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and we know the standards that are set under FSC or secondly obviously is

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setting up our own forest management area, running that as our own and

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obviously setting that to having it possibly certified under FSC and for

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international sustainability standards. So that is obviously a key one in terms of

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our sourcing FSC is going to cost more weather. So pieces, so we say small pieces

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

which are off-cuts, we would then try to reuse them, rather than just smaller pieces

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and this will pop back into something else, up further to the pieces such as

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sawdust, the range of off-cuts that we would have in the process that's used to

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then keep the shed in which the timber is stored to try it. Obviously that is

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

direct burning timber itself, not just of timber but obviously it could be of value

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to turn into something that we could sell or whatever. So we have proved on that

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from 10 weeks down to 10 days. It's still wood-fired but is much more efficient so

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it is just at least reducing that process. There is obviously been further

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just so everyone is given proper contracts and

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everybody maintains to compliance standards of fair pay, worse compensation and

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also have, which is I guess second, separate, but is still part of all the social

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responsibility for other companies as well. So we basically offer, we have an

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agreement with the correctional services here in Zambia, so the prisons and

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the areas that they, we find obviously a lot of times the prisons are given areas of

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land that are taught different skills etc. so that when they do reintegrate into

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facilities is setting up a plan.

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production, setting up new nurseries, things like that, so that is also, although separate

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

from the company, it is a separate entity, but it is obviously still under us that we

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do.

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So that is, that is a basic, you know, sustainable initiatives that we do.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Well, maybe we can just, maybe one by one and see, like, actually doing already of those

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

ideas.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Absolutely, we can just, but for you guys, transparency, markets, forest materials and

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all sorts.

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So it's obviously, I guess, taking it, the FSC itself, so there is obviously the chain

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

of custody, which comes through FSC, and FSC soil, and obviously with cells and then FSC

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certified, basically means that that certificate can often are sort of getting back to sort

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of the digital footprint, say of the exact cords that the tree was cut down from into this particular

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table.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

This is obviously a little bit where things can, it's harder to exactly say and confirm

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as to say that you can, you're being signed a lot more digitized at this process.

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So you can say that, yes, there's a batch of timber of certain sizes.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

So you can say that, yes, there's a lot of timber of certain sizes.

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So let's see.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Thank you.

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certain areas but then other ones we have some lower grade and size lower sizes could then be

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mixed with another batch from a previous cutting so if that makes sense um yeah it will maintain

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certification is one particular and a certain table so we would love to say this is what's

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got here but obviously it's it's a mix of certain trees and planks which are from this forest area

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at first step as some traceability is that we can certainly do qr's like batching as this one

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erp systems that are code scanner capacity of limiting and it's possible but obviously maybe

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a more sort of yeah so do you think kind of issues with etc do you think kind of having that

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but 70% of the demand comes from the rural areas.

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So firstly, it's finding an alternative to charcoal,

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and then at the same time,

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assisting the people in the rural areas

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who were getting an income from...

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

I mean, charcoal production is a horrible job.

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No one wants to do it.

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It's dirty, you're working for long hours,

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the heat of the governance,

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no one wants to do it, but yeah, like I said,

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they eat crops or to buy food.

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It's definitely a bit of consumers,

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people wanting to buy and slowly get the idea of...

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

...two minutes, but please continue

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with the rest of the team.

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Maybe one of the other team members

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can kind of take charge of the discussion

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and just continue with the...

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

I understand the idea of things like

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cut-off optimization software is very achievable,

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you know, with simpler tools,

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rancid machines for myself to aid in our setting up

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the production lines.

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So that is where, like I said,

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with an active ERP system,

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

things like Sage can market,

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

turning timber into a table leg, rather than this idea.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

So I have a question, like,

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S… Speaker 3 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

are you using any software right now?

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S… Speaker 3 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

I'm sorry, I didn't...

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S… Speaker 3 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

I couldn't catch off everything what you said,

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S… Speaker 3 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

but just to know.

