The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla

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Okay, so picture this.
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You are standing right next to a vine that produces,
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I mean, arguably a flavor so incredibly complex,
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it actually contains over 200 distinct,
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highly volatile chemical compounds.
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Oh, at least 200.
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Yeah, right.
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And it's the product of this intense,
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month -long cellular transformation.
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It requires literally thousands of hours of painstaking
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manual labor just to cultivate it.
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Hand labor,
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mostly.
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Exactly.
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And it triggers this wild global market that,
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you know, regularly sees this plant's fruit priced higher than solid silver.
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Which is just crazy to think about.
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It is.
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Yet, ironically,
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if someone looks at you and calls you vanilla,
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they are insulting you.
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Right.
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They're calling you boring.
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Completely, utterly boring.
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So how on earth did the most expensive,
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crime -ridden,
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chemically intricate plant in your greenhouse become completely synonymous
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with the word plain?
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Well, it is arguably the greatest paradox in the whole culinary world.
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But to answer that,
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we really have to pull back the layers of a story that is vastly more
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complicated than what you'd see on a typical botanical placard.
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Which brings me to you,
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the listener.
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Because right now...
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you are probably getting ready for your volunteer shift,
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right? Yep, getting ready to head in.
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You are likely heading over to the Dorothy Chapman Fuku Conservatory at the Atlanta Botanical
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Garden. And you're going to be stationed in that thick,
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humid,
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you know,
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tropical greenhouse air.
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Right next to the actual vine.
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Standing right beside the vanilla plantifolia vine,
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gearing up to talk to the visitors today.
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So our mission with this Deep Dives is to arm you with the
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actual reality behind that plant.
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Yeah, we are totally leaving the basic surface level facts behind today.
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We really are.
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We're jumping into a global saga that involves ancient Mesoamerican mythology,
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enslaved child innovators,
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volatile cartels and molecular neuroscience.
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And we are pulling from a massive stack of sources today that basically
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trace this plant's journey from the Aztec Empire all the way to modern
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like Norwegian wood pulp factory.
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Wood pulp.
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I still can't get over that part.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah, I know.
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It's wild.
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But we are going to look at the severe evolutionary flaws of the plant itself
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and how humanity's obsession with its scent literally reshaped global
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agriculture.
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OK, let's unpack this supposed boring reputation first,
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because this is where the science just instantly shatters our modern preconceptions.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Oh, right out of the gate.
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Yeah, because when I look at that green vine in the conservatory,
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I am fully expecting it to smell like a bakery.
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But the sources are very clear,
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like that living green plant has absolutely no
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vanilla flavor.
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None whatsoever.
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I mean, if you were to pluck a fresh,
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mature green vanilla pod right off that vine in Atlanta and just snap it in
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half under your nose,
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you would smell essentially nothing.
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Wait, really?
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Nothing at all.
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Maybe a faint kind of grassy green bean scent,
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but that's it.
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The flavor of vanilla is basically a ghost in the living plant.
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It does not exist until the plant's tissues are systematically broken down
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and traumatized.
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Okay, hold on.
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That makes absolutely no evolutionary sense.
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I mean, think about biology 101,
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right?
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Right.
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Plants create sweet,
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fragrant fruits specifically to attract animals.
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That's the standard model,
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yeah. An animal eats the fruit,
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wanders off,
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and poops out the seeds,
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spreading the plant's genetics.
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Why would a plant expend all that energy to grow a fruit that
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tastes and smells like literally nothing?
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Well,
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because the plant isn't actually trying to attract animals to eat its fruit.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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In the dense,
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hyper -competitive jungles of its native Mesoamerica,
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the vanilla orchid is actually trying to protect its seeds from being destroyed
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by fungal infections or,
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you know, aggressive herbivores.
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Because hiding?
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Exactly.
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It developed this brilliant defense mechanism.
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It takes the core aromatic molecule which we call vanillin and it physically
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locks it inside a microscopic chemical cage.
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A chemical cage.
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Like, how does a plant build a cage?
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Using sugar,
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actually.
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I mean, sugar.
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Yeah, the plant binds the vanillin molecule to a sugar molecule,
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and that creates a new,
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completely flavorless,
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odorless compound called glucovanillin.
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Ooh.
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So as long as the vanillin is attached to that sugar,
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it is biologically inert.
