Brian_Eimear_Interviw

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Do we have confirmation on A -levels in politics

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and sociology and are they coming on

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

stream?

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

absolutely.

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So planning is in place in terms of staffing and timetabling.

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Next year,

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in terms of the Year 12 cohort,

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we're looking at around about 110 students joining us in September.

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And even though the introduction of new subjects,

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they already have attracted a lot of interest in terms of our existing

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students, but also the students who are applying from outside.

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So,

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yeah, from September,

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we are enhancing the curriculum provision to include both sociology

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and politics.

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S… Speaker 5 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

OK,

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

and that's when they start,

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

right? OK, so that's it.

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Can you explain what is happening here?

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Okay. What is the status of the Westfield car project as we can see

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outside there?

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Are there plans for a follow -up in automotive engineering?

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

If so,

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which vehicles or alternative projects is being discussed?

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Has been agreed.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Just grab it.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah, hi,

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Gabby.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Hello.

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S… Speaker 4 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Oh,

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S… Speaker 4 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

sorry.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Perfect.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Thank you so much.

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S… Speaker 4 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Lovely.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So the project previously,

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in terms of the automated project,

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was a fixed -term project.

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Obviously for us it was celebrating SBS in terms of 2025.

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The introduced in terms of last year and actually

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launched at the beginning of this academic year was actually a wider...

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offering in terms of the whole school across all the different phases of primary phase and secondary

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in terms of actually our F1 in schools.

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So the automotive lab in terms of where the car was built is

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now actually a specialised F1 in schools lab which the students

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have been using from upper primary all the way up through to year 13.

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Now obviously unfortunately due to some of the restrictions at

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the end of term two,

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term three we haven't quite gone to

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the fruition of this yet in terms of local competition and the F1

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in schools competition.

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But actually the next step in terms of our next two

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to three year project is very much actually the F1 in schools with

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the different phases actually participating into school.

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within the region they're naturally hoping to hit Abu Dhabi as well.

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Okay so it's obviously affected all schools in the region yeah I've

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been traveling quite a few schools around different countries one specifically one also

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in Singapore they gave me this little thing I don't even know what

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it is it's like a little canister type thing and I had it in my backpack I

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was pulled over in security do you know the type I'm talking about it's

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like it was a key ring they gave me and they made it as a and

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My voice said,

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Mummy, you shouldn't be carrying that there.

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I don't know what it means.

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But anyhow, I was pulled over to the side on it.

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But so therefore,

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the UAE kids,

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would it be because of this year?

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and what's happened in the region,

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they're going to be a year behind the other kids worldwide in F1,

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S… Speaker 4 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

do you think?

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No, not at all, because everything is actually within a calendar year.

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So the teams actually come together,

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and then you have obviously different roles within that team.

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You've got your team managers,

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you've got your marketers,

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you've got your engineers,

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then you've got your racers as well.

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So it's always a very timeline project.

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So again,

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for us,

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this focus has been with the DT team,

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has been exploring aerodynamics.

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design um and actually just the making of so um for

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us not really in terms of it's not been a misprovision as such it's

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more that they've engaged together they've actually had to work together in terms of teams across

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the different year groups so in terms of the outcome the the impact we wanted to have it's

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still been there but obviously within the region there hasn't been as much

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as many opportunities in terms of between schools

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in terms of actually those local competitions so

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's not the fact they're behind.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's just a reality of what we've lived.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No problem.

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S… Speaker 4 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No worries.

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S… Speaker 5 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Okay.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Bless you.

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S… Speaker 4 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Thank you.

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You've got an amazing choice of BTECs.

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

What are the most popular?

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S… Speaker 3 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Are BTECs qualifications treated the same as

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valuable and prestigious as the A -levels?

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

very much so.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I think it's really important to highlight from the very beginning

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that it's a...

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It's a post -16 pathway.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's the language we need to be using here.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's a post -16 pathway.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's not an A -level pathway and then a BTEC pathway.

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We have a number of students who are actually on the A -level and BTEC in terms of

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actually a blended approach.

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And these students are applying to top universities,

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both in the UK and around the world.

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What it does provide is for some students,

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it provides a different assessment route.

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And again,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

that BTEC in terms of the assignment gives them a...

