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Like, it's almost like me,
11:01
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
after speeding,
11:02
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
walking into the police,
11:03
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and then telling the police,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
asking for ticket.
11:06
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
You know,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you don't need that.
11:07
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's the police.
11:08
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Catch me and give you a ticket.
11:12
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I mean, it's not really,
11:13
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
it's not the,
11:14
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
it's also the driver.
11:16
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Driver will never send the boat to get a ticket.
11:20
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So, likewise,
11:21
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
this job of monitoring and enforcing is wrong by the
11:26
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
business department.
11:27
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and also DTA,
11:29
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
state,
11:29
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and the construction of the force code enforcer.
11:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
That is their job to enforce.
11:33
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The developer has no power.
11:35
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I mean, they could do it,
11:37
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but it's almost like a fox.
11:39
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's almost like a fox protecting the king housing.
11:42
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So this is a charm.
11:43
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And also, even for Boric,
11:46
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
this is very dangerous because I used to be a developer myself,
11:50
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
so I know.
11:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's time monitoring.
11:53
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the vibration.
11:54
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm not going to report the vibration that is going
11:59
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
to show the damage about Doric.
12:03
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So I'm going to only show the convenient data.
12:06
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So in case you make a lawsuit,
12:08
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the judge will only sign Doric from inside the agreement and only available
12:13
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
data is what is provided,
12:15
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
which is poorly,
12:16
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
they will only show an informer developer and will only show the one that is convenient.
12:21
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So, Doric is not fully protected.
12:22
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And also,
12:23
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
another thing,
12:24
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
based on my experience,
12:25
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
after the construction,
12:26
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the user development is all the LLC.
12:30
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So it's,
12:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you cannot go after,
12:33
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Doric cannot go after the LLC.
12:34
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Because I used to have an LLC,
12:36
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and after I finished my construction,
12:38
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I finished,
12:38
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I dissolved my LLC,
12:39
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
so you cannot go after.
12:40
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
By the way,
12:41
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the south side,
12:42
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
from the condo,
12:43
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
that condo collapsed two years after the construction.
12:46
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It was stamped by the licensed engineer that it was okay.
12:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So license engineer is not a guarantee.
12:53
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's not.
12:55
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
License engineer is not a guarantee that protecting the world of care.
12:59
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's one of the examples I provided in court that
13:03
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the number of cases where a license engineer,
13:06
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
a stamp project,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
ended up being a class failure.
13:11
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
On the floor, the case ended up being $1 million liability
13:16
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
between 95 deaths.
13:18
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The quality is 435 people with
13:22
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
27 -story tall building sitting on a cliff apart
13:27
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and supported by the sea metal
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
beam.
13:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So that structure is very,
13:34
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
very project.
13:37
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Basically, engineering -wise,
13:38
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
actually there are a number of engineering papers,
13:42
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
academic and research papers,
13:45
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
that show that free attached to building is more sensitive than the building
13:49
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
on a flat -end.
13:50
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And actually,
13:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
we did a calculation based on the vine,
13:54
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
because we have a vine,
13:56
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and interestingly,
13:57
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
in a minute,
13:59
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
in October,
14:00
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
October minutes,
14:01
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
actually,
14:02
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Mr.
14:03
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Romero asked a question to Mr.
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Frank Willavimi,
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the architect.
14:07
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Are you familiar with the vine construction?
14:09
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
There was a damage to the political vine construction.
14:11
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
All right,
14:12
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir, let me just,
14:13
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but there's something,
14:15
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
this agreement between the Doric and the city.
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
planning board,
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the DORC board,
14:22
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
don't they speak for the residents?
14:24
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So how, so you're not happy with their decision?
14:27
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Actually,
14:28
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Your Honor,
14:29
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
actually we are never informed about the content of this arrangement until
14:34
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
like two weeks after.
14:36
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But so then isn't your issue not with the Hoboken
14:40
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
planning board,
14:41
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but with the management or,
14:44
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm sorry, the board of the DORC?
14:49
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Well,
14:50
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
actually the issue was that the agreement was
14:55
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
not communicated with a Doric resident.
15:00
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The issue is,
15:01
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Doric brought as late as February of this year.
15:05
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
He said there is no agreement.
15:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Nothing is being agreed.
15:08
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I can provide the appendix
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S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
to you two days ago.
15:14
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I was just going to say,
15:16
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I just want to make clear that there is no agreement between the planning board and the majority.
15:37
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But isn't the Doric Association the ones who would
15:41
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
make this objection since they're responsible for the common
15:45
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
elements?
15:46
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
of the building and all of,
15:48
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I would say,
15:50
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the governing of the building.
15:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They govern Dodork.
15:52
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Aren't they the ones who really have the duty
15:57
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
to engage with this developer or the
16:02
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
city of Hoboken?
16:03
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The maintenance,
16:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yes,
16:07
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yes.
16:07
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But this is about development in front of Dodork.
16:12
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The what in front of the door?
16:14
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Development,
16:14
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the construction.
16:15
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I understand that.
16:16
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So the responsibility
16:20
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
of the board is the maintenance of this building.
16:23
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It's also for the governing of the building.