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It is just sitting there,
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completely undetectable to any passing animal or insect.
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Okay, so if the flavor is locked in a sugar cage,
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how does it ever get out?
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Because, you know,
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obviously we figured out how to taste it.
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Right.
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And this is where we get into the really elegant cellular chemistry of the curing
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process.
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Because inside the cells of that green pod,
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right alongside that locked up glucovanillin,
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the plant also manufactures a specific enzyme.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Okay, what kind of enzyme?
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It's called beta -glucosidase.
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Now, you can think of an enzyme as like a biological catalyst.
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Right, like a little machine.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Exactly.
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A tiny,
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highly specialized molecular machine designed to trigger a
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specific chemical reaction.
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But here is the massive catch.
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In the living,
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healthy plant,
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the glucovanillin and the beta -glucosidase enzyme
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are kept strictly separated.
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Like in different rooms.
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In different compartments of the plant's actual cells,
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
yeah. Ah, I see.
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So they're like two highly reactive chemicals just kept in separate vats.
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They're totally safe as long as the cell walls remain intact.
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Precisely.
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They only mix when the cellular structure is actually damaged.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Oh, so something attacks it.
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Right.
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In nature,
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if a fungus attacks the pod or some insect bites into it,
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those cellular walls break.
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The enzyme rushes in,
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meets the glucovanillin,
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and basically acts like a microscopic lockpick.
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Snapping the cage open.
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Yes.
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It snips off the sugar molecule.
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And the very moment that sugar is removed,
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pure,
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highly toxic vanillin is rapidly released to kill the
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invading fungus or repel the insect.
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Wait.
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Toxic.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Well, to fungi and insects,
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yes.
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It is a chemical weapon deployed strictly on demand.
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That is wild.
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So the most beloved flavor on Earth is actually just a deployed
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antifungal defense mechanism.
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Pretty much.
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So when farmers are harvesting vanilla to make...
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you know, the ice cream,
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they're essentially hijacking this defense system.
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Exactly.
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They have to artificially trigger that chemical reaction,
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but they have to do it with just agonizing precision.
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You can't just smash the beans on a table.
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Right, because then it would just rot,
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probably.
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Exactly.
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You have to guide the decay.
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And this is called the curing process,
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and it literally takes months.
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First, the farmers have to,
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quote unquote, kill the green pod to stop its vegetative growth and break down
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those internal cellular walls we talked about.
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How do they kill it?
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Traditionally,
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this is done by plunging the green beans into scalding hot water for just
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a few minutes.
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So they shock the system,
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the walls collapse,
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the enzyme meets the locked up flavor,
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and the reaction begins.
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Yes,
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but the reaction needs time and heat to fully develop.
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So after that hot water bath,
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the beans are wrapped tightly in wool blankets and packed into these wooden boxes
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to sweat.
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Sweat?
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Like, for how long?
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For a couple of days initially.
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The high humidity and trapped heat act like an incubator,
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accelerating the enzymes work.
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Okay, that sounds intense.
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It is.
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And then over the next several months,
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the beans are taken out to bake in the hot tropical sun during the day and then packed
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back into the sweaty boxes at night.
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Day after day.
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Day after day.
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Slowly, the pod shrinks,
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it turns from green to that deep dark brown we all recognize,
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and that enzyme steadily snips away the sugar cages,
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releasing the vanillin.
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But the vanillin isn't the only thing in there,
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right?
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Because earlier you said there were over 200 compounds.
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If the enzyme is just releasing vanillin,
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where do all the other flavors come from?
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Oh, they come from the controlled fermentation and oxidation that's happening
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during all those months of sun drying and boxing.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Oh,
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so the bean is basically cooking itself in the sun.
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Essentially, yeah.
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While the vanillin is becoming the dominant note.
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The complex fats,
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the amino acids,
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and the remaining sugars in the pod are breaking down into a vast array of
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other volatile organic compounds.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Like what kind of compounds?
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Well, you get eugenol,
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which adds a spicy,
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almost clove -like note.
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You get piperonal,
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which brings this floral,
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kind of cherry -like sweetness.
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Wow.
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There are hints of leather,
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earth, rum,
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and even smoke.
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So calling this boring...
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is literally like looking at a massive 200 -piece symphony orchestra.
