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S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Good morning everyone.
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I'm going to hear it,
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I hope, because I have a great message before I begin.
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I think that we have a very happy happy birthday.
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Go.
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What an agenda is,
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are there any comments about the previous conversation?
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I see in the chat...
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Alleen proficiats,
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they may even come.
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Voilà.
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So I'm going for the rest of it not.
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Then we go to Actua.
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It's a dossier that has already made progress.
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So it's going to go over a lot of diverse decisions
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around the DGC,
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the Diensten Control and Evaluatie,
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the Diensten Control and Evaluatie.
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And therein was an article 67 that gave a
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lot of advice to a lot of advice.
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Because what does men in that article?
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Men gaat de intermutualistische agentschap.
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Gaat men de mogelijkheid geven om van een zorgver...
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S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Thank you
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very much.
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And that information may be shared with the organizations,
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with the mutualities.
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So that's in an initial function that mutualities have.
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That is outliers going to detect.
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That's completely according to the vision that we have around the search for fraud.
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But the problem that there is in
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the form giving,
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both in the memorization of the legislation as in the law itself,
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That is that the insurance agencies, in this case,
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When they find it necessary,
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they can give a certain degree of a specific authority to the
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DGC.
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So they will actually give a decision to the mutualite,
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which they don't have today.
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And that is,
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against the vision of our party,
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that is a dangerous,
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a threat that is in
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the WET -export.
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We have then,
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minister Van den Broek,
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an amendment in which we asked very clearly to show
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that the suspension of the inbreuk
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but also to know the administrative parties and to know the
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score of the Third Betalers Regal,
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that that only via the DGC,
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so via that organ of the RISF,
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would be possible.
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The minister said that that is the goal.
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He didn't want it to go forward because it
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would be a wafelizer -political.
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I had all the other Arizona parties left off,
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they were all akkoord with the amendment,
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but he didn't pay attention to it.
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What he has done is that he has done in the committee,
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in the committee,
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our amendment.
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I have not seen it yet,
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so I don't know if that is in the letter of it.
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That is very important that we always have to go back to.
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He has the value of the value,
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but of course, the value of the value,
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the value of the value,
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so long there is no other circulaire.
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So that is...
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It's always a bit difficult.
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Now what is important in that dossier is that we have made upmerking about
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the Dienstevaluatie & Controle as
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from the RISIF as from the Arts & Syndicate.
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So it's not the Arts & Syndicate who had been here on the alarm bell,
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but also the Diensteval.
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Because they say that,
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since the mutualists now have a sort of decision -making,
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they would have to be under control of the DGC itself.
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So that is a break at transparency.
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Where are they now going to go?
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How are they going to do that?
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We will have to be alert.
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For us,
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it will be so that they can detect it,
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that they can do to give it to the DGC,
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and that there is a research to happen to the zorgers,
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such as we have in the Kaderwet.
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This is also in the memory of the toelichting.
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We have come between in December,
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so we have said that there is not to be noted that
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drempelwaarde should be spoken with the sector.
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But, and that is also again the villain in the state,
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actually, can minister Van den Broeke via a simple koninklijk besluit,
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the drempelwaarden will publish.
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Okay,
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we can come together with the government,
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but we have actually nothing to say.
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So what is the meaning of that we will do this again once again?
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that we as a party think that the DGC has a lot of inbreuk,
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an administrative,
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and eventuele schorsing,
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that it is very special that this dossier
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very late is coming to us,
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to the parliament.
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There is in the DGC very clearly
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work done,
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that is also genotuleerd,
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there is no doubt about it.
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The DGC is an official
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organ, so that is...
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Well, it's jammed that that's not in mind when it's been discussed,
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I think,
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in IKW.
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I don't know if it was the procedure for the IKW minister Van den Broecky to bring it back to
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the world.
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But there is still something wrong in the communication.
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That we also clearly stand in the drempelwaards,
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that we find that a good instrument to detect outliers,
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but not to go on the side of sanctions.
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And that we are going to prevent against the precepts,
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which could be drempelwaards.
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The need to be the opportunity
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to have the opportunity to have...
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...wanneer hij veel wil werken.
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En hij moet dat ook kunnen verklaren.
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Het is een niet -transparante constructie.
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Eigenlijk had men kunnen werken via intermedialistische tellers.
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Dan was dat veel transparanter geweest.
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En nu geeft men macht aan het IMA,
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waar wij toch wel een beetje bang voor zijn.
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S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Ja,
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dankjewel Kathleen.
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Ik zie Louis natuurlijk al.
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Louis.
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I don't know what Kathleen said,
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but that's all correct.
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We must be aware of that it's a two -fold problem.