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chance to shine that possibly in an exam setting of a

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

fixed two and a half hours doesn't and actually what we're starting to

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see and has been over the last previous five to ten years is there is

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a shift in the parental perception and there's also a shift in

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terms of the admissions that are happening into

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these top tier universities in terms of Russell groups as well in the UK and

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I think that's really important because

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Again, it goes down to that old adage,

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if you're going to compare everybody by the same ruler type thing,

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which ruler are you choosing?

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Actually,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

the BTEC is a fabulous opportunity for students.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I was out last night with the parents and their daughter,

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and now she goes to Jess,

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and she's got a place already at Durham.

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But here,

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a parent had contacted me and asked,

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

who does,

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

what is it,

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level three?

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Nobody does it here.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Or do they?

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yes, we're level three.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So it's the one,

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two and three.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Level two and three.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So level two is the GCSE,

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is the...

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Year 10, year 11.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So all those qualifications,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

those age -appropriate qualifications are your level 2 qualifications.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

The level 3 is everything in terms of year 12 and year 13.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So they have the same equivalence.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Of three A -levels?

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

That one,

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

that's what I mean on BTEC.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Ah, okay.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah, one,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

two, three.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Double award,

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triple award.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Triple award, that's what I mean,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

yes. So you don't typically do triple award.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So normally,

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again, the same way,

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and there is a purpose behind it.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yes.

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Otherwise...

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Imagine we'll talk about A -level first of all,

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but then apply it in terms of the BTEC,

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because it does kind of make sense.

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When you're doing your three A -levels,

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you are doing three distinct subjects,

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and typically two will work in partnership,

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and then another two will work in partnership.

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So you might have a child,

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I'll pick my son,

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he's doing maths,

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chemistry, physics.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Well,

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the maths potentially takes him into finance.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

The maths and the physics takes him into engineering.

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So there's still options in terms of destination.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

If he was only doing...

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a narrower set well then he's having to make a decision at 15 16 that

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

is going to influence pathways at 18 19 yes

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and that could be quite limiting because actually you know we're talking about adolescence where opinions

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

can change daily let alone yeah over the course of two years so exactly the same

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with the btech as well it's um for if we have a student who is following

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a pure btech pathway typically uh we find

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that those students will do double award business

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because that's where their interests are and their potential destinations are going

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to be.

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But they also might do travel.

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They also might do the media.

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They might do the hospitality.

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And that actually would take them into a slightly different direction.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So it's more about the breadth as opposed to the fact that the...

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So I would kind of agree the fact not having the...

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the triple award,

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as it were, is probably a sensible decision,

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because otherwise you probably are getting a little bit too laser -focused too early in terms of career

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destination.

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So even for us,

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I think it's very sensible to go from the single and the doubles,

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and then the students can mix and match,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

and then also with the A -level as well.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Okay,

8:06

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

fair enough.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I was speaking to a young man this morning who's doing BTEC travel and geography.

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Now he's got his,

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has some assignment deadlines coming up with his BTEC travel.

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He's got his end of year exam coming up with his geography.

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And again,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

that's the interesting part of that is actually balancing the workload.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

He's been into a cycle of an assignment deadline plus an examination.

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Whereas actually,

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you know,

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so the challenges and the pressures are still very similar.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So again,

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this idea that the BTEC is a completely different route.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's not true.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

gosh, no.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

There's still deadlines.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

There's still crunch periods of the year.

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And boys being boys.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah.

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And,

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you know,

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and there's still...

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opportunities for them to to what they're doing you know they're still purpose is still impactful and

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

again the key part is it gets them onto future destinations and a

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

wider choice yeah yeah yeah and what was it can you

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

can you talk about talk me through the btech in sport and liverpool

9:07

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

how does this work what's

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happened

9:12

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

That was from Jonathan,

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

no?

9:14

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Okay,

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

okay.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

How does that work?

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

What sort of careers are people looking at who study

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sport?

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Again,

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we do actually have some of ours going into sports marketing.

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We do have some who are looking in terms of,

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they're combining it with science,

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so the physiotherapy route.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

We've actually got a young man who's very interested in going into sports agents in

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

terms of actually the...

9:42

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I've got two boys

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

that have been through all that.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

The other

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thing as well is we're currently working with a couple of external providers at the moment in

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terms of the locality.

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The guys who've kind of set their organisations up actually look back in terms of their

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career path and actually they have gone the BTEC route and they've now gone into business

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enterprise in terms of where their interest being the sports as it were,

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but they set up academies,

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multi -sport academies and everything else.