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You know,
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you've got the strings,
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the heavy brass,
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the delicate woodwinds,
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all playing in perfect harmony and calling it elevator music.
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That is a phenomenal way to put it,
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honestly, because the depth of real,
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traditionally cured vanilla is just staggering.
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It really sounds like it.
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In fact,
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if the curing process is executed flawlessly like,
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if the sweating and drawing are perfectly timed,
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the concentration of vanillin becomes so intense that the pure molecule
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is physically pushed out through the pores of the bean's skin.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Wait, it pushes out of the bean?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah. It hits the air and crystallizes.
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It forms this breathtaking,
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sparkling white frost on the outside of the dark,
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wrinkled pod.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
No way.
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Yeah, the French actually call it...
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which translates to frost.
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So if you ever hold a vanilla bean that looks like it has been dusted with tiny
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sparkling diamonds,
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you are literally looking at pure crystallized flavor pushing
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its way into the world.
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A frosted symphony of 200 molecules.
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That is amazing.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah.
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That is what you,
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the volunteer,
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are looking at in the conservatory.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Exactly.
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But okay, let's take a step back here.
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I understand the intense labor of the curing process now,
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but that happens after the harvest.
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The sources indicate that the real nightmare,
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the reason this plant is such a chaotic force in global agriculture,
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happens long before a pot ever forms.
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It is about the flower itself.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yes, absolutely.
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To understand why vanilla dictates entire economies,
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you really have to look at its fundamental botany.
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Okay, let's get into the botany.
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And the first thing you have to grasp is just the sheer scale of the orchid family.
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Which is huge,
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right? A behemoth.
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The orchid family,
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orchideshi,
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contains over 25 ,000 recognized species.
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25 ,000?
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah.
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And they have a...
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But the sources highlight one incredibly specific statistic
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about the vanilla planifolia vine you were standing next to.
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Out of all those thousands of species across the entire globe,
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this is the only orchid cultivated for an edible commercial fruit.
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The only one.
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One out of 25 ,000.
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And when you look at how insanely difficult it is to grow,
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you really start to understand why it stands alone.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah, the plant seems to actively resist reproduction.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
It really does.
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Let's look at the flower itself.
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It is large.
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quite beautiful,
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and it's a pale greenish yellow.
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Right.
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It's not the deep,
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dark black color people might assume based on the cured pods.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
No,
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not at all.
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But the cruel joke of this flower is its lifespan.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Ooh,
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the blooming window.
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I read about this.
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It's brutal.
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The vanilla flower opens for exactly one single day.
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One day.
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In reality,
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the optimal window for pollination is often just a matter of hours in the very
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early morning.
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As the afternoon heat sets in,
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the flower just begins to close.
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And if it doesn't get pollinated.
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If it hasn't been pollinated within that microscopic window of time,
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the flower simply wilts,
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dies,
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and drops off the vine to the jungle floor.
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Just like that.
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Yep.
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There is no second bloom,
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no second chance.
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If you miss the morning,
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you lose the pod,
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which means you lose the vanilla.
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But wait.
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Flowers pollinate themselves all the time.
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Or they let the wind glow the pollen around.
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Why is the vanilla flower so exceptionally bad at reproducing?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
It's a great question.
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Why is it on this crazy ticking clock with no backup plan?
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Well,
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because it evolved a highly specific anatomical barrier to actively
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prevent self -pollination.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Why, it stops itself from reproducing.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yes.
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Evolutionary biologists believe this was a strategy to force cross
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-pollination.
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I mean, if a plant fertilizes itself,
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it basically creates a clone which completely limits genetic diversity.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Oh, so it's trying to stay healthy as a species.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Exactly.
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By forcing an insect to carry pollen to a different flower,
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the plant mixes its genetics,
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making the whole species more resilient to disease.
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So over millions of years,
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the vanilla orchid developed a physical shield inside its flower.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Okay,
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lay out the anatomy for me here.
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How does this shield actually work?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Okay, picture this.
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Deep inside the throat of the flower,
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you have the male organ,
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the anther,
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which produces and holds the pollen.
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Right, the anther.
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And right below it is the female organ,
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the stigma, which is this sticky receptacle that needs to receive the pollen to
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trigger the growth of the fruit.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Okay, simple enough.
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But nestled directly between the anther and the stigma is a thin,
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completely impermeable flap of tissue,
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a membrane.