16:28
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Yes, but so this is initially,
16:29
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the board was against landsatimono project,
16:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
initially.
16:34
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Because, actually,
16:35
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
we have a text message and also email message.
16:38
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Let's get back on point.
16:39
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Really what the issue is not whether they were for or against it.
16:41
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
What did the board do that was the board,
16:44
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
meaning the Hoboken Planning Board,
16:46
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
that was arbitrary,
16:46
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
capricious,
16:47
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and unreasonable?
16:49
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Good question.
16:49
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
3 .1 is basically
16:54
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the disregard for public safety.
16:58
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
As I mentioned before,
17:02
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the safety issue is not fully better because Doric is a very
17:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
unique building.
17:07
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
It hurts from a cliff.
17:08
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
We could have a lot of subsides in Florida.
17:13
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I don't want that.
17:13
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I think it's better to be said than sorry.
17:15
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So that's one issue.
17:16
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The one issue is the disregard for public safety.
17:19
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But what is the disregard for public safety?
17:22
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Yes.
17:23
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Safety is basically the vibration.
17:28
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They did not do the geotechnical
17:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
test.
17:37
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Do you want the planning board to do that?
17:40
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
To do vibration tests?
17:42
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The planning board to do that?
18:02
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Based on what,
18:03
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir? You say that,
18:05
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but that's a 166 violation.
18:07
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm sure the door was built in the codes it was at
18:11
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the time it was built.
18:12
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
If it was built in an unsafe condition,
18:14
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
really you should be making some other application to have the building closed.
18:18
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But when you say it's a unique building,
18:20
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you're telling me that it's more sensitive to vibrations.
18:22
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Based on what?
18:24
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And if it is more sensitive...
18:27
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Why is that the planning board's decision in another town?
18:31
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I'm not following you at all,
18:32
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir. Basically, we have previous damage
18:37
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
from vine construction 15 years ago.
18:39
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And so that issue was brought up in the planning board.
18:42
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So there was an issue raised during the hearing that
18:47
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
there was a damage from previous construction
18:51
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
from nearby building,
18:53
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
which was 600 feet away from Doric.
18:56
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
All right, but that's then.
18:58
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So that was addressed.
18:59
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Was that the vibrations discussed at the planning board meeting for this project?
19:03
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Well,
19:05
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I think public safety,
19:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
discussing about public safety is a concern that we raised.
19:10
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Well, you say public safety,
19:11
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but that's very broad.
19:12
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Public safety because you shouldn't smoke cigarettes or breathe in cigarette smoke,
19:15
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
or that you shouldn't get mugged on the subway.
19:17
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So I don't know what that means either,
19:18
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir. Okay.
19:19
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So basically,
19:20
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
to narrow down,
19:23
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
it's really the context of the structure of the
19:27
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Doric, because Doric could be adversely more damaged
19:31
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
because of the...
19:32
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
See, what I don't understand,
19:33
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir, is any development anywhere in an urban
19:37
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
area, if there's going to be...
19:39
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
pile drivings,
19:40
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
there's going to be vibrations.
19:42
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And if there's neighborhood buildings,
19:43
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
those things,
19:45
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
if I'm not mistaken,
19:46
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
are addressed by the building department,
19:48
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
the construction code official,
19:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
perhaps the Department of Community Affairs,
19:54
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but I don't think so,
19:55
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but perhaps the planning board.
20:01
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
may have,
20:01
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but you said there were some concerns brought at the meeting about vibrations about this
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S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
project.
20:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
And they didn't address them.
20:25
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Sorry,
20:25
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you're going afar.
20:27
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The planning board heard the concerns about vibrations for the door,
20:31
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
and did they not address that issue?
20:37
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
To your satisfaction.
20:39
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
You don't like what their decision was about that.
20:43
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But
20:47
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you don't speak for the people of Dork.
20:49
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
You speak for yourself.
20:50
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
They're not here.
20:51
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
That's true,
20:53
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
but we spoke with hundreds of people.
20:56
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Irrelevant,
20:57
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
sir.
20:58
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
You filed this case,
20:59
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I guess,
21:00
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
in this lady as well.
21:02
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
for this concern.
21:03
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
So I know you say,
21:04
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you don't speak for the people,
21:05
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you speak for yourself.
21:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
I suppose if the building is going to collapse,
21:08
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you all are involved in that.
21:10
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
But you don't like their,
21:12
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
if I understand your argument,
21:13
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
you don't like the planning board's response to your concern
21:18
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
or the other's concerns about vibrations.
21:20
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Yes or no?
21:24
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
Partially,
21:25
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
yes, but we have two more issues.
21:28
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
This is one of the arbitral and capriciousness,
21:31
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
this is public safety.
21:34
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The other issue is basically the
21:38
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
open public meeting,
21:40
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
because we
21:44
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
are not basically prevented from participating
21:48
S… Speaker 1 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
in open...
22:06
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
The Open Public Meetings Act means that you were
22:11
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
not given notice and a governing body made decisions in
22:15
S… Speaker 2 (HUD-L-4760-25 24-04-2026)
secret or in a way that wasn't open to the public.

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