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So there's a wide range you can choose to go in terms of that direct

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route in terms of the sports focus.

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But actually it takes you into business,

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takes you into hospitality,

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takes you into event management.

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And again,

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it's the skills development as well,

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isn't it?

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In terms of managing the time,

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managing the resource analysis and everything else.

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So we always talk about a little bit that the jobs are

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changing and being created at a rate that it's very difficult to kind of

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keep up with.

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And that's absolutely fine.

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It doesn't replace the fact that you do need skills.

10:49

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You get a subject title when you finish a course.

10:54

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It's not really the content that's the award,

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as it were.

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It's the skills that you developed along and the application that you do is

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what really shows off what you've won from a qualification.

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Yeah,

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yeah.

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Why have you opted for an A -level in theatre and

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drama rather than a B -tech?

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Again,

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purely just based upon the staff and we've actually got the student interests,

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it's one of the things that we've always kind of prided ourselves on is the student

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voice aspect in the school.

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We do kind of believe we're working in partnership with the students at the school.

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So when we actually have introduced new courses,

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we've always kind of have the breadth of options.

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So if you do take the sports,

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for instance, we were looking at both GCSE and BTEC in the first instance.

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We actually ran that both at the same time due to the interests and the strengths

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of different students.

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And when we were looking in terms of the post -16 courses,

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in terms of where the interests and the strengths of the students were,

11:51

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it was more...

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focus onto direct A levels in terms of music and direct A level in terms of drama,

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as opposed to a combined BTEC performing arts.

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So that was a driving decision that was very much our cohort and

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ensuring we meet their needs.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I just always remember having conversations with Samir and he says,

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you know,

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will do anything for any child even if it's one one kid in the class things

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have changed obviously since those conversations way back in the day maybe it is still

12:18

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the same but just one of the questions how many kids would you

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you know just start an a level or a b tech would you sort of like

12:26

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to i'm very happy to give you a real example so i'm a teaching

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principal i love teaching it's uh the highlight of my week is when i get

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to spend time in the classroom

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Geography.

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I'm a geography specialist.

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If you ask me first,

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I'm a geography teacher.

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That's where my passions lie.

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Based upon actually the way the option blocks went this year in terms

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of year 12 is because the combinations of the students choosing

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geography and maths and science is actually I ran a year

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12 geography group this year with two.

12:57

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

There you go.

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Well, that's some years.

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That's him.

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So that's the right course and the pathway for those children.

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Now, the benefit is what we've been able to do this year as they're going into year 13

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is we've actually just jigsawed the year 13 curriculum slightly differently.

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So those two are actually now going to join the other groups.

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There's going to be a group of 13 students in year 13.

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I'm looking forward to that.

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I'll be teaching those guys in year 13 in terms of the unit four of the geography course.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Oh, OK.

13:24

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And that's purely that was a strategic decision for that course,

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purely because actually the unit four.

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is so thematic that if you can get groups of students who are looking at different

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points of arguments,

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it really allows you to explore geography to a deeper depth.

13:40

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So we will run further maths,

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you know,

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occasionally we might have one student where they might start

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with a few and then actually as they continue,

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because it's typically a fourth,

13:52

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they might choose to opt out.

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Drama.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's very difficult to do with one.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know, we'd like three or four in terms of that as a cohort size to be there.

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But again,

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if it's the right thing for the child and the experience is going to be valuable,

14:06

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

why would you not do it?

14:07

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

We always build our timetabling,

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our staffing, our curriculum model is to actually offer everything we offer.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know, it's not the point we get to August and say,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

OK, you know,

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we've offered 24.

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We're only actually going to run 20.

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That's not it.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know, we are very lucky.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You mentioned Samir's ethos.

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That's what it is.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah. It's the right thing to do.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Absolutely.

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We're very fortunate here in terms of our resourcing,

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our staffing,

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you know,

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to be able to support that where we can say to students,

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you know, as you go from the primary to the secondary school is every course

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that you've had exposure to.

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You can take that all the way through to year 13.

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And I think that's really valuable to do because you don't want to spark

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an interest and a passion within a student and then go,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

oh, you can do that to year 11.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

But now we need to shoehorn something else actually in.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

There's a direct linkage to everything they do in the lower school they can take all

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the way through.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

level three qualification okay now we're going to talk about now

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that your principal first year done right okay congratulations absolutely

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um has leadership of um sbs

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delivered all that you hoped it would

15:16

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Well, it's an interesting question because it kind of alludes to the fact that I

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had an idea of exactly what it was going to be.