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Botanists call it the rustellum.
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The rostellum.
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Let's make sure we define that clearly.
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So it acts like a closed door between the pollen and the stigma.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Exactly like a locked door.
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Because of the rostellum,
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the pollen can literally sit millimeters away from the stigma.
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But gravity or wind can never push them together.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Wow, that's frustrating.
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The plant cannot fertilize itself under any circumstances.
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It requires an external force.
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Something has to enter the flower.
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physically lift that rostellum flap up and out of the way,
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and then smash the pollen from the anther down onto the sticky
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stigma.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Which brings us to a massive point that you...
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the volunteer,
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are definitely going to encounter.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Oh, they hear this all the time.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah.
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If you read almost any popular history book on vanilla,
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or watch a food documentary,
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or even read some older botanical garden placards,
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you will hear a very specific,
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confident story about how this flower gets pollinated in the wild.
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Right.
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You will hear about a tiny,
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stingless insect called the meloponibi.
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Let's explore.
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explicitly set the record straight right now.
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Yeah. The story of the Melipona bee being the magical exclusive pollinator of
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vanilla is a myth.
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Let me repeat,
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that is a myth.
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It is a pervasive,
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deeply entrenched myth,
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and it is vital that we explicitly correct it.
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Where did it even come from?
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This narrative has been repeated as gospel since the 1830s.
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It was heavily promoted by a Belgian botanist named Charles
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Morin.
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He was desperately trying to explain why the vanilla vines growing in European
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greenhouses were completely sterile.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Right.
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Because they were taking them out of Mexico.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Exactly.
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So he confidently proclaimed that only this specific stingless
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melopona bee,
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native only to Mexico,
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knew the secret architectural layout of the flower,
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and therefore vanilla could never ever fruit naturally outside of
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its home region.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
But I'm assuming modern entomologists have actually bothered to watch the bees
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in Mexico.
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They have.
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And the modern science completely unravels Morin's claim.
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I mean, the simple physics of the interaction just don't work.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
What do you mean?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
The melopona bee is a very small insect.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
When researchers set up cameras and observe stingless melopona bees visiting
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wild vanilla flowers,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
they see that the bees are just too tiny.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Oh, they literally can't reach it.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
They lack the physical mass and leverage required to push past the flower's lip,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
lift...
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
that stiff rostellum membrane and transfer the pollen.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
They crawl around,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
they might collect some nectar,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
but they are absolutely not reliably contacting the sexual organs.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Okay, so is it in this legendary little stingless bee who's actually
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
doing the heavy lifting in the wild?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Current entomological research points heavily toward orchid bees,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
specifically from the euglossine tribe.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Euglossine,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
yeah. These are much larger,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
stronger bees,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
often a...
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
brilliant metallic green or blue color,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
they actually have the physical bulk to pry the flower open and bypass
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
the rostellum.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
So they just muzzle their way in?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Pretty much.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
But here is the truly shocking part.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Even with the larger orchid bees present in the ecosystem,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
natural pollination is incredibly,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
almost disastrously rare.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Really?
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
How rare are we talking?
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
We have concrete data on this.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
There was a major field study published in PLOS 1 just recently
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
in July of 2024.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Brand new data.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Yeah, conducted right in the Yucatan region of Mexico,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
the plant's native heartland,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
and it revealed some startling numbers.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
The researchers carefully monitored wild vanilla plantifolia populations.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
They found that the natural fruit set sow,
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the percentage of flowers that successfully turned into pods without human help,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
was around 5%.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Wait, 5 %?
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
That is an abysmal success rate for a species just trying to survive.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
It gets worse.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Even when the researchers intervened and artificially introduced massive colonies
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
of melopona bees to the area and deployed chemical pheromone lures to attract
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
swarms of the larger orchid bees,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
the pollination rate barely budged.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
You're kidding.
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Nope. The insects showed up,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
they visited the flowers,
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
but they just didn't consistently do the specific mechanical job required to lift
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S… Speaker 2 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
the rostellum.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
Okay, this brings up a massive logical gap.
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
If natural pollination in its native habitat is sitting at a 5 % success rate
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
and the famous dedicated Melopona bee is a total myth,
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S… Speaker 1 (The_High_Stakes_of_Plain_Vanilla)
how did this plant survive?

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