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S… Speaker 4 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

As we're going to know,

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

I'm using Sage and also semi-stop-start.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Yeah, yeah.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

process victorious so are you using like CNC machine for designing the like

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

surface area no but when I have seen your some videos like from Facebook page

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and maybe website it looks like you maybe you are using some kind of machines

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

which looks like CNC should I say so obviously you can still achieve the same

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

some other kind of results but it just requires a more manual cutting process

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

so using a no there so no cutting it up yeah okay thank you

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

interesting you guys here the use of the question certainly you know 99% of the

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percent of that's markets that which is being interested in it but surprising

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

they they're not interested because the FSC timber and and is far too high for

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not having to sell through FSC just because of the health and safety and the

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

production the company Cicale Chinese think that that's a to do business with

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

them in that sort of area so is there is there any like companies with whom China

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is doing kind of collaboration or just it's buying only the raw materials I like

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

they they have a company called Cicale Wood you can search them up

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they're not interested in risk i guess on that side so how does like jambian market become so much

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

uh dependent on china because it's kind of on country you said like it's almost 99 or 93 percent

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

uh 99 percent it's like kind of which is it's like fully dependent on china kind of right

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until now and maybe some maybe a little bit on vietnam and that's obviously comes down to

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

slightly you have that report i guess put together you know often maybe it goes to vietnam then we

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

obviously item is going to the asian market um should be safe for the costs and very unregulated

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

through south africa through china itself and these other areas um yeah and often the time is

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they're back to us at a higher cost so you know it's a sort of backwards kind of idea but then

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

it's a typical in zambia here it's you have the raw materials it's exported at a lower cost

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

same as with our culture it's turned into wire and then it's all like so do you have any uh like

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

calculations how much money you would need if you want to set up a like what can i say like kind of

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uh well-equipped uh company with well-equipped machines and which which can produce product

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that can be sold abroad and um we've done business plans we've done business plans on this if you're

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

obviously looking at something like a soil you're setting up your own soil um you could be looking at

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

a total cost of around um say 500 000 up to 750 000 for a full you know fsc certified workshop um

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sawmill operating and then obviously management of the the area itself which would be up to maybe

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seven thousand hectares of forest through a large concession over five years and that's including

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obviously sort of machinery which comes alongside it so fsc certifications so you need around one million

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

dollar to meet all the all the requirements yes yeah yeah ideally obviously as a company the

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

moment we do also have access to certain machinery development and right now like with europe uh jambia

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

doesn't have too much import and export of timber or wooden products so maybe you have to plan from

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

by scratch how you can just make a connection with european countries exactly because in europe uh some

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countries also a good big exporter uh like finland or germany or austria they export more than they

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

import so and some countries are also important but yeah you need to do a deep analysis on it on that

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

it's it's a difficult for business to get into european market from zambia because the timber is never

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really being market so that market doesn't really

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cost just to get to a port rather than a thousand dollars which is a you know a 40 foot container

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within a country to a port you're looking at up to four thousand six thousand dollars to get from

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zambia to a port so cost wise as well to the european market requires some work and some

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development to get them interested in in even starting with our timber year but here what

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

idea could be like if there is european markets like business which is operating in africa like

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some neighboring country of jambia or jambia uh those brands maybe they can cooperate

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

because absolutely yeah absolutely yeah that's where sort of eu you know set up partnership um

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there's even a government-based organization they can't even start because

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S… Speaker 3 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

yeah thank you maybe and yeah i see you've got the first

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

and uh yeah another thing this company is like fully private owned right so like maybe if it was a

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

limited company with uh yeah then maybe it would be easier to uh to get fund yeah well this is to me an

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

idea it's changing the sort of operational side of the company it can be cheaper for you companies uh it

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

can be cheaper yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely that's because it's it's a group of certificates by themselves

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and then an understanding and obviously yes it is hot here requires heat to be yes there's the you know some

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amentos they're coming into industries where小心 it can also generate experiences where you're such

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discussions through

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

you

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Yes, although obviously it's still a little hard to hear, but being able to offtake heat from something that you already do.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

So you can compact them down, it's something we've looked at but never fully developed.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

The main thing about finding an effective machine, pelleting and briqueting machine which is cost effective and briquettes

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and hopefully get people to use an alternative to obviously the capacity.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Do we use enough sawdust to put together enough?

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

So then obviously it's about scaling up and plantations that produce the same kind of sawdust that can be used.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

And then it's about sensitizing the market too.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

This is something that they can buy, it's cleaner, it burns cleaner.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Basically just as cheap and or cheaply, just as effective as you see.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

And if you had some success here, people try it and then they just go back to charcoal.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

You know, say in the production of biochar, which in itself is obviously capturing the carbon and not released.