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Actually,

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on reflection,

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the amount of learning that I've done during the course of the year I think has been significant.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

One of the things I've really appreciated in terms of the

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role is the fact that the focus widens.

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You're now looking at the whole school.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I was very fortunate in terms of...

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Being the head of secondary here beforehand,

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you know,

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I had that exposure and that drive and the privilege to kind

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of leave the secondary school.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And now that encompasses foundation,

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primary and secondary.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And I think the bit I've really...

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really enjoyed is increasing the breadth

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of the staff I get to interact with on a daily,

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weekly basis.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And we're just so fortunate.

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We've got some very,

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very talented people in this building.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And I really enjoy spending that time with those guys.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's from the accounts team,

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the operations team,

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the site team,

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security teams.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

The breadth have probably

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not caught me out,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

but it's...

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It's a great job.

16:25

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know,

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every day is different.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Every day is different in terms of teaching.

16:29

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

There's no doubt about that.

16:30

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

But in terms of the principalship,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

it's multi -hatted.

16:34

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So this year,

16:35

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

OK, now moving on to your second year and what we've just been through in the past

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

100 days.

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

100 days today,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

isn't it?

16:43

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah, that's what they said today.

16:44

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

That's what I heard on the radio coming down.

16:48

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know,

16:49

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

what about staff leaving,

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staying,

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S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

retention?

16:53

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

How are you doing?

16:54

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah, we're doing very well.

16:55

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's the,

16:56

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

we're an interesting time of the year.

16:58

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

We keep saying it's the final first because it's the first

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year 13 cohort through.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

So we had our final first in terms of two weeks ago with our

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year 13 graduation because that's the last,

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you know,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

it's our first year 13 graduation.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

We've got only one left.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

which is the results day in august that's the first year 13

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

and then everything else now is actually building uh sustaining and

17:25

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

actually you know that incremental increases that's the challenge now and

17:29

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

it is a kind of it is a slight change of focus when you're building something first of all it

17:34

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

is a slightly different mindset it's a slightly different process of your planning

17:38

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

of your coordination and what you're doing with your teams versus

17:43

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And now we have a fantastic point in terms of,

17:46

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

you know,

17:47

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

you've been to school a number of times,

17:48

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

you've seen how the school has grown in terms of facilities,

17:50

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

resources.

17:51

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Exactly.

17:53

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

From when ground was broken initially,

17:55

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we've now hit maturation.

17:56

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It's,

17:57

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

you know, it's the,

17:58

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

we're at a point where...

18:00

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Actually, staff,

18:01

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

to some extent, they can go away in June and come back in August,

18:03

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

and there isn't a new building.

18:04

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No, absolutely.

18:06

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You've maxed it out.

18:07

S… Speaker 2 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

No, you definitely have.

18:08

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

And it's settled,

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and the corridors are settled.

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Obviously,

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it always takes a while,

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but it's now feeling really lived in,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

and your different corridors now feel like those zones of the school,

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

because the teachers have...

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you know, they've lived in it,

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they've actually built it,

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they've got the shape,

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they've got their ethos,

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the corridors actually,

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you know, they're alive.

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When you go to the innovation area,

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you know you're there.

18:31

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know when you go to the land,

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you know you're there.

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S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Whereas when you walk into an initial building...

18:37

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It just smells of paint.

18:38

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yeah.

18:39

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know, it's a change.

18:41

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So it's,

18:42

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yeah,

18:43

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

I'm very much looking forward in terms of the next academic year.

18:46

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

We have to accept the fact that there has been an increased

18:50

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uncertainty.

18:51

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know, you mentioned the 100 days.

18:52

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Yes, there has been.

18:53

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And I think for us in terms of adults,

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especially in terms of teaching,

19:00

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the importance of maintaining stability for the children.

19:03

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

It also means it does kind of increase the burden on teaching as well.

19:07

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

You know, there's no doubt online teaching does require a degree more planning

19:11

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and a degree more thought than in -class teaching.

19:14

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It does, especially in ensuring that,

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you know, you're meeting all the needs of the different children and maintain the progress.

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And that,

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you know, we have to accept that that can be attritional.

19:25

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So the staff well -being has been a real priority.

19:28

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

Of course.

19:28

S… Speaker 1 (Brian_Eimear_Interviw)

We have,

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