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We gave more power than the ziekenfonds and gave the door
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open to drempelwaarden.
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The last one,
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I understand it,
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is the housekeeper of Nautilst.
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That's a bit of a symbol.
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And so from the brook grijpt that on,
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to do it in the entire sector.
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If you do that,
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note that please for the future.
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Then we're in the waiting list from here to Tokyo.
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In the short time.
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And the man is actually busy with
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health care.
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On a way that I think it
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will end like our work.
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And that we will say within five or ten years.
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What has he now done?
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And then we will be able to puin.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I want to still stand
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by the process.
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And that's not been said yet.
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I'm going to ask myself to ask that if things come up
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to the ICW,
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that it will be faster and pro -activer spoken with the parties,
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with the parliament.
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That they are at least at the high level,
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that it will be faster.
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If there is discussion about their zines,
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because the texts are sometimes sibylines,
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but at Van den Broeke must always paranoide be.
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And so if that's not very clear,
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must that then escalate into a partying or a political overview
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on DINSA.
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That's not happening.
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That's why the people from the TRIZIF,
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several people from the TRIZIF,
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have not understood that we were not in the
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beginning of the process.
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So there must be much more attention to it.
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And that's not only in the Volksgezondheit.
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I refer to it,
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Valerie, what you said a few weeks ago at the party.
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The lines must be shorter and
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open communication.
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And if there are problems,
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because,
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as I say,
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everything is clear -cut,
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or there is a certain point of a certain point of a
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certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point of a certain point.
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That's what I've said again.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Thank
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you, Louis.
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I see that Ismael has a comment in the chat.
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Are there any more people who ask the word?
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Not immediately,
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I see.
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Kathleen,
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I think that your conclusions are the right.
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I think well...
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It is not...
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It's not an order,
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but I just want to say that we don't always have to do that we don't have to be able to do that
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the organizations sometimes do.
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We need to keep there an evenwicht in keeping hold.
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Now, I want to tell you that you do,
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for all the確, Kathleen,
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in the conclusion,
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is it for me the juiste evenwicht.
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But I think that we have to do some of that we don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We don't have to do that for the arts.
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That's true.
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But there is a lot of money that we don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
That's true. But there is a lot of money that we don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
But there is a lot of money that
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we don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
There is a lot of money that we don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
But there is a lot of money that we don't have to do that.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Sorry, even a very rare moment.
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So,
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all right,
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that I just wanted to say.
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But in this I think that you have the right evenwicht.
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S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I don't know, Kathleen,
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if you ask yourself a word?
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Yes,
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correct.
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But the fact that it was both the Burbosvereniging as RISIV as
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DGC was,
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S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I think that was really hard.
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And two,
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Ismael,
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we have actually an evaluation in the Regier Accord of
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the DGC.
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So it's very special that that will be followed via Facon,
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S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because it would have been an external evaluation.
43:43
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So it's good that you say that I'm going to ask you a few more questions.
43:47
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Yeah,
43:53
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
that last, Louis,
43:53
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
that's what I'm going to do with.
43:54
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
That are things that we indeed need to discuss,
43:57
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
especially because we have the feeling...
43:59
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
... ... ... ... ... ...
44:22
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Super, thank you.
44:23
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Good morning everyone.
44:24
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
It goes here again over a single KB
44:28
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
from Van den Broeke,
44:29
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
but first a little bit about what the Nutri -score is and
44:34
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
what the idea is.
44:35
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
It is so that there is in October a brief that came from
44:39
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Comeos Test & Coop,
44:40
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
a few supermarkets,
44:41
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
based on Klarinval and Van den Broeke.
44:44
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
where they have asked for the Nutri -score to harmonize
44:49
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the European level and to make them also for the purpose.
44:51
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
The Nutri -score is the label that from 2019 our
44:55
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
land on a free basis on the packaging of products.
45:00
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
It's a label from A to E.
45:01
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And on basis of that brief,
45:04
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Van den Broeke has started on a single KB,
45:08
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
where he would have the obligation to put on the
45:13
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Nutri -score in reclame.
45:15
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
This is from 1 september 2027.
45:19
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
At the same time,
45:20
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
they were also engaged in the committee,
45:21
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
which was in January
45:26
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
of this year,
45:26
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
where they would go to a total obligation of the
45:30
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
label.
45:31
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We noticed that the different political parties,
45:33
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and also the majority parties,
45:35
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
there were still many questions.
45:36
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So there were organizations organized,
45:39
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and in the note I gave a short overview of those organizations.
45:46
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...toch a few thoughts.
45:47
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And that's what I wanted to tell you.
45:52
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Because we have at this moment...
45:53
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...not a real party point around...