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So even there is attached to that, which you can actually generate some gas.

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So you can generate electricity from the same process from the heat, which is produced, produces a sort of biogas production,

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

which can then be used in as well.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

So direct sale, which we already have several bags, finding obviously excess sawdust.

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So we're having to stack this and pile it in many places or in the worst case scenario,

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

obviously burn it off because it's simply just sort of considering waste material, which is producing.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

You did.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

Do you like to, do you have any questions?

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

This is obviously one of the production waste I think is great here myself.

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

And like I said, the biochar and the biochem that I'm producing.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

So I'll see you soon.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

I'll see you next time.

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

uh sort of pyrolysis machines um because again it captures the carbon so it can be carbon credit

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

certified so you can get um you know sort of investment funding from producing carbon high

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

quality carbon credits because it's traceable because you're using fse um sawdust and timber

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

so there's that um and then the value of the the the actual biochart in the end can be used in

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

agricultural forests processes so it's a great value and the off you know the heat the gas which

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is um produced there you can then make other things so that is definitely a big area and that as well so

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

that could be a great project to sort of artisanal producers of its small scale and obviously they're

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

just using any biomass not necessarily just or timber and sawdust so what about other materials

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

that we use for um furniture like polish and is there any plastic huge or other things

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

yeah i mean you'd have to see obviously we supply what we can you know with access to our typical

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market for more high quality um glues and stains and sanding sealer and sprays is obviously the

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

south african market um if obviously there is stuff you know which is more friendly chemicals and

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

you can have timbered it you know because currently is obviously a pesticide so it's a it's a dangerous

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

chemical that you're using and then you have to handle that and dispose of it properly it's

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

like i said eco-friendly products that we could use effective way that we can package our products

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

and reduce some scratching and transport we need to consider so overall in your company like

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

where goes most of the money for raw materials for salary or other expenses

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

and the reason is that we obviously sell operational costs obviously then there's things like the cost

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

of diesel to run the generator um you know that it is much higher than our normal um mainline uh costs

43:36

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

from if we just had main electricity um i think on the costing of that was different sort of

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

to basically paying four thousand quatcha every few days to run the generator on diesel

43:49

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

and obviously relying on there being access to diesel and any price changes in that as well

43:57

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

okay yeah ideas is there something that you think we should investigate a little bit more

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

use of sodass and production voices you know first and second you that sort of

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

digitized digitization for rp system you know something which can help trace and track production

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

losses and efficiencies and obviously gives that um some traceability again and

44:45

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

um transparency for production you know because it obviously can help us you know building water

44:53

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

and produce things better and more efficient and also gives that

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S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

um traceability to consumers who want to know and you can tell the story and obviously to european

45:04

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

markets who require that information as well so i think that the last one and then as a mix of

45:10

S… Speaker 4 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

the first two and if that makes sense yes it makes sense what is your opportunity to make

45:21

S… Speaker 4 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

investments in the future but you think of course everything needs need some investments

45:32

S… Speaker 4 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

so you have opportunities to put money in those things also absolutely um obviously here we

45:39

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

we're always looking at new potential grant funding or co-financing um which can come through a lot of

45:45

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

eu stuff at the moment there's a project called green green tech 4ce um which is a eu-run thing

45:54

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

here where if you have a project then you can potentially fund 50 of it as a sort of cost

45:59

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

sharing that's need to invest in ourselves you know through our own um capital and then there's

46:10

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

also potential obviously that you could then match that financing um to organizations such as the eu

46:16

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

so let's say the same bubble would put in its own financing of you know up to 250 000 dollars and

46:26

S… Speaker 3 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

then i think our meeting will end soon if we want to continue then we have to connect it again maybe

46:50

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

yeah that was going to do a lot just to try to squeeze into an hour or so schedule a second

47:01

S… Speaker 1 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

meeting even later in the week you guys way up like that's that's kind of related so

47:21

S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

thank you so much no worries thank you very much guys all the best and if you guys have any questions

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S… Speaker 2 (AUDIO-2025-11-24-12-12-37)

that be enough yeah thank you cheers have a nice day

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