45:56
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...replichting Nutri -score,
45:57
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
yes or no,
45:58
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
but a lot of critiques.
46:00
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
First and foremost,
46:02
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the Nutri -score...
46:03
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...we use a model that in our country...
46:06
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...in 2019 introduced in our country.
46:09
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
In the previous legislation made Mieke Klaas work from it,
46:12
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
to bring it up to Van den Broeke that the reken module was not 100
46:16
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
% correct.
46:17
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
In 2023,
46:19
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the product was affected.
46:20
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Thereby is 40 %
46:24
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
of the product that is used by Nutri -score aangepast.
46:27
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So what that was before a B -score had,
46:29
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
we didn't even get a C or D.
46:31
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And that gives us a little bit of a feeling about how far that
46:36
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
label, the Nutri -score,
46:37
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
is on point in 2026.
46:39
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
As that on seven years' time already so grondig is.
46:42
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We have in the hearing there also CNSAN over asked,
46:45
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and they couldn't give us any answer.
46:47
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We also have a
46:51
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
problem with efficiency.
46:52
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We believe that the inowners,
46:55
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
or that our population,
46:56
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
is not enough for how a label works.
46:59
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Because many people think that a product with a B -label would be a healthy choice,
47:04
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
but that's not the case.
47:05
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
It's a healthy choice within a product category.
47:08
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
What makes a pizza from Dr.
47:11
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Oetker, a restaurante pizza,
47:13
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
a B -label,
47:13
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and a little bit of a vette salm,
47:17
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
a C -label.
47:18
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We see a lot of people who think it's a better choice to
47:22
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
put a dikfries pizza in the oven than to make a little bit of verse fish.
47:28
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So, you need to press the button and then you need to press the button.
47:32
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Peter,
47:33
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
you are going to break in the conversation,
47:36
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
but you are a little old.
47:38
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
You have to press the audio button,
47:40
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Peter.
47:41
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Well,
47:44
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
it's boring. I'll talk about the conversation again.
47:46
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Please,
47:48
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
please.
47:49
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Sorry,
47:51
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Lotte, you can't turn it off.
47:52
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Okay, it's okay.
47:53
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Even the digital conversation.
47:56
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So, on the basis of efficiency,
47:58
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
is there also been on the law,
47:59
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
is that we can do that we in Belgium,
48:02
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the secondaire,
48:04
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry, the secondaire,
48:05
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry, the secondaire,
48:06
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
yeah, the secondaire, the secondaire, sorry, the secondaire, yeah, the secondaire, sorry, yeah, the secondaire, sorry, yeah,
48:07
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the secondaire, sorry, yeah, the secondaire,
48:08
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry,
48:08
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry,
48:10
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
48:12
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry, sorry,
48:12
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
48:13
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry,
48:15
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry,
48:17
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
sorry.
48:24
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Peter! Peter! Peter! Peter! Peter!
48:38
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Okay, let's do that again.
48:39
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
There are stemmen pro and contra,
48:43
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
according to the FOT Volksgezondheid Canada,
48:45
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because we have done that with the packaging of cigarettes.
48:47
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
But VVA is not the case,
48:50
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and that we can get back to it again.
48:54
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We have also the economic results.
48:56
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
That I have already said to Frida.
48:57
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
The VVA had in the discussion very
49:02
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
hard against the proposal.
49:03
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I spoke them later.
49:05
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And they went out of a negative impact on
49:10
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the economic side.
49:10
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
One,
49:11
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because there are import companies that can be removed if
49:15
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
there are too strong rules on the products that are not on
49:19
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Europe's level.
49:20
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
But another,
49:21
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because we create a problem.
49:24
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
nationals for small KMOs,
49:25
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
short ketens,
49:26
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
of small businesses,
49:29
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
which for the most of the time will be able to carry out.
49:32
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
All right,
49:34
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
that are all things where we must still stand.
49:38
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And then the last one,
49:38
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and I think it's very important,
49:40
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because I follow the FAVV also.
49:42
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
They give a look at the control
49:46
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
of them and that they don't have the people and the resources for them.
49:49
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So both of them,
49:50
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
as the catelier for the engagement,
49:51
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
give them a...
49:52
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
This project is a budget
49:58
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
-neutral project.
50:00
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
The AVV is very clear that this is not the case,
50:02
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because they have to do it for the control,
50:04
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and at this point,
50:05
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
they actually control the Nutri -score by not.
50:08
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
That's only about the last year,
50:10
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
where there were three.
50:11
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
If they now have to control pro -activity of the label on the
50:15
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
ticket, they can do it with the personnel that they now have,
50:19
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
but if they really need to control of the rekenmodule is correct,
50:22
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
they can not so far in go.
50:25
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So that means that we would introduce something in Belgrade.
50:29
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
that it can not be handled or controlled.
50:33
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So if we can conclude,
50:35
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I think with all the information that we have gathered,
50:38
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
that it's not a good idea to do goldplating.
50:41
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And that we're better at a harmonization on Europe's
50:45
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
level. That's why there's also in the Commission an advice to the European Commission.
50:50
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
But to go back to the comments of Kathleen as of Louis
50:54
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
daarnet, as Frank van den Broecken works on a single KB,
50:57
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
we can do very little.
51:00
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So we are now a little bit at it.
51:02
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I'm glad that I'm going to explain it,
51:05
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because it's not so simple what we need to do now.
51:09
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Maybe I have a question before I give Philippe the word,
51:12
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Lotte,
51:13
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
but it can be said that I was in the beginning right away.
51:14
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Is that a committee in the committee or
51:18
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
a committee? So,
51:19
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
it's the KB of Van den Broeke,
51:21
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the KB of the Nutri -score,
51:24
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
to be permitted in reclame.
51:26
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And it's also the Les Engagés,
51:28
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
a committee of the Nutri -score for all products
51:32
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
in our country.
51:33
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Okay.
51:36
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And so we have no idea,
51:37
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
that's where it's going to happen or something?
51:38
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
No, it's a KB,
51:39
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
so that's it.
51:40
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We had in the paasvacantie al act of a genomen,
51:44
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and then there was a press report from the N -VA,
51:47
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
which was created by Vlaams and federal,
51:50
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
on the way of the fact that Anne Hermans,
51:53
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
along with the cabinet of Van Achter,
51:56
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
has a given that that would be a big problem for Belgen to
52:00
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
be on the fact that you have the advertising on television,
52:05
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the classic advertising,
52:06
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
where the Nutri -score should be found.
52:09
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
But at the Big Tech platform is that not the case.
52:11
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
So we will have a shift.
52:12
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And we have federally also given that we have to have
52:16
S… Speaker 4 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
a lot of questions about the label itself.
52:18
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Okay.
52:19
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Okay.
52:20
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I'll go first,
52:21
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Philippe, and then a steal.
52:22
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Philippe?
52:22
S… Speaker 5 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Yeah,
52:23
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I'll follow you.
52:25
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Yeah, I follow the whole reason of Lotta.
52:28
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I think it's really strange.
52:29
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
As I've heard of Lotta,
52:30
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
there was a brief about it on Europe's
52:35
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
level. And it was used to say...
52:38
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We will go in België to go for it.
52:41
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I think that the effect of the consumption,
52:43
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the competition,
52:46
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
is enormous.
52:48
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Not to be able to understand.
52:49
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
If you put above that the formula in the question can be asked,
52:53
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I can also tell you that you can have juridical issues.
52:56
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Because if it is obligated and it is not 100
53:00
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
% dekkend.
53:01
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And I think the example of the Salon -Vexus,
53:04
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the pizza, it's also very exciting to say,
53:06
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
man knows there actually not much.
53:07
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Then I can only conclude that it must harmonize
53:12
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
on the European level and also the formula must be on the European level.
53:16
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
That's the only thing we can do as a holding.
53:20
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
And I think that it is also very important to call the
53:24
S… Speaker 3 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
government Frank van den Broeke a halt to.
53:29
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Yes, that will indeed be done.
53:31
S… Speaker 2 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Sieltje?
53:32
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
I've been working with Frank van den Broecken together,
53:35
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
because,
53:36
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
as Lotte has already said,
53:37
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
he's going to have the obligation on the reclame,
53:41
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
and only the classic reclame,
53:44
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
the newspaper and television.
53:47
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Of radio is er ook nog bij.
53:49
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Maar dus niet op de sociale media.
53:52
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
We zitten eigenlijk al vandaag met een enorm probleem dat
53:56
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
alle advertentieinkomsten naar het buitenland gaan.
53:59
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Naar de YouTubes en de Facebooks enzovoort.
54:01
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
En dus dat onze lokale reclame waarmee onze media gemaakt wordt enorm
54:06
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
afziet.
54:08
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...and that he will then natürlich...
54:10
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...versnellen,
54:12
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
verstevigen...
54:13
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...as he zo optreedt.
54:14
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
Now, in his new version of his KB...
54:17
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...will he the obligation also to put on social media...
54:21
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...so he doesn't make any difference between media...
54:24
S… Speaker 1 (PB 26-07-06 Opname PB)
...and then he says that it is closed...
54:26
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...he says that his diensts...
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...that they can control perfect...

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